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Did President Bush lie to the American People? Did our Intelligence Agencies fail us?
ME | 2/8/04 | mjy1288

Posted on 02/08/2004 7:58:19 PM PST by MJY1288

All you have to do is remove the willful distortions of the facts in the press lately and look at this whole thing realistically, I'll try to do so now

1. We know for a FACT that Saddam Hussein possessed and used both Chemical and Biological agents against his enemies and his own people. This is FACT

2. We know that he was trying to develop a Nuclear Weapon before Israel bombed their Reactor in the 1980's... FACT

3. We know that his Chemical Weapons development went undetected until after the Gulf War and undetected by Weapons Inspectors until his Son-in-Law defected and told us where they were being developed.... FACT

4. We know that after 6 years of obstruction, the U.N. Weapons inspectors could not find and destroy the WMD's Saddam himself declared he had, in 1998 the U.N. Inspectors left Iraq without destroying everything that Saddam still possessed....... FACT

5. We know that Saddam never verified the destruction of the unaccounted for WMD's he admitted having... FACT

6. We know that after 12 years of U.N. Sanctions and enforcing the No-Fly Zones, Saddam still never accounted for the WMD's he admitted having..... FACT

7. We know that after Saddam was overthrown, David Kay has reported that Saddam had "Many Clandestine Laboratories" that were in violation of U.N. Resolution 1441, and all of the other 16 U.N. Resolutions ......FACT

8. We know that Saddam was compensating the families of suicide bombers in Israel in the amount of 25,000.00 U.S. Dollars.... FACT

9. We know that after the Gulf War in 1991, we found out that Saddam was much closer to developing a Nuclear Weapon that we had estimated…. FACT

After all of this... we are supposed to believe that Saddam voluntarily destroyed his WMD's after we left Iraq in 1998? The only intelligent conclusion anyone with half a brain can come up with is that either we have yet to find them in Iraq, or Saddam had them moved to Syria, and since many in his Regime fled to Syria, my guess is that they are buried in Syria.

No President who respects the Oath he takes to defend this Country could ignore these facts in a post 9/11 world. It’s not like Iraq was some third world country that we had never had problems with before, in fact, we lost several hundred U.S. Soldiers in Operation Desert Storm and Saddam had agreed to terms of a cease fire that would allow him to remain in power.

After 12 years of violating every agreement he made after the Gulf War and as a Nation who expects the world to take us seriously, we needed to remove him for the sake of our fallen soldiers whose blood was used to sign that cease fire in 1991. For that reason alone, WE DID THE RIGHT THING.. Think about this...... :-)

Have you heard anything about Syria lately? any statements from the State Dept. or Defense Dept.? The answer is NO, Methinks, we are in the middle of serious negotiations with Syria as I type this. Much like the ones we were in with Libya before they capitulated. My question is... Where is Richard Armitage? he is the State Departments "Heavy Hand" and he is one hell of an asset to this country


TOPICS: War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bushlied; intelligence; waronterror; wmds
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To: xrp
That's right. Everyone on the left seems to miss that point.
We're at war and deception is part of war.
Imagine telling the Japanese that Doolittle was on the way!
Or being severely criticized for not alerting everyone to which island was to be hit next. Or divulging the Manhatten project, etc.
Or the enemy telling us the truth in anything.
41 posted on 02/08/2004 8:59:44 PM PST by chuckwalla
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To: dtom
President Bush and his team is playing Chess, the democrats are playing Checkers...

We have heard about President Bush being a great Poker Player, Well, as a poker player myself, a good poker player has the ability to convince his opponents that they should bet on their losing hand, right now, the RATS are betting on a losing hand. There is no sense in calling their hand at this point, President Bush needs to wait until they wager all their chips first :-)

42 posted on 02/08/2004 9:05:38 PM PST by MJY1288 (IF JOHN KERRY IS THE ANSWER, IT MUST BE A STUPID QUESTION)
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To: MJY1288
There is abslutely NO ambiguity here, Mike. I'd like any of the 4 or 5 dwarves left to be asked: knowing the intel (as Kerry certainly did) that Dubya received after 9/11 and that Klintoon received for years before, knowing the multiple resolutions and years the UN placated and wouldn't get off their freaking cowardly BUTTOCKEEES to face the threats ... what would THEY do. I'd SALIVATE to hear any of them asked that question, when the survival of our whole country is squarely on their shoulders.

As I've been saying on so many posts ... we know he had them, proof of their destruction has not been produced, he had many nefarious colleagues in other countries, AND Iraq is the size of California!!! In 8 months, every square inch, down maybe 30-40 ft. is able to be tracked with technology or searched? I DON'T think so. As I've been saying, the caveat we need to add to the statement of not finding WMD is .... YET.

Here's some corroboration to the Syria connection .. I'll bet you're right .. Armitage is not very public anyway .. ya couldn't miss the sweet lovable bear .. but we'll never know what Dubya's got going on behind the scenes until it's long passed. AND I like that ... he is a great poker player and outsmarts 'em all .. AND THEY NEVER LEARN!!! LOL .

Ex-inspector says Iraq sent 'lot of material'

Sun, January 25, 2004

(EXCERPT...)

WMD in Syria: Kay

Ex-inspector says Iraq sent 'lot of material'
By AP

LONDON -- David Kay, who recently resigned as leader of a U.S. weapons search team in Iraq, said part of captive president Saddam Hussein's weapons program was hidden in Syria, a report in Britain's Sunday Telegraph newspaper said today. Kay was reported to have said he had uncovered evidence unspecified materials were moved to Syria shortly before last year's U.S. invasion of Iraq.

"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons but we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD (weapons of mass destruction) program," Kay was reported saying in the interview conducted yesterday.

"Precisely what went to Syria and what has happened to it is a major issue that needs to be resolved," he added.

David Kay said Friday that Iraq had no stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons, and Secretary of State Colin Powell said yesterday it was an open question if they'd be found.

A senior U.S. official said yesterday Vice- President Dick Cheney, attending the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, believed "the jury's still out."

Speaking to reporters as he flew to today's inauguration of Georgian President-elect Mikhail Saakashvili, Powell said: The open question is how many stocks they had, if any, and if they had any, where did they go. And if they didn't have any, then why wasn't that known beforehand?"

Syria has denied pursuing weapons of mass destruction and said the long, porous border with Iraq makes it hard to stop infiltrators.

Last month, U.S. President George W. Bush approved the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act, which accuses Syria of hosting Palestinian militant groups, such as Hamas and Jihad, and seeking biological and chemical weapons.

43 posted on 02/08/2004 9:07:50 PM PST by STARWISE (Prayer is miraculous. Pray for those in need + please pray for our brave and vigilant military.)
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To: MJY1288
I think what happened here was pretty simple.

The United States made up its mind that Saddam Hussein was going to be toppled, and the U.S. was going to engage in some long-term nation-building in Iraq.

The rationale behind all that nonsense about WMDs was two-fold:

1. To convince conservatives in this country who are adamantly opposed to U.S. nation-building (much lilke George W. Bush was when he was a presidential candidate in 2000) that it isn't really "nation-building" if we can think up a good reason for it.

2. To secure public support among the same dopey soccer moms in this country who had been infatuated with Bill Clinton for most of the 1990s.

44 posted on 02/08/2004 9:08:31 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: MJY1288
My comments ... the media/press think the President says something and then they run with it .. when the fact is ... the President never said what the media/press is claiming

They have been doing this since President Bush took office

45 posted on 02/08/2004 9:12:54 PM PST by Mo1 (Speaking of Kerry, do we really want a president who injects poison into his skull?)
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To: chuckwalla
They didn't question clinton about any of the illegal invasions of actions he took. Kosovo was illegal. He didn't even talk to congress before attacking a country that was not even a threat to it's neighbors let alone us. He went past the war powers limit of 60 days without getting congressional approval.

Interesting points. Some of us may remember that a number of GOP Congressmen actually filed suit against the Clinton administration in that case, on the grounds that the War Powers Act had been violated.

The suit was thrown out of Federal court, and it's hard to argue with the judge's rationale. He basically said that Congress passed some kind of idiotic "we support the troops" legislation with regard to the troops in the Balkans, and he (the Federal judge) had no way of knowing (and no legal authority to determine) whether that kind of half-assed Congressional resolution amounted to a formal declaration of war.

46 posted on 02/08/2004 9:14:12 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: MJY1288
Your enumeration of the FACTS is quite impressive and clearly states what "SHOULD" be quite formidible proof that GW didn't LIE. However "FACTS" never got in the way of DEMOCRAT spin and their media sychophants.
47 posted on 02/08/2004 9:15:31 PM PST by PISANO (u)
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To: STARWISE
Thanks for that article, I hadn't seen that one before.

I personally feel that John Kerry will be beaten like a rented Mule this fall and all of President Bush's detractors on this subject will have more Egg on their faces than all the Scrambled Eggs that Denny's Breakfast Bar can serve in any given month :-)

48 posted on 02/08/2004 9:16:14 PM PST by MJY1288 (IF JOHN KERRY IS THE ANSWER, IT MUST BE A STUPID QUESTION)
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To: MJY1288
Quietly behind the scenes he has lead the fight against our enemies and has never taken credit for what he and his team has been able to accomplish since September 11th, 2001

This is so true. The dims are doing on a national scale, what Kennedy did to Nixon in the 1960 debate. He attacked Nixon and the Eisenhower adm. over the weapons advantage the Russians had, knowing full well it was false, but also knowing that Nixon could not respond because it was classified information. The dims also know full well the good things that are happening, and are ongoing, but know President Bush will unlike them, put the country first. This will be the dirtiest campaign in recent history, and things are just warming up.

If the people of this country elect Kerry, they will be electing a gigolo, that will do Klaus von Bulow proud.

49 posted on 02/08/2004 9:19:33 PM PST by woodyinscc
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To: Alberta's Child
I meant that the demrats didn't say anything.
Are you joking in post #44? Being sarcastic to prove a point?
50 posted on 02/08/2004 9:21:15 PM PST by chuckwalla
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To: MJY1288
If you look at the hole that saddam was found in, I’m guessing a similar hole could hold 2 to 3 tons of some kind of chemical agent or a hell of a lot of some kind of biological material, the RATS are definitely putting all their chips in the pot, if a stash of WMD is found it’s lights out for the RATS.
51 posted on 02/08/2004 9:23:34 PM PST by dtom
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To: MJY1288
Excellent post, and thanks for the ping!!
52 posted on 02/08/2004 9:24:16 PM PST by TejasRose
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To: woodyinscc
Ann Coulter's book "Treason" sheds lots of light on what you just posted. The Democrats have sided with our enemies for over 60 years. The fact is that they were infiltrated by the Communist and indoctrinated into Marxist beliefs
53 posted on 02/08/2004 9:24:39 PM PST by MJY1288 (IF JOHN KERRY IS THE ANSWER, IT MUST BE A STUPID QUESTION)
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To: chuckwalla
I'm absolutely serious. You may dispute either point, but I have a hard time believing that anyone in this administration or the CIA was "mistaken" about what exactly Saddam Hussein's WMD capabilities were.
54 posted on 02/08/2004 9:26:37 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: Alberta's Child
You ignore the decimation of intelligence capabilities under clinton and that Iraq was a very closed society.
Everyone in the world said emphatically that he had them.
But to think that Bush did it solely for nation building is ludicrous.
Can you remember as far back as september 11 2001?
You must be a democrat.
55 posted on 02/08/2004 9:31:54 PM PST by chuckwalla
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To: Alberta's Child
No I disagree, The WMD's that Saddam had were not nonsense, he had them and he produced them. Do you remember the Castor Beans that were uncovered in Iraq back in June or so? They were in canvas bags that were labeled "Fertilizer"

Sarine Gas is produced from Castor Beans and Castor Beans are never used as fertilizer. We can all believe their is some conspiracy going on here to pull the wool over our eyes, but I believe this Administration simply laid out the facts as they knew them to be, and in the end they will be vindicated

56 posted on 02/08/2004 9:33:54 PM PST by MJY1288 (IF JOHN KERRY IS THE ANSWER, IT MUST BE A STUPID QUESTION)
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To: STARWISE
I believe what Kay said was in reponse to a question that asked if Iraq had any LARGE stockpiles of WMD, to which he reponded, "No."

From there the press took "no LARGE stockpiles" to mean Iraq had no WMD at all.

57 posted on 02/08/2004 9:35:58 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: MJY1288
YIKES, I meant the Agent "Ricin" not "Sarine"
58 posted on 02/08/2004 9:36:17 PM PST by MJY1288 (IF JOHN KERRY IS THE ANSWER, IT MUST BE A STUPID QUESTION)
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To: Alberta's Child
Post #58 was meant for you :-)
59 posted on 02/08/2004 9:37:16 PM PST by MJY1288 (IF JOHN KERRY IS THE ANSWER, IT MUST BE A STUPID QUESTION)
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To: woodyinscc
He attacked Nixon and the Eisenhower adm. over the weapons advantage the Russians had, knowing full well it was false, but also knowing that Nixon could not respond because it was classified information. The dims also know full well the good things that are happening, and are ongoing, but know President Bush will unlike them, put the country first. This will be the dirtiest campaign in recent history, and things are just warming up.

You nailed it!

60 posted on 02/08/2004 9:39:16 PM PST by Mo1 (Speaking of Kerry, do we really want a president who injects poison into his skull?)
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