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Assault weapons ban back in play; Feinstein tries to get reluctant Congress ...
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Feb 9, 2004 | by Edward Epstein

Posted on 02/09/2004 9:03:09 AM PST by Lazamataz

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Washington -- Gun control hasn't emerged as a leading issue in the 2004 presidential race, but that is likely to change as Democratic California Sen. Dianne Feinstein intensifies her effort to win renewal of the decade-old assault weapons ban, which expires in September.


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A lot of people tell me that this bill will never make it to Bush's desk.

I am here to tell you that it will absolutely make it to his desk.

100% guarenteed.

1 posted on 02/09/2004 9:03:11 AM PST by Lazamataz
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2 posted on 02/09/2004 9:04:19 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Lazamataz
A lot of people tell me that this bill will never make it to Bush's desk. I am here to tell you that it will absolutely make it to his desk.

Stroke of the pen, lose the election. "Kinda cool."

3 posted on 02/09/2004 9:07:36 AM PST by Jim Cane (Vote Tancredo in '04)
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To: Lazamataz
Huh Laz, Delay says it won't make it out of the House. I see that you got your orders this morning from the punk, Moby.

One of Sen. John Kerry's celebrity supporters is ready to pull out all the stops to get him elected. Republicans are shrieking over a suggestion by rocker Moby that Democrats spread gossip about President Bush on the Internet. "No one's talking about how to keep the other side home on Election Day," Moby tells us. "It's a lot easier than you think and it doesn't cost that much. This election can be won by 200,000 votes." Moby suggests that it's possible to seed doubt among Bush's far-right supporters on the Web.

"You target his natural constituencies," says the Grammy-nominated techno-wizard. "For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion.

"Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, 'What's all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?'"

Moby didn't claim that he believed the abortion story.

Last month, Bush did propose reforms to immigration policy. But he insisted, "I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship [because it] perpetuates illegal immigration."

Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson likened Moby's proposal to "dirty campaign tactics we're already seeing from John Kerry."

"His campaign was willing to use these kinds of voter suppression tactics against members of his own party in Iowa and New Hampshire," Iverson says. "John Kerry is a hypocrite. He pledged to run a clean campaign. Then he uses the lowest form of gutter politics to impugn his opponents, Democratic and Republican. It's unfortunate but this is probably just the beginning of the kind of tactics we're going to be seeing from John Kerry in the months to come."

Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said, "I doubt that Moby was suggesting anybody suppress the vote. We did not use any dirty tactics against any candidate.

"When it comes to dirty tricks the Republic party wrote the book. We've already seen Republican attacks and we haven't even won the nomination yet. The Republican Party is clearly afraid of John Kerry."

Punk the Prez - Moby's anti-Bush tricks

4 posted on 02/09/2004 9:09:29 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Huh Laz, Delay says it won't make it out of the House.

I hope you are right. The second amendment is my most important issue.

5 posted on 02/09/2004 9:10:48 AM PST by Lazamataz (I know exactly what opinion I am permitted to have, and I am zealous -- nay, vociferous -- in it!!!)
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I am here to tell you that it will absolutely make it to his desk. 100% guarenteed.

Yep. It'll be attached to some "must sign" bill. .....and the Prez will sign it, just as he said he'd do.

.....Zero vetos and (not) counting.....

6 posted on 02/09/2004 9:12:50 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Lazamataz
The guns it covered had to meet a so-called two-characteristic test, meaning the weapon could be banned if it had two features from a long list that included items such as automatic ammunition clips [lie - there's no such thing.], a pistol grip, a barrel shroud or flash suppressor.

To get around the ban, manufacturers simply changed the guns to remove one of the characteristics on the list and kept on producing them. [Another lie - they had to remove all the features except one from the list.] The Bushmaster XM15 used in the 2002 sniper shootings in the Washington, D.C., area, for instance, was one of these weapons, a clone of the banned AR-15 assault rifle. [And with a rate of fire of one shot every three days, any other weapon including muzzle loading cannon could have worked.]

This loophole [LIE!! It's not a loophole, it's a specific legal exemption that was explicitly created by law.] is one that would be closed in legislation introduced in the House and Senate that is even stricter than the Feinstein-Schumer legislation. Its co-sponsors include Feinstein's California Democratic colleague, Sen. Barbara Boxer, who is running for re-election this November. [She must be defeated.]

7 posted on 02/09/2004 9:13:19 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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"However, President Bush has said he will sign a renewal, if it makes it to his desk."

Then Bush better see it doesn't make it to his desk. Last week, he finally took a stand against gay marriage. I think he's beginning to feel his base fading away.
8 posted on 02/09/2004 9:15:21 AM PST by Spok
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To: Lazamataz
I disagree. The Democrats will have to drop it precisely because it is too much of a hot-button issue with voters.

That aside, here's a question:

Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, has decided "it's not good enough just to renew a law with loopholes that have caused the death of law enforcement officers and helped those who want to commit terrorism,'' said Ted Kalo, the Democratic counsel for the House Judiciary Committee.

How many LEO's are killed each year by "assault rifles"?

This is so stupid. I guess I would still vote for Bush if he did sign a new AWB, but I just don't see where Americans are any safer because I can't buy a folding stock for my 10/22.

9 posted on 02/09/2004 9:18:02 AM PST by old3030 ("Appearances are a glimpse of what is hidden." (Anaxagoras))
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To: Lazamataz
If this bill makes it to his desk, and he signs it, he will lose his base in huge numbers. I'm not saying it to be controversial or adversarial to the administration; I'm saying it because it's fact.
10 posted on 02/09/2004 9:18:22 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Lazamataz
The ban will be part of a package of firearms legislation before Congress that includes a gun industry proposal to win an exemption from the type of liability lawsuits filed by San Francisco and other cities across the country.

Won't it be ironic when it turns out the "gun lobby" is so intent on getting the liability protection -- which in more sane, less litigious times, would be totally unnecessary -- that it accepts the extension of the current ban on so-called assault weapons?

It'll pass. Bush will sign it because he's told it's politically expedient.

11 posted on 02/09/2004 9:20:12 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: Lazamataz
"Guns will be an issue in the election. The more Congress has to deal with it, the more candidates will be asked about it,'' said Robert J. Spitzer, a professor at the State University of New York at Cortland and the author of "The Politics of Gun Control.''

Is this turkey any relation to Elliot?

12 posted on 02/09/2004 9:24:43 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Lazamataz
As long as his popularity slips, the Republican Party will realize they need the gun owners. I don't believe he can win without them with a poll rating in the 50's.
13 posted on 02/09/2004 9:25:12 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Lazamataz
Remove Feinstein rider from firearms liability bill (Assault Weapons Ban)
14 posted on 02/09/2004 9:28:09 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: newgeezer
There's a gun website that I believe has been visited from time to time by the dem party. They created a poll asking the members what they thought was more important, saving the gun manufacturers or the AWB. The members said the gun manufacturers. Within a couple of weeks, there were the rumors the AWB would be attached to the protection act.

If we work hard enough, we can save both. The AWB sunset and the Protection Act.
15 posted on 02/09/2004 9:29:37 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: newgeezer
The bill will not get to his desk this election cycle. It will be buried with the hope that the RATS bring it up as a campaign issue.

Bush will hammer the bill as being ineffective and politically driven by the Left. He will send it back to the house for reworking. After the election the bill dies.


16 posted on 02/09/2004 9:29:59 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 Senate seats changes the world!!)
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To: Lazamataz
If Bush signs the renewal this Bush supporter will no longer be a supporter. I will not vote for a candidate with the record that GW has.

It's no one thing, but the sum total of what Bush has supported.
17 posted on 02/09/2004 9:32:06 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Lazamataz
No it won't. Can you say filabuster? But it won't even get out of the House so a filabuster won't be necessary.
18 posted on 02/09/2004 9:32:22 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Recent NRA survey asked "What is #1 gun rights issue?" Virtually everyone I know stated "Let AW BAN SUNSET!"
19 posted on 02/09/2004 9:34:24 AM PST by donozark
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To: justshutupandtakeit
No it won't. Can you say filabuster? But it won't even get out of the House so a filabuster won't be necessary.

I *really really* hope you are right.

If you are right, I will buy you a beer. If I am right, you buy me an assault rifle. Deal? ;^)

20 posted on 02/09/2004 9:35:02 AM PST by Lazamataz (I know exactly what opinion I am permitted to have, and I am zealous -- nay, vociferous -- in it!!!)
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To: Lazamataz
Same here, GW sings any legislation restricting gun rights and he's a carbon copy of daddy, it's gonna cost him enough votes to swing the balance. And he and his advisors are blind to think it wont cost him the election.



21 posted on 02/09/2004 9:35:36 AM PST by Stopislamnow
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To: Spok
His base is firm. The only fading is from fringe one-issue types holed up in their basements dreading the world who probably didn't support him to begin with. Those who are so foolish as to consider cutting off their noses to spit their faces rarely make a difference in anything.
22 posted on 02/09/2004 9:36:17 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Lazamataz
And after it makes it to his desk, next to the sombrero and non-alcoholic Corona from Vicente...

However, President Bush has said he will sign a renewal, if it makes it to his desk.

23 posted on 02/09/2004 9:37:00 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: donozark
What I liked about the NRA was back in the last two elections, they told their members to get off their *$$eS and work for their candidates because they would be the ones in office to work for the sunset.
The work started over two years ago. Not a week before it was supposed to come to a vote.
24 posted on 02/09/2004 9:38:38 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Lazamataz
Well, gotta disagree with your contention but thanks for posting article. Roy Blunt and Tom Delay will stop it in the House. Remember, the Republican controlled House voted to repeal the AW Ban in 1996 239-173 vote. If anything, they understand more than ever, the power gun owners have. If not? They will be checking the "Help Wanted" ads...
25 posted on 02/09/2004 9:40:12 AM PST by donozark
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To: jimtorr
ping and ditto

what is the point of electing conservatives that turn around and act like Labour party flacks. and embrace the left like a long lost child.


'mp' you will perish at the gibbet or of the pox


'pm' that depends on whether I embrace your policies or your mistress.



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26 posted on 02/09/2004 9:41:03 AM PST by woerm (student of history)
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To: Lazamataz
I am here to tell you that it will absolutely make it to his desk.

100% guaranteed.


One of the only times I would disagree with you Laz.

Though there are times I too feel pessimistic about the "Sunset" of the Ban, I trust Delay ( and I think the President does also ) that renewal stands NO chance in the House.
27 posted on 02/09/2004 9:41:49 AM PST by CaptSkip
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To: justshutupandtakeit
one-issue types

Yes, adherence to the Constitution (in other words, upholding your oath) is my one issue.

28 posted on 02/09/2004 9:44:12 AM PST by Sir Gawain (Republicans give spineless cowards a bad name)
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To: Sir Gawain
So a dubious claim of not witholding a part of the Constitution would justify your helping outright and declared enemies of it into power?

Remind me not to expect help from you on any important issue.
29 posted on 02/09/2004 10:02:10 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Lazamataz
"I find it a dismaying part of public life that guns can be given a protection against lawsuits that no other industry has," Feinstein said.

The implication here is that she thinks the purpose of a gun should be to "not cause injury?" This statement is absurd and a great example of why Sen. Feinstein is not fit to serve. If I'm not mistaken, there is nothing in the proposed law that states: if a gun has a manufacturer's defect and an injury occurs due to that defect, that company is NOT liable. I wonder if she needs help tying her shoes.

30 posted on 02/09/2004 10:03:29 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Lazamataz
As long as I get to decide upon the size of the "beer."
31 posted on 02/09/2004 10:03:35 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
"The bill will not get to his desk this election cycle."

It is to sunset in September, so one of two things will happen before the elections;

It will sunset (hopefully).

It will go to his desk.
32 posted on 02/09/2004 10:07:50 AM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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To: justshutupandtakeit
As long as I get to decide upon the size of the "beer."

Sure, no problem.

This is what I have in mind for my assault rifle:

Please try to stay below 20 megaton yield. Anything larger is a little unwieldy.

33 posted on 02/09/2004 10:08:21 AM PST by Lazamataz (I know exactly what opinion I am permitted to have, and I am zealous -- nay, vociferous -- in it!!!)
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To: Lazamataz
"Al Gore's pro-gun- control positions may have cost him the electoral votes of West Virginia and New Hampshire in 2000 -- along with the presidency."

May have cost him two states? Espstein, YOU sir are a DOPE.
Gorebot's pro gun-grabbing stance cost him HIS OWN STATE, and Ark, and the whole south.

And one thing Mr. Rove better remember, the NRA played a HUGE part in getting Dubya elected.

Oh cr@p, excuse me now I have to puke, FNC just should Gorebot's rant from yesterday... gotta run.. BBL

34 posted on 02/09/2004 10:08:56 AM PST by Condor51 ("Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites" -- Standing Wolf)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You, sir are wrong! The president has has been very good for the country after the attack.I support his moves in Afganistan and Iraq, but some of his other moves have been very democratic in scope. I hope he is just trying to remove many of the rats negatives in the upcoming election, but I feel that he also has lost the intent of the constitution and the scope of government. Those of us that feel that the 2nd ammendment is of supreme importance to the continued existance of this nation have become one issue voters. If President Bush signs a continuation of AWB or a new and more extensive version of AWB, I and so many others will not only not vote for him, but as I have said before, will campaign for the rat. It is my intension that if there is to be a second revolution it will have to be now, before I am too old to pull a trigger or can't remember why I'm pulling it.
35 posted on 02/09/2004 10:09:21 AM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain TO EAT VEGETABLES!)
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To: Lazamataz
Litmus test.
36 posted on 02/09/2004 10:09:48 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: Jim Cane
Stroke of the pen, lose the election. "Kinda cool."

Good thought, but how about: "Stroke of the pen, loss of the land."

37 posted on 02/09/2004 10:11:02 AM PST by Grut
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To: Lazamataz
You're wrong.

DeLay will not let it be voted on. Not even close.

38 posted on 02/09/2004 10:11:32 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"The only fading is from fringe one-issue types holed up in their basements dreading the world who probably didn't support him to begin with."

No, if he were to sign the extension it would be the straw that broke the camels back. The people at are on the fence about him are there due to more than one issue. Wake up, these people are not what you claim they are.
39 posted on 02/09/2004 10:11:54 AM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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To: Mr. Mojo
am here to tell you that it will absolutely make it to his desk. 100% guarenteed.
Yep. It'll be attached to some "must sign" bill. .....and the Prez will sign it, just as he said he'd do.

.....Zero vetos and (not) counting.....

bump!
40 posted on 02/09/2004 10:14:12 AM PST by KantianBurke (Principles, not blind loyalty)
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To: Big Mack
There is ONE issue in this election. Will the president defeat those who want to destroy us or will the American people get wobbly and allow its worst enemies back into power? Apparently you would choose the latter course. Too bad.
41 posted on 02/09/2004 10:16:10 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: CaptSkip; Lazamataz
"One of the only times I would disagree with you Laz.

Though there are times I too feel pessimistic about the "Sunset" of the Ban, I trust Delay ( and I think the President does also ) that renewal stands NO chance in the House."

Laz could be right in a way. If Feinstein's rider makes it to him, it is the same as the extension making it to his desk itself. Hopefully, Congress can strip the rider off before it makes it to Bush.
42 posted on 02/09/2004 10:16:13 AM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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To: Lazamataz

NRA Anti-AWB Website

SUNSET THE AW BAN

43 posted on 02/09/2004 10:16:54 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: looscnnn
There is no issue which would justify putting democRATS back into power to further undermine our national security. This is the only issue of supreme importance.

Putting those opposed to EVERY form of gun ownership back into power seems like a reasonable course for you to follow?

How many RATmedia tricks do you fall for? Will you ever be able to recognize and resist them?
44 posted on 02/09/2004 10:19:10 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Lazamataz
Can you tell me how 10 Senators and 100 Congressmen plan to twist arms to get this passed?
45 posted on 02/09/2004 10:20:21 AM PST by m1-lightning (God, Guns, and Country!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
If it's so important W stay in office, I suggest you get busy lobbying him on this issue.

Because one side has to give, and it isn't going to be us.

46 posted on 02/09/2004 10:21:22 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: Yo-Yo
"Every bill dealing with guns is uphill because of the gun lobby.

Thank GOD for that!

47 posted on 02/09/2004 10:23:28 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
His base is firm. The only fading is from fringe one-issue types holed up in their basements dreading the world who probably didn't support him to begin with. Those who are so foolish as to consider cutting off their noses to spit their faces rarely make a difference in anything.

Insulting those with whom you disagree is rarely a successful way of winning them to your point of view.

Apparently, on the Second Amendment issue, your chosen name indicates your point of view well.

48 posted on 02/09/2004 10:25:01 AM PST by Jarhead_22 (Peace can wait. I want payback.)
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To: Lazamataz
"I find it a dismaying part of public life that guns can be given a protection against lawsuits that no other industry has," Feinstein said

They are given protection from FRIVOLUS lawsuits. If the weapon discharges & blows up....it's defective...sue till your hearts content. Same weapon discharges properly....sorry. It works justs fine..no lawsuit.

49 posted on 02/09/2004 10:25:50 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"Putting those opposed to EVERY form of gun ownership back into power seems like a reasonable course for you to follow?"

There are many that vote the person, not party or anything else. They would withhold their votes if Bush were to sign something like this, due to other liberal issues he has advanced and is trying to advance. Along with Bush saying he is for national security, but won't do anything to protect the border with Mexico.

"How many RATmedia tricks do you fall for? Will you ever be able to recognize and resist them?"

I am not about to start playing pissing games with someone with a name like yours. You don't know me, thus you would not know that I do recognize their tricks. What I can't stand is people that expect us to bend over and "justshutupandtakeit" for whatever the quote of the day is.
50 posted on 02/09/2004 10:27:36 AM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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