Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

John Kerry Is A Self-Admitted War Criminal
Meet The Press ^ | April 18, 1971 | N/A

Posted on 02/09/2004 9:31:43 AM PST by Hon

Edited on 02/24/2004 10:10:07 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

photo

A portion of John Kerry's remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971:

MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004; admiturmojohon; kerry; mtp; vietnam; warcriminal
"[Y]es, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities..."
1 posted on 02/09/2004 9:31:44 AM PST by Hon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Hon
*BUMP*!
2 posted on 02/09/2004 9:36:43 AM PST by ex-Texan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hon
bump
3 posted on 02/09/2004 9:37:06 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hon
He disliked the atrocities he committed in Vietnam, yet has no problem approving the atrocity of killing unborn babies here.
4 posted on 02/09/2004 9:37:09 AM PST by mass55th
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Admin Moderator
Thanks.
5 posted on 02/09/2004 9:52:02 AM PST by Hon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Hon
Some enterprising journalist should ask Kerry what he thinks about our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines who are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan today, and force an answer out of him. We're using considerably more powerful weapons today than we were 30 years ago.
6 posted on 02/09/2004 9:54:05 AM PST by jpl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hon
Good find! The archived article referenced in the thread referenced for this post has "expired" on MSNBC though. Maybe the more resourceful out there will be able to find it through a search on MSNBC but I was not. If I were "paranoid", I might think there was a bias in the media towards Kerry......................hmmmm.....hehe
7 posted on 02/09/2004 9:55:29 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jpl
This excerpt from the MTP show in 1971 was brought up by Russert on May 6, 2001. In a way he asked what you asked. Kerry weaseled his way out:

MR. RUSSERT: You mentioned you're a military guy. There's been a lot of
discussion about Bob Kerrey, your former Democratic colleague in the
Senate, about his talking about his anguish about what happened in Vietnam.
You were on this program 30 years ago as a leader of the Vietnam Veterans
Against the War. And we went back and have an audiotape of that and some
still photos. And your comments are particularly timely in this
overall discussion of Bob Kerrey. And I'd like for you to listen to
those with our audience and then try to put that war into some
context:

(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):

MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or
another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide
and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do
you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in
Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that,
yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other
soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire
zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre
machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only
weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the
burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of
this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a
matter of written established policy by the government of the United States
from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men
who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed
off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law,
the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

(End audiotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Thirty years later, you stand by that?

SEN. KERRY: I don't stand by the genocide. I think those were the words of
an angry young man. We did not try to do that. But I do stand by the
description-I don't even believe there is a purpose served in the word "war
criminal." I really don't. But I stand by the rest of what happened over
there, Tim.

I mean, you know, we-it was-I mean, we've got to put this war in its right
perspective and time helps us do that. I believe very deeply that it was a
noble effort to begin with. I signed up. I volunteered. I wanted to go over
there and I wanted to win. It was a noble effort to try to make a country
democratic; to try to carry our principles and values to another part of
the world. But we misjudged history. We misjudged our own country. We
misjudged our strategy. And we fell into a dark place. All of us. And
I think we learned that over time. And I hope the contribution that
some of us made as veterans was to come back and help people
understand that.

I think our soldiers served as nobly, on the whole, as in any war, and
people need to understand that. There were great sacrifices, great
contributions. And they came back to a country that didn't thank the
veteran, that didn't-I mean, everything that the veteran gained in the
ensuing years, Agent Orange recognition, post-Vietnam stress syndrome
recognition, the extension of the G.I. Bill, you know, improvement of
the V.A. hospitals, all came from Vietnam veterans themselves
fighting for it. Indeed, even the memorial in Washington came from
that.

MR. RUSSERT: By your own comments, Bob Kerrey was not alone in doing the
things that he did.

SEN. KERRY: Oh, of course, not. And not only that, we, the government of
our country, ran an assassination program. I mean, Bill Colby has
acknowledged it. We had the Phoenix Program, where they actually went into
villages to eliminate the civilian infrastructure of the Vietcong. Now, you
couldn't tell the difference in many cases who they were. And countless
veterans testified 30 years ago to that reality. And I think-look,
there's no excusing shooting children in cold blood, or women, and
killing them in cold blood. There isn't, under any circumstances. But
we're not asking, you know, nor is Bob Kerrey saying, "Excuse us for
what we did." We're asking people to try to
understand the context and forgiveness. And I think the nation needs to
understand what the nation put its young in a position to do, and
move on and take those lessons and apply them to the future.

MR. RUSSERT: The folks who oversaw the war, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon,
Henry Kissinger, you do not now 30 years later consider them war criminals?

SEN. KERRY: No, I think we did things that were tantamount that certainly
violated the laws of war, but I think it was the natural consequence of the
Cold War itself. People made decisions based on their perceptions of the
world at that time. They were in error. They were judgments of error. But I
think no purpose is served now by going down that road. I think, you know,
the rhetoric of youth and of anger can be redeemed by the acts that we put in
place after time to try to move us beyond that. And I think there are great
lessons to learn from it. But we would serve no purpose with that now. But
we have to be honest about the mistakes we made. We don't have legitimacy
in the world, Tim, if we go to other countries, in Bosnia or China or
anywhere else, and not say, "You know, we made some terrible mistakes."

And that honesty, that lack of a sense of honesty is part of what is
driving people's anger toward the United States today. That's why we have
the vote in the U.N. That's why people-our allies, too-are disturbed by
this defense posture. You can't abrogate the ABM treaty and move forward on
your own to build this defense in a way that threatens the perceptions of
security people have. And if you build a defense system, Tim, that
can do what they say at the outside, which is change mutual assured
destruction, you have invited a potential adversary to build, build,
build, to find a way around it. The lesson of the Cold War is, you do
not make this planet safer by moving
unilaterally into a place of new weapons. Every single advance in weaponry
through the Cold War was matched by one side or the other, and that's why
we put the ABM treaty in place, and that's why we need to proceed very
cautiously and very thoughtfully.

MR. RUSSERT: John Kerry, we thank you for your views.


SEN. KERRY: Thank you.
8 posted on 02/09/2004 9:59:48 AM PST by Hon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Hon
Bush is going to be running against a decorated war hero pacifist liberal war criminal hippy protestor, voicing his disgust with the war that he voted in favor of because he was really just bluffing. Plus this Kennedyesque everyman can relate to the poor because he married a Republican widow with $300 million dollars.

And I thought the Michael Jackson trial was going to be a freakshow.

9 posted on 02/09/2004 10:01:56 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FourtySeven
"Good find! The archived article referenced in the thread referenced for this post has "expired" on MSNBC though. Maybe the more resourceful out there will be able to find it through a search on MSNBC but I was not. If I were "paranoid", I might think there was a bias in the media towards Kerry......................hmmmm.....hehe"

The SUPREME IRONY of all of this is that this interview is being sent around by the Vietnam Veterans Against The War!

If you go to the link I gave as a source, you'll see this:

"Date: Thu, 17 May 2001
From: Vietnam Veterans Against the War
xx600@prairienet.org
Subject: John Kerry on Vietnam Atrocities

From VVAW's mailbox to all on VVAWNET and VVAWINC:

[Looks like Kerry has begun his presidential 'retooling' for 2004--jtm]


http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/568894.asp "
10 posted on 02/09/2004 10:05:56 AM PST by Hon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Hon
so, are we to understand that Isaac the Bartender will be his running mate?
11 posted on 02/09/2004 10:07:48 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hon
Like Nazi's during WWII he was only following orders. Is that what he is saying? What a cowardly liar.
12 posted on 02/09/2004 10:08:47 AM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hon
Someone ought to post this over at the-place-that-must-not-be-mentioned and watch the fur fly.
14 posted on 02/09/2004 10:17:24 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: vpintheak
"Like Nazi's during WWII he was only following orders. Is that what he is saying? What a cowardly liar."

He says he is a war criminal who committed atrocities, when it suits his purpose. He says he was only following orders, when it suits his purpose.

It's the way he is about everything. The way he has been all of his life.
15 posted on 02/09/2004 10:18:41 AM PST by Hon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: dead
Bush is going to be running against a decorated war hero pacifist liberal war criminal hippy protestor, voicing his disgust with the war that he voted in favor of because he was really just bluffing. Plus this Kennedyesque everyman can relate to the poor because he married a Republican widow with $300 million dollars.

Stop it, I'm going to hurl!

I don't know whether Bush won any medals during his years in the military, but if he didn't....I have a real dandy campaign ad against Kerry.

President Bush faithfully served his country, and didn't win any medals doing it. Senator Kerry served his country, won medals, but threw them back in America's face.

Too harsh?

16 posted on 02/09/2004 10:18:53 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Hon
I pledge, on the grave of my dear friend, James William Lunsford.....who gave his life in Vietnam, to do everything in my power to get the truth out about Comrade Kerry.
17 posted on 02/09/2004 10:20:28 AM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mtbopfuyn
Someone ought to post this over at the-place-that-must-not-be-mentioned and watch the fur fly.

Bah! More like spontaneous, multiple "O's"....

18 posted on 02/09/2004 10:20:29 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Hon
If you go to the link I gave as a source, you'll see this:

Yes, I know. That's what I was talking about earlier: the link http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/568894.asp is either broken or expired, according to MSNBC. I tried searching their Archives under "'Meet the Press' May 6, 2001" and other variants, but nothing came up.

Of course I don't doubt that this is a real quote. I have 0 problems with believing that Ketchup Boy would say such a thing, and then retract it as "slick" as he did in the MTP from May 6th 2001. I was just hoping someone on FR here would be a better 'searcher' than me, and maybe be able to find it on MSNBC after all. Going into this election, unless something is sourced EXACTLY, the more virulent left wingers won't accept this as "truth". No biggie of course, but as great as this find is, it would be AWESOME if it could be found on MSNBC.

Keep up the good work.

19 posted on 02/09/2004 10:20:54 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: mass55th
He disliked the atrocities he committed in Vietnam, yet has no problem approving the atrocity of killing unborn babies here.

My understand of Kerry's words is genocide is a really big no-no, but one baby at a time is such a little event it can be overlooked.

20 posted on 02/09/2004 10:22:37 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: FourtySeven
unless something is sourced EXACTLY, the more virulent left wingers won't accept this as "truth".

They will refuse to believe it anyway.

21 posted on 02/09/2004 10:28:43 AM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Hon
Does anybody know who is sitting next to Kerry in this picture???
22 posted on 02/09/2004 10:46:06 AM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hon
Who is theother guy with kerry? Anyone know?
23 posted on 02/09/2004 10:50:57 AM PST by robowombat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dr._Joseph_Warren
"Does anybody know who is sitting next to Kerry in this picture???"

Yes. It is another fraud. (A bogus Vietnam Vet.)

See this thread on that very subject:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1074451/posts
24 posted on 02/09/2004 10:58:43 AM PST by Hon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Hon
My tagline says it all.
25 posted on 02/09/2004 11:31:20 AM PST by ambrose (John Kerry is a War Criminal, Not War Hero)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hon
Bump
26 posted on 02/09/2004 11:33:30 AM PST by Darnright
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hon
Cross-linking:

-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--

27 posted on 02/09/2004 11:37:48 AM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the TrackBall into the Sunset...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Britton J Wingfield
bump
28 posted on 02/09/2004 1:01:58 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: LisaMalia
"I pledge, on the grave of my dear friend, James William Lunsford.....who gave his life in Vietnam, to do everything in my power to get the truth out about Comrade Kerry."

Good for you. It's something we owe to everybody who ever served honorably.
29 posted on 02/09/2004 1:16:06 PM PST by Hon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: All
Here are a list of Jane Fonda's comments she made while in North Vietnam in July of 1972 as compiled by Bruce Herschensohn:

"I'm very honored to be a guest in your country, and I loudly condemn the crimes that have been committed by the U.S. Government in the name of the American people against your country. A growing number of people in the United States not only demand an end to the war, an end to the bombing, a withdrawal of all U.S. troops, and an end to the support of the Thieu clique, but we identify with the struggle of your people. We have understood that we have a common enemy: U.S. imperialism...

"I want to publicly accuse Nixon of being a new-type Hitler whose crimes are being unveiled. I want to publicly charge that while waging the war of aggression in Vietnam he has betrayed everything the American people have at heart. The tragedy is for the United States and not for the Vietnamese people, because the Vietnamese people will soon regain their independence and freedom...

"To the U.S. servicemen who are stationed on the aircraft carriers in the Gulf of Tonkin, those of you who load the bombs on the planes should know that those weapons are illegal. And the use of those bombs or condoning the use of those bombs, makes one a war criminal.

"I'm not a pacifist. I understand why the Vietnamese are fighting...against a white man's racist aggression. We know what U.S. imperialism has done to our country so we know what lies in store for any third world country that could have the misfortune of falling into the hands of a country such as the United States and becoming a colony...You know that when Nixon says the war is winding down, that he's lying."

Within six months our military involvement was over.

http://adnetsolfp2.adnetsol.com/ssl_claremont/int_aff/herschensohn000706.cfm
30 posted on 02/09/2004 10:33:28 PM PST by Hon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Hon
What You Don't Know about John Kerry
31 posted on 02/09/2004 10:48:25 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

Comment #32 Removed by Moderator

Comment #33 Removed by Moderator

Comment #34 Removed by Moderator

To: Rhys Ifans
"The bugger is against our having a defense against ballistic missiles."

He seems to be against us having any kind of defense. I don't think there has ever been a defense program he hasn't opposed.
35 posted on 02/16/2004 3:25:00 PM PST by Hon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Rhys Ifans
"Why should the country thank the veteran after you told the country that the veterans were a bunch of murderers?"

Good question.
36 posted on 02/21/2004 8:03:57 AM PST by Hon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Hon

Bump for reference


37 posted on 10/17/2004 12:15:48 PM PDT by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson