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Uproar Over Pilot's In-Flight Religion Comments
foxnews.com/AP ^ | 2/8/2004

Posted on 02/09/2004 11:06:18 AM PST by Born Conservative

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:38:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW YORK An American Airlines (search) pilot asked Christians on his flight to identify themselves and suggested the non-Christians discuss the faith with them, the airline said.

The case was handed over to the airline's personnel department for an investigation, spokesman Tim Wagner (search) said Sunday.


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1 posted on 02/09/2004 11:06:21 AM PST by Born Conservative
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To: Born Conservative
I would have responded by raising my hand.

(Although it would have had a single finger extended........)

2 posted on 02/09/2004 11:11:15 AM PST by gdani (Have you played Atari today?)
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To: Born Conservative
If a "free beer" clause was included with such instruction, I would've been all over it.
3 posted on 02/09/2004 11:12:51 AM PST by sirshackleton
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To: gdani
There is an appropriate time and appropriate place for this discussion; unfortunately, this wasn't it.
4 posted on 02/09/2004 11:12:57 AM PST by Born Conservative ("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
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Related threads

Pilot suggested passengers discuss Christianity during LA-to-New York flight 2/7/04 547 comments

Airline pilot asked Christians to share their faith with other passengers2/8/2004 47 comments
5 posted on 02/09/2004 11:13:10 AM PST by george wythe
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To: gdani
Good Grief. For once I agree with you. (But I wouldn't have been that rude)
6 posted on 02/09/2004 11:13:10 AM PST by OpusatFR (Seach Google for your screen name. Get a surprise!)
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To: Born Conservative
There is an appropriate time and appropriate place for this discussion; unfortunately, this wasn't it.

Agreed.

7 posted on 02/09/2004 11:13:49 AM PST by gdani (Have you played Atari today?)
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To: Born Conservative
Fascinating. Now, suppose the pilot were a Buddhist or a Hindu (we have lots of both here in the USA). I wonder if reaction would be different.

I'm an atheist, and I didn't come by my atheism by being ignorant of Christian teachings. I don't need or want to be proselytized while travelling on an airliner, where I am a captive audience.

This pilot should confine his preaching to some venue where people are not required to be.

Now, I don't think he should get fired or anything, but I'll bet this never happens again. American Airlines has lots and lots of passengers who are not Christians. I doubt they would like to lose their business.
8 posted on 02/09/2004 11:14:54 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Born Conservative
Pilot Rodger Findiesen of Annapolis, Md., then invited others to talk with these passengers about their religious beliefs during the 4 1/2-hour cross-country flight on Friday, spokesman Tim Wagner said.

Findiesen had recently visited a Christian mission in Costa Rica, Wagner said.

"I guess he was moved by the experience and wanted to share his emotions," he said......

Findiesen declined to comment Saturday. "I can't speak to you," he said. "My wife is here, and she's very upset."

This is from an article in yesterday's Fort Worth Star Telegram.

9 posted on 02/09/2004 11:20:07 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
Is that the only article in which the pilot is identified?
10 posted on 02/09/2004 11:23:58 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain
The only one I've read. It's from the LA Times, which is why I only posted the link. The Star-Telegram just picked it up.
11 posted on 02/09/2004 11:26:14 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: george wythe
Here we go again!
12 posted on 02/09/2004 11:29:01 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: george wythe
Thanks for posting the related threads. Whenever I post, I do a search on the specific title of the article that I'm posting (different news outlets use different headlines/titles for the same story).
13 posted on 02/09/2004 11:30:51 AM PST by Born Conservative ("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
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To: Born Conservative
It could have been worse. The pilot could have asked them to pray the the wings stayed on.
14 posted on 02/09/2004 11:31:52 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Born Conservative
I know I would have been thinking what does the pilot know that we don't know.
15 posted on 02/09/2004 11:32:24 AM PST by mel
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To: Born Conservative
Wonder how many raised their hands?

At least it wasn't a jihadi pilot.

Everyone convert or this plane goes down!
16 posted on 02/09/2004 11:32:30 AM PST by swarthyguy (Russia doesn't conduct negotiations with terrorists -- it destroys them," Vlad Putin)
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To: mel
I know I would have been thinking what does the pilot know that we don't know.

"Uhh... This is the captain speaking. If anyone on board has not made peace with their maker, right about now would be a real good time to do so. Thanks."

17 posted on 02/09/2004 11:35:46 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Born Conservative
When I fly, I generally use the time to study some subject by reading a book. I'm always annoyed if I get seated next to an over-talkative passenger, since that time is useful to me.

It doesn't really matter what the other passenger wants to discuss. I'm not interested. I have stuff to do. Generally, just telling them that I'd prefer to continue with my reading lets me get back to my book.

Not always, though, and I remember one specific time when the person sitting next to me decided to "witness" to me about Christianity. I told the person that I was busy and that I preferred to study than to discuss religion.

Didn't work. The individual continued to interrupt me with his "good news." I repeated my request to be left alone. That led to this "christian" telling me all about what I would face if I didn't "follow Jesus." I asked once more to be left alone to study.

Still didn't work. The individual got more and more persistent and more and more annoying and personal with his description of the nature of his "hell."

After about an hour, I finally grew terminally annoyed at his constant interruptions and very, very quietly said:

"In the name of Satan, I curse you and your household."

Very quietly. Now, I'm an atheist and don't believe in any Satan any more than I believe in any other deities.

Sure shut the guy up, though. He turned white and never said another word for the rest of the flight. I got my studying done just fine.

Rude of me? Sure, and I probably shouldn't have done that. But, I could find no other method of shutting this rude individual up.
18 posted on 02/09/2004 11:42:12 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Born Conservative
There is an appropriate time and appropriate place for this discussion; unfortunately, this wasn't it.

No reply necessary or desired to this post; but just for informational purposes to the nonchristians posting in this thread: For a christian the appropriate time and appropriate place is any time and any place the Lord directs them to witness for Him.

Also were I flying on the plane it would give me comfort to know that the pilot's beliefs were those that involve loving the breath of life the Lord gives them each day and beliefs that aspire to save the lives of others not destroy themselves and as many as they can take with them.

As for this man's witness I thank the Lord for it. All he did was deliver the message - no guns to anyone's heads. Listening, acceptance or rejection is all up to the person hearing it.

19 posted on 02/09/2004 11:51:40 AM PST by Down South P.E.
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To: Down South P.E.
For a christian the appropriate time and appropriate place is any time and any place the Lord directs them to witness for Him.

If the Lord is "telling" you when to bear witness, rather than trust your own good judgement, you have a bigger problem than people not wanting to listen to you.

"To every thing there is a season." To "witness" to people in a closed, confined environment is the height of rudeness.

And, as we know from St. Paul, love is kind, not rude.

20 posted on 02/09/2004 11:56:22 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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