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Need some help for a bake sale

Posted on 02/10/2004 8:03:09 PM PST by Raymann

The Univ. of Rochester's College Republicans, of which I'm a member, have decided to hold an affirmative action bake sale in a few weeks. Now I support this, even more so because I'm black but what I don't want is for this to turn ugly. My usual way for dealing with confrontations with crazed liberals is to get up in their face but I'm doing the protesting this time so thats not an option unless they force it. Also, as the only Black Republican there, I'm going to get most of the attention. I can hold my own for any arguments but thats not going to matter for some people. So what can I do? Your suggestions would be appreciated.


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KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; bakesale; blackrepublicans; collegerepublicans
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1 posted on 02/10/2004 8:03:09 PM PST by Raymann
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To: Raymann
Try to spend as much time at the table itself.

At my college, my college republicans are too scared to do it, although I keep pushing them at our meetings.

2 posted on 02/10/2004 8:05:01 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Raymann
Do I understand you to be saying that you will be joining a a pro affirmative action bake sale being held by liberals? You may have confrontations with more than liberals.
3 posted on 02/10/2004 8:05:55 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: luvbach1
Just re-read your original post so I now know the sale is being thrown by Republicans???????????
4 posted on 02/10/2004 8:07:06 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: Raymann
Yeah, you're gonna get all the attention, as well as all the abuse. Whatever they throw at you, stay above it. You're better than they are ... but you already know that.
6 posted on 02/10/2004 8:12:52 PM PST by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: luvbach1
Those affirmative-action bake sales are the best. Are you aware that FIRE (Fndtn for Individual Rights in Education/ http://www.thefire.org ) has helped several groups who did this and ran into legal trouble/ trouble with the Administration. i think it's a hoot, and more power to you. All you have to do is use logic, it will blow all the arguments away. They'll yell at you, of course, but -- I have learned that hearts do NOT burst from your chest, no matter how scary a situation is. The Truth will set you (and them) free. Have fun.
7 posted on 02/10/2004 8:13:57 PM PST by bboop
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To: yonif
People who get in your face and accuse and shout are trying to get you to argue (or shout back) on their terms. On their arguments. Don't fall for it.

Don't get sucked into answering their accusations or charges. You'll be playing their game on their playing-field. If they out-shout you, hold up cards that make your point. They'll have to stop and read them or knock them out of your hand (assault).

Your cards could say, Your Shouting Time Is Now Up. Or,Go Away, Take Prozac, And Put It In Writing. Or, If You Keep Screaming I will Call animal Control. Etc.

Good luck,you're going to deserve a Purple Heart after this. Report back!

8 posted on 02/10/2004 8:14:00 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: Raymann
Dude, this is played. Find a new scam. Trust your Uncle Albert.
9 posted on 02/10/2004 8:14:45 PM PST by AlbertWang
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To: Raymann
First of all, congratulations on having the strength of character to stand up on this issue. You are a true blue American!

I would suggest this - to consider the core message you want to convey - and then to formulate some canned responses that convey that message. You might talk about wanting to "stand on your own two feet" or "not settling for the crumbs off the Socialist table" or maybe "I can compete with any white man here". If you project your own pride and sense of self-worth, then I think your message will be driven home. Just remember to stay positive and not stray into negativism.

Good luck!

10 posted on 02/10/2004 8:14:54 PM PST by The Duke
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To: Raymann
Be at peace with the truth. Be kind, be yourself. Being an advocate of truth is not without suffering or pain.
11 posted on 02/10/2004 8:15:26 PM PST by formerDem
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To: Raymann
Courageous. Like the "coming out" of conservatives at another college, which I think I read on FreeRepublic earlier this week. It's impossible to win the debate. In my opinion, taking the heat successfully and getting through it with some sort of disarming humor is the best approach. If you take the bait and there's a confrontation, you automatically lose -- at least in the eyes of the campus newspaper the next day. You succeed not by winning the debate, but by rolling with the punches and not allowing provocation to turn into a scene. Of course, I probably have no business trying to answer the question, as a fifty-year-old white lawyer who is a long way from the reality of campus life as it is today.
12 posted on 02/10/2004 8:15:28 PM PST by omega_c (Bake Sale Strategy)
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To: WhiteChristianCons; luvbach1
Both of you are apparently 100% clueless w/ regard to what an AA bake sale is.
13 posted on 02/10/2004 8:16:19 PM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Raymann
Have somebody videotape the event from a safe vantage point, in case things go bad.
14 posted on 02/10/2004 8:17:24 PM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Raymann
Try a search for "bake" right here on FR. Plenty of info pops up...
15 posted on 02/10/2004 8:22:21 PM PST by Libloather (Charter member - VRWC - # EIB-04151982)
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To: Raymann
Understand going in that you'll be the main target. Be on your best behavior and don't let them bait you. There are good suggestions for signs and decorum here. Follow them. The signs will help you maintain your cool. God speed.
16 posted on 02/10/2004 8:25:53 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
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To: Raymann
If they get into your face, apologize and then charge them double what you would charge a regular white guy.
17 posted on 02/10/2004 8:31:45 PM PST by Bommer
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To: luvbach1; AlbertWang; WhiteChristianCons; Raymann
Apparently you aren't familiar with the "affirmative action" bake sales.

Here is more info about what they are. Please read it, then you can apologize to Raymann.

"'Affirmative-action bake sale' restored
Around the nation, a number of similar protests by conservative campus groups have been shut down after raising the ire of school officials and some students. At Southern Methodist University in Dallas, for example, a bake sale was shut down after the Young Conservatives of Texas posted a sign saying white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. White women, on the other hand, were charged 75 cents. It was 50 cents for Hispanics and 25 cents for blacks.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36902

The idea of an "affirmative action" bake sale is to demonstrate how unfair affirmative action is. Admitting blacks or women with lower scores to a university, is not different, than selling them the same cookie at a lower price, except more so.

These "affirmative action bake sales" are really a protest AGAINST affirmative action.
18 posted on 02/10/2004 8:43:43 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Raymann
Congratulations for taking part.

I think you need to go in with a very firm frame of mind, to NOT raise your voice, no matter what the provocation, speak softly, and don't under any circumstances do any shoving, again, no matter what the provocation. Stand back, be confident, firm, but softspoken.

There will be people trying to provoke you, so they can blame you for starting a disturbance and shut you down. Don't allow them to do it.

Just ask them sweetly, do they really think that blacks, Hispanics, etc. aren't as smart as white people, because that is what affirmative action says. You are the one standing for the future of Black people, that they learn that they can indeed compete, without taking cut price cookies in life.

Good luck. Stay cool. :)
19 posted on 02/10/2004 8:48:23 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Raymann
And if you need some *dough* for your cause don't be surprized if the place smells of a yeast fart for awhile.

Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, kudos.
20 posted on 02/10/2004 8:58:37 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Raymann
Watch a Clint Eastwood movie. Notice how he keeps a straight face, or just squints a bit at the really dumb folks he meets. That's, because he doesn't let them determine his emotions that would screw up his concentration. Focus on what they say and counter effectively. Remember you are doing this to enlighten the nitwits.

Make a price catagory for the folks that failed to get in line when God was handing out the brains. When you encounter an intractable specimen let them know you cared enough about them to include them also, and point to the appropriate pile of cookies.(the lowest price) You can also offer to chew the cookies for them if they can't do that and squawk at the same time.

21 posted on 02/10/2004 9:00:28 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Raymann
Offer large quantities of Salt Water Taffy to all comers.. FREE..

Their mouths will be so gummed up they won't be able to say anything but "MMMMMFFFFFF!!!"..

Smile, and say " Thank You for Supporting Our Cause.."..

22 posted on 02/10/2004 9:24:24 PM PST by Drammach
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To: Raymann
Never raise your voice. Just reply calmly or don't reply at all. You must always smile too.

Don't forget to have a sign with the breakdown of discounts for minorities. You can't give special discounts to minorities not listed and if someone is more than one minority, give them both discounts. Offer it free to Islamic terrorist since they are the most oppressed group right now.

Make sure you repost again before you actually do this. Maybe we can get you some press and go over your signs and press pieces?

I'm excited!!! Wish I could be there!

23 posted on 02/10/2004 10:15:49 PM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Raymann
My usual way for dealing with confrontations with crazed liberals is to get up in their face

Well, I guess you can expect to get what you give. If I were to get in someones face, I would expect the same reaction someone will get if they do that to me. It wouldn't be pretty.

24 posted on 02/10/2004 10:23:32 PM PST by paul51
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To: WhiteChristianCons; luvbach1
are you guys kidding??

anti-affirmative action bake sales are all the rage

25 posted on 02/10/2004 10:42:00 PM PST by GeronL (www.ArmorforCongress.com ............... Support a FReeper for Congress)
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To: AlbertWang
Maybe they can have an affirmative action bungee cord jump from 50 feet... whites are given the 60 foot cords...
26 posted on 02/10/2004 10:43:27 PM PST by GeronL (www.ArmorforCongress.com ............... Support a FReeper for Congress)
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To: Raymann
chocolate chip!!!
27 posted on 02/10/2004 10:46:08 PM PST by GeronL (www.ArmorforCongress.com ............... Support a FReeper for Congress)
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To: Raymann
I hope you let us know how it went. You are on the side of truth, and truth is a funny thing, all you have to do is tell it and there is wailing and gnashing of teeth. Let the detractors lose it while you stay above it all, only answering questions that are put to you calmly.
28 posted on 02/10/2004 10:54:16 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Raymann
My suggestion would be to have fun with it and keep smiling.

I'm excited for you, it should be a very interesting experience.

; - )
29 posted on 02/10/2004 11:00:40 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Why not go out on a limb, isn't that where the fruit is?)
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To: Raymann
Talk to "Dan" his bake sale went well.

If you can't reach Dan, talk to Rush for Rush was an integral part of Dan's bake sale success. ; )

30 posted on 02/10/2004 11:07:38 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Raymann
Be sure to have video camera with you to have the event recorded, or have your fellow organizers bring one if you can't get your hands on one. You'll need it in case any lefties decide to get violent. (the video camera just muight serve as a deterrent to violence, as the lefties do not like having their violence evidenced on tape.) It's an irritation to hear about yet another example of leftists committing violence to shut people up, and the victims later saying "Damn, we should have had a VIDEO CAMERA."
31 posted on 02/10/2004 11:22:16 PM PST by lowbridge (I can think of a punishment worse than death for Saddam, but Hillary is already married.)
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To: Trueblackman
ping
32 posted on 02/10/2004 11:37:00 PM PST by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: WhiteChristianCons
a pro affirmative action bake sale held by RINO students.

You're not up on the latest news. These are NOT RINOs, this is a grassroots effort by College Republicans on many campuses to demonstrate how unfair affirmative action is.

A hotly debated issue here in Colorado, as CU-Boulder officials have vowed to shut down the bake sale being hosted by their College Republicans. College Republicans were going to court to get an injunction against the University.

A local news station had the president of CU-Boulder College Republicans on the radio last night. Liberal students called in to protest, but their hypocrisy was evident to all but themselves:

"It just feels like it should be illegal!"

"Affirmative Action is good racism!"

On and on it went. The host very effectively countered them on each point.

33 posted on 02/10/2004 11:37:58 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: Raymann
Just tell them you want to he'p the poor people buy cookies.
34 posted on 02/11/2004 1:01:39 AM PST by Stallone (Guess who Al Qaeda wants to be President?)
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To: Raymann
A roll of quarters packed in a muffin works well for me.

;-D

35 posted on 02/11/2004 3:08:25 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Raymann; mhking; Trueblackman; cyborg; rabidralph
Suggest you consult with some resident experts here.
36 posted on 02/11/2004 4:41:03 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: Raymann
So what can I do?.....................................................


............Toga Party !
37 posted on 02/11/2004 4:45:01 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: Raymann; mhking; cyborg; Trueblackman; rabidralph
You will be called a "race traitor."

You will be called an "Oreo."

You will be called a "Uncle Tom."

You will be called a "racist."

You will be called a "Clarence Thomas."

You will be told that "you must be ashamed of your blackness."

Gird yourself. It's coming.

38 posted on 02/11/2004 4:45:42 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: sauropod
College is for studying and getting good grades.
39 posted on 02/11/2004 5:42:32 AM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
College is for studying and getting good grades.

Boy am I glad I went in the 70's.... Kids today!

40 posted on 02/11/2004 5:48:40 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
LOL... sorry I was raised by two fuddy duddys :D
41 posted on 02/11/2004 5:49:20 AM PST by cyborg
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To: Raymann
Thanks for all the advice, taking a video camera is definitely a good idea. But this is a very liberal campus so I'm going to take a lot of crap from the leftists anyway. Anyway, we're running this like most of the other previous bake sales around the country so I'm expecting similar results. So just in case I'll bring a role of quarters. :)
42 posted on 02/11/2004 9:43:12 AM PST by Raymann
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To: GeronL
Didn't he say affirmative action bakesale, not anti?
43 posted on 02/11/2004 10:07:48 AM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: FairOpinion
I needn't apologize. He said "affirmative action bakesale" not anti.
44 posted on 02/11/2004 10:11:02 AM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: luvbach1
"He said "affirmative action bakesale" not anti."

==

That is how those things are referred to. You weren't familiar with it, and there is nothing wrong with that, but you did go and start insulting everyone, unjustly.
45 posted on 02/11/2004 10:40:39 AM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Hobsonphile
Rightism on campus ping.
46 posted on 02/11/2004 11:47:26 AM PST by Coleus (Vote for Bush and Traditional Marriage; http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4205947/)
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To: Raymann
I look forward to hearing about the results.

If it is relatively reasonable debate...no problem. But be prepared for 'problems'.

1) People have already suggested a video camera. I would make this subtle, such as from a nearby window. If people act up, you can prove that you did not start it. It is a defensive necessity (in case of accusations of violence) but also makes great evidence for people who were not physically there. If there are really good parts, you can edit it into the 'highlights' and circulate it around campus.

2) I would also suggest a tape recorder, probably on the table, under a basket or something. Liberals say really nasty things...and it is fun to be able to prove that they are often racists. Most colleges don't have a TV station, but most do have a radio station.

3) When they start shouting, use signs to make your points. Have lots of signs ready, it may become your primary means of making your case. I think a photo of a liberal screaming at a black man holding a sign that says "I neither want nor need racial favortism to compete with the likes of you" would make a great front page photo for the school paper.

4) Have a photographer, or at least a camera handy. Pictures can make or break the story in the paper...most likely the school paper will try to find one that makes you look bad. Make sure that they also at least get the shots that make you look great.

4) Make sure any required 'permits' are in order.

5) Have a copy of the Constitution and Bill of Rights handy. Hand it to administrators if they try to shut you down.

Bottom line: make it count. A lot will depend on how you conduct yourselves at the event. A lot of your effectiveness will depend on publicity after the event. Most likely the 'media' will be hostile to you. Make sure that you can feed them with material that is good for your postion as well.
47 posted on 02/11/2004 12:12:35 PM PST by blanknoone
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To: Raymann
I'm a UCSD student and I've never heard of these bake sales... You've definitely got b@lls for doing it, but it sure does sound like a lot of fun... Good luck!
48 posted on 02/11/2004 12:21:12 PM PST by Serb5150
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To: Sloth
Agreed. Video Cams are our friends ;)
49 posted on 02/11/2004 12:26:10 PM PST by Libertina
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To: FairOpinion
Your opinion is not fair. I did not insult everyone unjustly because I had no way of knowing that it was commonly referred to incorrectly as affirmative action when what was meant was anti-affirmative action. It was no insult to point out the apparent contradiction. That's like saying "I could care less" when you mean "I couldn't care less".
50 posted on 02/11/2004 1:09:37 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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