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Old Harvard Crimson Interview Reveals A More Radical John Kerry [MUST READ]
The Harvard Crimson ^ | Feb 11, 2004 | ZACHARY M. SEWARD

Posted on 02/11/2004 6:15:16 AM PST by nwrep

Ten months after returning home from Vietnam, a young John Kerry strolled into the offices of The Harvard Crimson on Feb. 13, 1970 as an obscure underdog in the Democratic Congressional primary.

The decorated veteran, honorably discharged after a tour of duty in the Mekong Delta, spoke in fierce terms during his daylong interview with The Crimson’s Samuel Z. Goldhaber ’72.

But almost 34 years later, Kerry’s remarks on American military and intelligence operations vastly diverge from opinions expressed by the present-day Sen. John F. Kerry, D.-Mass., the leading candidate in the Democratic primary for president.

“I’m an internationalist,” Kerry told The Crimson in 1970. “I’d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.”

Kerry said he wanted “to almost eliminate CIA activity. The CIA is fighting its own war in Laos and nobody seems to care.”

The Kerry campaign, celebrating primary victories in Virginia and Tennessee last night, declined to comment on the senator’s remarks.

As a candidate for president, Kerry has said he supports the autonomy of the U.S. military and has never called for a scale-back of CIA operations.

Former Secretary of Labor Robert B. Reich defended Kerry’s 1970 statements as appropriate for their time.

“In the context of the Vietnam War, those comments are completely understandable,” said Reich, who has endorsed Kerry.

But a spokesperson for President Bush’s reelection campaign said Kerry’s 1970 remarks signaled the senator’s weakness on defense.

“President Bush will never cede the best interests of the national security of the American people to anybody but the president of the United States, along with the Congress,” said the spokesperson, Kevin A. Madden.

The increasingly likely matchup between Kerry and Bush has already prompted comparisons of the senator’s record in Vietnam and the president’s domestic service in the National Guard. And the two Yale graduates, both members of the secret society Skull and Bones, appeared set to square off in future months under the specter of the ongoing war in Iraq.

Goldhaber, whose first-person profile of Kerry ran in The Crimson Feb. 18, 1970, said yesterday he recalled the candidate as an emerging outsider whose campaign focused squarely on his opposition to the Vietnam War.

“We lived, dreamed and breathed Vietnam,” Goldhaber said.

Still, Adam Clymer ’58, political director of the National Annenberg Election Survey at the University of Pennsylvania, said Kerry’s comments would likely find their way into Bush campaign materials.

“If I were them, I’d use this,” said Clymer, a former Crimson president. “I’d use it in direct mail.”

Kerry’s conservative opponents have already begun painting the Massachusetts senator and former deputy governor as an elite, New England liberal, and his 21-year voting record in the Senate may provide considerable ammunition.

Madden said the Bush campaign would highlight Kerry’s Senate votes should he win the Democratic nomination.

And Reich forecasted G.O.P. research would extend far beyond Capitol Hill.

“If Kerry is the nominee, Republicans will try and search back into everything he ever said on every issue,” Reich predicted.

Kerry’s 1970 remarks to Goldhaber portray a fiery, novice politician inspired by his opposition to the Vietnam War.

“He struck me as very ambitious,” Goldhaber said yesterday. “He struck me as the sort of person—even back then, newly returned from Vietnam—who was thinking about running for president.”


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1970; 2004; crimson; electionpresident; harvard; kerry; kerryhypocracy; kerryrecord; vietnam
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1 posted on 02/11/2004 6:15:18 AM PST by nwrep
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To: *Election President; backhoe; My2Cents; PhiKapMom; Salvation; mickie; ALOHA RONNIE; ...
PING
2 posted on 02/11/2004 6:17:13 AM PST by nwrep
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To: nwrep
Kerry is an opportunist and a gigalo, with an altered face.

A scumbag.
3 posted on 02/11/2004 6:17:50 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: Squantos; Atlantic Friend; nwrep
Kerry said he wanted “to almost eliminate CIA activity. The CIA is fighting its own war in Laos and nobody seems to care.”

Red and black rivers ping.

4 posted on 02/11/2004 6:23:01 AM PST by risk
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To: nwrep
“I’m an internationalist - I’d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.” - John Kerry

Too bad. I already checked and it’s too long to be my new tagline.

5 posted on 02/11/2004 6:25:17 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: nwrep
Rove and Company are going to shred this loser.
7 posted on 02/11/2004 6:27:40 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: nwrep
Has anyone else noticed that the "honorable" John Kerry never seems to have left Vietnam. How come the honorable stopped at the discharge?
9 posted on 02/11/2004 6:29:09 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: dead
No kidding............this will be fun to watch and I will be MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP!!!!!!!
11 posted on 02/11/2004 6:30:23 AM PST by soozla (BUSH/CHENEY 2004**Delivering US from EVIL since 9-11-2001**)
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To: nwrep
Immolated By History Bump
12 posted on 02/11/2004 6:38:36 AM PST by timpad ("We are thankful that Liberty has found such brave defenders" - W)
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To: Seamonster
Ford made the Blackmail issue this morning on FOX.

I nearly threw my half-eaten bowl of oatmeal at the TV when I heard that scumbag.

AS IF the 'rats would actually honor such an agreement...puuuh-leeeze!

13 posted on 02/11/2004 6:46:07 AM PST by AngryJawa (It Is Not One World...)
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To: nwrep

Kerry’s 1970 remarks to Goldhaber portray a fiery, novice politician inspired by his opposition to the Vietnam War.

“He struck me as very ambitious,” Goldhaber said yesterday. “He struck me as the sort of person—even back then, newly returned from Vietnam—who was thinking about running for president.”

He probably thought the country would be completely Frenchified by now, eh?

14 posted on 02/11/2004 6:46:44 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: SpinyNorman
The last time John Kerry had a patriotic thought was 1970. I don't question his patriotism -- I know it doesn't exist.
15 posted on 02/11/2004 6:48:44 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track)
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To: dead
just checking...
16 posted on 02/11/2004 6:54:58 AM PST by Paul_B (Im an internationalist - Id like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the direct)
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To: nwrep
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17 posted on 02/11/2004 6:55:11 AM PST by Fixit (c) Yah, like any one would copy this! ;-)
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To: nwrep
BUMP!
18 posted on 02/11/2004 7:03:22 AM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Hunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The last time John Kerry had a patriotic thought was 1970

I think your kindness is a stretch.

This self-serving pr!ck served, but probably not from patriotism. It is much more likely it was with an eye to his own political future. Sure, he saw some combat duty, but it is unlikely it changed his already-made-up mind on The War. He was just getting his ticket punched, including gathering a string of purple hearts for wounds no worse paper cuts.

This man is nothing but an opportunist - always has been, always will be.

19 posted on 02/11/2004 7:05:34 AM PST by Gritty ("Kerry spent the Seventies playing Jane Fonda and he now wants to run as John Wayne"-Mark Steyn)
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To: nwrep; All
Original interview here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1075941/posts
20 posted on 02/11/2004 7:08:18 AM PST by amordei
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To: AngryJawa
Ford made the Blackmail issue this morning on FOX.

I didn't watch this a.m. -- what the heck did he mean? And which Ford?

21 posted on 02/11/2004 7:09:01 AM PST by Elkiejg (Clintons and Democrats have ruined America)
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To: nwrep
“In the context of the Vietnam War, those comments are completely understandable,” said Reich

Yeah, and Hitler was great for making the trains run on time too. It's all in the context, you know.

22 posted on 02/11/2004 7:10:44 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: nwrep
His remarks were appropriate for the time???

Then how come his votes kiling the CIA funding confirm these remarks more than 30 years later???
24 posted on 02/11/2004 7:14:24 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: nwrep
Kerry said he wanted “to almost eliminate CIA activity.

Oh my. Lot's of good stuff on the forum today ;-)

25 posted on 02/11/2004 7:15:03 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: nwrep
After reading this I have decided that our new slogan has to be either one of the following "Scary Kerry" or "Kerry is Scary" and based upon this tidbit, he really IS.
26 posted on 02/11/2004 7:15:35 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: nwrep
And so it start!!!

Do you hear that sound, Mr. Kerry? That is the sound of inevitability.

27 posted on 02/11/2004 7:21:46 AM PST by CWW (The Passion -- See it, then live it!)
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To: nwrep
Good find!

I saw another article refer to the old Harvard Crimson article, but I am glad the HC decided to revisit it also.

Another statement deserves to be put in red (but I am not proficient enough in HTML to do it)

"Kerry said he wanted “to almost eliminate CIA activity"

And this is the guy who wants to be president during these critical times?!
28 posted on 02/11/2004 7:31:03 AM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: dead
How about if you shorten it?

"I’d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the UN.” - Kerry
29 posted on 02/11/2004 7:33:42 AM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: dead
How about this tagline, then?
30 posted on 02/11/2004 7:34:53 AM PST by dirtboy (John Kerry - talking out both ends of the horse since 1970...)
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To: Elkiejg
I didn't watch this a.m. -- what the heck did he mean? And which Ford?

Rep. Harold Ford D-TN. He was on F&F basically shooting his mouth off about how we should "just move on" regarding Kerry's antiwar antics. If we do that, he says, the 'rats won't make ans issue of GWB's National Guard service. His tone and wording were absolutely nasty.

If he thinks conservatives actually believe that the 'rats won't continue to beat this dead horse regardless of any "agreement", he's an absolute idiot.

31 posted on 02/11/2004 7:37:35 AM PST by AngryJawa (It Is Not One World...)
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To: Gritty; ClearCase_guy
He NEVER had a patriotic thought. While he was in Vietnam he compared the US help to S. Vietnam to German occupation of France!

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Here is a very long, but very insightful article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1057936/posts

Tour of Duty: John Kerry in Vietnam (very long)
The Atlantic Monthly ^ | December 2003 | Douglas Brinkley


Senator John F. Kerry often cites his service in Vietnam as a formative element of his character. A new account of his time there—based on interviews with those who knew him well, and on his never-before-published letters home and his voluminous "war notes"—offers the first intimate look at a traumatic and life-altering experience.


"He had been considering Germany's occupation of France during World War II, he added, when "a thought came to me that I didn't like—I felt more like the German than the doughboy who came over to make the world safe for democracy and who rightfully had a star in his eye."
32 posted on 02/11/2004 7:38:21 AM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: nwrep
“I’m an internationalist,” Kerry told The Crimson in 1970.

I think he meant to say, "Je suis Francais."

33 posted on 02/11/2004 7:38:50 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: AngryJawa
Thanks for the info. Hey Ford......put a sock in it. You all started this - we'll finish it!!
34 posted on 02/11/2004 7:41:13 AM PST by Elkiejg (Clintons and Democrats have ruined America)
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To: dead
Dead -can you show me how to add a tag-line? Thanks
35 posted on 02/11/2004 7:44:05 AM PST by NYC Republican
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To: NYC Republican
Click on Post Reply and type in the field marked Tagline.

(That was the easiest job I had all day.)

36 posted on 02/11/2004 7:54:12 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: nwrep; amordei
And here is the link to the actual full interview from the Harvard Crimson from 2/18/1970, courtesy of FReeper amordei.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1075941/posts


John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress [Original Interiew]
Harvard Crimson ^ | 2/18/1970 | Crimosn Staff Writer


Posted on 02/11/2004 7:07:14 AM PST by amordei


Excerpt:

"When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy. The Navy assigned him to the USS Gridley which between December 1966 and July 1968 saw four months of action off the Vietnam coast. In August through November, 1968, Kerry was trained to be the skipper of a patrol boat for Vietnamese rivers. For the next five months, until April of 1969, Kerry was the commanding Lieutenant of a patrol boat in the Mekong Delta.

He was wounded slightly on three different occasions and received a Silver Star for bravery. His patrol boat took part in Operation Sealords, mostly scouting out Viet Cong villages and transporting South Vietnamese marines to various destinations up and down narrow rivers covered with heavy foliage on either side.

One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies, and better educational facilities. "

"On other issues, Kerry wants "to almost eliminate CIA activity. The CIA is fighting its own war in Laos and nobody seems to care." He also favors a negative income tax and keeping unemployment at a very low level, "even if it means selective economic controls."


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P.S. Don't you get court martialed for disobeying orders from your superiors in the military?

"One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies, and better educational facilities."


37 posted on 02/11/2004 7:56:33 AM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: nwrep
Most of us have done something in our youth that we regret and that we hope never shows up on the cover of a tabloid.

Few of us, however, can match Kut and Run Kerry's record of doing things calculated to appear noble, only to later disown them as tragic and misguided errors.

Take, for example, Kerry's military service. There is absolutely nothing in Kerry's history that suggests he ever thought of military service as anything but a resume enhancer. Anyone who's initials are JFK and who paled around with the real JFK could not help but notice that the legend of PT109 helped Kennedy's political career.

So we may assume that the man who copied Kennedy's initials was not above copying his military career, right down to the choice of assignments -- Small U.S. Navy boat -- and the choice of duty assignments: notch up a medal or two for heroism, save a comrade under fire, collect just the right number of "wounds" to earn a transfer out of combat. Kut and Run.

All of this would seem like fairly sensible behavior for most people. Service was an obligation. To have fulfilled it honorably is enough. But not for Kerry. He returned to an America that was quite different from Kennedy's. Vietnam combat experience, particularly if it included chasing down and killing an effectively unarmed enemy soldier, was not a resume enhancer.

So how to resolve this dilemma? Fortunately for Kerry there was an out, a twelve step plan for recovering veterans, the antiwar movement. At this point in Kerry's political life, a miracle occurs. LBJ decides not to run for reelection, and the Republicans take charge of the war.

Look at this miracle from Kerry's point of view. He is the reincarnation of JFK. He has all the family connections, he is a genuine war hero, but his service is tainted. The war is political poison. But now the real enemy is in power and the war that was conceived by Kennedy and escalated by Johnson is being run by Nixon. This is the perfect time to take to the streets with Jane Fonda.

All this propels Kerry into congress. The perfect timing that gives Kerry the right to claim both sides of the street. And now, thirty some years later, he has another dilemma. The country's mood has shifted again, and he has to revert to being a war hero.

This is risky, because he has spoken of the war as a criminal activity. He has avoided all discussion of the events leading to his combat medals. He has avoided discussion of his Purple Hearts, and the Band-Aid wounds that earned them.

The dilemma is this: which is the Smeagol Kerry and which is the Gollum Kerry? Is the good guy the one who served honorably in the war, or the one who blew the whistle on war crimes, including possibly, his own?

Few of us can picture ourselves in this situation. All the things we did in our youth that were calculated for political gain, now rattle about like tin drums, symbols of an empty man, a Band-Aid soldier, who never did anything or took a stand on any issue without first putting his Purple Heart hangnailed finger to the wind. But this is in fact, the real man, a hollow protuberance of the left wing anti-American Left. His only goal is to obtain power. He will do anything or say anything that furthers this aim. And right now, Smeagol and Gollum are on stage together, for all to see.
38 posted on 02/11/2004 7:56:35 AM PST by js1138
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To: dead
Thanks! After over 4,000 posts on FR, you would have thought I'd know that already...
42 posted on 02/11/2004 8:03:37 AM PST by NYC Republican
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To: NYer; Aquinasfan
from...The Kerry Files.
43 posted on 02/11/2004 8:04:47 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: nwrep
This is a great example of why lurch is doomed. In the past, we would have had to rely on the ( ha ha ha) ratmedia to dig this stuff up. Now with the Net, talk radio and FOXtv we can do it ourselves. The power of the ratmedia to say"This is news. This is not news. This goes on the air, that will never see the light of day." are OVER.
44 posted on 02/11/2004 8:08:23 AM PST by jmaroneps37 ( lurch is dukakis with the eyebrows hacked off. That's the only difference.)
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To: laffercurve
The GOP should hope that Kerry and his operatives (both on his payroll and in the mainstream media) continue to harp on Bush's National Guard record. This makes his big time antiwar activist role fair game. Reminding voters of his "longhair dope-smoking maggot" days will not endear him to the Rust Belt voters he needs to hold to carry Gore states like IL, MI, and PA, and pick up states like OH and WV that would put him over the top. The best depiction of these blue collar and lower end white collar Baby Boomers' Vietnam era experience was the movie "The Deer Hunter" and not "The Big Chill."

If Kerry has a chance of winning, he must, like Clinton in 1992, focus away from the social issues and repeat the "It's the economy, stupid" mantra that worked so well for Der Slickmeister.

45 posted on 02/11/2004 8:18:17 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: nwrep
"The CIA is fighting its own war in Laos and nobody seems to care."

Wrong you commie rat, some did care - that's why we were fighting there. But you probably admired the Pathet Lao for their 'struggle against the oppressors', right - you maggot. And John how'd you forget to mention our Cambodia missions? Or were you saving that for a future anti-american pro-communist tirade? And is it true John that Pol Pot contributed to your first political campaign? You know John, if you released all your records for the past 35 years you could clear up that question.

For the 'youngsters' here; Pol Pot

46 posted on 02/11/2004 8:20:21 AM PST by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: AngryJawa
Harold Ford is a nasty piece of work. He gets invited on the shows because he takes on the character of a "reasonable moderate democrat" but he is not. Do not trust anything this man says.
47 posted on 02/11/2004 8:22:22 AM PST by babaloo
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To: nwrep
I said a lot of stupid things when I was 24 too. I think his congressional voting record will be far more damaging. He has a higher liberal rating than Ted Kennedy. And the fact that he was one of only 14 dissenters on the Defense of Marriage Act, in spite of the fact that "everybody knows I'm against homosexual marriage," is going to cost him.
48 posted on 02/11/2004 8:25:37 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: AngryJawa
If we do that, he says, the 'rats won't make ans issue of GWB's National Guard service.

OK, now I get the National Guard thing.

49 posted on 02/11/2004 8:28:09 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Condor51
bttt
50 posted on 02/11/2004 8:32:24 AM PST by prognostigaator
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