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What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda
self | February 11, 2004 | little jeremiah

Posted on 02/11/2004 9:00:13 PM PST by little jeremiah

What We Can Do To Defeat The "Gay" Agenda

Dear Fellow Freepers,

The following informal essay has two parts, the first consisting of ideas of what individuals or small groups can do to help thwart, roll back, defeat and otherwise throw a monkey wrench into the onslaught of the "gay" agenda and their stated goal to destroy the moral fabric of society. I am hoping that discussion will ensue, with theoretical ideas as well as accomplished plans. Information and knowledge are the key. Since most people just watch TV and read the establishment media, which are lapdogs of the "gay" elite, they just do not know the truth about homosexuality.

The second part is my analysis of the root cause of the homosexual movement, going a bit deeper than environment and molestation. It is "religious" or "spiritual" in aspect, so anyone who wishes to avoid that type of discussion can avoid it! This analysis is germane to the cure, not only of the homosexual agenda, but the untrammeled hedonism and libertinism of which homosexuality is the poster child.

[Note: I am not attempting to recap the immediate causes of homosexuality, or prove that it is not inborn, or give evidence as to why same sex acts are abnormal, unhealthy, or immoral, or to prove that homosexuals can change. FR already has hundreds of archived articles of this nature.]

Part One: Ideas on Promoting the Truth about Homosexuality

A friend of ours homeschools her children, so as to protect them from the horrible influence of public schools, instill her personal moral values, and give them the best education possible. She knew that homosexuality was unhealthy, immoral, and unnatural, but until I gave her books and booklets I purchased from Scott Lively's website ( she was not able to articulate her viewpoint. After studying the materials I provided, she became a one-woman task force, gave her elderly father books to read, and shared the books with the charter/homeschool teacher. The teacher, who also had not been very well-informed, had her mind blown (so to speak) and ordered more materials for herself, and placed a link to Lively's website on her personal website. Lively has a number of very informative booklets that can be purchased in bulk cheap, and they are great for distributing. So because I informed one friend, many others have been informed. This particular charter school is all for homeschooled children, and there are about 500 families involved.

By purchasing Lively's materials (or reprints from other groups such as NAARTH and the Family Research Council) and making them available at your church, synagogue or other house of worship, many people can become informed. Materials can be purchased and mailed or given to pastors at other churches, or any organization or club that you belong to.

I have found that if I talk to people in the line at the grocery store, or the cashier, often people are happy to find that others have the same viewpoint, but they are afraid to admit that they think same sex acts to be unhealthy or wrong. Just by speaking up in public, we can encourage others to think for themselves, and not be intimidated by social pressure.

Of course, letters can be written to newspapers (they've never printed one of mine!), legislators, and media people. We could try calling up local talk radio shows to tell the truth or attend school board meetings to protest the homosexual infiltration of the schools. Of course, by doing any of these things we will be "outing" ourselves as homophobes ;-) but that's the risk one takes by speaking the truth.

And then there are guerilla tactics: print up some fact sheets about the nature of and diseases spread by homosexual acts, statistics about molestation rates, etc - make them colorful and readable, and broadcast them about town. Laudromats, bulletin boards in stores, public facilities, rest stops, community college or other educational institutions, any place you can find. Good places would be where there is a lot of foot traffic, especially where high school kids can see them. High schools kids are really being targeted by homosexual activists, so the more they can see the truth, the better.

Another post-it tactic: make or obtain stickers with the names and phone numbers of organizations that help people overcome homosexuality, and stick them near high schools, colleges, downtowns, and so on. You never know whose life might change because of one phone call. Or, place ads in the classified ads section of local newspapers or weekly magazines with the same information.

Other promotional ideas are bumper stickers (make you own, or maybe someone knows where to order pro-family stickers). Ideas for slogans: Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve; Marriage=One Man+One Woman; Children Need a Mother and Father, Not Two of a Kind; Same Sex Acts Are Not Healthy For Living Things; Want to get AIDS? Be Gay!; Don't confuse "Exit" with "Entry"; Don't Mess With Marriage; "Gay" Sex Isn't Gay…. These could also be signs in car windows, yard signs, signs held at rallies.

Protest at "Gay Pride" Parades. If protesting at such public events, wear protective clothing and go in groups, carry antiseptic handwipes and have a camera and maybe tape recorder. No telling what might ensue. Here's an idea that someone freepmailed to me, and it sounds good:

"I have an idea I'd like to pass your way. I suggest that we get permits to set up tables in front of (or near) our respective churches/synagogues along the local "Pride" parade routes this coming June, with literature about reparative therapy. Each table should also have someone there to document all the juvenile insults and threats thrown our way on a videocam, and send copies of the films to the local tv news to include as part of their coverage."

These are just a few ideas. Let's hear yours!

Part Two: The Root Cause of Homosexuality

Everyone needs happiness, love and pleasure. These needs stem directly from the soul, and get interpreted through the body - think of how many people eat because they are lonely, depressed, or in anxiety. A healthy balanced person will eat when hungry, and when in need of companionship will turn to a relative, friend, or even pet for company. The need for love is really paramount, a deeper need than the bodily requirements. What hurts more, a broken heart, or a hungry stomach? Our culture has denied the fact - basic to all religions (probably a few exceptions, but this is not the debate here) - that human beings even have souls, what to speak of the needs of the soul. In fact, the accepted "scientifically based" theory is that humans are just machines, made of chemicals, evolved by accident, and the "self" doesn’t even really exist. In an atmosphere of such impersonal nihilism, it is natural that many people will be easily convinced that real love, real happiness, real heart to heart connection, don't exist.

What can take its place? Instant pleasure. Shopping. Drug and alcohol abuse. Or, most seductive of all, orgasms. And since the sexual organs have no conscience, a wide variety of options is available to people who have been convinced that God doesn't exist, there are no rules - or higher purpose - to life, and instant gratification is the only yardstick to measure happiness with.

There are two kinds of happiness - the kind that comes from the outside - eating, sex, comforts, and the devices or arrangements that facilitate such, as well as more intangible pleasures such as accomplishments, goals achieved, music, arts, learning, and so on. The second kind of happiness comes only from within the heart, and this happiness is our relationship with God. Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is within us, and the same truth is stated in Hindu scriptures (the Vedas) as well. A surrendered soul can experience the loving embrace of God anywhere, any time - if he truly desires and strives for this loving relationship. The experience that God is my best friend, my only refuge, my source of happiness, and indeed, the very foundation for and purpose of my existence - is the only real meaning of religion. Currently, in many religions, the concept that God is a real Person is left out, glossed over, He is described as an amorphous mystery, or that "we are God", or that He is just energy or a force. But according to Jesus, the teachings in the Old Testament, and the teachings of the Vedas, re-establishing a loving relationship with the Supreme Person is the only thing that will fill the emptiness in our hearts. If this knowledge is denied, as in most of our culture, people will seek to fill this void by any means at hand. And if the moral absolutes that are part of God's instructions to humanity are tossed out, then anything goes. If sexual pleasure is the goal of life, and there are no eternal moral truths, then there is no reason to not accept same sex acts, or, for that matter, any kind of sexual activity.

Therefore, the real antidote to the "gay" agenda, as well as the breakdown of civilization it heralds, is the spiritual awakening of many individuals, and the understanding that such an awakening is not only important but essential.

TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: culturewar; culturewars; gayagenda; glsen; homonazi; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; prisoners; profamilyactivism; romans1
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To: little jeremiah
Your philosophy is well thought through and logically consistent.
101 posted on 02/18/2004 2:00:24 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (arabed - verb: lower in esteem; hurt the pride of [syn: mortify, chagrin, humble, abase, humiliate])
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To: little jeremiah

No problem. Your first pass spelling did not detract from your message in the least.

102 posted on 02/18/2004 2:02:12 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (arabed - verb: lower in esteem; hurt the pride of [syn: mortify, chagrin, humble, abase, humiliate])
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To: Jeff Gordon
Thanks - it's a topic I've given a lot of thought and prayer to.
103 posted on 02/18/2004 3:07:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone isn't entitled to be right.)
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To: little jeremiah
Are you referring to my messages here, or my story of ten years ago? As far as I am concerned, Phelps is a crazy wicked man.

I don't recall ever reading your "story of ten years ago" and I certainly didn't mean to imply that anything you posted above sounded like Fred Phelps.

I was just pointing out that there's a fine line between effectively countering the gay agenda, and coming off as meanspirited and just plain offensive which ultimately is counterproductive.

For example I thought some of your suggested slogans were good, but thought others would just be inflamatory.

104 posted on 02/18/2004 3:45:04 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge
The story from ten years ago is up the thread a little.

I can understand your concern about "inflammatory" bumper stickers and such. But after reading many of the links EdReform and scripter post here, especially about the homosexual indoctrination and recruitment in schools, I'm feeling pretty damn mean spirited. Have you read those links - about the GSLEN clubs in school, Fistgate and so on? It's a war. It's not a square dance.
105 posted on 02/18/2004 5:12:36 PM PST by little jeremiah (everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone isn't entitled to be right.)
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To: VxH
=== Clever rationalization.

I'm not rationalizing ANYTHING. I'm speaking to what IS.

Heterosexuals -- availing themselves of both the "right" to contraception as well as the "right" to manufacture children at will -- have rendered themselves essentially equal to homosexuals.

They are not obligating themselves -- by virtue of their very conjugal union -- to responsibility for ANY child that issues therefrom. Like homosexuals, they have claimed for themselves the Freedom to Choose whether or not sexual relations will be procreative, whether or not marriage is a lifetime obligation and whether or not children have the right to be born of their natural parents ... absent the immoral technologies which leave a slew of siblings suspended in liquid nitrogen and ripe for the harvesting by those profiteers who provided our President his already-been-killed embryos and who intend California to become the premiere supplier of human life conceived strictly for purposes of harvesting stem cells.

It's you who have the onus of proving to me that there is some essential distinction between the heterosexual couple and the homosexual one at this point.

To my knowledge, only the Covenant Marriage in Louisiana stands as a distinctly Christian confection of a marriage contract ... not only for its clear relation to Family but also its revoking upfront any of the "no fault" ease with which most marriages are dissolved these days once one or another of the partners fails to feel fulfilled where their "right to be happy" is concerned.

I'm not defending homosexuality in the least. I'm simply pointing out the FACT that the games has already been forfeit in advance by the very individuals -- like some on this thread -- who wish to eat their cake and have it too by enjoying all the trappings of birth control and artificial reproduction, pre-nup agreements and "no fault" divorce which rendered them essentially equal to homosexuals in the first place yet claiming that they are yet distinct from homosexuals because (God forbid!!) their birth control doesn't always work like it should.
106 posted on 02/18/2004 8:36:09 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Askel5
>> I'm simply pointing out the FACT that the games has already been forfeit in advance by the very individuals

See C.S. Lewis' essay "The poison of subjectivism".

Scripture, not human behavior, is the standard by which morality is measured.

God has made it quite clear in His Word that marriage is between a man and a woman. He also made it clear that homosexuality is an abomination.

It's much simpler than you insist on making it...

Sola Scriptura.
107 posted on 02/18/2004 8:57:38 PM PST by VxH (This species has amused itself to death.)
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To: little jeremiah
This is a great article!
I think the hardest part about the homosexual issue is that the media and society really have adopted the 'born that way' mantra. I live in the San Fran bay area, and have a few gay friends. and it has been difficult for me to realize that every one of them are that way because of the parenting they got. The abusive and neglecting father turned the sons gay, the abscent and neglectful mother turned the girls lesbian.

I know this is not what this thread wants to get into, so I won't start this debate. But I do think this is critical to the 'heterosexual rights movement'. ;-)
108 posted on 02/18/2004 9:39:39 PM PST by sfRummygirl (
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yes, it probably will take a lot of work on our part. But we gotta stop being silent.
109 posted on 02/18/2004 9:41:39 PM PST by sfRummygirl (
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To: VxH
Ah, "sola scriptura" is it? You're quoting Luther ... a fellow who felt himself equal to editing the Word?

Look ... no offense, but I don't have time to waste with bibliolators who claim a literal obedience to Scripture save for the part where Christ himself said: This IS my body, this IS my blood. DO THIS in memory of me.

If you wish to talk about what constitutes a Christian marriage ... all well and good. I'm sure we're in agreement ... save for the part where we keep it to a reasonable number of children, each perfectly Planned with an assist from CONTRA-ceptives.

But where we're speaking of Civil Marriage ... I refuse to pretend that sanction by the same State which sanctions abortion, birth control, for-profit childsex porn as "Free Speech" and a host of other atrocities somehow confers legitimacy on a union.

At this point, Christians would be better off to abandon civil unions entirely and found their authority STRICTLY and solely in a Christian construct ... not some egalitarian horror show which indeed has deconstructed heterosexual marriage such that homosexuals could claim "equality".
110 posted on 02/18/2004 9:42:14 PM PST by Askel5
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To: little jeremiah
That's another thing I want to point out. Of all the male gay couples I have known, about 10-15 of them that are 'married', not a ONE of those couples even try to be monogamous. They just admit that two men together can't do it.
111 posted on 02/18/2004 9:44:55 PM PST by sfRummygirl (
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To: Askel5
>>save for the part where Christ himself said: This IS my body, this IS my blood. DO THIS in memory of me.
Those are the words used in the Lutheran (LCMS) Communion sacrament - as per scripture:
Matt 26:26-29
26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." 
27 Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom." 
(from New International Version)

112 posted on 02/18/2004 10:08:41 PM PST by VxH (This species has amused itself to death.)
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To: Jorge
yes, this is true. I mean, not only is that hateful and awful, but it's not even true. The "God Hates Fags" is terrible.
113 posted on 02/18/2004 10:15:29 PM PST by sfRummygirl (
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To: little jeremiah
You know, you are very thoughtful and convey your suggestions well on this forum! I think you could help tremendously with all this. Please keep posting this issue on FR.
114 posted on 02/18/2004 10:20:27 PM PST by sfRummygirl (
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To: sfRummygirl
You are absolutely right about this being a key element in turning the tide against the atrocities heralded by "gay" marriage and the indoctrination of kids.

Homosexuality is not and never has been, and never will be, an inborn, inherited, carved-in-stone identity. It is a behavior pattern based on the misdirection of natural sexual desires. Sex desire gone bad. And when it goes bad, it ruins people and ultimately society, if not defeated.

Check out some books on this website, if you want to read more. Lively has put together some really good materials that help you to talk to people from their level. Of course, we all know what scripture says about homosexual acts (and not just the Bible, but all Judaic literature like the Talmud, and Hindu scripture, and even Buddhist teachings) but to people who don't have strong faith in God (or none) just scriptural quotes won't help them.

Lively has very, very good materials and actually tomorrow I'm going to type up and post a letter he's sent out. He and his law partner are one of the two legal entities fighting the "gay" marriage in SF.

Anyway, here's the link to his website:

This is just one page of the books they have available. For a great read, get "The Pink Swastika" - I couldn't put it down.

Here's a sample of some titles:

Defeating "Gay" Arguments With Simple Logic
Easy-to-use guidelines for winning the homosexual debate by exposing the hidden false assumptions and deceptive rhetoric of "gay" arguments.

Seven Steps To Recruit-Proof Your Child
A concise, practical guidebook for parents who wish to protect their children from pro-homoesxual indoctrination and the possibility of recruitment into the homosexual lifestyle.

The Pink Swastika: 4th Edition
The Pink Swastika is a thoroughly researched, eminently readable, demolition of the "gay" myth, symbolized by the pink triangle, that the Nazis were anti-homosexual.

The Poisoned Stream
Traces the "poisoned stream" of homosexual influences throughout history, particularly in Germany between 1890 and 1945.

Why and How To Defeat the 'Gay' Movement
A straightforward non-sectarian approach for rolling back the "gay" agenda...
115 posted on 02/18/2004 10:28:32 PM PST by little jeremiah (everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone isn't entitled to be right.)
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To: sfRummygirl
Thanks for your kind words.

Now if I could only get off my duff and DO something!

Seriously, if there's any kind of protests, rallies, or anything in SF or Sacramento, put it up here on this thread, and maybe elsewhere as well. I'll ping my list.

Put your thinking cap on - signs, street theater, costumes, we need to show the rest of America that we're not taking this lying down (or bending over, as the case may be)!

(sorry for the crude humor - but I didn't start this.)
116 posted on 02/18/2004 10:34:08 PM PST by little jeremiah (everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone isn't entitled to be right.)
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To: little jeremiah
This is unbelievable stuff. It boggles the mind how this can go on in this country. It's time to move on and leave this country behind. I am waiting on God to call me and my family out. A line has been crossed and this country is no longer safe for children or christians for that matter. It's time to pack up and let God send forth his destruction upon this wicked nation and it's purveyers of filth and wickedness. I have been feeling like we have become the Mystery, Babylon the Great whose judgement is prophesied in Revelations to come upon them in one hour. Now I am assured of this.
117 posted on 02/18/2004 10:36:09 PM PST by AppauledAtAppeasementConservat (An educated fool, in the end, is still a fool.)
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To: little jeremiah
thank you, I bookmarked these!
118 posted on 02/18/2004 10:38:00 PM PST by sfRummygirl (
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To: little jeremiah
If we do organize something, it needs to be structured by a group. This could get out of control, and bring too many of the "God Hates Fags" people. Like one of the church groups, or even James Dobson's group, or something. Plus FR. Hmm....
119 posted on 02/18/2004 10:40:50 PM PST by sfRummygirl (
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To: AppauledAtAppeasementConservat
I say it's time to pray, and then whatever we can to serve Truth with a capital "T".

Man proposes, God disposes. If we stand up for the truth, then the result is up to Him. We just have to be on the right side.
120 posted on 02/18/2004 10:47:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone isn't entitled to be right.)
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