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To: Askel5
I share your views about sexual immorality and degradation. Yet, I am reminded of people - conservatives, who don't want to vote for Bush because he isn't conservative enough. A vote for a third party candidate, or sitting out the election, only harms the conservative cause, increasing the possibility of Kerry or which jackass the Democraps pick, will win. At least with Bush, the behemoth may start turning around.

In a similar way, if people in general - who obviously don't have their morality as fine tuned as you do (or me, I basically agree with everything you say) can at least draw the line at same sex sodomy, there's a chance maybe their view of what is moral and what is not may become more and more enlightened. I don't think it useful to want all or nothing. The Queen Mary can't turn on a dime. Several generations of people accepting immorality as benign can't change overnight. At least if people wake up to the fact that two men ( or two women) commiting sodomy isn't and can't be "marriage", it's a start.

Also, there is something particularly vile about the ramming and cramming of homosexuality down kids' throats especially in school. It must be stopped.

30 posted on 02/11/2004 11:41:20 PM PST by little jeremiah (everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone isn't entitled to be right.)
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To: little jeremiah
I have read all you posted and it's true we are agreed in most respects. But not all. Particularly this one:

In a similar way, if people in general - who obviously don't have their morality as fine tuned as you do (or me, I basically agree with everything you say) can at least draw the line at same sex sodomy, there's a chance maybe their view of what is moral and what is not may become more and more enlightened. I don't think it useful to want all or nothing.

It is a great fallacy to believe that we can adopt the strategies of the enemy to serve our ends. Most can recognize the evil that is "the ends justify the means."

Few recognize the inherent evil of pragmatism ... a mindset so flawed in such an insidious fashion that the Left would have had to invent it (and it did) had it not existed as a vehicle by which the West would presume the powers of alchemy.

But "incrementalism" is understood as intrinsically flawed by even fewer still.

Truth does not work the same as falsehoods. Deceipt operates like the slow heating of water to make a pot of frogs boil before they know it. Truth is the dousing of cold water sufficient to stop the cooking -- of pasta, veggies or frogs -- in its tracks.

It's deceipt that comes upon a person like dusk -- one minute they still can read in the waning light, the next moment they are blind. But truth is like the sun which illuminates all the moment dawn's rosy fingertips break the horizon.

You cannot "incrementalize" people toward the truth. That's a bait and switch operation doomed to failure every bit as surely as the GOP's staunch defense of the "rape/incest" clause for permissable abortion will ensure the practice remains legal however "reduced" or regulated abortions may one day be.

32 posted on 02/12/2004 12:14:13 AM PST by Askel5
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To: little jeremiah
>Yet, I am reminded of people - conservatives, who don't want
>to vote for Bush because he isn't conservative enough. A vote
>for a third party candidate, or sitting out the election,
>only harms the conservative cause, increasing the possibility
>of Kerry or which jackass the Democraps pick, will win. At
>least with Bush, the behemoth may start turning around.

Bush supports civil unions for homosexuals and lesbians. In what way is that turning anything around? If we pass a constitutional amendment which defines marraige as being reserved for a man and a woman, and turn around and give away the same benefits to the gay lobby under the name of "civil unions" all we've done is play a semantic game.

No gay marriage.
No civil unions.

Why our beloved governator doesn't have the national guard out in the streets putting a stop to the lawlessness in San Francisco, I don't know. And no, that's not too harsh a reaction. That's the reaction you'd have if suddenly one day a university president broke the law and wouldn't admit black students...
71 posted on 02/15/2004 3:22:57 PM PST by applemac_g4
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To: little jeremiah
Also, there is something particularly vile about the ramming and cramming of homosexuality down kids' throats especially in school. It must be stopped.

Yes, it must. We need Prosecuting Attornies willing to seek indictments of those who participate in that sort of thing. If that is not corrupting minors and disseminating harmful materials to minors, it would be difficult to imagine what would be.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

218 posted on 03/06/2004 1:08:30 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: little jeremiah

Several generations of people accepting immorality as benign can't change overnight. At least if people wake up to the fact that two men ( or two women) commiting sodomy isn't and can't be "marriage", it's a start.

Also, there is something particularly vile about the ramming and cramming of homosexuality down kids' throats especially in school. It must be stopped.


RIGHT on both counts! And just because hetero people and the increase of immoral behavior by some heteros has distroyed marriage to a degree, is NO REASON to further degrade marriage, by throwing it all out the window and reconstructing it!! You don't fix anything by further injuring it.


337 posted on 02/16/2005 12:48:38 PM PST by gidget7
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