Ex-pilot says Bush put in for Vietnam: Bush volunteered for combat, was rejected...

Times Dispatch ^ | 2.13.04

[ambrose]

A former senior Virginia Air National Guard commander, who served with George W. Bush in the Texas Air Guard, says Bush volunteered for Vietnam combat service but was turned down because he did not have the required flight experience.

William J. Campenni, a retired Air Guard colonel, also said absences such as Bush's from his unit were common in the Air Guard during the period of Bush's service and still are.

[ambrose]

Ex-pilot says Bush put in for Vietnam: Bush volunteered for combat

Yes, but when did Bush have cavities, and when did he know it? Can a man who doesn't floss his teeth be entrusted with the presidency? Film at 11.

[Prime Choice]

A former senior Virginia Air National Guard commander, who served with George W. Bush in the Texas Air Guard, says Bush volunteered for Vietnam combat service but was turned down because he did not have the required flight experience.

Wonder how long it'll take the Liberal media to spike this story, hmmmm?

[Defender2]

Thanks for posting this, ambrose!!!!:-)

[pax_et_bonum]

ping

[KellyAdmirer]

The liberals won't care, they are psychotic about this National Guard stuff. The evidence being accumulated that supports President Bush is pretty darn impressive, though. Am kind of glad it was raised this early in the campaign and wasn't one of the Democrats' standard last-minute smear jobs, when there wouldn't be time to respond.

[ambrose]

The treasonous DemoScum filth will stop at nothing to bring down the president, and in the process, hand the keys to this nation to the Islamofascists.

[JohnHuang2]

Bush's recently released dental records show tooth No. 3 missing. Shouldn't this missing tooth be charged with going AWOL?!?!?!?!

/Sarcasm

[JohnHuang2]

Thanks for posting this, ambrose!!!!:-)

Motion seconded :-)

[CyberCowboy777]

Ping

[Defender2]

:-)

[JohnHuang2]

BTW, don't believe the Convention Wisdom. The White House loves this story -- shows the Democrats and the presstitutes for the petty, foolish, desperate bastards they are.

[MJY1288]

I hear Terry McAuliffe or one of the other mindless Jackels on the left, has said that "Just because his Teeth were in Alabama, it doesn't mean George W. Bush was...."

[Pikamax]

bttt

[VOA]

Ex-pilot says Bush put in for Vietnam: Bush volunteered for combat, was rejected...

I could be wrong...but I suspect Dubya/Rove are just praying that some
Dems start an moronic investigation into Dubya's service.
The trap is set...looks like the dim-witted Donkeys are taking the bait!

[JohnHuang2]

LOL!

[ambrose]

It is an early warning of what we're up against. These treasonous scoundrels are playing political games with our national security in a time of war.

I think these traitors have only succeded in uniting us. It will be a long slog ahead.

[JohnHuang2]

I think these traitors have only succeded in uniting us.

Nail on the head, my friend.

[Just mythoughts]

One thing is for sure they could not have done this with algore. Now I understand why JFKERRY brought forth upon that stage in IOWA that 1 Republican he saved all those years ago.

They really believed that this was a winning hand.

Now JFKerry it is your turn, you show us your records.

[JohnHuang2]

Bump!

[kayak]

Bush's recently released dental records show tooth No. 3 missing.

Has anyone found that tooth? If it can't be found, then we must ask if it ever existed to begin with.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

The White House loves this story -- shows the Democrats and the presstitutes for the petty, foolish, desperate bastards they are.

Agreed. It is beyond absurd at this point. They are so seriously overplaying their (non-existent) hand.

[JohnHuang2]

They are so seriously overplaying their (non-existent) hand.

Bears repeating..

[concerned about politics]

bttt

[JohnHuang2]

Has anyone found that tooth?

I'd appoint David Kay to lead the search crew. If the tooth is not found after a partial search, then we can only conclude BUSH LIED AND HIS TOOTH DIED!

[kayak]

LOL!

[XBob]

2 - "Yes, but when did Bush have cavities, and when did he know it? Can a man who doesn't floss his teeth be entrusted with the presidency? Film at 11."

An Airforce pilot can't fly with cavities. He will be removed from flying status until they are properly repaired.

[JohnHuang2]

;-)

[onyx]

GREAT FIND Ambrose.

*ping* and pass it on

[JohnHuang2]

Could it be a Dental Malfunction?

[onyx]

Thank you for this special ping. Ambrose, you're right: the dems are uniting us. Damn they're stupid, but let them rave on.

[Howlin]

[malia]

I want to know how, where, and when Kerry was wounded. I want to know how each wound was treated - in fact I want to see the scars. Ya, I want to see the scars! I won't settle for anything less that the official signed and dated med reports.

[concerned about politics]

My husband is really into the stock market like I'm into politics. I asked him if this investigation into Bush's military records got his attention as an unbiased observer. He said "No. They're just playing politics and digging up dirt. I don't think anyone cares."
My sister is bored by news, and usually doesn't pay any attention until about a month before an election. I asked her what she thought about the Bush military investigation. She said she really wasn't following it. She didn't know anything about it. No one cares.
I asked my brother, a libertarian (ugh!) what he thought about the Bush military investigation. He said they were acting like a$$es.
I asked my daughters friends mother, a Democrat, what she thought about the Bush military investigation. She said the Democrats were acting like children.

Does anyone even care about this other than the press who needs to fill their air time? It's getting really old. Maybe they'll use the Kerry bimbo story next week just for something new. Sheesh!

[Just mythoughts]

AMEN! The media whores should be asking that question to him. Show us your records and your movies you shot while in Vietnam.

[MJY1288]

John I have the gut feeling you might be as old as me, Have you ever seen the Democrat Party this pathetic?

Can anyone explain what the Democrats message is besides "We Hate Bush because he ignores us" ????

I grew up in the sixties and witnessed Lyndon Johnson's failure, Nixon's Diplomatic expansion and his fall from grace. Gerald Ford's short time in the Sun and Carter's complete and utter failure before Ronald Ronald came along and restored my faith and love for this country. Since then the Democrats have never recovered, and all I see now is the further decline of the democrat party. Bill Clinton was their last Oasis, and he ended up a disgraceful lying scoundrel.

What I see now is complete and utter desperation coming from the extreme left of their Party, that has more of a chance to drive the moderate democrats away before they align themselves with a fringe group of pessimistic losers who have hijacked the party of Harry Truman, Scoop Jackson and the modern day true Democrats like Zell Miller.

John, When GWB gets reelected, I believe we will see the democrats in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House follow the similar path the Texas State Legislature's did, and run from their responsibilities, rather than face the music

[XBob]

In the 1971/1972 the Airforce started phasing down its officer corps, as the Vietnam pullout began. The USAF officer corps, which had swelled temporarily from 100,000 to 300,000 for the war, began reducing back to 100,000 officers, which they achieved around 1974 or so.

In addition, the F-102's were old, obsolete, and fighter interceptors only, couldn't carry bombs. They had no use in Air Superiority in South Vietnam, and the migs were no longer flying in the north. We had lots of trouble keeping the few we had in the air in 1969. They had a tendency to fall out of the sky (with no help from the VietCong).

They were essentially worthless for us there, and their original purpose (when built in 1954) as air defense fighters to intercept and shoot down Russian bombers over North America, had no mission.

[concerned about politics]

Is there any proof Kerry was really awarded those medals other than he told us so? Vets are questioning them. I read it on a chat site where vets were talking about how Kerry lied about them. They think he picked them up after a protest and claimed them as his own.
I'd like to see Kerry's military records now. It's his turn to prove himself. If he really did get them awarded to him, then fine. No harm done.

[concerned about politics]

I want to know how, where, and when Kerry was wounded. I want to know how each wound was treated - in fact I want to see the scars. Ya, I want to see the scars! I won't settle for anything less that the official signed and dated med reports.

That's another question. He would have been wounded and hospitalized three times. He must be torn up. Why have we never heard about his wounds or scars. He never mentioned getting hit, especially three times!
Excuse my curiosity, but all we know about his service is what HE has told us! Democrats are known for lies. How do we know he's being honest about this?

[Mo1]

Thanks!!

[kayak]

I don't have any sources for this but from what I have read I gather that two of Kerry's wounds were so minor that he didn't miss a minute's worth of service .... and the more serious of the injuries put him out of service for one day after which he returned to duty as what he calls "walking wounded." I'm of the understanding that any injury at all entitles one to a Purple Heart.

I think that he should release his records. However, I am not holding my breath awaiting the clamor from the media for such disclosure. They have far more important things to do ..... such as finding out whether the President ever jay-walked ... and whether or not he had a full set of teeth when he did so.

[JohnHuang2]

What I see now is complete and utter desperation coming from the extreme left of their Party, that has more of a chance to drive the moderate democrats away before they align themselves with a fringe group of pessimistic losers who have hijacked the party of Harry Truman, Scoop Jackson and the modern day true Democrats like Zell Miller.

Well said, my friend. Your whole post is right on.

[GretchenEE]

Bush knew, the dems knew, and YOU knew that W was going to run for re-election in 2004 and we all know that's why he saw the dentist in Alabama, to cover his tracks.

We ALL knew.

[kayak]

You're absolutely right. Not only is this conspiracy vast and right-wing but it's been going on for decades. ;-)

[GretchenEE]

Bill Clinton was their last Oasis, and he ended up a disgraceful lying scoundrel.

I believe it was about midnight when blubba rode that camel in.

Thank God morning's come.

Don't be thinking of any catchy, repetitive songs to fill your mind now, y'hear?

[concerned about politics]

I think that he should release his records.

I'm more interested in the silver star records. I looked up info on the silver star, and here's one piece of info I found.....

Third, there is some dispute about the event which was the basis for Kerry’s Silver Star. One published account reports that his river patrol boat came under fire from the bank and returned fire. As the craft approached the shore, a wounded Viet Cong was observed running away. Kerry is supposed to have chased him, and both disappeared from sight. Shots were heard. Kerry jumped aboard and claimed that there had been a firefight. Result: one Silver Star. If this published report is true, there were no witnesses to the action—yet two witnesses are required for a Silver Star recommendation. As Burkett and Whitley have written, “Silver Stars are awarded only for actions in combat; most of those who receive a Silver Star suffer wounds in the process. Receiving a Silver Star requires witnesses and significant substantiation of valor.” The authors of Stolen Valor continue: “How a soldier, sailor, or Marine receives a valorous medal essentially hasn’t changed since the Civil! l War. One way is from the bottom up. For example, a soldier is with a platoon in the field [or on a river boat]. The North Vietnamese [or Viet Cong] start pouring over his platoon’s perimeter [or firing from the shore]. He’s screaming orders, dragging wounded, saving people [chasing a wounded VC into the jungle]—being your basic hero. The next day an “after-action” report by his commander will describe the soldier’s bravery. The other men who saw the events will be motivated to nominate the hero for recognition. The recommendation goes up the chain of command and is either approved or denied. The “top-down” process occurs when higher-ups—the company or battalion commander—nominate him. Aware that something heroic has happened, his superiors interview witnesses and nominate the soldier, sailor, or airman for a medal. The system is open to a certain amount of back scratching. Say a platoon [or a river boat] fights a battle. People fight; some die. The platoon lea! der [or boat commander] wants a Silver Star, and he lets the platoon s ergeant [or seaman] know that the way the sergeant [or seaman] can earn his own Bronze Star Medal is to authenticate his superior’s heroism. Except for outright fabrication, this is usually not an official cause of concern. Whatever the medal, there has to be a recommendation by the command authority and supporting evidence. The higher the decoration [the Silver Star is the third highest], the more stringent thee requirements for supporting documentation. (Emphasis added).
When awards like the Silver Star are ordered (there is an actual “order” issued), a “citation” is also issued describing the conduct that is the basis for the medal. This completes the paper trail.

[GretchenEE]

Wes Pruden had an excellent piece about a week ago in which he detailed the Senator's wounds. All together, he was out of action for a whopping two days for the three wounds. But because he had three wounds (none life-threatening or even very serious), he took his way back to the motherland, as regs allowed.

And shortly thereafter began protesting the war.

[concerned about politics]

My father was hit in the face with a bayonet. It knocked him out. When he came to, the "crouts" were still there fighting. He killed the one that stabbed him and a few more , but then he was taken to the hospital.
Because military supplies didn't come in, the doctors had to re-use the needles. Dad got hepatitis that damaged his liver. He died.
All he got was the purple heart. He gave his life.
That's why I want to know exactly what kind of hero Kerry really was. Is he a fake? If he is, I'll be pi$$ed. My father did more than he did.
There's rumors he found his medals in the field after a protest. If he did, he dishonors my dad by lieing about his own heroism. If he's claiming to be a hero when so many others really were, he doesn't deserve to be in Washington, let alone the White House!
All I'm asking is verification he's telling the truth.

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