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DENNIS MILLER SHOW - THURSDAY NIGHT

Posted on 02/13/2004 6:46:23 AM PST by 7thson

Anyone watch his program last night? I watched it for about the first 20 minutes or so. He had Scott Ritter on and basically - how I saw it - read him the riot act concerning Iraq and Saddam. Basically said that yeah, you have a job to do and a charter to do it under, but once you observe and witness first hand children in prison and torture, than the charter goes out the window and you have to do the right thing. Ritter kept on going on about saving lives and other bs. I thought Miller nailed him good on the going it alone bs.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Unclassified; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: constitution; dennismiller; inspections; inspectors; iraq; marines; scottritter; un; unitednations; usmc; wmd
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1 posted on 02/13/2004 6:46:29 AM PST by 7thson
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To: 7thson
Missed it. I catch him once in a while, but he's yet to make a big impact on cable.
2 posted on 02/13/2004 6:47:55 AM PST by theDentist (Boston: So much Liberty, you can buy a Politician already owned by someone else.)
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To: 7thson
I caught the exchange. I thought Miller showed a lot of emotion, but not much solid argument. Ritter said the war was "illegitimate", and Miller came back that he should be more sensitive and use more tact. He didn't say that the claim itself was BS. Just that it was indelicate. I found that to be pretty weak.
3 posted on 02/13/2004 6:49:33 AM PST by Huck (OK. I'm over it.)
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To: 7thson
The change in Dennis Miller is more typical of the change in Americans in general since 9/11 than the Dims want to believe.
4 posted on 02/13/2004 6:49:47 AM PST by Roberts
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To: 7thson
I listened to it as background noise. Guess i really dont care what the child molestor had to say. After ritter the show was kind of boring so i didnt really pay it much attention.
5 posted on 02/13/2004 6:50:06 AM PST by cripplecreek (you win wars by making the other dumb SOB die for his country)
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To: 7thson
I saw some of that segment and Ritter came across as unsure and nervous. Miller continually impresses me with his delivery and quick wit.
6 posted on 02/13/2004 6:50:23 AM PST by Sam's Army (MTV: Get off the Air!)
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To: 7thson
I saw it. Ritter was squirming like the worm he is.
7 posted on 02/13/2004 6:50:51 AM PST by Americathy
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To: theDentist
His news act basically sucked. It wasn't funny and no where close to what he did on HBO. I saw the segment with Ritter. Yes, he asked a few questions and dinged him on many subjects but Ritter held his own. It's funny but he actually nailed the Clinton administration for interfering with his work back in the mid to late 90's. I think what Miller was getting at that Ritter had an obligation to report on what he saw while Ritter kept trying to play it off as the principled "UN First" guy who was not there to be a spy.

Miller also made some lame jokes as well during that time....
8 posted on 02/13/2004 6:52:07 AM PST by misterrob
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To: 7thson
Miller started off telling Ritter he was going to be fair with him. The Ritter pissed off Miller by saying something about soldiers lives being wasted.

I've never seen Miller get pissed off like that. I liked it!

9 posted on 02/13/2004 6:54:32 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: All
Help please!!
Scott Ritter is the one who in 1998 put the fear of God into me about Iraq. Now of course he has done a complete 180 degree turnaround. I know there are rummers, i.e. paid off. But has HE ever given an official explanation of the turnaround? It seems to me he made the change even though he has never returned to the country. I would really like to know if he has ever addressed this issue.
10 posted on 02/13/2004 6:54:50 AM PST by KJacob
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To: KJacob
$$$$$$$$$$

they guy who paid ritter to produce a pro saddam movie was on the list of names of people bribed by saddam.

11 posted on 02/13/2004 6:56:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (you win wars by making the other dumb SOB die for his country)
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To: 7thson
Dennis Miller may be a nice enough person, but he still has a foul mouth. They bleeped some of what he said but not all of it. That's not entertainment to me. He should go back to HBO.

Now, before I get bombarded with "but he's pro-Bush", I already know that. I exercised my 'change the channel' option.
12 posted on 02/13/2004 6:57:08 AM PST by Texagirl4W (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all. - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: cripplecreek
What reason has Ritter given for the turnaround? Surely he has not admitted to it being about money. Has anyone ever asked him?
13 posted on 02/13/2004 6:59:20 AM PST by KJacob
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To: 7thson
I saw part of it. I watched the Ritter interview. I almost turned the channel in disgust when I saw that Ritter would be his guest, then I realized that Miller would not go easy on Ritter, so I decided to watch. I wasn't disappointed.

I watched the varsity segment also, and enjoyed it. For once, there were no rude people interrupting each other. I can't tell you who was on the panel or what they discussed, but it was pleasant. LOL.
14 posted on 02/13/2004 6:59:31 AM PST by alnick
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To: Huck
Yes...because, if it were your tv show...you could do it so much better than Dennis. LOL!

What's the old adage...those who can, do... those who can't...come onto Free Republic and critique those who can... </teasing off>

15 posted on 02/13/2004 7:01:12 AM PST by carton253 (I have no genius at seeming.)
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To: Texagirl4W
Miller is a fiscal and military conservative, not a social or moral conservative, so it doesn't surprise me that he has a foul mouth. He seems to use it when he's angry. I don't like it, but I'm glad to have his sharp wit in the conservative camp. He's still feeling his way, but he'll get better with time.
16 posted on 02/13/2004 7:01:14 AM PST by Americathy
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To: KJacob
He's been asked by O'Rielly at least once. The usual responses were given. DENY DENY DENY.
17 posted on 02/13/2004 7:01:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (you win wars by making the other dumb SOB die for his country)
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To: KJacob
What reason has Ritter given for the turnaround? Surely he has not admitted to it being about money. Has anyone ever asked him?

He's been asked. My recollection is that he's either changed the subject or denied that he's done a 180.

18 posted on 02/13/2004 7:03:08 AM PST by alnick
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To: 7thson
Didn't see it. I assume Ritter was in full "I-told-you-so" mode re missing WMD and if so I'm glad I missed it.

Miller has been generally great but I was surprised when on an earlier show this week he said using the Kerry/Fonda angle against Kerry was "crap." Like many others, he seems to be mesmerized by the fact that Kerry saw action in Vietnam and deems him to therefore be off-limits regarding questions about his attitude to military and/or patriotism.

Also his attitude re ssm has been a letdown. But still, he is a wonderful antidote to the Bill Mahers and other uber-liberals infesting the media.
19 posted on 02/13/2004 7:04:02 AM PST by omniscient
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To: 7thson
I fell in love with Dennis Miller last night. He is awesome. He's charming, funny, and has common sense. He is very affable and is better able to get his point across than other conservatives such as Hannity or Ann Coulter. Coulter has amazing wit, but her points are not as easily digestable as Dennis Miller's. Hannity is entertaining but a little too intense for moderates. Dennis Miller is a down to earth, lovable guy.
20 posted on 02/13/2004 7:04:56 AM PST by mgist
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To: 7thson
I don't watch it all the time...when I do, Dennis often takes a position that I don't agree with. For example he had Barney Frank on and they both thought homosexual marriages were OK. Barf.

I don't need to agree with someone 100%, but with DM show I find myself more in agreement with the monkey.
21 posted on 02/13/2004 7:05:15 AM PST by Drango (Liberals give me a rash that even penicillin can't cure.)
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To: cripplecreek
You would think that at least someone on Fox would play a tape showing him warning us about Iraq. Are you saying that he is pretending that he never warned us about the danger at all and he never thought Iraq was a threat? That could so easily be disproven.
22 posted on 02/13/2004 7:05:21 AM PST by KJacob
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To: Huck
Your assessment is perfect. I saw it, and Ritter went on and on producing pretty good, reasonable thought. Dennis was just left to resort to a plea for more sensitivity from Ritter. But Dennis was in a tough spot. I'm rooting for his show, but to me, he needs an audience. When they pan away to commercials and shoot the stagehands and cameramen, Dennis' show takes on the look of some kind of weird science experiment being observed by a few strange scientists. But, I like Dennis and his humor and his heart.

By the way, the night before he was weak on the Kerry VVAW activities and Congressional testimony when Kerry came back from Vietnam, leading me to write this e-mail to his show:

I'm one of your biggest fans, and I thank you for your wisdom. Your intelligent wit and insight is beyond most others.

As a very involved Conservative Republican and a FreeRepublic guy, I and thousands of others have been rooting for the success of your new show. You are needed for America's health and well-being. But, I have a bone to pick -- yesterday you basically gave Kerry a pass for his VVAW activities after he got back from Vietnam. Either you aren't as smart as I thought you were (and that's not true), or you are conned on this subject.

You totally discounted the effect on his post-Vietnam behavior. His activities aided the morale of the enemy, and it is possible that those activities caused many more American deaths. As some have said, "Joining the antiwar movement was possibly the worst thing Kerry could have done to the soldiers still in the field. Kerry basically gave aid and comfort to the enemy."

Dennis, I don't want to go into detail on this, but you must know of the veracity of all this. Let me tell you, I was a guy who had finished up at Pitt (Economics) and just finished my time in the Army Security Agency in 1970. I thought I was smart enough then, and I became quite anti-Nixon and anti-war. I didn't demonstrate, but I was ideologically anti-war. But even then I wasn't insightful enough to see the damage that the anti-war demonstrations were doing to the war effort, and subsequently, our soldiers. Even more, I didn't consider the POSITIVE EFFECT the American anti-war demonstrations had on the North Vietnamese.

Kerry's testimony before Congress was one of the most destructive things he could have done. For you to apparently not see this on yesterday's show was hard to understand. What's up? Please answer this 'Stiller' fan.

Don't think from this one criticism that I think any less of you. You are the man, and you are important to this country's future. You have been a ray of welcome sunshine in the darkness of the liberal media and Hollyweird. Hoping to hear from you. Give a 'Pittsburgh Hello' to your hairy cohort on the show.

Regards,

23 posted on 02/13/2004 7:08:06 AM PST by thesummerwind (Like painted kites, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: 7thson; isthisnickcool
I saw parts of it. I find Ritter intolerable and disgusting to watch/listen to for any length of time, so I kept switching channels. I thought - for as much of it as I saw - that Miller was using more restraint than usual. I wanted him to really let loose on this guy, but he didn't while I was watching.

It's true, Miller represents so many who have changed since 9-11, the Dems need to wake up and smell the coffee. I guess I missed the parts where he let loose on Ritter. That won't happen again. I wonder if his producers made him try to 'play nice'?

24 posted on 02/13/2004 7:08:41 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: Sam's Army
I am impressed with the way Miller asks a question. There is no boot-licking deference in his manner. I almost expected him to ask Ritter about the 14 year FBI agent he met at Burger King.
25 posted on 02/13/2004 7:08:45 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: Americathy
Exactly! Well said. I think a number of Americans have 'woken up' since 9-11.
26 posted on 02/13/2004 7:09:45 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: 7thson
I saw it. Ritter is a Saddam loyalist thru and thru. He's been paid off. His anti American rhetoric is too much to stomach. He says - Ha! No WMD were found, like we've left the country and will look no more.

They will be found and make all these clymers look like the schmucks they are.
27 posted on 02/13/2004 7:10:04 AM PST by petercooper ("daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime" - Nicole Gelinas, 02-10-04)
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To: KJacob
Miller did ask him that. Asked Ritter about being extremely WMD in 1998 and why the turnaround. Ritter gave this long round about nonanswer. When he started disrespecting the soldiers/marines there now, Miller got a little upset. What was Ritter? A Major or Colonel? He acts like he was privy to every secret concerning Iraq. He also came across as a butt boy for the UN. UN first, United States somewhere down the line. Also dismissed the fact that other nations are there - claimed they are not relevant.
28 posted on 02/13/2004 7:13:24 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: mgist
Sean Hannity is a complete idiot. The other day he was talking to George Will and I wondered allowed to my wife, that after talking to Hannity, if George Will felt the need to mental floss his brain by watching several hours of science programs. Hannity seems to have no historical knowledge of the past, he is too boot licking when a Dem comes on his program, he constantly talks about himself and his tours, and I cannot stand the way he flirts with women who call up.
29 posted on 02/13/2004 7:17:31 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: thesummerwind
A good post and email. You should have added that due to acts such as Kerry, Fonda, et al, Adm. Stockdale was kept longer in the bamboo cage than necessary. He admires the hell out of Stockdale.
30 posted on 02/13/2004 7:20:44 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: Roberts
The change in Dennis Miller

After watching him for the first two weeks of his show I have to agree with you BUT with a caveat. While I do believe his conversion to pro Bush (on the war) as being authentic, I see it as a mile wide but an inch deep. He doesn't have any solid arguments for being pro war, most of them are emotional. He is definitely still a far lefty in most other matters.

31 posted on 02/13/2004 7:22:18 AM PST by PISANO (u)
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To: 7thson
Hannity bothers me because when he debates liberals he rebutes by using soundbites and platitudes instead of actually debating. He is not the second coming of Rush.
32 posted on 02/13/2004 7:24:37 AM PST by KJacob
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To: 7thson
Hannity bothers me because when he debates liberals he rebutes by using soundbites and platitudes instead of actually debating. He is not the second coming of Rush.
33 posted on 02/13/2004 7:24:47 AM PST by KJacob
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To: 7thson
FYI.... Ann Coulter will be a guest on Miller's show this evening.
34 posted on 02/13/2004 7:25:41 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan
I wish I was more like Ann Coulter, tough as nails. I'll be watching Miller tonight. Thanks for the tip.
35 posted on 02/13/2004 7:28:05 AM PST by Americathy
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To: 7thson
You can't go to war just for human rights reasons. Miller didn't have a good retort when Scott Ritter talked about how there aren't the WMD in Iraq that were said to be there and were given as the reason to be there. Miller talked about how that Ritter should use softer language because Ritter said the war was illegitimate and the families of the soldiers might be emotionally hurt by Ritter's comments. Miller's show is so awful. I had such high hopes for it.
36 posted on 02/13/2004 7:28:39 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("You can dip a pecan in gold, but it's still a pecan"-- Deep Thoughts by JC Watts)
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To: Huck
I think you and I would be good friends if we lived near one another. I share the same view on Miller's show last night as you do.
37 posted on 02/13/2004 7:29:36 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("You can dip a pecan in gold, but it's still a pecan"-- Deep Thoughts by JC Watts)
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To: 7thson
Yeah, I heard that Hannity interview of Will and I think Hannity wa sjust afraid of being made to look like an uneducated moron so he kept cutting Will off. Of course, he had about 10 plugs of his book per minute.

I'm sure George Will gave a crap.

Hannity has been developing this new laugh that sounds SO fake...it is hilarious.

38 posted on 02/13/2004 7:29:36 AM PST by Benrand
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To: KJacob
I don't think he's much of a thinker and he repeats himself constantly, but his book "Let Freedom Ring" is excellent, very clear thinking. I had a hard time believing he actually wrote it.
39 posted on 02/13/2004 7:30:03 AM PST by Americathy
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To: 7thson
He's pretty and that counts a lot on TV gigs.
40 posted on 02/13/2004 7:31:07 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("You can dip a pecan in gold, but it's still a pecan"-- Deep Thoughts by JC Watts)
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To: theDentist
Ritter kept repeating that soldiers are sent out to "die" for their country.

I strongly disagree!!

He is like no Marine I've ever met.

Marines are sent out to FIGHT for their country and make the other poor sob die for his(ala George Patton).

41 posted on 02/13/2004 7:31:44 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
So how did Colmes get on the show?
42 posted on 02/13/2004 7:34:12 AM PST by Americathy
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To: 7thson
I tivo'd Miller's show last night and watch the entire exchange. As a former Marine, his actions, his very existance makes me see RED! He sounded like he was reading from International ANSWER's talking points. Miller's response was measured, but you could certainly tell that he was extremely irritated by the statements being made by Ritter. Ritter is scum. He has defamed the United States, the US Marine Corps, and all of his former bothers. May he rot in hell...
43 posted on 02/13/2004 7:34:35 AM PST by GunnyB (Once a Marine, Always a Marine)
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To: Americathy
I also liked the book, however, when he has Kerry on the air, he mentions nothing in the book concerning Kerry voting to cut CIA, military, etc. I listen to him awhile on the radio but then I cannot stand it and turn on music. When I come home in the late afternoon, there aren't any good talk shows on. Let me correct that. Ron Smith up in Baltimore is excellent, but I cannot pull in his AM station - WBAL - down here in DC.
44 posted on 02/13/2004 7:34:50 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: 7thson
Why does anyone continue to allow Ritter any forum whatsoever?
He should be shunned.
45 posted on 02/13/2004 7:36:02 AM PST by nuconvert ("Why do you have to be a nonconformist like everybody else?")
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To: Huck
How does one argue with a hypocrite like Ritter? Seldom is an argument won by making a killer point that causes an opponent to concede unconditionally. What I heard Miller doing was quite subtle and effective. He chastised Ritter for the crass way in which Ritter insulted the dead and wounded soldiers and their families. This was in stark contrast to Rittter's sensitivity to the will of the international community which the US "flouted" by assembling a coalition of the non-French to prosecute the war. (He also called the Polish contingent a "joke").

Miller's interviews are like chess matches, not the chess games played by most TV hosts. The last thing we need is another half-bright Brokaw wannabe jousting talking points with an equally half-bright politico.

46 posted on 02/13/2004 7:43:40 AM PST by rmgatto (lux et veritas (not heat))
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To: carton253
LOL. Hey, I batter some of these pros. Hannity comes to mind. But I don't kid myself that I could waltz in and do a better job. With practice, who knows? Maybe I could. But what's the point of sitting in the back seat if you can't drive?
47 posted on 02/13/2004 7:45:07 AM PST by Huck (OK. I'm over it.)
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To: thesummerwind
It is a quirky untested format, and that is a challenge. No question about it.
48 posted on 02/13/2004 7:46:25 AM PST by Huck (OK. I'm over it.)
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To: alnick
Didn't see it & probably wouldn't have watched it because Ritter disgust me but I guess I missed a good show.
49 posted on 02/13/2004 8:04:53 AM PST by Simonne
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To: alnick
Miller should have been drinking from a Burger King cup during the interview.
50 posted on 02/13/2004 8:05:07 AM PST by AmishDude
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