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National Coalition Launches www.STOPMTV.org
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Posted on 02/13/2004 11:25:31 AM PST by chance33_98

National Coalition Launches www.STOPMTV.org

2/13/04 1:42:00 PM

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To: National Desk, Religion Reporter

Contact: Maryam Kubasek of the National Coalition for the Protection of Children & Families, 513-521-6227, ext. 111; web: http://www.nationalcoalition.org

CINCINNATI, Feb. 13 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The National Coalition for the Protection of Children & Families has launched a new educational initiative regarding MTV and its negative impact on teens. The organization has launched a web site, http://www.stopmtv.org , which gives parents some startling facts about the music channel and encourages them to make some tough choices regarding viewing it.

MTV's latest production, the halftime show at Super Bowl XXXVIII, showed the nation its true colors. "If parents found that shocking, they'd really be amazed at what is on MTV 24 hours a day," noted Rick Schatz, president and CEO of the National Coalition.

Over the past 23 years, MTV has grown from a fledgling music network to become the most visible, visual and vocal communicator of sexualized messages to teen and pre-teen audiences. Today they reach 350 million households, worldwide (PBS On-Line, 2001) with 39 percent of their viewers under the age of 18 (Nielson Media Research, 2000).

Research has also shown that 73 percent of boys and 78 percent of girls 12-19 years old watch MTV for more than 6 hours per week. Clearly, MTV has powerfully saturated youth culture and helps define sexual values, not just reflect them.

From their around-the-clock reality shows to their amped-up music videos, MTV celebrates unrestrained sex of all kinds and many of its music videos glorify violence.

The National Coalition's new site gives parents suggestions on what they can do in their own homes, including requesting a "trap" from their cable company that will block the channel. In addition, the site offers talking points parents can use when conversing with their teens about the topic.

"We recognize that this has the potential to cause conflict between teens and parents," said Jack Samad, senior vice president and producer of Sex & Young America. "Therefore, we encourage parents to approach this topic with a spirit of openness and cooperation. We give parents the tools they need to teach their kids to think critically about the messages on MTV.

"The bottom line is that parents do NOT want MTV to be the source of sex education for their kids," he added.


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1 posted on 02/13/2004 11:25:32 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
""The bottom line is that parents do NOT want MTV to be the source of sex education for their kids," he added."

Well, my cable box lets me lock out any channel I don't want to watch or don't want anyone in my home to watch. Maybe not everyone has this option, but I think it's pretty standard out there. My TV set also has this option.

People should exercise such options if they don't want their kids to see MTV.
2 posted on 02/13/2004 11:28:08 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Another move is to drop cable altogether since a portion of your cable bill goes to fund this and other Viacom properties even if you don't watch the programming.
3 posted on 02/13/2004 11:29:46 AM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: weegee
"Another move is to drop cable altogether since a portion of your cable bill goes to fund this and other Viacom properties even if you don't watch the programming."

While that's true, most people want access to some of the channels on cable. By just locking out the channels they feel are inappropriate, the problem is solved.

As for paying for unwanted channels, we all do that. I don't watch the Spanish language channels on my cable, nor the religious channels (5 at last count). I don't watch MTV, either. But, I do watch a number of channels I get on cable. They're enough for me to continue paying the bill.

Since I don't have children at home, I don't lock anything out; I just don't watch channels I don't like.

4 posted on 02/13/2004 11:33:05 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: chance33_98
Viacom's properties:

Plus another on the way to basic cable courtesy of MTV:

MTV starts Gay/Lesbian network for regular cable

MTV Networks, buoyed by positive talks with top cable operators, has begun stepping up the planning for Outlet, a 24-hour network aimed at gays and lesbians.

In development for more than two years, Outlet failed to launch in 2002 because MTV had brought in sister network Showtime to market it as a pay channel.

When that strategy didn't pass muster with cable operators, Showtime bowed out of the picture and MTV repositioned Outlet as an ad-supported, digital, basic cable network.


5 posted on 02/13/2004 11:35:07 AM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: chance33_98
better yet, they should move to have the channel pre-scrambled and require parental access to unscramble it.
6 posted on 02/13/2004 11:35:59 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: MineralMan
Many cable boxes do not give you that option and many cable companies will not let you block out just one channel.
7 posted on 02/13/2004 11:36:52 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
"Many cable boxes do not give you that option and many cable companies will not let you block out just one channel.
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Hmm...I haven't run into one that doesn't give you that option. All the current cable boxes have that option, as far as I know. And if you're using basic cable, without a box, all new TVs of any size have a blocking option accessible on the remote. You can even set and change the password used to block and unblock.

The problem here is in demanding that nobody watch a channel that somebody thinks is evil. Personally, I find a lot of the televangelists on some of the religious channels to be evil people, preying on the elderly to suck their money from them. I would never, though, suggest that those channels be removed from everyone's view.

I don't watch a lot of the channels on my cable system...ever. I don't even know what's on a lot of them, since I never tune them in.

8 posted on 02/13/2004 11:42:37 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Those religious channels are carried because they broadcast a low power (but powerful enough) signal that cable operators are required to carrry them. If you have a problem with the content on the religious channels, you can go to the FCC. Not so with MTV.

Again, look at that chart of channels and see just how much money Viacom gets from the monthly cable bill even if you don't watch Viacom channels. Only a few of them are "pay" channels, the rest comprise broadcast (CBS, UPN) or basic cable.

9 posted on 02/13/2004 11:50:02 AM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: chance33_98
You don't have to be an Islamist to find MTV revolting.
10 posted on 02/13/2004 11:54:37 AM PST by observer5
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To: weegee
"Those religious channels are carried because they broadcast a low power (but powerful enough) signal that cable operators are required to carrry them. If you have a problem with the content on the religious channels, you can go to the FCC. Not so with MTV."

That's true of some local religious channels, but there are none of those in my area. EWTN, PAX, and a couple others are satellite channels, and they're on my dial. I never watch them, but don't really care if they're on the cable or not.

MTV is a commercial channel, and you're right, the cable companies pay to carry it. And there it is. Apparently enough people demand that it is on their cable system to make it worthwhile for the cable company to carry it.

Incidentally, on my cable system, it's not on the basic cable lineup. It's carried digitally, so only those who opt for the digital channels above channel 100 get it. If you have basic cable on the system in my area (Charter), you won't see MTV at all.
11 posted on 02/13/2004 11:54:47 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
What you say about MTV and cable is right...but MTV is only one, of a much larger issue. It is no longer just cable that is the problem. Braodcast television has become MTV'd...even during the afternoon on local UPN/WB and network affiliates. Shows like Elimi-date, Extreme dating and any number of sexual based reality shows are bombarding television.

Using the liberal line of "protecting the children" shouldn't liberal Hollywood do what it can to police itself. How can liberals attack tobacco billboards for their influence on teenage smoking and yet defend the the barrage of sex and violence on TV as irrelevant to influencing behavior? I'm not for the government censoring anybody...but at the same time, I think the entertainment industry should be held as culpable as those industries they attack as immoral becasue of their undue influence.

It's a little hypocritical..especially for Hollywood, to say that their garbage doesn't influence behavior, when this very industry producers advertisments that are directly intended to do just that...spending millions on ad budgets, to do produce a desired reaction...like buying their products.

Some basic respect should be shown, like putting this crap on at later hours, but they won't do that because these shows are aimed at teens. Liberals always bitch about the hardships in single-parent homes...well how about helping out that single parent who can't be around 24 hours a day and making his/her job a little easier. That shouldn't be too much to ask from the compassionate crowd who only cares about the children.
12 posted on 02/13/2004 11:55:12 AM PST by cwb (Kerry may have saved one man but he left thousands of others behind)
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To: cwboelter
"What you say about MTV and cable is right...but MTV is only one, of a much larger issue. It is no longer just cable that is the problem. Braodcast television has become MTV'd...even during the afternoon on local UPN/WB and network affiliates. Shows like Elimi-date, Extreme dating and any number of sexual based reality shows are bombarding television.
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Personally, I never watch any of that crap. Apparently a lot of people do, though, or it wouldn't be on. I watch very little television, other than movies and news, and I rent the movies I want to watch. I'm not a normal TV viewer.

The answer, then, is for people to send a message to the producers of television and the broadcasters. If nobody's watching, I guarantee they'll change the programming until somebody's watching.

But...that's not what's happening. Apparently, a lot of people want to see this crappy programming. They're idiots, of course, but there it is. The only way to get it changed is to convince people to turn it off.

As for kids...well, there's an answer for that as well. Get rid of the TV or put a locking outlet on the wall. You can buy locking outlets.

As I said, I'm not apologizing for any network or cable co. I'm sure I watch different programming than you do. You might think what I watch is worthless. Who cares?
13 posted on 02/13/2004 12:00:25 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Clearly, MTV is offensive by normal standards of society. Clearly, an evangelist is not. Now you may argue from an inane standpoint that this is a matter of personal choice but it's like Clinton arguing that oral sex isn't sex because he feels that way. People don't get this worked up over the Food Network. And it's because MTV IS offensive.

I don't have (much) of a problem with MTV AS LONG as it is easy to delete it from the pile of channels. However, many people (like myself) are finding that it is very hard to do so. The Cable company refuses to delete MTV from my pile. Absolutely refuses. Probably because they stand to lose money if enough people do it. MTV ends up only reaching 30% of homes and then their advertizing revenue drops. So the cable companies are fighting the effort to stop the push of MTV into homes. That is why people are coming together to fight MTV.

Make it easy to delete MTV and the need to organize goes away. I don't mean programming your box or VCR or TV. I mean stop the cable company from pushing MTV to the wire into the house.
14 posted on 02/13/2004 12:11:12 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: MineralMan
"The answer, then, is for people to send a message to the producers of television and the broadcasters."

I think that's what these people will eventually be attempting to do. For now, they are happy just educating parents to the destructive influence of MTV. No censorship called for from them. More power to them.
15 posted on 02/13/2004 12:19:14 PM PST by cwb (Kerry may have saved one man but he left thousands of others behind)
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To: paltz
ping
16 posted on 02/13/2004 12:24:49 PM PST by firebrand
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To: AppyPappy
"Make it easy to delete MTV and the need to organize goes away. I don't mean programming your box or VCR or TV. I mean stop the cable company from pushing MTV to the wire into the house."

If you have the capability of blocking it, then I don't see what more you want, frankly. While you object to MTV content, it's quite popular, apparently. The cable company has no method of controlling which programming comes to your house. They'd have to run a separate cable line from their distribution site to your house to do that. You get the same signal everyone else gets.

So, program your cable box or TV to not receive the channel, or cancel your cable. Don't program everyone not to get a channel they may wish to watch. One's fair. The other's not.

I don't watch MTV, so I'm not defending the channel itself. I'm defending my right to choose what I want to watch, instead of having you choose for me. If I don't want to watch something, I don't. If I object to what's on the cable, overall, I'll cancel the cable.

I won't tell you what to watch or what not to watch. Please show me the same courtesy. Program your box or TV, or go to the site I listed above.
17 posted on 02/13/2004 12:24:53 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: AppyPappy
Here's a source of all sorts of ways to control what's on YOUR TV.


http://www.channelblocker.com/index.html
18 posted on 02/13/2004 12:27:15 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
"I'm defending my right to choose what to watch"

"The problem here is in demanding that nobody watch a channel that somebody thinks is evil."

First off, there isn't a problem, here. You make it sound as if this organization is engaged in some sort of censorship effort, to decide what you should watch. That's not it all. If you read the article, they are simply monitoring and providing parents with educational information, so they can decide if "they" should allow thier own children to be exposed to it. I can't figure out your objection to this groups efforts since it has no barring on the choices you make.
19 posted on 02/13/2004 12:33:21 PM PST by cwb (Kerry may have saved one man but he left thousands of others behind)
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To: MineralMan
Because, everytime the power goes out, I have to reprogram with my TV. The cable company should be able to just cut out MTV from my feed.
20 posted on 02/13/2004 12:34:47 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: MineralMan
I don't need those if the cable company just pulls MTV from the feed.

Or they can just deal with the mob.
21 posted on 02/13/2004 12:35:35 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
"I don't need those if the cable company just pulls MTV from the feed.
"

Well, since they can't pull it from just YOUR feed, then what you're advocating is that they pull it from everyone's feed.

That's nanny stuff. No thanks!
22 posted on 02/13/2004 12:37:11 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
BS. They can do it. They WON'T do it.
23 posted on 02/13/2004 12:43:20 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
"BS. They can do it. They WON'T do it.
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No, they can't do it. Your cable comes from a neighborhood distribution box. The signal coming to that box contains all the channels on your cable system. There is no way to block a particular channel at that point. The neighborhood distribution box is fed by a cable that also contains all the channels available on that cable's system. There's no way to block it before it gets to your set.

This applies to all non-digital channels you receive...the ones you can get without hooking up to a cable box in your house.

The digital channels...the ones that can't be received without the cable box...could be blocked from reception at your house, but MTV is _normally_ not one of those on most cable systems, since it carries advertizing and is generally distributed on the basic cable lineup.

However, YOU can block it very easily. Your cable box can do it. Your TV should be able to do it, as long as it's less than 6 years old.

The cable company cannot, however, block that signal just from YOUR house without blocking it from EVERY house.

As I said, you're proposing nanny stuff...the province of the liberals. Again, no thanks!
24 posted on 02/13/2004 12:52:38 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: chance33_98
"We recognize that this has the potential to cause conflict between teens and parents," said Jack Samad, senior vice president and producer of Sex & Young America.

As if this could be avoided.

25 posted on 02/13/2004 12:54:20 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: MineralMan
Funny. My old cable company blocked it. I guess they were light years ahead of everyone.
26 posted on 02/13/2004 12:59:13 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: MineralMan
I think what they want is an a la carte arrangement of channels. I personally would love to have some of the premium channels but can't afford them. I'd gladly trade all of the kiddy, game, religious, spanish, and "music" channels for one.

The reason this type of arrangement doesn't happen is that too many of the channels are owned by companies who also have stakes in the delivery. This makes it hard to persuade them to cut off part of their revenue stream.
27 posted on 02/13/2004 12:59:38 PM PST by GulliverSwift (Keep the <a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/">gigolo</a> out of the White House!)
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To: MineralMan
The problem here is in demanding that nobody watch a channel that somebody thinks is evil.

It's a matter of options. Most cable companies are practical monopolies in their towns. Suppose a community wants to allow Nickleodian but replace MTV with something else? I see no reason or social benefit to allow Viacom to bundle it's programming.

Concerning the concept of "evil" one has to recognize that it objectively exists and is more than a matter of opinion. A televangelist committing fraud is evil. Do you have a problem with the criminal prosecution of Jim Bakker & PTL?

I would call implying to pre-teens and teens that promiscuous sex is inconsequentional, and glamorous, "evil." If you are uncomfortable with "evil" then substitute "socially undesirable"

28 posted on 02/13/2004 1:18:25 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: AppyPappy
"Funny. My old cable company blocked it. I guess they were light years ahead of everyone.
"

So what is your cable company now? I know you're in Virginia, since that's on your profile. Do you have digital cable? What channel does MTV come in on there?
29 posted on 02/13/2004 1:29:09 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Tribune7
"It's a matter of options. Most cable companies are practical monopolies in their towns. Suppose a community wants to allow Nickleodian but replace MTV with something else? I see no reason or social benefit to allow Viacom to bundle it's programming. "

Community? What community? Does the "community" get to dictate to everyone in that community? That smacks of socialism, as far as I'm concerned.

Since it's now so easy to block channels in your home, the cable company can broadcast Nickelodeon and MTV, too, leaving the choices of what the individual subscribers want to watch up to the individual subscribers.

Do you not have the ability to block viewing of individual channels in your home? If not, what cable company has your subscription?
30 posted on 02/13/2004 1:32:17 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: GulliverSwift
"I think what they want is an a la carte arrangement of channels. I personally would love to have some of the premium channels but can't afford them. I'd gladly trade all of the kiddy, game, religious, spanish, and "music" channels for one.
"

Actually, that's coming, but not until digital cable service is everywhere. In order to customize your selection of channels, you'll need them all to be digital. Digital cable is actually an extension of the internet. Your digital cable box has an IP address, just like your computer. Once everything is digital, cable companies will be able to offer you whatever package you want. Right now, though, basic cable is mandated by most cable company's franchise agreements in the community.

It's full of channels which use advertising to pay for programming, so the cost to the cable company is low to provide basic cable service.

They charge too much for it, of course, but there it is.

You'll have your customizable cable system in a few years, where you pay for the channels you watch and don't get the channels you don't pay for. It won't be cheaper, though.
31 posted on 02/13/2004 1:39:58 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: GulliverSwift
"I think what they want is an a la carte arrangement of channels. I personally would love to have some of the premium channels but can't afford them. I'd gladly trade all of the kiddy, game, religious, spanish, and "music" channels for one.
"

Actually, that's coming, but not until digital cable service is everywhere. In order to customize your selection of channels, you'll need them all to be digital. Digital cable is actually an extension of the internet. Your digital cable box has an IP address, just like your computer. Once everything is digital, cable companies will be able to offer you whatever package you want. Right now, though, basic cable is mandated by most cable company's franchise agreements in the community.

It's full of channels which use advertising to pay for programming, so the cost to the cable company is low to provide basic cable service.

They charge too much for it, of course, but there it is.

You'll have your customizable cable system in a few years, where you pay for the channels you watch and don't get the channels you don't pay for. It won't be cheaper, though.
32 posted on 02/13/2004 1:40:53 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: All
Sorry for the double post.
33 posted on 02/13/2004 1:42:41 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Parents who don't want their children watching MTV should not get cable, or get basic cable or screen the shows they watch. I happen to like MTV but then I'm 30 and don't take it seriously.
34 posted on 02/13/2004 1:46:25 PM PST by cyborg
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To: chance33_98
We need a federal and state laws requiring cable and satelite providers to give subscribers the right to delete programing from being SENT to them. In other words, we subscribers need the right to delete specific offending programs (i.e. MTV, VHS, Oxygen, etc.) from the cable or satellite service they pay for. That way we can call up the provider and say "delete MTV, etc."

Just "parent locking" the show off your TV isn't good enough. It sends NO message to the provider, the advertisers and/or the proucers of these shows.

I would have loved to been able to delete these offending shows over the years, but when I inquired, I was told they were bundled with other programing, which I would lose as well.
35 posted on 02/13/2004 1:49:34 PM PST by Imagine
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To: cyborg
"Parents who don't want their children watching MTV should not get cable, or get basic cable or screen the shows they watch. I happen to like MTV but then I'm 30 and don't take it seriously."

Well, yes. My point exactly. Or they can go to the site for which I posted the URL and obtain tools to control what their children view.

I'd rather not have other people controlling what I view, though. I'm not a child.
36 posted on 02/13/2004 1:49:38 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: cwboelter
"First off, there isn't a problem, here. You make it sound as if this organization is engaged in some sort of censorship effort, to decide what you should watch. "

I went to:

http://www.stopMTV.org

With an organization name like that, it's clear what they want to do, don't you think. Indeed, the site says nothing about their actual goals. It's just a whine about MTV and a collection point for personal information of those who object to MTV.

What will they do with that info? Who knows?
37 posted on 02/13/2004 1:51:34 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Imagine
"I would have loved to been able to delete these offending shows over the years, but when I inquired, I was told they were bundled with other programing, which I would lose as well.

"

And they were telling you the truth. That will eventually change, and you'll be able to buy a package with just the channels you want, but the technology is just not there yet. Until cable is fully digital, you either buy the package or nothing. They can't do what you want yet.

Or...you can use the tools available to block any channel you don't want to see. How hard is that?
38 posted on 02/13/2004 1:53:44 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Community? What community?

The community with which the cable company contracts to provide an exclusive serivce.

Does the "community" get to dictate to everyone in that community?

No, but it gets to dictate to the cable company.

That smacks of socialism, as far as I'm concerned.

It's the status quo, albeit Viacom can refrain from providing channels that a community may want if the community should reject a particular offering.

Do you agree that it is unwise to promote the belief that sexual promiscuity is inconsequential and glamorous?

39 posted on 02/13/2004 2:15:35 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: Tribune7
"It's the status quo, albeit Viacom can refrain from providing channels that a community may want if the community should reject a particular offering.

Do you agree that it is unwise to promote the belief that sexual promiscuity is inconsequential and glamorous?"



Yes, I agree that it is unwise. Do you agree that it is unwise for the government to decide what you watch on television?

While I live in a town, I do not necessarily agree with the beliefs of the majority in that town. My community votes overwhelmingly for Democrats.

I do not want others deciding what I view on television. I do not want others deciding what I read. That's my job, not the "community's" job.

I am a community of one. I don't even agree 100% with my wife. I don't even want her telling me what I can and cannot watch on television, nor would I presume to tell her what to watch or not watch.

Anytime you abrogate your personal responsibility for your choices to the "community," you act in a socialistic manner.

Please block MTV in YOUR house. I don't watch it, myself, but you may not block it, or the Fox News Channel, or any other channel in MY house. Neither may the "community," whatever you think that might be.

Community standards are never standards for the members of the community. Each of us has the right (and responsibility) to set our own standards, as long as our actions do not break any laws or interfere with another's rights.

YOU do NOT get to decide what I watch on MY television set. It's that simple. I don't need a nanny.
40 posted on 02/13/2004 2:22:59 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Yes, I agree that it is unwise.

So what do you propose to do about it other than yap at those who are trying to do something about it?

YOU do NOT get to decide what I watch on MY television set. It's that simple.

LOL. Somebody is & it's not you. If it's over the air it's the FCC. If it's cable, it's the cable company.

Maybe you have a case if you are talking satellite and I would probably agree with you. I certainly agree concerning DVD or VHS.

41 posted on 02/13/2004 2:37:35 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: chance33_98
Research has also shown that 73 percent of boys and 78 percent of girls 12-19 years old watch MTV for more than 6 hours per week.

Frightening.

42 posted on 02/13/2004 2:41:53 PM PST by agrace
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To: MineralMan
Who cares. Just do what you're telling everyone else to do: block it, don't read it, ignore it. Take your own advice...or would you like to censor them? They have as much as a right to complain about this filth as you have to complain about them.
43 posted on 02/13/2004 2:45:09 PM PST by cwb (Kerry may have saved one man but he left thousands of others behind)
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To: Tribune7
"Yes, I agree that it is unwise.
So what do you propose to do about it other than yap at those who are trying to do something about it?"

I propose that people not allow their children to view MTV, by using the channel blocking features of their cable box or television set.

I propose the same thing if movies come over the cable that parents don't think their children should view.

What do you propose?
44 posted on 02/13/2004 2:46:25 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: cwboelter
"Who cares. Just do what you're telling everyone else to do: block it, don't read it, ignore it. Take your own advice...or would you like to censor them? They have as much as a right to complain about this filth as you have to complain about them.
"

Of course they have that right. No problem there. This is a discussion forum, and I'm discussing.

They can complain until their tongues bleed, if they want. The cable companies can ignore them just as long, as well. I will continue not to watch MTV, just as you can.

If I had children at home, I would block that channel. I can do it in 5 seconds with the cable box remote. So can the parents of any child. That's not what this group wants, though. They want to dictate to MTV what it may broadcast. That they don't get to do. As long as they have the means to control what is on their own television, they've got no complaint, as far as I can see.

They want to control what other people's children watch. Sorry...but this is the USA, not some socialist country.
45 posted on 02/13/2004 2:50:58 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
What do you propose?

I want Viacom to be prohibited from prohibiting (or penalizing) a cable provider from offering one of their channels while not offering another.

46 posted on 02/13/2004 2:57:48 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: MineralMan
"They want to control what other people's children watch. Sorry...but this is the USA, not some socialist country."

Could you please show me where they say they want to control what other people's children watch? All I've seen is an effort to inform unsuspecting parents of what it is that MTV broadcasts...the choice is still up to the parents. You sure like to throw around the socialist label to all those who don't see your point of view.
47 posted on 02/13/2004 2:59:52 PM PST by cwb (Kerry may have saved one man but he left thousands of others behind)
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To: Tribune7
"I want Viacom to be prohibited from prohibiting (or penalizing) a cable provider from offering one of their channels while not offering another."

OK, so contact Viacom and tell them that. Viacom is a corporation. Surely they have someone you can complain to.

It's just that they may make a decision you don't like. That's their right. Still don't like it? Disconnect your cable. Block all Viacom channels. Exercize YOUR rights.
48 posted on 02/13/2004 3:02:07 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
It's just that they may make a decision you don't like. That's their right. Still don't like it? Disconnect your cable. Block all Viacom channels. Exercize YOUR rights.

Or lobby for a law prohibiting the practice of bundling cable channels. That's also my right. And it's your right -- and Viacom's -- to lobby to keep the status quo.

49 posted on 02/13/2004 4:37:41 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: MineralMan
I was using Cablevision in Greensboro. We called them and they removed it. Now we use Adelphia. I have no idea what channel MTV is on because I don't watch it.
50 posted on 02/13/2004 5:37:26 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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