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Ex-POW Corrects Sen. Kerry- war hero
Internet Commentary ^ | February 3, 2004 | Mark A. Smith

Posted on 02/14/2004 7:00:13 AM PST by tvn

WHO IS JOHN KERRY, WAR HERO?

Everyday the media tiptoes around John Kerry as if he is an icon of service to the Nation. But why is his service to the nation in war not balanced against his return to longhaired freakdom to march against his fellow veterans still in the war, including myself? I was especially incensed when my communist captors quoted him in propaganda.

I had a discussion with Senator Kerry in Bangkok, Thailand. He made some surprising statements during that exchange. He stated emphatically that I should provide him with any information I had on missing Americans. This he stated he would take to Hanoi to discuss with the Communists. He didn't seem to understand the Communists knew where the POWs were and needed no help from him to "find them." Expert on war? Hardly! He then stated that no matter what I had there would be no military operation to rescue them. In other words, Senator Kerry felt that Americans were worth talking about, but not worth fighting for.

Kerry brought up his service on patrol boats in Vietnam in a very defensive way with me, "you weren't the only one in that war, I was on those patrol boats?" My answerer "surely you are not attempting to compare anything you did in that war to my contribution to that endeavor!" I did not say that to belittle the Senator, but to only give him a reality check. He said he had an important appointment. The insinuation was it dealt with the MIAs. Then a small child came up to us and said, "my Mom said it is time to go." Kerry sheepishly moved away. "All show and no go," just another paper thin ego.

I was invited to lunch by his staffer Francis. She stated in an adoring manner that John Kerry would some day be the President of the United States. My answer was short and succinct," Based on what?" She said, "He's a war hero." I said, "but he then marched in a filthy uniform and threw his medals over the White House fence." She then told me the medals were someone else's. I merely stated it showed disrespect to honors received on the battlefield by "Someone." End of discussion on that.

Someone in the Asian customs stated a rumor that Senator Kerry purchased a tiger skin in Vietnam and officials were told to ignore it. Somehow Vietnam Veterans got the story and as far as I know, there has never been a denial from the great "environmentalist" John Kerry. But true or not it gives a good look at how Kerry operates. Take the "war hero" the next. Take the "Champion of MIAs" one day and the "we aren't going to war for them" the next day and you have John Kerry.

Senator Kerry threatened to order me before his committee unless I gave him intelligence to carry to Hanoi. My answer? "you do not have to order me before your committee, I'll be there." I waited but, when I called Francis and said I was in America and ready to put the record straight on the rumor about Ross Perot being spread by committee staff, she said." I'm sorry Mark we have run out of money to bring you here." I said; "I have miles to burn and will pay my own way." She said she would discuss it with Kerry and get back to me. I never heard from her or the "War Hero" again. Vietnam Veterans beware. The best way to describe John Kerry's attempts to be all things to all people is, "Heinz 57."

There has been much sniping at President Bush for being a fighter pilot in the Air National Guard. Liberals who seem to believe September Eleventh was somehow our fault and most surely the President's, laugh at his flying to an aircraft carrier to welcome home U.S. Troops. They said he looked silly dressed as a pilot. No candidate for President had more right to dress like that, than George Bush; he is a fighter pilot. Where were these people, when the draft dodging Clinton wore a "Tanker Jacket" when visiting the troops? A part of a uniform he evaded wearing in time of war. I hope Kerry does not show up to see the troops, if elected, in the ragged field jacket and head ban, he wore in the peace marches. When time to honor a battlefield hero, I hope he does not have a "flashback" and throw our Nation's highest award over the White House fence. After all, he does think throwing other people's medals over that fence is all right.

Lastly, as Guard and Reserve Troops fight and die for our freedom, I don't want any Commander In Chief who would think their service a joke. Further, if the big time Vietnam Veteran Kerry knew a thing about the Vietnam War, other than how deep the river was, he would know Guard and Reserve Pilots regularly flew combat missions in Vietnam. I for one appreciated the support.

"War Hero?" O.K., he received the Silver Star. But, "Expert" on war? No John, but those of us who are, will take the honest leadership of President Bush anytime over you. You have not changed a bit from the time of the Vietnam War. Your wet finger is still in the air checking the political winds, before making any decision or changing one already made. We are at war and I know war. Your brand of equivocation on every issue costs lives in a war and I don't want more dead and wounded here and abroad. You went to war and then marched against it and those of us who still fought. I know you as "Springtime Patriot" and then as a "Winter Soldier." People should look up what you said during your "Winter Soldier" days. You voted for the present war and now you condemn it. You may be an Ivy League graduate, but, your war record is minor league and your leadership is straight out of the "Waffle House." If being President is going to be based on medals earned in battle, there are a whole lot of us in front of you, John Kerry. There is one last thing that places all of your fellow veterans ahead of you in the honor department, with the exception of a few of your fellow "Winter Solders." We had too much respect for our fellow warriors, who fell on the field of battle, to throw even our lowest award over the White House fence. If you keep running on the "warrior ticket," you will lose sailor! For on that ticket, you are who you have always been.......NOBODY.

Mark A. Smith - DSC Major, USA, Retired Member, The Legion of Valor Returned Prisoner of War 2723 West 179th Street Torrance, CA 90504


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Why have we not heard from the other crew members of Kerry's boat involved in the attack in the Mekong Delta??????
1 posted on 02/14/2004 7:00:14 AM PST by tvn
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To: tvn
bump
2 posted on 02/14/2004 7:05:01 AM PST by XHogPilot (motto of AirForce Rescue: These things we do, that others may live)
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To: tvn
where are they

IMO they are ashame they were connected with a commie navy officer.
3 posted on 02/14/2004 7:13:02 AM PST by solo gringo (Always Ranting Always Rite)
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To: tvn
John F. Kerry, (D., Waffle House)

Rational Americans for Bush.   The Moron Vote for Kerry.

This is an interesting article.   Thanks.

4 posted on 02/14/2004 7:14:23 AM PST by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops!)
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To: solo gringo
Or Fat Teddy was supposed to drive them to the interviews.
5 posted on 02/14/2004 7:16:27 AM PST by White Eagle
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To: tvn
You may be an Ivy League graduate, but, your war record is minor league and your leadership is straight out of the "Waffle House."

Waffle House? I like it. He may have started something here. :)

Why have we not heard from the other crew members of Kerry's boat involved in the attack in the Mekong Delta??????

An excellent question! There were pictures of them on another thread with their names, etc. Seems like they shouldn't be too hard to track down. Perhaps the pubbies are saving this delight for later?

6 posted on 02/14/2004 7:16:38 AM PST by upchuck (Help Stop Animal Overpopulation - Spay/Neuter Your Pets and Any Weird Friends Too...)
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To: tvn
***The Hard & Fast Facts The Democrats & Media STILL Don't Understand***

1. Americans are glad Saddam is gone and his rotten kids are dead.

We're glad GWB had the balls Clinton didn't have, and we're glad that GWB gave us the reason, or even just the cover, to go kick his ass out of power...3000 Americans were killed by these bastards and Saddam was happy about it and WOULD have helped if he didn't.

This bastard was paying suicide bombers...Americans don't give a damn whether we ever find those WMD, we wanted his head and we got it.

That's why Libya came across and the others will too....they know that GWB means what he says and if they don't we're coming after them, next. You betcha.

The UN and the rest of the world knows GWB and America means what it says, this ain't the clinton's any more....

2. Kerry will never be elected President.

Americans have a deep sense of fairness, and even those of us who didn't go to Viet Nam, knew that our friends that did, didn't want to go, and those of us MEN, who were subjected to the draft, (and you women can just stay out of this...it's like having a baby....that's yours, the draft is ours) felt deep inside for the friends we lost, and that POS Kerry joining Hanoi Jane, (a woman not subjected to the draft, and a traitor) was a betrayal, and we are never going to forgive him for his testimony against the soldiers who were fighting....we protested the war, not those who were FORCED, OFTEN against their will, to go fight it.......

So you liberals in the press and the PC democrats can whistle any tune or tell any lie you want.....We're with GWB and that's the way it is.

7 posted on 02/14/2004 7:19:15 AM PST by The Wizard (Slimeocrats are enemies of America)
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To: tvn
Every republican starts a comment about Kerry by saying "he's a war hero, but...".

I'm tired of the Reps saying that. Someone needs to point out that all Kerry did was shoot a Cong after he was likley already dead, and carry away his weapon.

It's pretty obvious Kerry, in 1966, figured his best resume gathering requirement to be president (which apparently is a goal he made as a teenager) was to go to war. By the time he got home, it was apparent that the opposite was true, and he became a war protester.

With his yale "bonesman" connections, I don't doubt that all the medals he received were more due to personal politicking, rather than any real "valor".

In at least two of his purple heart citations, his wounds were litteral scratches. I don't doubt someone like Kerry would scratch himself in battle, only for the medal. Particularly since by collecting three purple hearts, he got an immediate trip home.

8 posted on 02/14/2004 7:19:54 AM PST by narby (Who would Osama vote for???)
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To: nutmeg
read later bump
9 posted on 02/14/2004 7:21:22 AM PST by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F'in Kerry!)
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To: tvn
bttt
10 posted on 02/14/2004 7:23:11 AM PST by Dante3
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To: tvn
What a person does during military service does not exempt them from criticism and immunity of what they do after they are discharged. The traitor Kerry's lies before Congress and on "Meet the Press" were scandalous and treasonous. I don't care how many medals they gave him! Semper Fi, Kelly
11 posted on 02/14/2004 7:24:02 AM PST by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. 1969 &70 U.S.M.C. Semper Fi)
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To: tvn
You may be an Ivy League graduate, but, your war record is minor league and your leadership is straight out of the "Waffle House."

Disagree. Senator Kerry can only wish that he possessed the management skills of those who created Waffle House. The leadership there must be doing things right as, according to the website, there are 1400 Waffle House restaurants in 25 states. They have served half a billion waffles which coincidentally is approximately the number of dollars Senator Kerry is currently married to and also the number of positions Senator Kerry has taken on various issues.

12 posted on 02/14/2004 7:24:36 AM PST by catpuppy
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To: tvn
Kind of have a problem with the writer's thinking on this subject. Maybe the whole quote wasn't repeated and if it was his interpretation would make more sense, but going from what it says I just don't follow.

He [Kerry] stated emphatically that I should provide him with any information I had on missing Americans. This he stated he would take to Hanoi to discuss with the Communists. He didn't seem to understand the Communists knew where the POWs were and needed no help from him to "find them."

Now the first thing I thought when I read that part is that Kerry would have wanted to have something to go to the commies with to make them hand over the POW's because we know where they are.
13 posted on 02/14/2004 7:28:30 AM PST by NoLongerLurking (logic and thought will set you free)
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To: tvn
If you keep running on the "warrior ticket," you will lose sailor! For on that ticket, you are who you have always been.......NOBODY. - Agreed!
14 posted on 02/14/2004 7:30:05 AM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: catpuppy
Off subject: I've had only horrible experiences in "Waffle House" establishments. My kids call them the "Awful House". The are certainly not IHOPs. Enough of that.
15 posted on 02/14/2004 7:33:29 AM PST by NutmegDevil
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To: tvn
It's about time we heard from someone like this.
Will the media listen and report, or will they decide (for those who might listen) that this should not make it through their "filter?" If so, will they admit the nature of that "filter?"
16 posted on 02/14/2004 7:38:06 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: tvn
You're right. I think the only fellow soldier heard from from the Kerry camp was the one wh's life was saved by Kerry who was on the stage in ?Iowa?.

Why haven't we heard from any of the others? Flattering reports from his fellow servicemen must not be out there because if they were I'm certain we'd have heard them over ABCCBSNBSMSNBSCNN.
17 posted on 02/14/2004 7:41:30 AM PST by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: tvn
People should look up what you said during your "Winter Soldier" days.

Kerry testified April 1971 to the Foreign Relations Committee that a large number American soldiers

had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks,...

http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html

If true, then no wonder Jane Fonda sided with the communists, especially since Kerry also said they had the better human rights record.

18 posted on 02/14/2004 7:48:27 AM PST by secretagent
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To: tvn
"
"...and your leadership
is straight out of the "Waffle House"

Now that is classy. The whole article is superb. The writer's aim is right on the mark.
19 posted on 02/14/2004 7:53:15 AM PST by harpo11 (Hey, President Bush is Fighting "the evil doers". John Kerry is still fighting Viet Nam.)
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To: tvn
I read an article describing how angry two of them were after Kerry's testimony..they said civilians were sometimes killed,never targeted and the scenes he described did not happen..Now one has forgiven and supports,the other can't forget his testimony,unsure of vote.I can't recall where I read it.
20 posted on 02/14/2004 7:57:49 AM PST by MEG33 (BUSH/CHENEY '04...for the sake of our nation)
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To: secretagent
In his book "Stolen Valor" B.G. Burkett says that Kerry's speech was not "off-the-cuff" but carefully rehearsed. And the speech was actually written by a speechwriter named Adam Walinsky who had worked for Robert Kennedy. (STOLEN VALOR - page 135).

21 posted on 02/14/2004 7:58:29 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: tvn
Great post....great read. Thank you.
22 posted on 02/14/2004 7:59:32 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: tvn
I was especially incensed when my communist captors quoted him in propaganda.

This is still the real story. Kerry has lots of explaining and apologizing to do here.

23 posted on 02/14/2004 8:03:27 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Mrs Zip; BOBWADE
ping
24 posted on 02/14/2004 8:03:52 AM PST by zip
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To: narby
"his Yale bonesman connections"...GWB is a Bonesman, too. The Bonesman are pledged to help each other. GHWB is also a Bonesman. Interesting to see who gets the help. I guess it will be divided.

vaudine
25 posted on 02/14/2004 8:05:56 AM PST by vaudine
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To: jigsaw

The Moron Vote for Kerry
Vote with your heinzs--end.

26 posted on 02/14/2004 8:06:48 AM PST by harpo11 (Hey, President Bush is Fighting "the evil doers". John Kerry is still fighting Viet Nam.)
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To: tvn
Interesting... BUMP!
27 posted on 02/14/2004 8:08:16 AM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: The Wizard
and those of us MEN, who were subjected to the draft, (and you women can just stay out of this...it's like having a baby....that's yours, the draft is ours)

I've never heard it stated better. Why women shouldn't be on the battlefield and they shouldn't feel slighted by it. The Lord knows they throw the having babies thing up in our faces often enough.
28 posted on 02/14/2004 8:11:31 AM PST by johnb838 (Kerry is a traitor.)
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To: kellynla
Kerry has been giving aid and comfort to the enemy and getting Americans killed RIGHT NOW, in the last six months.
29 posted on 02/14/2004 8:13:21 AM PST by johnb838 (Kerry is a traitor.)
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To: narby
I'm beginning to wonder if Kerry's admittedly superficial "wounds" were self inflicted, since no one has come forward that personally saw him get wounded. Also, he seems to have stated at some time that he was a part of killing innocent Vietnamese women and children. Why did he not come forward with the names of the people who did this with him and have them (and himself) prosecuted for war crimes.
If the Democrats insist on calling Bush a "deserter" for rescheduling some Guard drills, why not ask Kerry if 3 superficial wounds make you a "war hero", and if he considers himself guilty or war crimes and if his anti war activity should brand him as a traitor? Republicans better get themselves a Michael Moore our there to bring these things up or Kerry will get away with his fraudulent "war hero" claims.
30 posted on 02/14/2004 8:16:28 AM PST by afz400
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To: jigsaw
John F. Kerry, (D., Waffle House)

Does anyone here like ketchup on waffles?

31 posted on 02/14/2004 8:22:22 AM PST by reg45
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To: tvn
Sen. Kerry- war hero...Benedict Arnold - (Revolutionary) war hero
32 posted on 02/14/2004 8:29:33 AM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: isthisnickcool
In his book "Stolen Valor" B.G. Burkett says that Kerry's speech was not "off-the-cuff" but carefully rehearsed. And the speech was actually written by a speechwriter named Adam Walinsky who had worked for Robert Kennedy. (STOLEN VALOR - page 135).

But Walinsky and Kerry both deny it:

Vice President Spiro T. Agnew briefly led the White House charge against Kerry. Appearing in the Bahamas, Agnew said that Kerry, "who drew rave notices in the media for his eloquent testimony before Congress, was later revealed to have been using material ghosted for him by a former Kennedy speechwriter, and to have spent most of his nights in posh surroundings in Georgetown rather than on the Mall with his buddies."

Both of Agnew's charges were false, according to Kerry and Walinsky, the former Kennedy aide to whom Agnew referred.

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061703.shtml

33 posted on 02/14/2004 8:29:33 AM PST by secretagent
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To: johnb838
ain't it the truth...
34 posted on 02/14/2004 8:32:03 AM PST by The Wizard (Slimeocrats are enemies of America)
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To: tvn
I don't think that beaching your Fast Boat to smoke a lone wounded VC is particulatly bright.
35 posted on 02/14/2004 8:32:50 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Bush Bot by choice)
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To: secretagent
I've met B.G. Burkett. I spent the day with him once in 1999. When he was promoting his book "Stolen Valor" and was basically selling the book by himself. He's a top-notch imvestigator. I believe him.
36 posted on 02/14/2004 8:35:13 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: solo gringo; tvn
See my posts here .... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1077974/posts#7.....

I left that station after my one year tour the exact month John " Panties Le Bunche" Kerry arrived. Something smells to me, and it sure doesn't smell right.

Nam Vet

37 posted on 02/14/2004 8:39:24 AM PST by Nam Vet
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To: tvn
Why have we not heard from the other crew members of Kerry's boat involved in the attack in the Mekong Delta??????

Fear!!!

38 posted on 02/14/2004 8:46:12 AM PST by hgro
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To: tvn
Great article! BUMP!
39 posted on 02/14/2004 8:52:24 AM PST by Sister_T (Democrats AND The Lamestream Press are the REAL enemies to freedom in the world!)
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To: tvn
I was just wondering if anyone checked on John Kerry's record in the Naval Reserves? Wouldn't he have had to have shown up for his Reserve service? At bio sites such as CNN it states he was in the Reserves up to 1978. Where did he do his Reserve service? Just curious, as I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. I also don't understand how he kept his commission with his anti-military remarks and protests after his Vietnam service.
40 posted on 02/14/2004 8:55:25 AM PST by mootownkck (What was Kerry's Naval Reserve record?)
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To: The Wizard
So they want to attack my President. Well, Bring it Yaaaawn! If they want to play the game of the politics of personal destruction with their allies in the media, well bring it Yaawn. The facts will come out and they will be the ones damaged and destroyed in the end. It is sad though that so many idealist sixty’s children have aged so poorly in their later years. That is what happens when you become dinosaurs and realize that this is probably their last chance at turning this country into the Communist paradise they all dreamed in their 20s. The really sad part is they are left with trying to turn the heros over in Iraq into Viet Nam Vets!

PravdABDNC and the rest of the leftist shills are trying to paint President George Bush into a liar. They are selling the American people 24/7 that there is not or ever was WMD in Iraq. We were sitting on their doorstep for six months and can speculate that he razed his weapon’s program or he was bluffing the world. Either way, it was not for President Bush to decide which it was or he would have been AWOL of his duties to ignore it like they did. After 9/11 the make nice with the terrorist mode of the TerroRat Party was no longer an option and still isn’t.

Now we have the nattering neighbobs clamoring that he did the wrong thing and lied to the country??? The big lie is that they can pretend that they even care about this country let alone the military or the CIA. These people have destroyed the morale and efficiency of the CIA and military over the past 20 years and now it is W’s fault that there are problems? Nobody, even PravdABC or Saddamn knows if those weapons were or were not there. Course the lackeys in PravdABDNC can choose which side to believe and push, 4th estate; try 4th axis of evil!

All of this continues to undermine the honor of our military, which is their real end goal. The left was at it’s apex when we crawled out of Viet Nam. This was when Jane Fonda, Abby Hoffman, Jerry Rubin and John Kerry were able to spit on the flag and had a real chance of moving this country to the Communist paradise they believe in. They with their Viet Vets Against the War and assorted Soviet funded anti-war anti-America protests brought this country down and made us leave Viet Nam early. Never mind the 10-20 million SE Asians that were immediately slaughtered because we went AWOL on South Viet Nam which should have become a South Korea, but Jerry Rubin Kerry had bigger fish to fry....US!

Now Jerry Rubin Kerry wants to do to Iraq what he did to Viet Nam. Rather than celebrating and parading our soldiers freeing of 25 million people from a brutal Communist Dictator he needs our troops coming home in shame. The WMD is nothing more than a convenient way to club the military’s accomplishments without upsetting the American electorate. If the electorate realized that this was the usual blame America first crowd attacking America they would be hammered come election time. However, if they hide behind the fact that WMD was not located then they have free reign to say and do what they like, just like in Viet Nam and those phony Civil War charges.

This country has done something very special in world history. Out of nothing more than wanting peace in the world and ridding it of a terrorist country it has freed millions of oppressed people. This country has an opportunity with the talent and hard working folks of this baby boomer generation of making this world a safer and better place. Unfortunately, my generation has a large group of interlopers like Witch Clinton and Jerry Rubin Kerry who fail to realize that Communism is fundamentally flawed by power thirsty people and that they were wrong about Viet Nam. They hate the military and the CIA and will never change their minds. They will do anything they can to destroy this country and will attack her in any way they can. They are now turning an event that should be celebrated, and for their own political thirst are attempting to make our boys feel like those Viet Nam Vets. Heck, we may even end up with a scar memorial if Jerry Rubin Kerry has his way?? Unfortunately, when my generation dies that will finally be the dead end of Communism, because too many of us cannot admit we were wrong back then and are still wrong. My generation had a chance to be something special, but we have a cancer in it that will not go away. If you want to see the tumor just listen to Jerry Rubin Kerry. God Bless and God Bless America!

Pray for W and Our Troops

41 posted on 02/14/2004 8:55:32 AM PST by bray (Comrade Kerry's got some splainin to do!!!)
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To: harpo11
ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's wonderful!

BTW, it is R. Emmet Tyrell who coined -- and who often uses -- the phrase The Moron Vote.

I have yet to hear a more perfect description of Democratic voters.

Plus, I think the phrase could be effective with some voters who wouldn't want to be associated with it.

I hope it becomes a common phrase.

42 posted on 02/14/2004 8:58:58 AM PST by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops!)
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To: tvn
I would like to hear Jim Stockdale's take on Kerry. He usually won't say anything about anyone, but I'm sure he's thinking it. He was the highest ranking POW during Nam. I'm sure he appreciated Kerry's antics.
43 posted on 02/14/2004 9:02:57 AM PST by Pure Country
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To: tvn
I would like to hear Jim Stockdale's take on Kerry. He usually won't say anything about anyone, but I'm sure he's thinking it. He was the highest ranking POW during Nam. I'm sure he appreciated Kerry's antics.
44 posted on 02/14/2004 9:04:25 AM PST by Pure Country
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To: tvn
This might be a good one to save and mail in to our local OP ED pages in October.
45 posted on 02/14/2004 9:09:22 AM PST by Poser
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To: tvn
Why have we not heard from the other crew members of Kerry's boat involved in the attack in the Mekong Delta??????

They would be HIS band of brothers - no?

46 posted on 02/14/2004 9:10:37 AM PST by Libloather (Charter member - VRWC - # EIB-04151982)
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To: vaudine
George should invite Kerry over to the White House for a movie...
47 posted on 02/14/2004 9:17:10 AM PST by Dog Anchor
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To: bray
indeed....
48 posted on 02/14/2004 9:22:06 AM PST by The Wizard (Slimeocrats are enemies of America)
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To: jigsaw
John F. Kerry, (D., Waffle House)

While I hate to contradict you(something that is frowned upon here) let's get it straight!
Gene Fing Kerrey (D. France)
49 posted on 02/14/2004 9:30:54 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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Kerry speaks about HIS War Crimes

Portion of John Kerry remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" May 6, 2001:

MR. RUSSERT: You mentioned you're a military guy. There's been a lot of discussion about Bob Kerrey, your former Democratic colleague in the Senate, about his talking about his anguish about what happened in Vietnam. You were on this program 30 years ago as a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. And we went back and have an audiotape of that and some still photos. And your comments are particularly timely in this overall discussion of Bob Kerrey. And I'd like for you to listen to those with our audience and then try to put that war into some context:

(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):

MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

(End audiotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Thirty years later, you stand by that?

SEN. KERRY: I don't stand by the genocide. I think those were the words of an angry young man. We did not try to do that. But I do stand by the description-I don't even believe there is a purpose served in the word "war criminal." I really don't. But I stand by the rest of what happened over there, Tim.

I mean, you know, we-it was-I mean, we've got to put this war in its right perspective and time helps us do that. I believe very deeply that it was a noble effort to begin with. I signed up. I volunteered. I wanted to go over there and I wanted to win. It was a noble effort to try to make a country democratic; to try to carry our principles and values to another part of the world. But we misjudged history. We misjudged our own country. We misjudged our strategy. And we fell into a dark place. All of us. And I think we learned that over time. And I hope the contribution that some of us made as veterans was to come back and help people understand that.

I think our soldiers served as nobly, on the whole, as in any war, and people need to understand that. There were great sacrifices, great contributions. And they came back to a country that didn't thank the veteran, that didn't-I mean, everything that the veteran gained in the ensuing years, Agent Orange recognition, post-Vietnam stress syndrome recognition, the extension of the G.I. Bill, you know, improvement of the V.A. hospitals, all came from Vietnam veterans themselves fighting for it. Indeed, even the memorial in Washington came from that.

MR. RUSSERT: By your own comments, Bob Kerrey was not alone in doing the things that he did.

SEN. KERRY: Oh, of course, not. And not only that, we, the government of our country, ran an assassination program. I mean, Bill Colby has acknowledged it. We had the Phoenix Program, where they actually went into villages to eliminate the civilian infrastructure of the Vietcong. Now, you couldn't tell the difference in many cases who they were. And countless veterans testified 30 years ago to that reality. And I think-look, there's no excusing shooting children in cold blood, or women, and killing them in cold blood. There isn't, under any circumstances. But we're not asking, you know, nor is Bob Kerrey saying, "Excuse us for what we did." We're asking people to try to understand the context and forgiveness. And I think the nation needs to understand what the nation put its young in a position to do, and move on and take those lessons and apply them to the future.

MR. RUSSERT: The folks who oversaw the war, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger, you do not now 30 years later consider them war criminals?

SEN. KERRY: No, I think we did things that were tantamount that certainly violated the laws of war, but I think it was the natural consequence of the Cold War itself. People made decisions based on their perceptions of the world at that time. They were in error. They were judgments of error. But I think no purpose is served now by going down that road. I think, you know, the rhetoric of youth and of anger can be redeemed by the acts that we put in place after time to try to move us beyond that. And I think there are great lessons to learn from it. But we would serve no purpose with that now. But we have to be honest about the mistakes we made. We don't have legitimacy in the world, Tim, if we go to other countries, in Bosnia or China or anywhere else, and not say, "You know, we made some terrible mistakes."

And that honesty, that lack of a sense of honesty is part of what is driving people's anger toward the United States today. That's why we have the vote in the U.N. That's why people-our allies, too-are disturbed by this defense posture. You can't abrogate the ABM treaty and move forward on your own to build this defense in a way that threatens the perceptions of security people have. And if you build a defense system, Tim, that can do what they say at the outside, which is change mutual assured destruction, you have invited a potential adversary to build, build, build, to find a way around it. The lesson of the Cold War is, you do not make this planet safer by moving unilaterally into a place of new weapons. Every single advance in weaponry through the Cold War was matched by one side or the other, and that's why we put the ABM treaty in place, and that's why we need to proceed very cautiously and very thoughtfully.

MR. RUSSERT: John Kerry, we thank you for your views.

SEN. KERRY: Thank you.

Did Kerry lie when he spoke before Congress (the quote above was not from his Congressional tesimony), did he deliberately tell falsehoods and exagerations so as to end the war quicker (by providing aid and comfort to the enemy) or did he participate in warcrimes?

The answer to both of those questions is more important than nagging DNC questions about if George W. Bush was AWOL despite evidence he wasn't. These questions are also more important than questions about John Kerry sexually harassing an aide and the DNC knows it; they'd rather talk about sex than Kerry's Vietnam past.

50 posted on 02/14/2004 10:01:12 AM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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