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Debatable: Should blacks receive reparations for past slavery?
Journal Times Online, WI ^
| 2/12/04
| Phyllis Sides
Posted on 02/15/2004 6:33:00 AM PST by schaketo
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To: schaketo
"Most living Americans do have a connection with slavery. They have inherited the preferential advantage, if they are white, or the loathsome disadvantage, if they are Black; and those positions are virtually as alive today as they were in the 19th century." Try telling my daughter, who is currently filling out scholarship applications for next school year, that she has a "preferential advantage." She is acutely aware of the fact that if her skin was black or brown instead of white, she wouldn't be strapped with thousands of dollars in student loans to pay back after she graduates.
White, middle class kids need not apply.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:02:08 AM PST
by
PLK
To: schaketo
They can get in line after us Jews, Irish, and Chinese.
To: schaketo
"Black people don't need no respirations"
"What black people need is to stop lying"...quotes from "Barber Shop"
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:07:50 AM PST
by
evad
("You cannot divorce yourself from your record.")
To: schaketo
Who owes whom? Hummm
How much do Blacks owe the Whites that freed their ass? Many a white man died and millions of white dollars were spent in the effort to make all men free.
You never hear a black man thank the white men that made their live better. Blacks in a American have more "opportunity" than blacks in any other county including the Mother-land. There has never been a great, modern, industrial African society! Blacks should be happy they are part of the great American society!
To: evad
If they could ever arrive at a one-time payment amount that would stop all the whining and carping, I would kick in my share immediately.
And you can thank Clinton for all this with his crazy apology binge he was on back in the prestain days. That and the nuclear technology to China that is popping up in Libya today.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:16:40 AM PST
by
Thebaddog
(Woof this!)
To: schaketo
repatriate EVERYBODY ____________________ [empty America].
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:16:53 AM PST
by
ANRCHTN
To: schaketo
These two threads came up when I hit Browse, in this exact order. Honest!!!!
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:19:22 AM PST
by
P.O.E.
(Think of all the accidents you never hear about because they don't happen.)
To: schaketo
The "reparations movement" is a scam masquerading as a moral issue.
To: Common Tator
Everybody ought to pay each other reparations.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:24:23 AM PST
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: schaketo
Why do people miss the most salient question of all?
Under what theory of law is ' victimhood' an inheritable asset?
One cannot inherit the status of victim any more than one can inherit the status of hero from one's ancestors.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:30:17 AM PST
by
tcuoohjohn
(Follow The Money)
To: schaketo
Two years ago (I think) the President of Benin, a coastal African country, made a speech in New Orleans in which he apologized to American blacks for his country's role in the slave trade. He admitted that before any whites could own blacks, black Africans first captured them inland and brought them to the coast.
Therefore, the FIRST STEP in any reparations is for African nations to pay America. Then we'll discuss the rest. Course, at that point, there won't be any further discussion.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:31:42 AM PST
by
LS
(CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
To: William Terrell
Pretty good. As I mention above, first subtract the dollar amounts that AFRICAN nations owe to American blacks for their share. $40,000 divided by 50%= $20,000.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:33:25 AM PST
by
LS
(CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
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To: schaketo
Yeah sure, I'm all for it.. The line starts behind me. < /sarcasm>
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:33:49 AM PST
by
semaj
("....by their fruit you will know them.")
To: William Terrell
Excellent, Bill!
I would also calculate the amount of money paid to Black Americans in the form a welfare and other Government programs since the end of slavery and subtract that from any reparation fund. Additionally, any white American who was denied employment to meet Affirmative Action quotas should have a right to reparations as well, also coming from the fund, and the black beneficiary of that program should have to repay any salary earned from the employment.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:39:10 AM PST
by
Ignatz
(Helping people be more like me since 1960....)
To: ANRCHTN
repatriate EVERYBODY ____________________ [empty America]. I haven't seen any mention of reparations for things like the Trail of Tears, etc.....So even if we DID repatriate everybody, it would not clear up everything.
Plus, were would we "Heinz 57's" go? Would we have to spend a certain percentage of remaining lives in various countries? :-)
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:40:32 AM PST
by
Gorzaloon
(Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
To: schaketo
I believe any AA individual who is 137 years old or more should get reparations.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:41:01 AM PST
by
angkor
The 19th century looked at things differently than do people today. The Victorians thought that giving the slaves freedom was enough...That it would be "good for them" to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. The Freedman's Bureaus went to the slaveholding regions and set up shop, distributing durable goods and foods to both white and black, and teaching the freed slaves how to read and write.
Maybe it was unrealistic to think that people who'd been slaves could be readied for freedom by the efforts of the Freedman's Bureau alone, but that's how they thought then. And if we could go back in time and tell them of the "reparations" scam, they would say that the "40 acres and a mule" promise was irrelevant, as it was NOT an official pronouncement of congress and/or the president, and that the work of the Freedman's Bureaus WAS "reparations"...literally, their work at spreading literacy and charity was meant to "repair" the damages done by enslavement.
The argument that whites have a "preferential advantage" is demonstrably false. Admissions points for race, race norming on civil service exams, quotas....Others have brought up these points and no doubt others will, and better than I can.
The "the Japanese and the Jews got reparations, so we should too" argument is so ludicrous it isn't worth while to refute. I would say that anyone who presents THAT as an argument proves that s/he is either incredibly stupid or a con artist who hopes everyone ELSE is stupid. The Japanese internees who got financial payouts were those who were actually interned. Not any and every person in the USA who is of Japanese descent. And "the Jews" who got money were those who were actually in the death camps. The money is NOT being handed to anyone who happens to be Jewish...Even the CHILDREN of those who died in the death camps are not automatically eligible.
Two things : The reparations supporters think that "suffering" and "guilt" are inheritable qualities linked to melanin and blood. That goes against all concepts of law in our society : We don't have 'blood guilt' or 'blood feuds'.
Second : If reparations ever passes ,it won't be because those who pass it give a d**n about blacks...it'll be done as a declaration of war against poor/working class/middle class whites, whom the elite regard as retrograde racist, sexist, xenophobic thugs responsible for all the evil in the world. Therefore, I consider it inevitable that the wealthy (mostly) white liberal Powers That Be in the media, academia, law, and (maybe) the corporations will eventually embrace reparations,and they will do all in their power to make it 'fashionable'.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:44:18 AM PST
by
kaylar
To: schaketo
Every one of these arguments has been made thousands of times before, and every one of them has been answered. If common sense prevails -- a risky proposition at best -- there will be no "reparations" for slavery. If political correctness wins, there will still be no reparations, because no politician would be fool enough to impose the tax to pay for them.
There is no way a legal case can be built for damages resulting from an institution that ended more than 140 years ago.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:46:04 AM PST
by
IronJack
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