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The WB Cancels Joss Whedon's "Angel"
IGN Insider ^ | February 13, 2004 | KJB

Posted on 02/15/2004 9:37:59 AM PST by mosel-saar-ruwer

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To: proust
I have watch DS repeats and they are slow as mud.
41 posted on 02/15/2004 1:57:11 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: mewzilla
I did. Didn't take :)

Try it again. :-) I only managed to catch 1 or 2 episodes of Stargate SG-1 when they aired, but my wife had seen more and wanted the series DVDs, so I bought her the first season and sat down to watch them with her (after rewatching the original movie which inspired it).

And it was *great*. After finishing the first season, I went right out and bought the second season DVD set. We'll be getting the rest of the series as soon as we get the time to finish the second season box.

I've been extremely impressed by SG-1. Good writing, good acting, good characters, good plots, good twists... After the 99 different Star Trek series, I'd have thought that the "strange new worlds" theme would have been wrung dry by now, but I'm constantly amazed at how SG-1 can take "old" science fiction ideas and make them fresh and exciting again.

But it absolutely helps to watch it from the beginning, in order. Like any really good series, it builds upon what has happened before and isn't just a string of random adventures that have no connection to each other. An episode pulled out of context will lose a great deal since the viewer is expected to know the past histories of the characters, discoveries the team has made, and the "sociopolitical" situations of both the humans and the different alien species.

And although it's primarily an action/drama, it's quite often funnier than any sitcom, without being blatantly "jokey". There's just a great interaction between the characters and situations:

Daniel: Wow, this place is incredible. It's like we just stepped into the citadel at Mycenae.
Jack O'Neill: I thought you said it was Greek.
Daniel: Oh, Mycenae was an ancient city in the Southern Pelopponesian region.
Jack O'Neill: Where's that?
Daniel: Greece.
Jack O'Neill: Why do I do that?
I'm definitely hooked.
42 posted on 02/15/2004 2:00:28 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: GreatOne
If that's true, just another example of how the network suits are morons - put the shows on back-to-back like they had "BtVS" and "Angel", and call it "Vampire Night", or something.

To give credit to WB, they did try something by running 7th Heaven and Angel back to back.

43 posted on 02/15/2004 2:03:06 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (It is always tempting to impute unlikely virtues to the cute)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
The few parts of "Angel" I saw on Kazaa looked bleak

Well, in defense of Angel, if he steps out into the sunlight, he has this real bad tendency of spontaneously bursting into fire and turning to dust.

Boreanaz looked like he'd been prepping for the show at the Bubank Krispy Kremes.

Yeah, Boreanaz has put on a few pounds. [Wonder if he was doing steroids?] Got so bad that they even wrote it into the script recently - one of the other characters was teasing Angel about it.

Come to think of it, Nicholas Brendon also put on a lot of weight. Wonder if they were popping 'roids.

44 posted on 02/15/2004 2:10:01 PM PST by mosel-saar-ruwer
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To: mosel-saar-ruwer
No, I think hitting 30 and eating too much was a more likley culprit than steroids.
45 posted on 02/15/2004 6:28:29 PM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: mosel-saar-ruwer
I could have lived with the teen angst thing if they had put in someone who wasn't such a whiner, and created a storyline that would have the guy do heroic things, instead of being used as the "Anti-Angel" and stupidly working against the Angel team.
47 posted on 02/15/2004 9:08:24 PM PST by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: 68skylark
I miss Firefly, X-files and John Doe. This situation with Angel is very sad. (My daughter's going to be devastated.) I have a bad feeling about SG1.

Reality TV is more insulting than game-shows.

48 posted on 02/15/2004 9:55:18 PM PST by Marie (My coffee cup is waaaaay too small to deal with this day.)
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To: Ichneumon
Keep watching! SG1 get's better. A *lot* of humor. My husband's a soldier and he's relates to O'Neil. :-)
49 posted on 02/15/2004 9:59:02 PM PST by Marie (My coffee cup is waaaaay too small to deal with this day.)
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To: mosel-saar-ruwer
Angel was always darker than Buffy. Its basically the story of someone who was evil once searching for redemption by trying to do good when he got his soul back. What an interesting twist on the vampire legend. Warner Bros. should have allowed it to run two more seasons but as it is when it leaves the air this May, it'll go out somewhat differently than originally planned. Then again, there's always the chance Angel and Buffy will find an afterlife again in the movies.
50 posted on 02/15/2004 10:05:55 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
It's "slow" because it was a daily soap. The nighttime DS in 1991 moved quite fast.
51 posted on 02/15/2004 10:08:53 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: goldstategop
If the Buffy t.v. show is ever made into a movie, I want everyone back in high school, Sophomore year.
52 posted on 02/15/2004 10:10:31 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: altura
It was definitely losing it's focus, but I still loved it.

To get season 5, Whedon had to revamp the show into a mostly episodic format-- hence most of the self-contained stories this year.

I've always seen Angel as the little show that kept getting its plot lines screwed up by real-life.

Season 1: Glenn Quinn signs on as Doyle and quickly becomes the most popular character. Unfortunately, Glenn Quinn is also a coke-fiend, and gets kicked off the show for being high all the time. Hence, his midseason death with the forced vision transfer to Cordellia and bringing in Wesley.

Season 2: Julie Benz gets a film role and can't fulfill her season-long commitment as Darla. Therefore, the season's planned arc (Darla, Drusilla and Spike all teaming up against Angel) gets scrapped at the last minute-- hence the 4-part end of season trip to another dimension, written at the last minute to fillup now needed space.

Season 3: The only season that actually went off as planned, mostly-- although ironically, probably the worst season. Ruined by a very forced romance between Cordellia and Angel.

Season 4: Planned arc of Cordellia becoming apocolyptically evil scrapped at last minute when Charisma Carpenter gets pregnant. Hence, the unsettling Cordellia-Conner sex and use of Jasmine at the end.

53 posted on 02/15/2004 10:18:03 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: KellyAdmirer
Axing Charisma was his big mistake.

Nyet, after her character was ruined the last 1.5 seasons, she had to be axed.

His big mistake was the forced C-A romance, which really didn't work and destroyed great C-A platonic chemistry. This forced romance led to the "evil Cordellia" plot of Season 4 (as a way to keep the two apart), which further destroyed the character.

54 posted on 02/15/2004 10:20:10 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: mosel-saar-ruwer
It's such a right wing Republican oriented show it's amazing to me that it every made it to the air.

I don't see SG1 as right-wing at all. Daniel Jackson is a big lefty. It is sharply written and a great show though.

55 posted on 02/15/2004 10:22:06 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: mosel-saar-ruwer
I didn't like it when Joss forced her to be a lesbian.

I didn't mind the Willow-into-girls thing. I did mind when they turned her into an outright lesbian. It was pretty clear from seasons 1-3 that the character liked boys. Turning her into a pure lesbian (instead of a bisexual) stretched the character too far.

I think Buffy made a big mistake when they stopped doing college/high school stories and turned every episode into just demons.

That being said, I think the first half of season 6 is absolutely brilliant-- dark, deppressing, narcissitic. That was really the only part of the post-season 4 that worked.

56 posted on 02/15/2004 10:25:44 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: mosel-saar-ruwer
Shouldnt this be in Breaking news....?

I mean cmon.....A caption pic of AF1 is in breaking nwes,...why isnt this?

57 posted on 02/15/2004 10:27:09 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: mosel-saar-ruwer
AHAHAHAH! The Weed is now off of TV altogether!

Serves you right for screwing up the fourth Alien movie, you bastard!
58 posted on 02/15/2004 11:18:51 PM PST by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Dark Shadows is basically "All my Children" with only ONE vampire and ONE witch thrown in just so they could give a crumb of gothic taste to it.

The slow as mud I'll give you...it was a 5 days a week series. Comes with the territory. But 1 vampire and 1 witch...no way. There were werewolves, retellings of Frankenstein and Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde, tons of vampires, time travel, etc. etc. Towards the end all the Parallel Time storylines did get obnoxious (and caused the cancellation IMHO), but overall an inventive and entertaining series. The bloopers alone are worth watching for!
59 posted on 02/16/2004 6:05:05 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: ChicagoHebrew; GodBlessRonaldReagan
It's "slow" because it was a daily soap. The nighttime DS in 1991 moved quite fast.

That was because it was a condensed version of the plot. But it still had almost no action.

And it wasn't no where near as fun to watch as Buffy/Angel, WB dealing with millions of fans is going to burn a lot of bridges doing this.

60 posted on 02/16/2004 6:13:22 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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