ZOT!!! Bush needs to leave, and here's why. Me too.

bornINravenswood, as told to Reddy Kilozot | 2/15/2004 | bornINravenswood

[bornINravenswood]

Let's move on

I took the poll and then realized why the vote is 78% Bush. Between Bush and Gore, I liked Bush too. He was a likable patriotic guy who made mistakes in his oration. To me, Gore was Clinton again. We were there, and we moved on. Now, I think it is time for Bush to move on. All of the issues about him are just becoming too transparent. I am sure that people like Rumsfeld and Cheney knew him as George's kid. And let's face it, the Texas Air National guard is where rich kids fought in Vietnam. The National Guard is not fighting... Some of us are like that, but not most of us.

Is saying that you are a Democrat or Republican
really make you one?

I am neither Democrat nor Republican, in fact, I don't think any of us are...unless we are in an elected position. I think that they should install a revolving door in the White House as a people's reminder of who really is in charge and make it a law that presidents children cannot run for president. Isn't this the same as George II? Who's next, Jeb the Lionheart?

While we're at it, we should install a revolving door in congress too. I have little desire for senators who have made it their career. We actually have senators that were once in boys clubs like the KKK! Political office should not be a career. It should be an obligation, with integrity. ...and no more of the benefits that are way better than the average citizen. They think that Social Security is beneath them!

I think the right solution to dethrone George II would be Kerry and Hilary Clinton. In 2004, it would lock in the popular and electoral vote. In 2008, we would have made up our minds about Hilary's usefulness.

Ferdinand and Isabella...the first inquisition would be to fry people like Ken Lay, the Enron cronies, Global Crossing, etc. And even George II's Harken issues. Is the SEC selective?

Viva estados unidos!

[bornINravenswood]

Let me correct myself, The Texas Air National Guard is not fighting...

[NYCVirago]

Anybody who wants a Kerry/Clinton ticket is a troll, not a freeper. Who sent you here -- Moby?

[dighton]

You need to leave ASAP. In fact, I suspect you will.

[FRgal4u]

Nice try, kity kitty..

Meowww..fancy feast for you, little kitty..

so funny how these trolls think they can interfere with this board, at least they should learn where to post the darn msg..

LOL

[dts32041]

We actually have senators that were once in boys clubs like the KKK!

They are in no particular order Bobbi Byrd.

Fritz hollings who loves the Confederate flag so much he flew it over his state captial as governor.

Lets not forget the son of a boot legging Nazi sympathizer Teddi the swimmer Kennedy.

[Cinnamon Girl]

Hi crazy!

[Professional Engineer]

Who's next, Jeb the Lionheart?

You say that like it's a bad thing. tsk tsk

[raloxk]

this isnt even well written

[TomServo]

Well, Hail...

And farewell...

[finnman69]

Learn to speakee the english more better amigo.

[muawiyah]

Just more nonsense from the Dems. They are getting ready to nominate a guy who evaded the draft by joining the Navy. ....... It's truly unfortunate they haven't realized it.

[Dan from Michigan]

YOu back Hanoi John - F*** off then.

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

So who would you vote for, Troll? Even if I had no use for GWB, he is our best bet for crawling out of the dark hole our culture is currently in.

Go away before we catch you and feed you to the huskies.

[Jorge]

With all due respect. Estas loco.

[squarebarb]

Tu andas un poco tomadito. Or tomadita, whichever.

Sam? Sam Kitty? Here Sam....

[red-dawg]

Here's your patch, buh-bye.

[Paul Atreides]

You say that a former President's son shouldn't be allowed to be in the White House, but think a former Presiden't hag wife should? Please, do us all a favor and leave FR.

[4mycountry]

Late ZOT, friends. Oh well, there's for the pot.

[Big Giant Head]

You're a knucklehead. George W. Bush is a better president than his father. Still not perfect, but stand heads and shoulders above kerry, hillary, or any of the meat that the dems can conjure up.

Maybe the third time is a charm? Let's reelect W in 2004, then but in Jeb and see if he can improve on this brother's record.

[NeoCaveman]

Hey troll,

[NeoCaveman]

I think the right solution to dethrone George II would be Kerry and Hilary Clinton. In 2004, it would lock in the popular and electoral vote. In 2008, we would have made up our minds about Hilary's usefulness.

You can't be series.

BARF Alert.

[Jackson Brown]

And let's face it, the Texas Air National guard is where rich kids fought in Vietnam. The National Guard is not fighting... Some of us are like that, but not most of us.

As for the Texas guard, it has been reported by people who were Bush's superiors that Bush asked to be sent to Vietnam, but had too few flight hours to qualify.

As for "the National guard is not fighting"...look at Iraq now -- and -- the fact that 10% of those that died in Vietnam were National Guard or Reserves.

ALSO -- as an aside -- People are not looking at the time line regarding all of this flack about Bush's service. Kerry is older than Bush. Some troop withdrawals actually started in 1969.

By the time Bush was assigned to Alabama -- the war was all but over. Bush was assigned to Alabama in October of 1972.

In that same month, October 1972, a tentative cease-fire agreement was reached. The accord called for the simultaneous withdrawal of U.S. troops and to be followed by a political settlement of South Vietnam's future.

The peace agreement was finalized and formally signed 4 months later on January 27, 1973...9 months before Bush was discharged.

[Future Snake Eater]

[Beck_isright]

"Swanneee, how I love you, how I love you, Swaneeeeeeeeee"

[SelmaLee]

Which Moby CD is your favorite?

[God luvs America]

I realize hitlery's usefulness every time I flush the toilet :)

[Gabz]

Bump!!!!

or should I say ZOT!!!!

[FourPeas]

*sigh* Shouldn't you be in bed. Tomorrow's a school day.

[raloxk]

Tha mushroom cloud looks like an airburts from Operation Dominic 1962, Christmas Island

[Jonah Hex]

(sigh)

"Y'know, zotting a lame troll just ain't sportin'. Luckily, I'm not a sportin' type."

[Beck_isright]

Actually nicked "Swanee" per the Nuclear Test Image Archives. But you have the date, operation call and location correct.

[Neil E. Wright]

DAMN!!!!!! Late again!!!

SILLY, Viking Kitty! As you can see from the pics she is a well qualified Viking Kitty. She eats jerky and "tries" to drink my beer, she's ornery, headstrong, and generally a pain in the butt!!! (Particularly when she's in heat and I won't let her outside!!!!) LOL

In this photo we see Silly at the door when I say "Disruptor"	Silly immediately takes up her position on the desk and contemplates the "ZOT" button	Here, Silly decides that the "ZOT" is in order, and she reaches for the "ZOT" button	Here, Silly advises me of a successful "ZOT" operation.

(click on each image to view a larger pic)

[raloxk]

Operation Dominic's atmoshperic test were different than hardtack in 1958 or Castle Romeo in 1954. I think by 1962 the US govt was aware of the fallout caused by ground tests. Many shots in 1962 were dropped from B-52s at 45,000 feet flying from Hawaii and detonated at 15,000-20,000 feet so as to minimize radioactive fallout.

Have you ever seen a pic of shot Romeo in 1954?

[AgThorn]

olvidate, abre un hueco y entierate. Adios, hasta nunca.

[Lily4Jesus]

Tu debes estar loco de la cabeza. Deja a mi presidente tranquilo. Dios esta con el. Me entiende?

[Old Sarge]

nuts, I missed the live ZOT.

Better next time, it's not like there aren't anymore.

[weegee]

-LESS

[trussell]

Be Gone Troll!!

[Tennessee_Bob]

Here you go:

Oh - wait - you said "Romeo."

Never mind.

[cyborg]

dill weed

[Big Giant Head]

Google translation of what you just said:

Your you must be crazy of the head. It leaves my calm president. God this with. It understands to me?

Sorry, it just cracks me up!

[squarebarb]

Este bichito juege a "Post y correr' yo creo.

[Fawnn]

...the first inquisition would be to fry people like ... Global Crossing....

Does this mean that you're as upset that Terry McAuliffe was able to "turn" his $100,000 "investment" in Global Crossing into an $18 MILLION personal fortune as we are!?

[weegee]

We actually have senators that were once in boys clubs like the KKK!

Heck, that's nothing. John FTA Kerry confessed to committing warcrimes himself in his testimony before Congress back in 1971. His testimony led to American G.I.s being called "baby killers".

In a 2001 interview with Tim Russert, John Fonda Kerry scaled back his comments, blaming them on the mind of an angry young man. He basically chalks it up as youthful exageration. I call it lying.

So either John Kerry lied before Congress and aided and abetted the enemy in a time of war by diseminating propaganda and bearing false witness or else he committed, by his own description, acts that were against the Geneva convention.

So there you have it. John Kerry is either a traitor or a self-confessed unindicted war criminal. Either way he is entirely unfit for the highest office in America.

Kerry speaks about HIS War Crimes

Portion of John Kerry remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" May 6, 2001:

MR. RUSSERT: You mentioned you're a military guy. There's been a lot of discussion about Bob Kerrey, your former Democratic colleague in the Senate, about his talking about his anguish about what happened in Vietnam. You were on this program 30 years ago as a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. And we went back and have an audiotape of that and some still photos. And your comments are particularly timely in this overall discussion of Bob Kerrey. And I'd like for you to listen to those with our audience and then try to put that war into some context:

(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):

MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

(End audiotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Thirty years later, you stand by that?

SEN. KERRY: I don't stand by the genocide. I think those were the words of an angry young man. We did not try to do that. But I do stand by the description-I don't even believe there is a purpose served in the word "war criminal." I really don't. But I stand by the rest of what happened over there, Tim.

I mean, you know, we-it was-I mean, we've got to put this war in its right perspective and time helps us do that. I believe very deeply that it was a noble effort to begin with. I signed up. I volunteered. I wanted to go over there and I wanted to win. It was a noble effort to try to make a country democratic; to try to carry our principles and values to another part of the world. But we misjudged history. We misjudged our own country. We misjudged our strategy. And we fell into a dark place. All of us. And I think we learned that over time. And I hope the contribution that some of us made as veterans was to come back and help people understand that.

I think our soldiers served as nobly, on the whole, as in any war, and people need to understand that. There were great sacrifices, great contributions. And they came back to a country that didn't thank the veteran, that didn't-I mean, everything that the veteran gained in the ensuing years, Agent Orange recognition, post-Vietnam stress syndrome recognition, the extension of the G.I. Bill, you know, improvement of the V.A. hospitals, all came from Vietnam veterans themselves fighting for it. Indeed, even the memorial in Washington came from that.

MR. RUSSERT: By your own comments, Bob Kerrey was not alone in doing the things that he did.

SEN. KERRY: Oh, of course, not. And not only that, we, the government of our country, ran an assassination program. I mean, Bill Colby has acknowledged it. We had the Phoenix Program, where they actually went into villages to eliminate the civilian infrastructure of the Vietcong. Now, you couldn't tell the difference in many cases who they were. And countless veterans testified 30 years ago to that reality. And I think-look, there's no excusing shooting children in cold blood, or women, and killing them in cold blood. There isn't, under any circumstances. But we're not asking, you know, nor is Bob Kerrey saying, "Excuse us for what we did." We're asking people to try to understand the context and forgiveness. And I think the nation needs to understand what the nation put its young in a position to do, and move on and take those lessons and apply them to the future.

MR. RUSSERT: The folks who oversaw the war, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger, you do not now 30 years later consider them war criminals?

SEN. KERRY: No, I think we did things that were tantamount that certainly violated the laws of war, but I think it was the natural consequence of the Cold War itself. People made decisions based on their perceptions of the world at that time. They were in error. They were judgments of error. But I think no purpose is served now by going down that road. I think, you know, the rhetoric of youth and of anger can be redeemed by the acts that we put in place after time to try to move us beyond that. And I think there are great lessons to learn from it. But we would serve no purpose with that now. But we have to be honest about the mistakes we made. We don't have legitimacy in the world, Tim, if we go to other countries, in Bosnia or China or anywhere else, and not say, "You know, we made some terrible mistakes."

And that honesty, that lack of a sense of honesty is part of what is driving people's anger toward the United States today. That's why we have the vote in the U.N. That's why people-our allies, too-are disturbed by this defense posture. You can't abrogate the ABM treaty and move forward on your own to build this defense in a way that threatens the perceptions of security people have. And if you build a defense system, Tim, that can do what they say at the outside, which is change mutual assured destruction, you have invited a potential adversary to build, build, build, to find a way around it. The lesson of the Cold War is, you do not make this planet safer by moving unilaterally into a place of new weapons. Every single advance in weaponry through the Cold War was matched by one side or the other, and that's why we put the ABM treaty in place, and that's why we need to proceed very cautiously and very thoughtfully.

MR. RUSSERT: John Kerry, we thank you for your views.

SEN. KERRY: Thank you.

These nagging questions won't go away.

[Time4Atlas2Shrug]

I don't believe that WE need to debate Hillary's (spelled with 2 l's) usefulness - I think she has realized it herself. She's afraid of her closet so she hasn't jumped in to let the others tear her to shreds and she is well aware that Dubya would SLAUGHTER her.

Kerry?.....Well it appears that he may have an little intern problem. Hey, maybe you're right - Hillary could run with him, after all, she has experience with spinning just this sort of thing!

Oh, what fun that would be to see.

By the way...did anyone hear that John F-ing Kerry was in VIETNAM? :)

[Tennessee_Bob]

Toda su base es pertenece a nosotros.

[weegee]

Just so people realize what you are doing and who gives you marching orders:

Punk the prez? - Moby's anti-Bush tricks

One of Sen. John Kerry's celebrity supporters is ready to pull out all the stops to get him elected. Republicans are shrieking over a suggestion by rocker Moby that Democrats spread gossip about President Bush on the Internet. "No one's talking about how to keep the other side home on Election Day," Moby tells us. "It's a lot easier than you think and it doesn't cost that much. This election can be won by 200,000 votes." Moby suggests that it's possible to seed doubt among Bush's far-right supporters on the Web.

"You target his natural constituencies," says the Grammy-nominated techno-wizard. "For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion.

"Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, 'What's all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?'"

Moby didn't claim that he believed the abortion story.

Last month, Bush did propose reforms to immigration policy. But he insisted, "I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship [because it] perpetuates illegal immigration."

Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson likened Moby's proposal to "dirty campaign tactics we're already seeing from John Kerry."

"His campaign was willing to use these kinds of voter suppression tactics against members of his own party in Iowa and New Hampshire," Iverson says. "John Kerry is a hypocrite. He pledged to run a clean campaign. Then he uses the lowest form of gutter politics to impugn his opponents, Democratic and Republican. It's unfortunate but this is probably just the beginning of the kind of tactics we're going to be seeing from John Kerry in the months to come."

Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said, "I doubt that Moby was suggesting anybody suppress the vote. We did not use any dirty tactics against any candidate.

"When it comes to dirty tricks the Republic party wrote the book. We've already seen Republican attacks and we haven't even won the nomination yet. The Republican Party is clearly afraid of John Kerry."

[Just Lori]

I am neither Democrat nor Republican, in fact, I don't think any of us are...unless we are in an elected position. I think that they should install a revolving door in the White House as a people's reminder of who really is in charge and make it a law that presidents children cannot run for president.

And since this intellectual giant posted on FR, then what HE/SHE thinks should be of tantamount importance to us all!