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Scientists: The Latest Mac Converts
eCommerce Times ^ | 2/14/2004 | Robyn WeismanRobyn WeismanRobyn WeismanRobyn WeismanRobyn WeismanRobyn Weisman

Posted on 02/16/2004 2:08:15 AM PST by Swordmaker

Conventional wisdom paints the Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL) Macintosh as a "soft" machine. Elementary schools might use it, and those in creative fields might use it, but those who want to do hard-core computation choose workstations running Windows, Unix or Linux, right?

Not necessarily.

"If you pull up a shot of NASA after the [first] Mars landing and look at the desktops, you'll see a couple of PC laptops there, but you'll see more PowerBooks," Jon Rubinstein, senior vice president for hardware engineering at Apple, told the E-Commerce Times.

Although no hard figures are available to chart the Mac's rise in scientific communities, anecdotal evidence suggests various Apple machines, from the Xserve G5 to the PowerBook, have become viable options. For example, Virginia Tech chose last fall to build a supercomputing cluster using Power Mac G5s, then decided to upgrade to Xserve G5s when those machines became available. The university's choice of Apple products stemmed from the computers' attractive price-performance ratio, Virginia Tech spokesperson Lynn Nystrom recently told the E-Commerce Times. As Apple continues to reinvent itself, how are scientists putting Macs to work in research projects and other innovative endeavors?

Macs for Mars

Matt Golombek, a planetary geologist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), has used Apple machines since the Mac SE came out in the late 1980s. Golombek told the E-Commerce Times that 90 percent of his JPL colleagues also use Macs for a host of reasons.

In Golombek's case, he was responsible for choosing the landing sites for both of the Mars rovers, Spirit and Opportunity. To make that determination, he needed to render maps, mosaics and related images into Canvas, a graphics application. This task entailed layering maps together and being able to toggle between different data sets to find parallels between them.

"For our landing site work, we always get the highest-end desktop Mac we can find, so we just got one of the G5s with dual 2-GHz processors and 8 GB of RAM," Golombek told the E-Commerce Times. "We are dealing with Canvas files that are a gigabyte in size. They're huge, huge files, so we need every bit of performance we can get."

According to Golombek, Macs traditionally have been superior in handling images. Although PCs may have caught up in this regard, he added, the Mac's ease of use and computational power ensure he has no plans to switch to another platform. That said, he is eager for Apple to introduce a PowerBook G5 so that he can take advantage of the new chip's ability to handle more RAM.

'A Revelation'

Michael Swenson, life sciences computing analyst at research firm IDC, told the E-Commerce Times that Apple's Unix-based Mac OS X has been the driver of Mac popularity in such areas as bioinformatics and chemistry, mainly because porting open-source applications from Linux and Unix has become a trivial process.

"Having that flexibility to hit a key and go from Microsoft Office to an open-source application and back is appealing" to scientists, Swenson said.

For his part, Theodore Gray, director of user interface technology and co-founder of Mathematica maker Wolfram Research, said that before OS X, some problems were too big for Macs to handle. Now, he noted, Macs can tackle almost any task.

"It's safe to say that, since Mac OS X became widely adopted, there has been an increase of use within [the scientific] community," Gray told the E-Commerce Times. "Scientists tend to prefer Unix (including Linux) over anything else, and Mac OS X is a revelation. You can compile all of your stuff: source code, projects, scientific subroutines. Mac OS X provides a nice environment for all of them."

Indeed, as senior software engineer at the MIT Whitehead Institute for Genome Research, William Van Etten once needed four computers to do his work: a Windows box for productivity , a Unix box for development, a Linux computer for Linux development and a notebook computer. When Mac OS X became viable, Van Etten was able to slim down to a single computer: a Mac.

Hardware BLAST

Gray added that Apple's strategy of designing both the Mac operating system and hardware allows the company to provide a more coherent and polished setup than typical PC configurations.

For example, Stan Gloss, managing director of life sciences IT consultancy The BioTeam, told the E-Commerce Times that certain applications in the bioinformatics industry are optimized for the G4 chip's velocity engine -- a coprocessor that increases application performance from five to 50 times over regular levels.

He added that the new G5 architecture, which supports 64-bit processing and up to 8 GB of RAM per unit (systems that handle 32-bit processing max out at 2 GB of RAM), is an even bigger boon for life sciences.

"In the life sciences, you are dealing with large data sets being input into memory, so you need a fairly large memory space when you are comparing, let's say, the genome of a fruit fly with a human genome," Gloss said.

He provided an example: Basic Local Alignment Search Tool (BLAST), a common bioinformatics application, works as a similarity search engine to match genomes. The program matches sequences of four letters representing a gene that can run almost indefinitely. Gloss said the Mac processes these queries at a speed that significantly improves the overall price-performance ratio of the organization using it.

In one practical application of Mac technology, BioTeam helped Texas A&M researcher David Adelson construct an Xserve cluster so that he and his team could map the cow genome. Adelson is expected to complete this work by the end of 2004.

Personal Preference

Why are these moves toward more Mac use taking place now? Gray contended that Apple occasionally takes a step ahead of other vendors in its price-performance ratio. The company now appears to be in one of those "leapfrog" cycles. Wolfram Research has a G4 cluster installed, and Gray said the company is happy with it because it is easy to maintain and is price competitive.

Indeed, because PCs no longer carry the huge price advantage they once did, choosing a hardware and software configuration now also involves an element of personal preference, Gray said. He noted that with Macs, "you do not have the sort of virus problem as with Windows."

And David J. Stevenson, George Van Osdol Professor of Planetary Science at Caltech, said that he, like Golombek, has used Macs for years because he does not want to be a rocket scientist of system administration. "A lot of scientists are like me -- they may know a lot more about how computers work than the general public, but they don't really care," Stevenson told the E-Commerce Times. "They just want something that works reliably."

As Apple's Mac becomes more and more reliable, its scientific renaissance is likely to gather steam.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Technical
KEYWORDS: apple; g5; mac; macintosh; macuser; scientists
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1 posted on 02/16/2004 2:08:15 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker
Garageband bump...
2 posted on 02/16/2004 2:10:21 AM PST by Prince Charles
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To: Bush2000; antiRepublicrat; LasVegasMac; Action-America; eno_; N3WBI3; zeugma; TechJunkYard; ...
Mac Ping!

As always, should you or the secretary wish to disavow this ping list, let me know and your entry will self destruct in five seconds (or when I get the message, whichever occurs later).

If you want on, response may even be quicker!
3 posted on 02/16/2004 2:10:41 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: Swordmaker
Gee, so the government uses the most expensive computers, there's a surprise.
4 posted on 02/16/2004 2:18:57 AM PST by thedugal (I am a genious.)
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To: Swordmaker
I never understood the fascination people have for Mac until OS X. It's one sweet OS.
5 posted on 02/16/2004 2:22:21 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Swordmaker
"attractive price-performance ratio" Now there's a phrase I haven't seen in a long time....didn't know some folks continue to do it that way.

Ed (erstwhile planner)
6 posted on 02/16/2004 2:58:39 AM PST by Banjoguy (Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.)
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To: thedugal
Wolfram Research has a G4 cluster installed, and Gray said the company is happy with it because it is easy to maintain and is price competitive......Indeed, because PCs no longer carry the huge price advantage they once did,....

You may wish to re-think your remark about these guys using the most expensive computers.

The computers the article talks about are not the common PC used in business. They are maximum performance and maximum memory machines. This type of maximum performance PC has never had much of a cost advantage over a top-of-the-line Mac.

In fact, the machines my company buys to get the maximum advantage out of Mathematica and orbital ephemera software costs $5K - $6K.

7 posted on 02/16/2004 3:31:53 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr
Mathematica was developed on the NeXT machine so OSX is like home plate for them.
8 posted on 02/16/2004 3:50:22 AM PST by hedgie
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To: thedugal
the government uses the most expensive computers

I think you are confusing "price" and "cost".

9 posted on 02/16/2004 3:52:22 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Swordmaker; RnMomof7
Mac OS X (BSD Unix) bump.

The pro-Mac argument has become far more compelling with the G4/G5 models combined with OS X.

They need to get the G5 down in price. Better yet, recompile OS X for x86 hardware and provide some real competition to Windows.
10 posted on 02/16/2004 4:07:00 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: Swordmaker
This just proves one thing to anti Mac people.

Rocket science must not be rocket science.
11 posted on 02/16/2004 4:53:07 AM PST by Deepest South
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To: Lil'freeper
Mac *ping*
12 posted on 02/16/2004 4:53:25 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("When do I get to lift my leg on the liberal?")
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To: Swordmaker
He noted that with Macs, "you do not have the sort of virus problem as with Windows."
13 posted on 02/16/2004 5:11:24 AM PST by randita
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To: Swordmaker
Please put me on your Mac ping list. Thanks!
14 posted on 02/16/2004 5:12:49 AM PST by randita
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To: Swordmaker
what this article leaves out is this undeniable fact...

all of those MACs are probably bought with government grant money as opposed to an individuals own

15 posted on 02/16/2004 5:16:40 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Swordmaker
Been using Macs since 1984. Started with a Lisa( ugh). Now have a maxed out G4 xserve. Never had a better server. OS X is the best OS since computers were born.
16 posted on 02/16/2004 5:27:08 AM PST by primatreat (Go mac and you will never go back!)
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To: George W. Bush
If Apple comes out with a G5 laptop in the next 90 days, they would double their market share in laptops overnight.
17 posted on 02/16/2004 5:47:42 AM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: Swordmaker
No doubt. Here where I work, we went from 0% Apple Powerbooks to 50% Apple Powerbooks in just under 9 months. We've also gone from 2% Apple desktops to 8%. The Powerbook is great for people, because they can present their work on Powerpoint, and then turn around and do latex work on their paper, or code in whatever language they want on the plane or in the hotel room (or at home). They think it's really great. Never thought I'd see the day, that's for sure.
18 posted on 02/16/2004 5:53:47 AM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: Glenn
I never understood the fascination people have for Mac until OS X. It's one sweet OS.

OS X is what made all the difference. Scientists love Unix, and the ability of this OS to run Unix and a high-quality graphic interface at the same time is what pushes them toward Mac.

Now if only hardware price/performance would catch up. A SETI work unit takes 7 hours on my G4 iMac, run from the Unix command ine (no graphics). On my infidel machine, an IBM R50 laptop running Windows XP, it takes 1 hour 55.

19 posted on 02/16/2004 5:55:03 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: All
I made the switch in 06/03, one of the best choices I ever made.
20 posted on 02/16/2004 6:34:25 AM PST by olde north church (It's all to much!!!)
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To: dd5339
Mac ping! ;)
21 posted on 02/16/2004 6:41:47 AM PST by Vic3O3 (Jeremiah 31:16-17 (KJV))
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To: thedugal
Gee, so the government uses the most expensive computers, there's a surprise.

Windows computers are generally more expensive to operate than Macs. I see plenty of offices spending more on technical support than they spent on their Wintel hardware to fix viruses, worms, network problems, bad applications, etc. These problems are common on Wintel - and rare on Macs. The goverment saves money when it uses Macs.

22 posted on 02/16/2004 7:52:21 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: Swordmaker
"If you pull up a shot of NASA after the [first] Mars landing and look at the desktops, you'll see a couple of PC laptops there, but you'll see more PowerBooks," Jon Rubinstein, senior vice president for hardware engineering at Apple, told the E-Commerce Times.

Yeahhhhhh, perhaps those same PowerBooks helped make the Shuttle Columbia as "safe" as it was ... /SARCASM
23 posted on 02/16/2004 9:30:03 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: HAL9000
Windows computers are generally more expensive to operate than Macs

BS. Just another unsupportable fabrication by the Mac Moonies...
24 posted on 02/16/2004 9:31:57 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000; All
Yeahhhhhh, perhaps those same PowerBooks helped make the Shuttle Columbia as "safe" as it was ... /SARCASM

Are you suggesting the leading edge of the wing structure, the failure point, was composed of Mactintosh machines? What, recycled iBooks were used for the heat tiling?

BS. Just another unsupportable fabrication by the Mac Moonies...

Oh. So Macintosh users are some sort of bizarre cult.

The usual FUD, typically spun by an unemployable MCSE types.
25 posted on 02/16/2004 10:11:28 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: Bush2000
BS. Just another unsupportable fabrication by the Mac Moonies...

It's the truth: Windows computers cost more to operate than Macs. I keep track of how many service calls are required in some offices.

There is always something going wrong with the Windows computers - and the offices that use Windows pay out the wazoo for MCSE dorks to constantly fix them.

The Macs just work and require hardly any maintenance.

26 posted on 02/16/2004 10:17:44 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: Swordmaker
Virginia Tech has built a G5-based supercomputer; among the most powerful in the U.S.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/977360/posts

27 posted on 02/16/2004 10:23:05 AM PST by Thom Pain
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To: Swordmaker
I used to be a total Mac user.....then I bought a Compaq and haven't had any regrets...until this weekend when I had to deal with an infected OS and had to reinstall everthing and then download and install about 44 "upgrades" to deal with the flaws in Microsoft.

Unfortunaly, it's not like switch cable companies or something.

28 posted on 02/16/2004 10:23:07 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: HAL9000
It's the truth: Windows computers cost more to operate than Macs. I keep track of how many service calls are required in some offices.

Worthless, anecdotal, unscientific, unsupportable TRIPE.
30 posted on 02/16/2004 11:53:29 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Prince Charles
This article reads like an advertisement.
31 posted on 02/16/2004 11:58:26 AM PST by RobRoy (uNLESS)
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To: chilepepper
what this article leaves out is this undeniable fact...

Then I'm glad they're saving our money since high-end Macs cost less than equivalent PCs.

32 posted on 02/16/2004 1:36:09 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: RobRoy
This article reads like an advertisement.

That should be your first clue that the Mac is here to stay.

33 posted on 02/16/2004 1:37:53 PM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Bush2000
Worthless, anecdotal, unscientific, unsupportable TRIPE.

Anecdotal - yes. Worthless - no.

What's even worse - the MCSE bozos generally screw up more stuff than they fix.

Running Windows is like throwing money down a rat hole.

34 posted on 02/16/2004 1:47:26 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Macs better value than PCs - official

By Macworld staff

New research explodes the myth that Macs are more expensive than PCs to buy and run.

Noted research analyst Gartner found Macs are up to 36 per cent more cost- effective than competing PC products.

The study was conducted at Melbourne University's Faculty of the Arts, which uses 4,676 Macs and 5,338 Wintel machines. It compared direct costs such as hardware and software for desktops and mobile computers, servers and peripherals, upgrades, service and support and depreciation. It also examined the indirect costs of supporting end-users, training time and non-productive downtime.

Gartner found that Macs cost $1,114 to support per year, while PC-based systems cost $1,438. Macs also needed less technical support and hardware and software costs were lower, the report explains.
Gartner was hired to do a private study. The study leaked. Gartner now refuses to comment on its findings either way. M$ FUD and intimidation again.
35 posted on 02/16/2004 2:31:24 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: Glenn
>That should be your first clue that the Mac is here to stay.<

I wasn't talking about the facts presented. I was talking about how the facts were presented.

I'm pretty neutral on the whole thing. Heck, I still have a beta vcr...
36 posted on 02/16/2004 2:39:59 PM PST by RobRoy (uNLESS)
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To: Swordmaker
I think one of the best things that can be said about Macs is a disproportionately large amount of Freepers seem to use them. Tom
37 posted on 02/16/2004 2:51:42 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: Capt. Tom
Much as I'd like to agree with you, This page has the details. (scroll down)
38 posted on 02/16/2004 3:24:27 PM PST by Vermonter
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To: George W. Bush; HAL9000; Bush2000
Gartner has done many similar studies over the years going all the way back to the late 80s, and I believe has without exception come to the conclusion that the total long-term cost of PC ownership exceeds that of Macs.

That said, as a 19-year Mac user (before they even had hard drives) and longtime occasional PC user, it is my belief that novice to mid-range users are better off with Macs, primarily because these users learn faster and need less hand-holding. Power users may, OTOH, in many cases be better off with PCs IF (big if) they are good troubleshooters. If they aren't, they'll lose tons of time and money trying to get support, which on the Windows side is almost universally p*ss-poor and expensive. On the Mac side, if you have AppleCare you get unlimited support like I've never seen anyone else deliver it.
39 posted on 02/16/2004 4:13:50 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: Vermonter
I thought Mac had less than 3% of the market?

How much do they have??

Free Republic
Windows 33845743 90.8 %
Macintosh 1485823 3.9 %

Capt. Toms website
1. Windows 2000 -54.41%
2. Windows 98 - 28.62%
3. Others - 9.3%
4. Macintosh PowerPC - 4.5%

40 posted on 02/16/2004 4:28:18 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: Swordmaker
More B.S. from the king of self-promotion, Apple Computing.

This lib-friendly environment of reality-challenged dolts has a severe inferiority complex.
41 posted on 02/16/2004 4:33:33 PM PST by Stallone (Guess who Al Qaeda wants to be President?)
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To: Capt. Tom
Don't know where to get accurate info on that. I've always assumed it was around 5%

With OS X, I'm not sure how the Mac's show up when they're being used as Unix machines.
42 posted on 02/16/2004 4:34:13 PM PST by Vermonter
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To: antiRepublicrat
Highly questionable.

My $700 refurbished IBM Thinkpad T22 running Linux 2.6 reaches 90% or more of what is achieved (performance wise and measure clock time) by a $3000 G4 OSX Laptop which was purchased using a gov't grant by a colleague. Size, weight and battery savings is quite comparable as is its functionality.

If my colleague had gone the same route as I did, she would have had $2300 left in her grant fund to buy something else, like hire a grad student for a summer or a number cruching server.

Instead, she funded Steve Jobs and leftist Hollywood (unwittingly of course). But, of course, she is "cool" since she uses a MAC, don't all the ads say so??

43 posted on 02/16/2004 4:34:14 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: chilepepper
My $700 refurbished IBM Thinkpad T22 running Linux 2.6 reaches 90% or more of what is achieved (performance wise and measure clock time) by a $3000 G4 OSX Laptop

First, you're doing a refurbished/new comparison, second you're doing a Linux/Mac comparison where this so far was mainly about PC/Mac.

If it works well with low cost for your purpose then that's great. If you needed some software not available for Linux, like any decent design app, then you'll need another OS or platform.

44 posted on 02/16/2004 4:40:23 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Vermonter
Got this from Mac News

IDC: Apple Macintosh market share under 2% worldwide; under 3% in United States for 2003
Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 09:33 PM EST

snip

Kanellos reports, "By contrast, Gateway saw its market share shrink in the fourth quarter, Smulders said. Apple also saw its market share stay below the 2 percent mark worldwide in 2003 and below the 3 percent mark in the United States for the year, Smulders said."

45 posted on 02/16/2004 4:49:26 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: Capt. Tom
Yeah, but that's market share, not installed machines, which is what I think we started talking about
46 posted on 02/16/2004 4:52:55 PM PST by Vermonter
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To: George W. Bush
Gartner was hired to do a private study. The study leaked. Gartner now refuses to comment on its findings either way. M$ FUD and intimidation again.

I don't suppose it would do any good to ask for actual proof for such an accusation, would it?
47 posted on 02/16/2004 6:53:06 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: litany_of_lies
Gartner has done many similar studies over the years going all the way back to the late 80s, and I believe has without exception come to the conclusion that the total long-term cost of PC ownership exceeds that of Macs.

Macs are boutique computers for people that buy equipment based on whether it matches their furniture.
48 posted on 02/16/2004 6:55:21 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Cacique
btt
49 posted on 02/16/2004 7:04:23 PM PST by Cacique
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To: George W. Bush
They need to get the G5 down in price. Better yet, recompile OS X for x86 hardware and provide some real competition to Windows.

Mac has no desire to become the chevy of computers. They are the BMW (with that wonderful leather interior.) The problem with making it a price thing is you soon end up with another just so so product. Anyone that owns and loves their mac , knows this. You get what you pay for !!

50 posted on 02/16/2004 9:53:54 PM PST by RnMomof7
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