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Roger Simon of U.S. News: "Nobody Died When Bill Clinton Lied"
MRC ^ | 11:20am EST, Monday February 16, 2004 | BrentBaker

Posted on 02/16/2004 9:26:18 AM PST by fight_truth_decay

On Sunday's Face the Nation, at the start of a segment on President Bush's National Guard duty, CBS's Bob Schieffer said he was "surprised, frankly," that the Guard story "has gone on as long as it has." As if he had no control over the subject matters addressed on his own show.

But neither Schieffer, nor his guests on the topic, Time's Karen Tumulty and Boston Globe reporter Walter Robinson, went so far as Meet the Press panelist Roger Simon of U.S. News who remarked that, as opposed to Bush taking the nation to war, "nobody died when Bill Clinton lied."

Simon was responding to host Tim Russert who had pointed out how the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll found Bush is seen as "honest and trustworthy" by just 52 percent and on weapons of mass destruction, asked "Did the President exaggerate the evidence?", 54 percent responded yes, 42 percent no. Russert asked: "How much of an issue is this credibility, as Time magazine called 'a potential gap,' going to play in the 2004 race?"

Simon replied: "I think it's going to be huge. We've had Presidents who have lied to the American people. Our last President lied on a number of occasions to the American people, but nobody died when Bill Clinton lied. If, as these polls reflect, a majority of the American people think the President either lied or exaggerated about the weapons of mass destruction and sent young men and women off to war to fight and to die based on those lies and exaggerations, they're likely to be a little unforgiving, I think, in November."

Maybe, but the Washington Post/ABC News poll didn't show that. Even of those who believed Bush "exaggerated" the evidence, only a minority, 39 percent, think he lied. And when asked, "Regardless of whether or not it exaggerated the evidence, do you think the George W. Bush administration honestly believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, or not?," 68 percent said "honestly believed" compared to just 27 percent who answered "did not honestly believe."

For the Washington Post's rundown of this poll released on Thursday: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac3/ContentServer?pagename=polls&nex tstep=chooseQuestion&interactive=n&searchPollId=2004041&pollType=M aryland&questCategoryType=n&newsearch=&questCategory=&keyword=&pol lDateRange=&startingRow=1


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"The dangers of acting," Clinton said, "are far outweighed by the dangers of not acting." -TIME magazine 3/99
1 posted on 02/16/2004 9:26:22 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
Unless you want to count those poor shleps working in the aspirin factory.
2 posted on 02/16/2004 9:28:26 AM PST by The G Man (John Kerry is a 9/10 candidate in a 9/11 world. We just can't afford that.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Our last President lied on a number of occasions to the American people, but nobody died when Bill Clinton lied

Someone should drop the "list" in his lap.

3 posted on 02/16/2004 9:30:21 AM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: The G Man
or on the Cole, or kobar towers, Waco, etc etc.
4 posted on 02/16/2004 9:31:03 AM PST by dts32041 ( "Always make sure someone has a P-38.")
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To: fight_truth_decay
"nobody died when Bill Clinton lied."

what about the people on the receiving end of those cruise missle strikes timed to delay the Monica vote? What about all the people killed because Clinton was too distracted to properly respond to the 1st Trade Tower, Riyahd barracks, Cole, and African Embassy bombings?

5 posted on 02/16/2004 9:31:15 AM PST by ghost of nixon
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To: fight_truth_decay
Roger Simon of U.S. News: "Nobody Died When Bill Clinton Lied"

Someone ping the Clinton Death List

6 posted on 02/16/2004 9:31:40 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: TADSLOS; backhoe
Backhoe, if you get a chance could you provide one of your Toon legacy posts?
7 posted on 02/16/2004 9:31:46 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: The G Man
And the people of Kosovo and Iraq who died so that news of his infidelity and lying wouldn't be front page news.
8 posted on 02/16/2004 9:33:22 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
No, people died when they were no longer willing to lie.
9 posted on 02/16/2004 9:33:30 AM PST by spiffy
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To: fight_truth_decay
“If she had lived, Mary Jo Kopechne would be 62 years old.
Through his tireless work as a legislator,
Edward Kennedy would have brought comfort to her in her old age.”

– Charles Pierce, January 5, Boston Globe

10 posted on 02/16/2004 9:33:36 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: dts32041
Plus, I guess, Clinton's inaction had nothing to do with 9-11?
11 posted on 02/16/2004 9:34:02 AM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: fight_truth_decay
But a court decision (verdict) was directly affected.
12 posted on 02/16/2004 9:34:31 AM PST by CSM (My Senator is so stupid he'd have to get naked to count to 21 and my Governor wouldn't be able to!)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Richard Miniter's book Losing Bin Laden addresses what Toon did and didn't do. It's obvious Simon hasn't read it.
13 posted on 02/16/2004 9:34:56 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: All
I guess we all forgot Waco already....
14 posted on 02/16/2004 9:35:05 AM PST by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection....)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Wait a minute. Didn't they say he WASN'T lying back then? NOW they admit he WAS lying...................
15 posted on 02/16/2004 9:35:05 AM PST by EggsAckley ({...................troll patrol........on duty...................})
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To: fight_truth_decay
Roger Simon of U.S. News: "Nobody Died When Bill Clinton Lied"

OH YES THEY DID !

The Caretaker at the Sudanese Aspirin Factory for certain

Add to that Vince... Foster, Gerry Parks, and a long list of others

16 posted on 02/16/2004 9:35:47 AM PST by Wil H
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To: fight_truth_decay
It didn't die, but our national dignity and heritage was done irreparable damage when Clinton lied.
17 posted on 02/16/2004 9:35:49 AM PST by upchuck (Ta-ray-za now gets to execute her "maiming of choice." I'm hoping for eye gouging, how 'bout you?)
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To: Diogenesis
Mary Jo Kopechne

She gave her life so the country would not have to endure another Kennedy presidency.

18 posted on 02/16/2004 9:35:56 AM PST by Snardius
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To: fight_truth_decay
Seems to me I remember a train full of civilian passangers getting blown to bits in Kosovo by a American Bomber, and a few aid stations and hospitals also being bombed.

And then there was that little mess in Mogadishu where Bubba Clinton sent in a attack force to attempt a capture of Addid without the proper air support that cost a few Rangers their lives, but hey don't let the facts get in the way for the LIARS of the Left.
19 posted on 02/16/2004 9:36:37 AM PST by Area51 (RINO Hunter, Big Time.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
""nobody died when Bill Clinton lied."

World Trade Center attack I

Khobar Towers

USS Cole

Kenyan Embassy

and of course, the mother of all lies which propelled us into the Kosovo debacle which BTW is a complete mess to this day.

Clinton was too caught up in his poll numbers and lies to take action when action should have been taken.
20 posted on 02/16/2004 9:37:51 AM PST by OpusatFR (Search Google for your posting name. Get a suprise!)
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To: Wil H
More Clinton deaths


21 posted on 02/16/2004 9:38:31 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"What is happening in Rwanda is not genocide!"
22 posted on 02/16/2004 9:40:17 AM PST by big bad easter bunny
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To: OpusatFR
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds injured, Billions
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Saudi Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack
1996 Sudanese Missionarys Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
23 posted on 02/16/2004 9:40:24 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"nobody died when Bill Clinton lied."

How about those 3,000 people who died on Sept. 11, 2001? Most of the planning/immigration/fundraising was done on Slick's watch.

24 posted on 02/16/2004 9:41:57 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: fight_truth_decay
No one died when Blozo lied ? Not really.

JUNE 1999

KILLER BLOOD: While the American media continues to shut its eyes to the 1980s flow of deadly blood from Clinton's Arkansas prisons to Canadian patients, the story remains big up north. Latest development: Liberal leadership contender Paul Martin was on the board of a corporation involved in the distribution of tainted blood.

25 posted on 02/16/2004 9:42:29 AM PST by John Lenin (Just because there is no draft does not mean there are no draft dodgers)
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To: fight_truth_decay
On Sunday's Face the Nation,...CBS's Bob Schieffer said he was "surprised, frankly," that the Guard story "has gone on as long as it has." As if he had no control over the subject matters addressed on his own show.

I watched FtN on Sunday and Bob Schieffer added, in this commentary, that with all the attention focused on Bush's Guard record, "there must be something there".

Bob Schieffer never gave a "Fair and Balanced" report or comment in his life. His only claim to fame is that he gave Lee Harvey Oswald's mother a ride into Dallas in November, 1963.

26 posted on 02/16/2004 9:42:37 AM PST by elbucko (Look to the log in your own eye , before you consider the speck in mine.)
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To: Diogenesis
Amen.

The worst thing is that our media is a bonafide arm of the DNC. They do the country a huge disservice.
27 posted on 02/16/2004 9:43:02 AM PST by OpusatFR (Search Google for your posting name. Get a suprise!)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Which lie his he talking about.. The ROTC lie that let a poor kid from Arkansas go to war to protect his candy a$$.

Or is he talking about the Aspirin factory bombing to knock Monica off the news lie? That lie killed 24 blacks in Africa.

Perhaps he was talking about the lie that they tried to get Osama Bin Laden, but let him run and hide 3 times? That lie cost at least 3011 Americans their lives on 9/11.. anyone have any lies to add..Hmmmm ?

28 posted on 02/16/2004 9:43:44 AM PST by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: All
New Figures on Civilian Deaths in Kosovo War

(Washington, February 7, 2000)—About five hundred civilians died in ninety separate incidents as a result of NATO bombing in Yugoslavia last year, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.

http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/02/nato207.htm
29 posted on 02/16/2004 9:44:48 AM PST by Hon
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To: fight_truth_decay
Maybe the poor sap died that thad to take Clinton's place when Clinton refused to go.
30 posted on 02/16/2004 9:45:29 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: fight_truth_decay
...nobody died when Bill Clinton lied.

He must have forgotten about Jim McDougal.

31 posted on 02/16/2004 9:45:34 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: fight_truth_decay
I recently heard a 50-60 minute speech (diatribe) given by Joseph Wilson (Valerie Plame's French man-maid). Among his moonbat exclamations was a comment eerily similar to Roger Simon's. It went something like this, punctuated by laughter: 'I yearn for the days when a president only lied about sex!' Meaning of course, that GWB's lies about Iraq/war/WMD are devastating, while the sex lies of BC were charming and never hurt anyone. Some of the other stuff he says is so bizarre, you wouldn't believe me if I told you.

You can find the MP3 of this speech (given last September I believe) over at LittleGreenFootballs. I recommend half a bottle of wine before you start, and wear a bib.

GO HERE FIRST
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=9863_Moonbat_Joins_Kerry

THEN SCROLL DOWN TO #36 where a gentleman has provided a direct link to a working link/MP3. Takes a minute or two to load up.

32 posted on 02/16/2004 9:45:54 AM PST by Sally
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To: Wombat101
Waco was forgotten the minute it happened because the media were accessories in those deaths. If someone has pictures of every one of those victims at Waco, they should be immediately e-mailed to Roger Simon. For good measure, we could add pictures of Mogadishu, you know the ones where our men were hog-tied and dragged through the streets. My God, these elitists have selective memory. I don't remember a bunch of liberals jumping up and down about Somalia.
33 posted on 02/16/2004 9:46:27 AM PST by Toespi
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To: fight_truth_decay
Except for fundraising, the less the Clinton name comes up this year, the better!! Bush is not running against Clinton!!!
34 posted on 02/16/2004 9:47:42 AM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Sally
Hillary still writing their scripts.

Mr. Wilson who sent you to gather "INTEL" in Niger? The NYTimes? Hillary? or maybe bjclinton? how about JFKerry?
35 posted on 02/16/2004 9:49:14 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Diogenesis
Let's not forget the Delta Force being sent in to wipe out a religious cult in Waco. Or the FBI snipers hit kill at Ruby Ridge. Oh, and the Oklahoma government building that was blown up - at a time when muslim extremists were claiming responsibility, the Clinton administration fixates on a couple of US conspirators without further investigations. (as only 2 people could have masterminded this one.) How about the Bosnia bombing of the Chinese Embassy? There is a whole lot more than this. Clinton and death were synonomous. September 11, 2001 were the direct results of his tenure in office.

36 posted on 02/16/2004 9:50:46 AM PST by tomball
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To: fight_truth_decay
"nobody died when Bill Clinton lied."

But Millions will when the Mark 86 micro nuke plans leaked to China and released to Pakistan and NKorea and then put into Osama's hands reach New York City and other major cities around the world. But by then this city dweller will be dust, and nobody will care, nobody alive that is...

But Clintoon was not known for his "circle of death" for nothing. A whole lot of people have died so Clintoon will not have to lie.

37 posted on 02/16/2004 9:51:21 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Morgan in Denver
Well the Left-wingers claim 9/11 is the president's fault since it happened on his watch, completely igoring the fact that the attack had been in planing for over five years and that President Bush had only been in office seven month and 18 days when the attack happened
38 posted on 02/16/2004 9:51:57 AM PST by Kaslin (The question is not where are the WMD, but what did Saddam do with them)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Nobody died when Clinton lied?

HMMM, Who was ...

Vince Foster?

Mary Mahoney?

Jerry Parks?

Ron Brown?

James MacDougal?

Kathy Ferguson?

Kevin Ives?

Don Henry?

seven former body guards.

And last but not least Buddy his dog.

39 posted on 02/16/2004 9:52:39 AM PST by LandofLincoln ((THE RIGHT HAS BECOME THE LEFT))
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To: fight_truth_decay
Soldiers died directly as a result of John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Jane Fonda, et al protesting against our US military in VN DURING the war~!
40 posted on 02/16/2004 9:53:50 AM PST by buffyt (We must never use the UN as a substitute for clear and resolute US policy. B. Goldwater)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Yeah, nobody died....just several thousand US citizens.
41 posted on 02/16/2004 9:54:12 AM PST by mystery-ak (*terrorism has been exaggerated*....Kerry....We must defeat him, our lives depend on it.)
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To: OpusatFR
Simon was so flagrantly biased.
42 posted on 02/16/2004 9:54:30 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Kaslin
EXCELLENT POINT, KASLIN!
43 posted on 02/16/2004 9:54:36 AM PST by buffyt (We must never use the UN as a substitute for clear and resolute US policy. B. Goldwater)
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To: Toespi
Has anyone noticed the "Editor's Letter" section of Vanity Fair this month? Instead of letters, Vanity Fair chose to list the names, ages and hometowns of 502 American soldiers who have died in Iraq. It is titled, "SYMPHONY for the DEAD." It reads, " The invasion of Iraq was launched a year ago this March. On these pages are the names, ages and hometowns of the 502 American men and women in uniform who, as of January 21, 2004, had lost their lives in the war and it's bloody aftermath. This list of the war dead has been compiled with the help of U.S. military sources and Army Times." I wrote them and suggested that to trully honor these heros, they should list all of the Israels slaughtered by suicide bombers, all of the Iraqi people murdered by Hussein's tyranny, the numerous victims of the Taliban and then I suggested that if they had any pages left to fill, they could get a list of the 3200+ murdered on our own shores on September 11th, 2004.
44 posted on 02/16/2004 9:56:08 AM PST by Toespi
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To: buffyt
1989

The Committee of Ten Thousand -- named for the estimated 10,000 Americans infected with HIV by the blood industry -- is formed. Writing in POZ seven years later, COTT's president Corey Dubin says, "For years the manufacturers of blood products and the regulators at the FDA persuaded the hemophilia community as well as the general public that their infections were a 'tragic yet unavoidable mistake.' We now know that this is absolutely not the case and that doing business as usual from 1982 to 1985 consigned thousands of people with hemophilia to the ravages of AIDS. ~~~ Internal drug company memos demonstrate that officials understood the impact that blood tainted by this pathogen could have on people with hemophilia as early as mid-1982, but they failed to warn either our doctors or us. The industry was also targeting for plasma collection groups with a high incidence of hepatitis B -- gay men and prisoners -- that the CDC had by then identified as likely to have AIDS."

MAY 1993

Two separate tainted blood probes -- one by a California investigator and another by the Canadian government -- lead to the door of the Arkansas governor's office, now occupied by Jim Guy Tucker. Both are informed that all the governor's papers were removed when he left office and that they should contact the White House legal counsel's office. What happens next is not known but presumably they make contact with Vince Foster, the man in the legal counsel's office who knew Arkansas and who had been involved in the prison system and who may, at one point, have represented HMA.
45 posted on 02/16/2004 9:59:54 AM PST by John Lenin (Just because there is no draft does not mean there are no draft dodgers)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"nobody died when Bill Clinton lied"

Oh really?

Clinton Body Count (and there has been at least 1 more recenly)

46 posted on 02/16/2004 10:00:41 AM PST by sweetliberty (To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: Diogenesis
That cannot be a real quote!?!?
47 posted on 02/16/2004 10:02:56 AM PST by Grit (http://www.NRSC.org)
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To: Morgan in Denver

48 posted on 02/16/2004 10:04:29 AM PST by sweetliberty (To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: fight_truth_decay
Roger Simon of U.S. News: "Nobody Died When Bill Clinton Lied"

Well. these people died when Bill Clinton fiddled... or was that "diddled?" Because he was not serious about his duties. Because he didn't think enemies were worth pursuing, unless it might lead to a bump in the polls or forestall one of the endless investigations of his Administration's pervasive small-time criminality. Because he considered dollars spent on continental defence to be dollars wasted.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

49 posted on 02/16/2004 10:06:39 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Funny, you'd think these PETA crazed liberals would

REMEMBER BULLSEYE

For those who don't recall, Bullseye was the name of Kathleen Willey's cat who was killed by the thugs hired by Clinton's "detectives" to threaten and intimidate witnesses.

50 posted on 02/16/2004 10:09:46 AM PST by Steven W.
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