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Some straight talk on gay marriages
Oak Lawn (IL) Reporter ^ | 2/19/04 | Michael M. Bates

Posted on 02/17/2004 5:20:16 AM PST by Mike Bates

In a mini-repeat of what happened at Sutter’s Mill in 1848, hundreds of Americans rushed to San Francisco last week. These pioneers weren’t searching for gold, however. They wanted a same-sex marriage license issued to them.

Just in time for Valentine’s Day, that city’s mayor, evidently a true romantic, ordered officials to issue licenses to men who want to marry men and women who want to marry women. All weekend on TV we were treated to charming shots of the newlyweds smooching one another.

I won’t focus on that. After all, there are plenty of ugly-as-sin heterosexuals, too.

Suffice it to say that San Francisco’s mayor had no more legal authority to do what he did than Barney Fife would have. Court challenges were immediately fashioned and it’s possible the marriages will ultimately be voided. What’s certain is that the issue of gay and lesbian marriages isn’t going to vanish.

I hope readers appreciated the special effort I made in that last sentence. Until a short time ago, I would have used the phrase homosexual marriage. Leave it to a dumb straight guy to not know any better.

A few months ago someone brought to my attention that the term homosexual has widely been shoved back into the closet. It was decided by whomever decides such things that homosexual, especially when used as a noun, is a derogatory term.

Not getting the memo on this, I’ve continued to employ that word. It appears that using homosexual might remind some of the time when homosexuality was considered a mental illness. About 30 years ago, the American Psychiatric Association determined it is not.

There are other views. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered." Moreover, Pope John Paul II has said that they are "contrary to natural law."

You may think I’m bigoted for agreeing with the Pope, but it seems to me an attraction to someone of the same sex, a condition affecting well under the ten percent of the population claimed by activists, is clearly not the natural course of development.

At the same time, I think gays and lesbians have a general right to live as they see fit. There’s a good deal of truth in their sometimes assertion that what they do in private with another consenting adult is their business.

Yet we’ve reached a point where some of them no longer find just being left alone satisfactory. They want society’s imprimatur, its explicit approval that their way of life is legitimate. Oscar Wilde’s "love that dare not speak its name" has turned into a lifestyle that won’t shut up.

Activists claim that it’s a civil rights issue. They’re denied the right heterosexuals have of marrying the person they want. But that right, even for heterosexuals, is not an absolute one. If you doubt that, try getting a marriage license issued to wed a 10-year-old or a sibling or someone who’s already married.

Activists also charge that same-sex marriages are necessary to protect certain legal privileges. Rights often cited in this context include inheritance, health care decision-making, and joint ownership of property.

These can all be taken care of without regard to marital status. You can name anyone you want in your will. You can give anyone you want power of attorney for health care decisions. You can own property with another person regardless of marital status.

Marriage between a man and a woman has existed for thousands of years. A principal reason for marriage is procreation. Closely linked to that is the necessity of raising children in the best available environment. The heterosexual, monogamous family has proved to be the most successful setting for this. It provides a stable foundation for the continuation of the human race.

Is it perfect? No. Nothing established by mere mortals is. The institution may well be in crisis, but redefining its meaning to include same-sex arrangements will only aggravate the situation by devaluing its definition.

A marriage is, as it always has been, between one man and one woman. Most Americans are not going to change their minds on that point. It makes no difference what any elected official or unelected court may do.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: gays; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; lesbians; marriage; prisoners; samesexmarriage; sanfrancisco
The cultural war is being fought on many fronts.
1 posted on 02/17/2004 5:20:16 AM PST by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates
(psssssssst!)

If you vote dor DemocRats, you're voting for homosexual marriage!

2 posted on 02/17/2004 5:31:36 AM PST by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: Mike Bates
Palm Springs is really abuzz about all this...having a gay mayor and gay majority on their city council, there is a bit of pressure for them to lobby Riverside County to allow similar "weddings"...

P.S. - Wassup with the screen name change?

3 posted on 02/17/2004 5:34:16 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug)
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To: Mike Bates
"Activists also charge that same-sex marriages are necessary to protect certain legal privileges."


Only thing same-sex couples aren't entitled to (so far) compared to normal married couples is social security. If (and that's a big IF) same-sexers CAN be legally married, the social security system WILL be in even bigger trouble.
4 posted on 02/17/2004 5:40:22 AM PST by Maria S ("I will do whatever the Americans want…I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid." Gaddafi, 9/03)
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To: Mike Bates
And we go to Irq, to Afgh to teach them respect for our 'culture'......
5 posted on 02/17/2004 5:53:03 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Mike Bates
The Left wants to remake society in its anarchic, counter-cultural image.
6 posted on 02/17/2004 5:54:57 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Maria S
Big trouble if a guy or gal wants to marry their horse like that one wacko did a while back! Imagine employer provided health care and SS for a horse!! Could get even worse. Suppose this person objects to his/her spouse being called an animal and insists it be treated as a human being. I'd hate to be on an airplane when this person takes the spouse on a second honeymoon and insists it get a seat like everyone else. And some idiot judge will agree with him/her.
7 posted on 02/17/2004 6:24:24 AM PST by beckysueb (Lady Liberty is in danger! Bush/Cheney 04.)
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To: Mike Bates
I really believe the term Homosexual more clearly defines the person being discussed than the term gay.
When discussing this subject I prefer to use the term Homosexual.
8 posted on 02/17/2004 6:26:04 AM PST by chatham
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To: ErnBatavia; Mike Bates
P.S. - Wassup with the screen name change?

I'll second the question.

Nice work, Mike.

9 posted on 02/17/2004 6:28:43 AM PST by r9etb
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To: chatham
I like 'Gay Homosexual'. Sure it's a Cartman ripoff, but it rolls off the tongue.
10 posted on 02/17/2004 6:38:21 AM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: Mike Bates
These pioneers weren’t searching for gold, however.

I bet you can guess the retort that lept unbidding to my mind!

11 posted on 02/17/2004 6:45:36 AM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: jtminton
I like 'Gay Homosexual'. Sure it's a Cartman ripoff, but it rolls off the tongue.

I prefer "Three Dollar Bill"

12 posted on 02/17/2004 6:46:52 AM PST by StatesEnemy
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To: Mike Bates
Activists claim that it’s a civil rights issue. They’re denied the right heterosexuals have of marrying the person they want. But that right, even for heterosexuals, is not an absolute one. If you doubt that, try getting a marriage license issued to wed a 10-year-old or a sibling or someone who’s already married..

...or is San Francisco also issuing licenses for these abominations? Commonly recognized restrictions such as these clearly demonstrate the right of society to regulate the process.

13 posted on 02/17/2004 7:12:10 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: Mike Bates
Can we imagine the uproar is a judge decided to put a monument to the Ten Commandmants in the foyer of a court house? That's been done? How did it turn out?

Okay , how about a mayor who decides that he has the authority to issue concealed carry permits to anyone who pays the fee?

14 posted on 02/17/2004 7:21:50 AM PST by maica (World Peace starts with W)
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To: Mike Bates
Relax this just brings the Rapture that much closer.....
15 posted on 02/17/2004 7:41:17 AM PST by FlatLandBeer
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To: Mike Bates
What is obvious is that most heterosexuals (of whatever political persuasion I've talked to) do not think that homosexuality is normal and equal to heterosexuality. Because it isn't. As you have stated only a tiny percentage of people are homosexuals. As for it being natural or inborn, I also believe that many murderers and criminals have inborn sociopathic tendencies. Because it may be natural in no wise makes it legitimate. Duh!
16 posted on 02/17/2004 7:42:15 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless
I said to my Ex-Cleveland teacher/flaming liberal/Kucinich voting/lesbian sister with Munchausen Syndrome, when she said, "I was born like this!!"

"So were pedophiles, that doesn't make it right."
17 posted on 02/17/2004 7:58:59 AM PST by netmilsmom (Don't put a question mark where God put a period.)
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To: TheGeezer
Think I knew that, but a reminder is always in order. Thanks.
18 posted on 02/17/2004 8:06:43 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: ErnBatavia
P.S. - Wassup with the screen name change?

I'm suffering from Irish Alzheimer's, forgetting everything but the grudges. On most days, though, I am able to remember my name so switching to it seemed a good idea. Now if I can only remember that I changed screen names. . .

19 posted on 02/17/2004 8:10:17 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: Maria S
That's certainly a consideration. Since many (most?) same-sex couples are DINKS (dual income, no kids) they just might be left to collecting their own Socialist Insecurity benefits like straight folks have to.
20 posted on 02/17/2004 8:12:37 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: Cronos
And we go to Irq, to Afgh to teach them respect for our 'culture'......

I think we're there for other reasons than that. Regards.

21 posted on 02/17/2004 8:13:58 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: r9etb
Thanks. Please see #19 for exhaustively comprehensive explanation for screen name change.
22 posted on 02/17/2004 8:17:47 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: netmilsmom
I said to my Ex-Cleveland teacher/flaming liberal/Kucinich voting/lesbian sister with Munchausen Syndrome

I trust your niece or nephew is safe...

23 posted on 02/17/2004 8:46:05 AM PST by StatesEnemy
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To: netmilsmom
I said to my Ex-Cleveland teacher/flaming liberal/Kucinich voting/lesbian sister with Munchausen Syndrome

I trust your niece or nephew is safe...

24 posted on 02/17/2004 8:50:13 AM PST by StatesEnemy
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To: Mike Bates
The best line Oscar Wilde's " love that dare not speak its name has turned into a lifestyle that won't shut up." I think folks at my work are tired of me lamenting my church going gay and hearing about gay every day. This morning when I came in yesterday glimpse.com was on computer home screen I have to used. I thought gee whiz, do I have to look at this junk every hour of the day.Why am I looking at this first thing in the morning. Why, why,why. I was later told my friends played a trick on me and put it there. We all got a good laugh out of it. well you'd have to be there to really understand
25 posted on 02/17/2004 8:52:59 AM PST by mel
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To: Mike Bates; little jeremiah; *Homosexual Agenda; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; ...
Ping. I am helping Little Jeremiah with the list today.


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)

26 posted on 02/17/2004 9:28:48 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: ArGee; lentulusgracchus; Bryan; MeekOneGOP
Ping
27 posted on 02/17/2004 9:29:57 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: EdReform; *Homosexual Agenda

28 posted on 02/17/2004 9:57:28 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Mike Bates
Be sure to pass it along to everyone you know...
29 posted on 02/17/2004 9:58:34 AM PST by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: Mike Bates
I suggest all read "The Natural Order of Life", which is published in today's edition of The Washington Times.
30 posted on 02/17/2004 10:07:04 AM PST by quadrant
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To: chatham
"I prefer to use the term Homosexual."

So do I. If they get away with calling the farce ritual of homosexual unions "Gay" weddings, the next thing they will be calling a normal wedding between one man and one woman a "Sad" wedding.

31 posted on 02/17/2004 10:14:32 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell ("John" is a four letter word.)
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To: StatesEnemy; JonathansMommie
>> said to my Ex-Cleveland teacher/flaming liberal/Kucinich voting/lesbian sister with Munchausen Syndrome<<
>I trust your niece or nephew is safe...<

Actually, that's Munchausen by Proxy. Her kids are grown, but really she always focused on herself.

32 posted on 02/17/2004 10:40:11 AM PST by netmilsmom (Don't put a question mark where God put a period.)
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To: FormerLib
I bet you can guess the retort that lept unbidding to my mind!

Oh, OK. I'll bite. And that retort is. . . .?

33 posted on 02/17/2004 11:11:48 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: StatesEnemy
I prefer "Three Dollar Bill"

I'm sorry. Did you say three dollar bill?

34 posted on 02/17/2004 11:16:14 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: MainFrame65
...or is San Francisco also issuing licenses for these abominations?

Shh. Don't give 'em any more ideas. They can barely handle the ones they've got.

35 posted on 02/17/2004 11:18:34 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: maica
Okay , how about a mayor who decides that he has the authority to issue concealed carry permits to anyone who pays the fee?

My guess is the Lefties would temporarily suspend their opposition to the death penalty to punish a mayor who'd do that.

36 posted on 02/17/2004 11:21:22 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: EdReform
Thanks for the ping. Some good links.
37 posted on 02/17/2004 11:37:44 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: Mike Bates
Oh, OK. I'll bite. And that retort is. . . .?

Let's just say that what you'll find where they spend most of their time looking will not be gold.

38 posted on 02/17/2004 11:49:33 AM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: ErnBatavia
I'm a former Riverside resident.

Please tell me it ain't so.

39 posted on 02/17/2004 12:59:57 PM PST by happygrl
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To: happygrl
I'm afraid so....go online to the Desert Sun newspaper; front page article today.

If I recall correctly, Palm Springs City Council now has ONE heterosexual member (he's the Republican!).

40 posted on 02/17/2004 1:16:34 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug)
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To: netmilsmom; StatesEnemy
>> said to my Ex-Cleveland teacher/flaming liberal/Kucinich voting/lesbian sister with Munchausen Syndrome<<

>I trust your niece or nephew is safe...<

He is Now that he's married and away from her.
42 posted on 02/17/2004 5:52:36 PM PST by JonathansMommie (2 weeks and counting till the birth of my second baby)
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To: beckysueb
Big trouble if a guy or gal wants to marry their horse like that one wacko did a while back! Imagine employer provided health care and SS for a horse!! Could get even worse. Suppose this person objects to his/her spouse being called an animal and insists it be treated as a human being. I'd hate to be on an airplane when this person takes the spouse on a second honeymoon and insists it get a seat like everyone else. And some idiot judge will agree with him/her.

There was already one case a few years ago when some nutcase was allowed to take her "companion animal" on an airplane with her. Seems she had an "emotional need" that it met. Caused quite a ruckus when it was running up and down the aisle, and after they landed, it proceeded to crap all over the terminal floor. I guess the janitorial crew weren't accustomed to cleaning up pig$#!+.

43 posted on 02/17/2004 7:59:50 PM PST by Don Joe (I own my vote. It's for rent to the highest bidder, paid in adherence to the Constitution.)
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To: Mike Bates
The cultural war is being fought on many fronts.

It's being lost, too. In fact I'll go on record as saying that it is lost. This insanity is going to run its course. Whoever is left standing when the dust settles will have the sorry task of trying to pick up the pieces. Go rent "The Postman" and try to use it for inspiration. Remind yourself that it's just fiction, though. Reality will be much harsher.

44 posted on 02/17/2004 8:01:32 PM PST by Don Joe (I own my vote. It's for rent to the highest bidder, paid in adherence to the Constitution.)
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To: jtminton
"...but it rolls off the tongue."

You paint a revolting word-picture.

45 posted on 02/17/2004 8:02:58 PM PST by Don Joe (I own my vote. It's for rent to the highest bidder, paid in adherence to the Constitution.)
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To: Don Joe
Sometimes it does seem as though the cultural wars are over and we conservatives have lost. That's when it's really necessary to keep the faith and recognize we're not alone.
46 posted on 02/18/2004 11:25:15 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: FormerLib
Thanks for sharing!
47 posted on 02/18/2004 11:26:37 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: Mike Bates
The good and evil war is being fought on many fronts.

Oscar Wilde’s "love that dare not speak its name" has turned into a lifestyle that won’t shut up.

INDEED--won't shut up . . . tight or otherwise . . . well, uhhh . . .

48 posted on 02/19/2004 4:04:52 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Mike Bates
One of the big problems in society is that people have lost sight of the most important aspect of marriage. I wonder how many people would be able to answer the following questions correctly:
  1. Ideally, what is the most important thing that is created when a man and woman get married?
  2. Ideally, how long will that last?
Hint: the answer to #2 isn't "A lifetime".
50 posted on 02/21/2004 11:47:57 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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