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To: dpwiener
And what might that have to do with marriage, the union of one man and one woman, other than the fact that the meaning of the word marriage was perverted by racists?

Marriage has always been defined as one man, one woman. Perverting the meaning now is no better than perverting the meaning then.

But your analogy fails on many bases, not just the above.

Homosexuals, as a group, have never been enslaved, lynched, equated to 3/5 of a human being or denied rights based on the color of their skin.

Homosexuals can do what they want, they can even marry as long as the marriage fits the definition of marriage. What they should not be allowed to do is use judicial oligarchs to make law and elected executives to interpret law.

101 posted on 02/17/2004 4:54:43 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Homosexuals, as a group, have never been enslaved, lynched, equated to 3/5 of a human being or denied rights based on the color of their skin.

First, your statement is a tautology. Since the defining characteristic of "homosexuals, as a group" is not the color of their skin but rather their sexual orientation, of course they have not been oppressed "based on the color of their skin".

I presume that the point you were really trying to get at is that blacks as a group have suffered enormous oppression and harm, unlike homosexuals as a group. I think it's indisputable that blacks have suffered far more harm overall than homosexuals (mostly because it was easier to identify blacks). Still, there have been a significant number of killings of homosexuals because they were discovered to be homosexual, and in the past they have been denied rights and sometimes thrown in jail merely for being homosexual.

Discrimination against homosexuals shares many similarities in kind if not in degree with past discrimination against blacks. (Discrimination has declined drastically for both groups, but blacks have generally been about two or three decades ahead.) And current attitudes about gay marriage can very definitely be analogized to past attitudes about interracial marriage. If that analogy makes you uncomfortable, maybe there's a good reason...

107 posted on 02/17/2004 5:43:41 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: jwalsh07
Marriage has always been defined as one man, one woman

Welcome to the new age of Orwell:

From

Merriam-Webster's definition of marriage

1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage

125 posted on 02/17/2004 11:39:48 PM PST by Technogeeb
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