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Kerry's PCF (Swift) Boats Records [Where Is He?]
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Posted on 02/17/2004 1:22:19 PM PST by Hon

Kerry commanded his first swift boat, No. 44, from December 1968 through January 1969. He received no medals while serving on this craft.

Kerry experienced his first intense combat action on Dec. 2, 1968. He was slightly wounded on his arm, earning his first Purple Heart.

In late January 1969, Kerry joined a five-man crew on swift boat No. 94 completing 18 missions over 48 days, almost all of them in the Mekong Delta.

Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a minor shrapnel wound in his left thigh on Feb. 20, 1969.


February 28, 1969:
When Kerry's Patrol Craft Fast 94 received a B-40 rocket shot from shore, he hot dogged his craft beaching it in the center of the enemy position. To his surprise, an enemy soldier sprang up from a hole not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled.

The boat's machine gunner hit and wounded the fleeing Viet Cong as he darted behind a hootch. The twin .50s gunner fired at the Viet Cong. He said he "laid 50 rounds" into the hootch before Kerry leaped from the boat and dashed in to administer a "coup de grace" to the wounded Viet Cong. Kerry returned with the B-40 rocket and launcher.

Kerry was given a Silver Star for his actions.
Silver Star Award

{short description of image} Kerry and crew stand together in An Thoi, Vietnam, on February 28, 1969, after presentation of Kerry's Silver Star. He also received a Purple Heart for a minor wound. From left: Del Sandusky, John Kerry, Gene Thorson, Thomas Belodeau. Kneeling from left, Mike Medeiros, Fred Short.

On March 13, 1969, a mine detonated near Kerry's boat, slighting wounding Kerry in the right arm. He was awarded his third Purple Heart.
PCF (Patrol Craft Fast) 94 crew in March 1969,

from left, Gene Thorson, David Alston, Thomas Belodeau, Del Sandusky, and John Kerry.
Kerry crew

PCF 44
Crew e-mail Address Dates Base Comments
    17 April 1966 Cam Ranh Bay first arrived in South Vietnam
Leland M. Mills, LT, OinC   4/66-?? Cam Ranh Bay ??Glenview, IL??
George Hoover, BM2   4/66-?? Cam Ranh Bay  
David Franklin Parsons Jr, RM3 brenda.parsons@version.net 4/66-?? Cam Ranh Bay Lakeland, FL
Francis Joseph "Sonny" Buchta, EN3   4/66-5/66 Cam Ranh Bay Dayton, TX
Cox, GMG3   4/66-?? Cam Ranh Bay  
Wayne Watkins, SN   4/66-?? Cam Ranh Bay  
Lucian Gale Jewell, EN1   5/66-1/67 Cam Ranh Bay Dawson Springs, KY
James A. Colombo, LT, OinC Midnightvette@cs.com ??-6/67 Cam Ranh Bay Hagerstown, MD
James Stephen Matheny, RMSN jsm4914@peoplepc.com 3/67-6/67 Cam Ranh Bay Granite, IL
Michael Gene Cosper, GMG3   ??-6/67 Cam Ranh Bay  
Gary Earl Nolan, RM3   ??-6/67 Cam Ranh Bay  
Ralph E. Duerre, LTJG, OinC   ?/67-12/67 Cam Ranh Bay was from Ithaca, NY
Joseph R. LaVoie II, QM1 JLavoie101@.aol.com 67-68 Cam Ranh Bay Kent, WA
W.P. "Sonny" Taylor, RD2 tnfayette@aol.com 5/67-3/68 Cam Ranh Bay Oakland, TN
    12/27/67-4/30/68   overhaul in Sasebo, Japan
Robert T. Grace, LTJG, OinC   5/68-?? Cam Ranh Bay Virginia Beach, VA
MacKinnon, QM2   5/68-?? Cam Ranh Bay  
Goss, BM3   5/68-?? Cam Ranh Bay  
Anthony, EN2   5/68-?? Cam Ranh Bay  
Donald J. Shaw, RD2   5/68-7/68 Cam Ranh Bay Northbrook, IL
Robert Allen Kreyer, GMG2 bkreyer@egcrc.net 5/68-8/68 Cam Ranh Bay Novoto, CA
John Everet Repshire, EN1 russpr@st-tel.net 6/68-?? Cam Ranh Bay Russell Springs, KS
Peter V. Carey, LTJG, OinC     Cam Ranh Bay was from Farmington, CT
Thomas Williams Wright III, LT, OinC twright3@hotmail.com 11/68-4/69 An Thoi Savannah, GA
James T. Thompson, EN2   11/68-4/69 An Thoi  
George E. Bobb III, RD3   11/68-4/69 An Thoi Westerville, OH
William J. Newman, BM3   11/68-4/69 An Thoi  
Donald Eugene Kinser, BMSN   11/68-4/69 An Thoi  
Frederick  J. Nastasuk, GMGSN   11/68-4/69 An Thoi  
Michael A. Adkins, LTJG, OinC   6/69-5/70   La Mesa, CA
    31 October 1969 Saigon transferred to South Vietnamese Navy
PCF 3851


- PCF 44 and 6 other swifts were delivered to Cam Ranh Bay, from Subic Bay, PI, onboard the USS Tortuga, LSD-29 on 17 April 1966.   While offloading, at night, from the LSD, one (1) boat suffered a damaged screw and four (4) others damaged skegs.

- PCFs 43, 44 and 47 stopped an infiltration attempt by taking an enemy arms trawler under fire and destroying it, 29 February 1968.

- In August 1969, a ceramic gunshield was installed on mount 52 for evaluation.   The disadvantages of restricting the movement of the .50 caliber mount, with the after pin removed, the restricted viewing area, due to the height of the shield, and the fact that it was a one shot item, that would have to be replaced after any damage, ruled out any further installations.

PCF 94
Crew e-mail Address Dates Base Comments
    October 1966 An Thoi first arrived in South Vietnam
Thomas S. Winslow, LTJG, OinC   5/67-5/68 An Thoi Oakland, CA
Quint, RM1   5/67-5/68 An Thoi  
Carlyle John Brown, EN2 johnbrown578@aol.com 5/67-5/68 An Thoi Watervliet, MI
Guraltemo, GMG2   5/67-5/68 An Thoi  
James L. Brookshire, BM3 jbrook1029@aol.com 5/67-12/67 An Thoi  
Mike ????, SN   5/67-5/68 An Thoi Navajo Indian
Thomas M. Herritage II, OinC   3/68-3/69   Novi, MI
Larry James Balok, OinC seascow@msn.com 7/68-11/68 An Thoi Bradenton, FL
James L. Miller, RD1 jlmiller@tscnet.com 7/68-11/68 An Thoi  
Kenneth Poole, EN2   7/68-11/68 An Thoi  
Vern Radcliff, GMG3   7/68-11/68 An Thoi  
    11/9/68-1/17/69   overhaul at NSF Cat Lo
Edward Robert "Tedd" Peck, LTJG, OinC tpeck49@cableone.net 1/69-1/69 An Thoi Santa Rosa, CA
Delbert Sandusky, QM1   1/69-1/69 An Thoi  
Eugene Kenneth "Thor" Thorson, EN2   1/69-1/69 An Thoi Ames, IA
Michael Richard Eugene Medeiros, QM2    1/69-1/69 An Thoi San Leandro, CA
Stanley E. Jenereski, RD2 Jenereski@aol.com 1/69-1/69 An Thoi Southborough, MA
Daniel Salinas II, LTJG, OinC   1/69-?? An Thoi  
Joseph Edward Muharsky, RD2 ndc@mwwed.com 1/69-4/69 An Thoi Mentor, OH
Larry G. Potter, QM2   1/69-?? An Thoi  
James Barry Bogart, EN3 bogey67401@yahoo.com 1/69-8/69 An Thoi Salina, KS
Dalmas K. Coates, BM3 dalyeame@midusa.net 1/69-?? An Thoi Wamego, KS
Chris Whalen, GMGSN   1/69-?? An Thoi  
Henry "Buddy" Berman, QM2 buddyb@atlantic.net 5/69-7/69 An Thoi DeLeon Springs, FL
Alfonso Abrego Garza, RD3 algarza@earthlink.net 6/69-6/70 An Thoi/Cat Lo Richmond, TX
John Ellis O'Neill, LTJG, OinC oneilljohn@copn.com 9/69-3/70 An Thoi/Cat Lo Houston, TX
Harry George McConnell, LTJG, OinC hmcconnell@daytonalaw.com 12/69-11/70 Cat Lo Ormond Beach, FL
Bradford Miles Slepicka, RD3 ElbowG97@aol.com 9/70-10/70 Cat Lo/Sa Dec Katy, TX
    1 October 1970 Cat Lo transferred to South Vietnamese Navy
PCF 3915


- On 29 January 1969, PCFs 5, 72, 93 and 94, together with units of COSDIV 13, conducted operations in the Cua Lon river.  PCFs 72 and 94 came under fire while probing a side canal resultings in 3 USN WIA and light damage to PCF 94.

- PCF-94, in company with PCFs 22, 35 and VNN PCF-3806, 14 January 1970, were supporting a troop sweep when PCF-94 was hit by a claymore mine resulting in two (2) friendly WIA and damage to the hull and one engine.

- While patrolling on the Rac Giang Thanh, 25 April 1970, PCFs 3 and 94 came under heavy AK-47 and B-40 rocket attack.  Three (3) B-40 rockets detonated close aboard PCF-94, causing shrapnel damage, the starboard bow was also hit by 9 AK-47 rounds.  One crewman on PCF-3 was wounded.  The PCFs suppressed the fire and then spotted for a SEAWOLVES strike on the surrounding area.


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1 posted on 02/17/2004 1:22:19 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Don't ever forget it was Kerry and his 'rat pack that started it with Vietnam.
2 posted on 02/17/2004 1:28:43 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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"Kerry experienced his first intense combat action on Dec. 2, 1968. He was slightly wounded on his arm, earning his first Purple Heart."

There is no mention of this intense combat action in the records of PCF 44.

Granted these records are not very detailed and do not claim to be definitive or even extensive.
3 posted on 02/17/2004 1:29:17 PM PST by Hon
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To: All
In late January 1969, Kerry joined a five-man crew on swift boat No. 94 completing 18 missions over 48 days, almost all of them in the Mekong Delta.

Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a minor shrapnel wound in his left thigh on Feb. 20, 1969.

February 28, 1969: When Kerry's Patrol Craft Fast 94 received a B-40 rocket shot from shore, he hot dogged his craft beaching it in the center of the enemy position. Kerry was given a Silver Star for his actions.

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The record here says:

- On 29 January 1969, PCFs 5, 72, 93 and 94, together with units of COSDIV 13, conducted operations in the Cua Lon river. PCFs 72 and 94 came under fire while probing a side canal resultings in 3 USN WIA and light damage to PCF 94.

- PCF-94, in company with PCFs 22, 35 and VNN PCF-3806, 14 January 1970, were supporting a troop sweep when PCF-94 was hit by a claymore mine resulting in two (2) friendly WIA and damage to the hull and one engine.

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There is NO mention of the engagement that got Kerry a Silver Star. Isn't that a little weird?
4 posted on 02/17/2004 1:32:35 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Very interesting. BTTT.
5 posted on 02/17/2004 1:32:39 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Hon
Like all Democrats, JF Kerry received a HEAP of glory at a very small price. I have no problem saying that he was awful lucky and/or had some kind of PULL to get superficial scratches turned into THREE purple hearts in just 3 and 1/2 months. However earning a Silver Star for what was stated in this article is beyond belief.
6 posted on 02/17/2004 1:32:55 PM PST by PISANO (u)
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To: Constitution Day
I wonder how many of these guys are now going to get emails, asking about their impressions of Kerry--if they even can remember him.
7 posted on 02/17/2004 1:35:37 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon; backhoe; Howlin; PhiKapMom; MeekOneGOP
*ping*
8 posted on 02/17/2004 1:35:43 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Hon
Thanks for posting this, as I was curious about the dates of service. Kerry has had the brazen dishonesty to refer to his service in "Mr. Nixon's War."

Kerry had been commanding swift boats in Vietnam for two months before Nixon was ever inaugurated. Did he really not know that Lyndon Baines Johnson, a Democrat, was President when he, Kerry, went to war?

Nixon would have to have made peace within two months of taking office to have had a prayer of dodging Kerry's slur and I doubt even that would have worked.
9 posted on 02/17/2004 1:36:14 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Maybe Kerry preceives it that way because he didn't get into much combat until after Nixon was elected President.

Of course we know why he says it. He can't blame LBJ or his own personal god, JFK.
10 posted on 02/17/2004 1:39:56 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon; Cuttnhorse
Ping - Bump!
;-)
11 posted on 02/17/2004 1:42:15 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Support Our Troops!)
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To: Hon
Maybe Kerry preceives it that way because he didn't get into much combat until after Nixon was elected President.

Or maybe Kerry simply has no truth in him.

12 posted on 02/17/2004 1:42:47 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Hon
Granted these records are not very detailed and do not claim to be definitive or even extensive.

He should have to prove he was wounded. Who wrote it up? Where are the photos? Who witnessed it?

13 posted on 02/17/2004 1:43:04 PM PST by js1138
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To: Hon; PhilDragoo
Interesting. Looks like Kerry is "AWOL" from these particular records.
15 posted on 02/17/2004 1:43:24 PM PST by SAMWolf (Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
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To: Hon
>> February 28, 1969: ... he hot dogged his craft beaching it in the center of the enemy position. ... ...Kerry leaped from the boat and dashed in to administer a "coup de grace" to the wounded Viet Cong.

I received a more critical report on this incident by e-mail. The writer, who also fought on swift boats and other river craft, said that one was never, ever to beach a craft -- then it would be defenseless. If somebody went ashore, it would restrict the gunner's field of fire as well.

As for that "coup de grace" -- that was a war crime. We do not shoot the wounded.

16 posted on 02/17/2004 1:47:52 PM PST by T'wit ( "My little jokes don't hurt nobody. But when Congress makes a joke, it's the law!" -- Will Rogers)
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To: T'wit
As for that "coup de grace" -- that was a war crime. We do not shoot the wounded.

I would hope we shoot the walking, armed, unsurrendered wounded. They can shoot us.

17 posted on 02/17/2004 1:51:14 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Hon
Looks like Kerry got his Silver Star for committing a war crime?

1) I thought it was illegal to use 50 cal on human targets?

2) I thought as a US Soldier, Kerry should have offered the wonded Viet Cong quarter - or was it okay to murder a helpless enemy in cold blood?

Some reporter should ask Kerry to clear this up. If this is what happened, his Silver Star is a disgace. I'd also like to know who wrote him up for the Silver Star - and why.
18 posted on 02/17/2004 1:51:29 PM PST by Fenris6
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To: All
COASTAL DIVISION THIRTEEN SWIFTGRAM

SWIFTGRAM 1-69

This "SWIFTGRAM" is designed to keep the families and friends of Coastal Division THIRTEEN apprised of the happenings within the division. It will be published at periodic intervals and will be available to each man to send home.

Although nineteen sixty-nine is still new, Coastal Division THIRTEEN has already established an enviable reputation for the new year, and at its present pace, will soon become unbeatable.

As you may realize, operational committments have been keeping the boats in the division on patrol approximately 60% of the time, with the remaining 40% in-port time being taken up by boat maintenance, duty, and crew rest. The schedule is arduous, but the crews are more than holding their own.

Coastal Division THIRTEEN is presently the largest Swift Boat Division in Vietnam. Besides our regular ocean and river patrols, for the past five months we have actively been participating in Operation Sea Lords, a series of highly successful raids into Viet Cong controlled waterways in the Mekong Delta. These raids have inflicted heavy casualties and considerable damage on the enemy, and though several boats have been damaged, the spirit and enthusiasm of the division remains high.

In spite of our busy schedule, personnel in the divisionhave found time to study for advancement exams, and to enjoy an occasional beach party.

The crews lucky enough not to be on patrol on certain Sunday afternoons enjoyed beach parties. with lots of beer, bar-b-qued steaks and chicken, good times were had by all. The main event of each party was a football game between the officers and enlisted men. Although they played hard, the enlisted men couldn't quite match the talents of their officers, and went down to defeat on several occasions. However, it always turned out to be an even match in the beer-drinking category. As an item of interest;during the recent basketball game the enlisted men lead the officers 50-48 at half time - it ended that way as the officers were unable to continue in the torrid Vietnam heat.

On other occasions the officers and men joined forces and represented Coastal Division THIRTEEN in the Cat Lo Naval Base football and basketball tournaments. The "Swifts" came out in first in football, and lost a well-played game in basketball to wind up in second place.

Due to the tempo of operations in Operation Sea Lords, the increased demands upon each crew has brought forth acts of courage and heroism which cannot go unobserved.

As a result of these highly dangerous river incursions the following awards have been recommended for our men:

Navy Cross 1
Silver Star 1
Bronze Star 26
Navy Commendation Medal 20
Purple Heart 16

On 22 February General Abrams and Vice Admiral Zumwalt took time from their busy schedules to talk to and commend the division for the job it is doing.

The present pace of operations will continue for quite a while. Towards the end of March the monsoon seas will be abating, and the tempo of operations will increase with more patrol stations to be manned.

The crews will be busier than ever, and although the time passes quickly, all look forward anxiously to the day when they will return home.

Until our next SWIFTGRAM, I would like to wish all of you a very successful 1969.

J.W. Streuli

J. W. STREULI
LCDR U.S. Navy
Commander Coastal Division 13

http://swiftboats.net/extras/cosdiv13swiftgram1-69.htm

Looks like Kerry scored the only Silver Star in the group.
19 posted on 02/17/2004 1:56:48 PM PST by Hon
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To: VadeRetro
[i]I would hope we shoot the walking, armed, unsurrendered wounded. They can shoot us.[/i]

True. But his gunner laid down a swarm of 50 cal rounds on the enemy's tent. If any of that fire was accurate, its very likely that Kerry stumbled in on a shredded man incapable of living much longer, much less firing a weapon.

Does Kerry insist the man was armed? Can he coorborate with a witness, or are we supposed to just take his word that he didn't murder a helpless potential POW?
20 posted on 02/17/2004 1:57:31 PM PST by Fenris6
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To: Fenris6
I thought it was illegal to use 50 cal on human targets?

Nope.

22 posted on 02/17/2004 1:58:33 PM PST by demlosers (When W wins this November, I’m going to gloat and ridicule the bias media for a very long time.)
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To: onyx
I'll cross link this to this:

-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--

-and email to the Usual Suspects across the 'net.

23 posted on 02/17/2004 1:58:52 PM PST by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)... the 00's? The Decade of Lunatics...)
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To: Hon
Find his military records first before you try to skewer him. By cutting and pasting websites together to make your point is a bit cheap don't you think?

Stooping to the Dems level does not serve conservatives well or this website.

24 posted on 02/17/2004 1:59:02 PM PST by Weimdog
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To: Hon; js1138
Here he is, OinC of PCF 66, 10/68-4/69.

Interesting that there is no history of the vessel's number in any of the engagement descriptions on the page you cited.

Clerical error, I suppose.

 

PCF 66
Crew e-mail Address Dates Base Comments
    2 June 1966 Qui Nhon first arrived in South Vietnam
Donald B. DaParma, LTJG, OinC daparma@warwick.net 6/66-5/67 Qui Nhon Pine Island, NY
Benjamin F. Woods Jr, BM1   6/66-5/67 Qui Nhon  
Stephen J. Carney, GMG1   6/66-5/67 Qui Nhon  
David W. Cristee, RM2   6/66-5/67 Qui Nhon ??Saint Albans, WV??
William E. Morrow, EN3   6/66-5/67 Qui Nhon  
Jimmy D. Wells, GMG3   6/66-5/67 Qui Nhon  
J.J. Vogel, SN   6/66-5/67 Qui Nhon  
Thomas R. Snell, LTJG, OinC   5/67-?? Qui Nhon was from Winston-Salem, NC
Walter Buturla, RD1   5/67-?? Qui Nhon Pawtucket, RI
Michael A. Tortosa, BM3   5/67-?? Qui Nhon ??Bogota, NJ??
Raymond M. Larue, RD3 raynan@aol.com 5/67-?? Qui Nhon Attleboro, MA
Michael Gary Barnes, GMGSN/3 shortoff@hci.net 5/67-?? Qui Nhon Nebo, NC
James Calvin Willis, FN/EN3   5/67-?? Qui Nhon  
William B. Hoole Jr, LT, OinC   4/68-4/69 Qui Nhon Darlington, SC
Glenn K. Anderson, EN2   68-69 Qui Nhon  
Stanley G. Simonson, GMG3   68-69 Qui Nhon  
Virgil H. Chambers, RD3 vhchambers@midohio.net 4/68-10/68 Qui Nhon Ostaander, OH
Donald Christopher Brown Jr, RDSN d.64@insightbb.com 4/68-4/69 Qui Nhon Bowling Green, KY
Gale Roger Kitchen Jr, GMGSN   68-69 Qui Nhon Portsmouth, OH
John H. Davis, GMGSN john.davis@nortrax.com 7/68-7/69 An Thoi Yolo, CA
John Forbes Kerry, LTJG, OinC   10/68-4/69 An Thoi Boston, MA
Michael Richard Eugene Medeiros, QM2    ??-5/69 An Thoi San Leandro, CA
Thomas M. Belodeau, RDSN   ??-4/69 An Thoi deceased 11/10/97---Dracut, MA
Charles R. Gibson, LTJG, OinC   69    
Fred Burns, BM2   69    
Mel Baker, RD3   69    
?Gary James?"Muggsy"Montgomery, RD3   69    
Donald Paul Bilodeau, RDSA   69   Union City, CA
Frederick Alan Short, GMG3 f_short@yahoo.com 2/69 An Thoi North Little Rock, AR
    8/14-10/2/69   overhaul at NSF Cam Ranh Bay
    31 October 1969 Saigon transferred to South Vietnamese Navy

25 posted on 02/17/2004 1:59:38 PM PST by yatros from flatwater (The Truth Will Out!)
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Navy Cross 1
Silver Star 1
Bronze Star 26
Navy Commendation Medal 20
Purple Heart 16

Out of all of those men what are the odds that one person would get the only Silver Star, one of only 26 Bronze Stars, and THREE of the 16 Purple Hearts?

(Especially when the actions he was involved in don't even seem worth a mention in the directory's record.)
26 posted on 02/17/2004 2:00:39 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
INTREP - VNVAJK
27 posted on 02/17/2004 2:01:09 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: demlosers
BTTT!
29 posted on 02/17/2004 2:02:31 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: yatros from flatwater
Thanks. I searched that page just to make sure, using control + f "find" and I got no hits for Kerry. Weird.

But as you say it must be a clerical error, since the rest of his crew (from the photos) are listed in the PCF 94 boat.
30 posted on 02/17/2004 2:04:25 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Who put Kerry in for the silver Star??? Kerry???
31 posted on 02/17/2004 2:04:44 PM PST by cynicom
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To: demlosers
I thought it was illegal to use 50 cal on human targets? - Nope Sure? I specifically remember being told during 50 cal training that it was against the Geneva Convention or something along those lines to use it on personnel - becasue I recall alot of us rolling our eyes when we heard that. But maybe I've got it mixed up with the 25mm APDST.
32 posted on 02/17/2004 2:04:55 PM PST by Fenris6
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To: yatros from flatwater
BTW, wouldn't you have thought, especially since Kerry was such a hero, that one of his fellow crew members would have corrected the list--especially since they keep it updated with email addresses and such?
33 posted on 02/17/2004 2:05:44 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
zero!!!
34 posted on 02/17/2004 2:05:58 PM PST by faithincowboys ( Zell Miller is the only DC Democrat not committing treason.)
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To: VadeRetro
>> I would hope we shoot the walking, armed, unsurrendered wounded. They can shoot us.

Sure, but this was a coup de grace. By definition the enemy soldier was helpless.

35 posted on 02/17/2004 2:07:24 PM PST by T'wit ( "My little jokes don't hurt nobody. But when Congress makes a joke, it's the law!" -- Will Rogers)
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To: Fenris6
It was some kind of a "hooch," which I take to mean a lightly built hut. A rocket launcher and one rocket round were recovered, brought back to the boat by Kerry. Thus, the VC soldier must be assumed a threat to destroy the boat unless one of the .50 cal rounds took him out.

I can't prove Kerry didn't shoot a dead or dying man, or a man trying to surrender. Kerry is the only one still alive who saw what happened inside the "hooch." The way the system works, we don't require proof of innocence except in the special case of the Bush ANG "AWOL" story. (But that's OK too. The proofs of innocence have been turning up.)
36 posted on 02/17/2004 2:08:08 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Hon
Which one of these events describes JFKerry pulling aboard that wounded Republican?
37 posted on 02/17/2004 2:08:14 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: onyx; autoresponder

38 posted on 02/17/2004 2:09:03 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Hon
February 28, 1969: When Kerry's Patrol Craft Fast 94 received a B-40 rocket shot from shore, he hot dogged his craft beaching it in the center of the enemy position. Kerry was given a Silver Star for his actions.

I read a more complete bio of Kerry's swift boat career, and, as I recall, he received his Silver Star in the above mentioned engagement. When he beached his boat a teenager with a B-40 jumped up aiming it at them. Probably because he was too close to safely fire, he turned around and ran. Kerry jumped off the boat, ran after him and shot him before he could fire the B-40. His action likely saved the boat and crew.

After reading the account I had to admit that it sounds like a legitimate Silver Star. I don't think his actions under fire, however, warrant the behavior Benedict Kerry displayed upon his return home.

39 posted on 02/17/2004 2:09:29 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: T'wit
By definition the enemy soldier was helpless.

See post 36. "By definition?"

40 posted on 02/17/2004 2:09:50 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Hon
Frankly I think it's pretty weak to go after Kerry on his combat experiences. I don't see anything here but a bunch of conjecture about what, exactly, he may or may have not done.

Hit the guy for all its worth on his post-war hippie protesting and his loopy-lefty politics. But during the war he seems to have done his job and caught some frag a couple of times. That's pretty much good enough for me. Hell, I never got wounded except for a couple of pull-tab incidents.
41 posted on 02/17/2004 2:11:18 PM PST by 12B
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To: backhoe
Thank you, backhoe. You ARE the best.
42 posted on 02/17/2004 2:11:43 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Just mythoughts
"Which one of these events describes JFKerry pulling aboard that wounded Republican?"

None that I can see. But to be fair, they're pretty sketchy about things.

But it is remarkable the stuff they do mention--since some of it sounds quite mundane.
43 posted on 02/17/2004 2:13:03 PM PST by Hon
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To: onyx
Thank you- and I see my complaint about laffercurve at #21 got answered, too. Life is good.
44 posted on 02/17/2004 2:13:53 PM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the TrackBall into the Sunset...)
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To: Hon
I thought that strange also.
45 posted on 02/17/2004 2:14:46 PM PST by dalebert
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To: T'wit
Sure, but this was a coup de grace.

OK, I see what you're going for with the "by definition." Nevertheless, you don't make a war crimes tribunal out of some writer's perhaps unintentionally incriminating turn of phrase unless that writer was Kerry himself in the after-action report.

46 posted on 02/17/2004 2:15:55 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Hon
It's up there on February 28.

My correspondent insisted he should have been court-martialed for beaching his boat.

47 posted on 02/17/2004 2:16:05 PM PST by T'wit ( "My little jokes don't hurt nobody. But when Congress makes a joke, it's the law!" -- Will Rogers)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
"Probably because he was too close to safely fire, he turned around and ran. Kerry jumped off the boat, ran after him and shot him before he could fire the B-40. His action likely saved the boat and crew."

I'm a little surprised at the twist this discussion has taken, but so be it.

There are numerous descriptions of Kerry's SS event, including the one you give. What I find surprising, is that in all of them he is described as RUNNING after the VC.

This was supposed to have taken place very shortly after his supposedly most serious wound--shrapnel in the thigh--which he claimed cost him two service days in the hospital. (His CO said he lost no duty days from his wounds.)

What was he doing running after VC when he had just been wounded in the thigh?
48 posted on 02/17/2004 2:16:20 PM PST by Hon
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To: 12B
WEAK. Apparently you have missed the new standard set forth over the past couple of weeks.

Only military records proves what one claims. Until JFKerry makes his records public we cannot believe anything he says.

Should be no big deal for the Senator to release his military records after all he wants to be president and that is what presidents are required to do now, release their military records, that gives credibility.
49 posted on 02/17/2004 2:17:44 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: backhoe
LOL! Yes, #21 is deleted. That bad, huh?
50 posted on 02/17/2004 2:18:06 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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