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CA: Thanks to a semicolon, gays and lesbians keep marrying in San Francisco
AP via San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Feb. 17, 2004 | DAVID KRAVETS and LISA LEFF

Posted on 02/17/2004 5:04:39 PM PST by calcowgirl

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SAN FRANCISCO - Two judges delayed taking any action Tuesday to shut down San Francisco's same-sex wedding spree, citing court procedures as they temporarily rebuffed conservative groups enraged that the city's liberal politicians had already married almost 2,400 gay and lesbian couples.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: civilunion; gavinnewsom; homosexual; homosexualagenda; lawsuits; marriage; samesexmarriage; sf; stunt
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A semicolon... unbelievable.
1 posted on 02/17/2004 5:04:40 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Homosexuals and colons go together.
2 posted on 02/17/2004 5:07:11 PM PST by dinok
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To: calcowgirl
Thank God they didn't have a mis-spelling!
3 posted on 02/17/2004 5:07:28 PM PST by NavyCaptain
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To: calcowgirl
A semicolon is much more important than Gavin Newsom breaking the law.

4 posted on 02/17/2004 5:07:42 PM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: calcowgirl
It's not a semicolon issue, that's just an excuse. If the semicolon is corrected it will be your using the wrong adjective next.
5 posted on 02/17/2004 5:07:48 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: calcowgirl
A lot of guys in Frisco are lucky if they have any fraction of a colon.
6 posted on 02/17/2004 5:08:05 PM PST by Argus
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To: calcowgirl
A semicolon... unbelievable.

Was the judge referring to a semicolon or a seman colon?

7 posted on 02/17/2004 5:08:25 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: BlessedByLiberty
Gavin Newsome is a semicolon and he is definitely in the wrong place.
8 posted on 02/17/2004 5:09:11 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: calcowgirl
It's hard for me believe the petition did not request "or such other relief as this Court may grant."

This would, I believe, permit the Judge to grant whatever lawful relief he saw fit, whether it was requested or not.

9 posted on 02/17/2004 5:09:56 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: calcowgirl
All he had to do was strike out the semi-colon with his pen, interlineate the word "or", hand it to the attorneys to initial, and enter the order.

At least, that's all he'd have to do in Virginia.

If hand written interlineations are a violation of California law, if I had been one of the lawyers, I would have called my secretary on a cell phone and instructed her to retype that one page and fax it to judge's chambers ASAP. Total turn-around time, 15 minutes, max. A secretary on her toes could do it in 5 minutes.
10 posted on 02/17/2004 5:10:08 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: dinok; calcowgirl
Isn't there something tragically ironic about the judge's statement?
11 posted on 02/17/2004 5:10:16 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GWB 1/20/04)
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To: calcowgirl
Is is?
12 posted on 02/17/2004 5:11:30 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Go Gordon
It was probably a high colon-ick.
13 posted on 02/17/2004 5:11:55 PM PST by Felis_irritable
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To: calcowgirl
Just like his grandaddy. The nut doesn't fall far from the tree.
14 posted on 02/17/2004 5:12:34 PM PST by stop_fascism
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To: calcowgirl
I have never heard of a judge not ruling on a petition before based on a semicolon. The plaintiffs should have told the judge we will make immediate change and refile. NOW RULE
15 posted on 02/17/2004 5:12:48 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: NonValueAdded
"The way you've written this it has a semicolon where it should have the word 'or'," the judge told them. "I don't have the authority to issue it under these circumstances."

Isn't there something tragically ironic about the judge's statement?

You mean kinda like, I only have the authority to overrule written laws, the constitution and write my own laws as I see them, but I don't have REAL POWER the kind it takes to remove a semicolon and replace it with "or."

16 posted on 02/17/2004 5:15:07 PM PST by Dad was my hero
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To: CobaltBlue
Yes, I don't get this. I was a legal secretary in CA for 10 years and there were times attorneys would draft a handwritten stipulation in court and have it signed! If they were arguing about that semicolon all day, there's no reason on earth a new one couldn't have been printed and messengered to the courthouse, if the judge refused to strike it out himself (which I believe he could do...).
17 posted on 02/17/2004 5:15:16 PM PST by GOPrincess
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To: calcowgirl
I heard on the radio (special report from ABC news during the Roger Hedgecock show) that the 2nd ruling from the Superior Court is to stop issuing [fake] marriage licenses.

This contradicts the AP report that there's no ruling, so who knows who is right.

18 posted on 02/17/2004 5:16:25 PM PST by heleny (No on propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: calcowgirl
Those cornhole judges probably have a colon the size of a semi.
20 posted on 02/17/2004 5:17:33 PM PST by dc-zoo
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To: EdReform
ping
21 posted on 02/17/2004 5:19:03 PM PST by calcowgirl (No on Propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: calcowgirl
If God doesn't utterly level San Francisco, He owes Sodom and Gomorrah HUGE apologies.
22 posted on 02/17/2004 5:19:32 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: heleny
ABC's special report changed. Now they say that the marriages will continue until Friday, at least, when the 1st judge has another hearing.

The 2nd judge set a date for March 29th but didn't stop the marriages as initially reported.

23 posted on 02/17/2004 5:22:06 PM PST by heleny (No on propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: calcowgirl
I hope this sets a precedent. Judges should base all decision on which lawyers present their brief with the best grammar and punctuation.
24 posted on 02/17/2004 5:23:36 PM PST by Always Right
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To: calcowgirl
But until they write their proposed court order correctly, Warren indicated that he would not order an immediate halt to the marriages of gays and lesbians that continued throughout the day across the street at City Hall.

Some sort of White-Out© shortage in Cally?

25 posted on 02/17/2004 5:25:10 PM PST by Libloather (Charter member - VRWC - # EIB-04151982)
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To: RightOnline
Considering what is underneath SF, its total destruction is, geologically speaking, only a matter of time.
26 posted on 02/17/2004 5:26:02 PM PST by Restorer
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The 2nd judge said that SF should either shut down the marriages or show up March 29th to explain why not. Obviously, SF will choose the latter.
27 posted on 02/17/2004 5:27:22 PM PST by heleny (No on propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: heleny
March 29th?????

It takes a month and a half to change a semi-colon?

Again.... Unbelievable!
28 posted on 02/17/2004 5:29:42 PM PST by calcowgirl (No on Propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: calcowgirl
The judge, the black robed bastard, is clearly toying with the plantiffs and the outraged public. This is just more shoving it in our faces. Remember Orwell's vision of the future "a boot on a face, over and over, forever". Well it's pretty much come to that with the black-robed idiots. The citizens of the state should start impeaching them right now. This is disgusting and absurd and evil.

Maybe the Gov. should call out the national guard and surround City Hall.
29 posted on 02/17/2004 5:31:42 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: calcowgirl
Amateurs. When I have a big case in court, I bring a laptop and portable printer just in case I need to whip out a quick document, subpoena, draft order or whatever. You have to be prepared for these possibilities.
30 posted on 02/17/2004 5:31:42 PM PST by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: calcowgirl
Couldn`t the Judge(s) have issued a temporary order until the issue is looked at again at the later date ? After the petition wording/punctuation error is corrected?

By not doing so, it seems they just wanted to twist a screw into the sides of the plaintiffs.

No , there`s no agenda there , is there ? ( sarcasm )

31 posted on 02/17/2004 5:32:10 PM PST by Bud Krieger ( Who is Bud Krieger?)
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To: NonValueAdded
what is tragic is that the law is being broken and no one does anything to stop it.

Earth to Arnold...your state is going to hell...(deeper)
32 posted on 02/17/2004 5:33:08 PM PST by dinok
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To: calcowgirl
"The way you've written this it has a semicolon where it should have the word 'or'," the judge told them. "I don't have the authority to issue it under these circumstances .... The judge said he'd read the voluminous briefs submitted to him, and had done his own research, reviewing all the relevant statutes."

Being able to parse the meaning of a single semicolon from "voluminous briefs" is something you might expect from an anal-retentive...

33 posted on 02/17/2004 5:33:37 PM PST by mikrofon (_ ; _)
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To: dinok
semi-colon = half-ass
34 posted on 02/17/2004 5:34:08 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: calcowgirl
Newsom says the equal protection clause of the California Constitution makes denying marriage licenses to gay couples illegal.

Newsom has no authority to issue licenses in violation of the express power delegaged by the state. If he believes the proposition is unconstitutional, his remedy is to challenge the proposition in court. Not to act without authority in issuing illegal licenses. Think about what the media coverage would be if a Republican started issuing Concealed Carry permits in a state that didn't allow their issuance---saying that the 2nd Amendment trumped the lack of a Concealed Carry law.

35 posted on 02/17/2004 5:34:46 PM PST by 07055
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To: 07055
Think about what the media coverage would be if a Republican started issuing Concealed Carry permits in a state that didn't allow their issuance---saying that the 2nd Amendment trumped the lack of a Concealed Carry law.

Very true...but I can imagine many, many people cheering.
36 posted on 02/17/2004 5:38:08 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: calcowgirl

Proposition 22

On March 7, 2000, the people of California voted on Proposition 22, a proposal to enact a state "Defense of Marriage Act" as an initiative statute. The text of Prop 22 reads:

“Only marriage between a man and a woman
is valid or recognized in California.”

Proposition 22 was ratified by an overwhelming majority of California voters, prevailing by a 23-point margin. Statewide, 4,618,673 votes were cast in favor of the proposition, comprising 61.4% of the total vote. Opponents garnered 2,909,370 votes, for 38.6% of the vote.

Final vote counts revealed that Proposition 22 won in 52 of California's 58 counties, including all of the major metropolitan areas except for San Francisco. The six counties which did not approve Prop. 22 were all in the immediate San Francisco Bay area, including: Alameda county, Marin county, San Francisco county, Santa Cruz county, Sonoma county, and Yolo county.

37 posted on 02/17/2004 5:39:53 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: calcowgirl
If the protestors were anti-Abortion demonstrators, or KKK, a semicolon would not stop a judge in CA to order the SWAT, ATF, FBI and other alphabet agencies from storming the compound and make arrests. Let us not be fooled or be naive.
38 posted on 02/17/2004 5:43:32 PM PST by Fee
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To: dinok; All
Yeah, but homosexuals are

semi-

a lot of things . . .

--semi-bright,

--semi-insightful,

--semi-forward thinking,

--semi-healthy,

--semi-addicted to each other. They'd be more addicted to each other for longer periods but it takes too much work and risk and responsible abandonment. Hedging their bets with one foot in someone else's bed or . . . all the time kind of hinders that.

--semi-idiots about health risks,

--semi-stupid about sociological implications of their 'not harm anyone else' choices;

--semi-arrogant, Welllll, some are well over the line of semi-but most are still somewhat sheepish about their chosen activities enough to not quite manage full blown arrogant ALL the time.

--semi-selfish, . . . Welllll, most are probably well into selfish but even a lot of the most selfish can be amazingly thoughtful and charitable when they feel like it.

--semi-balanced, . . . It's hard to be more balanced between work, activism, indoctrinating of the nearest youth and keeping 3-8 . . . buddy butts happy.

--semi-off the wall,

--semi-flakes,

--semi-delluded [wholesale in sexual areas but decent decorators],

--semi-thoughtful [lots with the current flame or conquest--not at all toward society or the 2nd ranking or has been partner(s)],

--semi-committed [great when it's easy or seems to offer them a good deal--little to not at all when it really costs them something persistently],

--semi-sexy [mostly too addicted to lust to be wholesale sexy. Really sexy requires responsibility to afford the true freedom of true abandonment necessary for quality sex available only in a monogomous long term relationship];

--semi-durable--with a life span 10-20 years shorter than their cohorts--they must be getting their visions of growing old together via marriage from something they are sharing smoking.

--semi-dogmatic--they don't have the persistence to be durably dogmatic. When their hormones are raging and their anger at a similar volume, the dogmatism is intense. When they are alone in their self-pity at the ending of yet another short term relationship with perhaps someone too short or more selfish--then their energy all goes to self-pity or figuring out which mode of suicide would be the most dramatic.

--semi-religious [religious enough to feel comforted but not enough to make any real difference in their eternal destiny].

--semi-moral [not enough to give the truly moral any competition but enough to justify in their own eyes a good argument--as long as the morality doesn't really cost them any pleasure, selfishness or grand-standing chits.

--semi-altruistic--again--as long as it doesn't cost them anything very serious very long.

--semi-responsible--well--quasi safe sex if they're not tooooo horney and not in toooo much of a hurry and if they're not trying to 'share the wealth' of the intense thrill that HIV is supposed to be !!!

--semi-caring toward children--as long as the children wholesale meet their needs, fantasies and unmet attachment needs from their own childhood and and as long as the kids serve as great props in legal and other social grandstanding.

--semi-ridiculous--wellllll--some are wholesale over the line of extremely ridiculous but all of them are at least

semi-ridiculous--ever seen a gay parade even in the media? And can you think of a better word than ridiculous when considering Shrillery and Reno or the public french kiss by what's their farces? Maybe semi- is a bit generous on this one but . . . a lot out of the limelight probably qualify as semi-ridiculous in a list of ways and over the line ridiculous in a few.

--semi-bruised, batterd, mystified and clueless in their inner child but sufficiently 'together' to put together SOME sort of pretend whole image.

--semi-tough. I mean--there's bear clubs, chain gangs, firemen, military sorts, policemen, bikers etc. What else can they do when part of the generation for their being is to make up in spades every grasping way they can for the lack of maleness daddy never succeeded in transmitting to them.

--semi-masculine--whether receivers or givers . . . methinks the yearning must be much greater than any masculinity ever demonstrated or received. I think the frantic flitting from fat cheeked 'flower' to 'flower' has to be in part a desperate search for something daddy never managed to deliver. They just haven't figured out any other way to get their best pretense for masculinity applauded, thrilled or at least off.
. . .
39 posted on 02/17/2004 5:51:18 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: calcowgirl
Are the two judges gay or have a gay loved one?

It's ridiculous! The mayor should be arrested. He's making his own law in totally disregard to the will of the people who reinforced EXISTING law of what a marriage is.
40 posted on 02/17/2004 5:52:23 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: heleny
By David Kravets and Lisa Leff
ASSOCIATED PRESS
5:22 p.m. February 17, 2004

SAN FRANCISCO – A judge said Tuesday that San Francisco appears to be violating the law by issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, but he declined to order an immediate halt to the weddings.

A conservative group had asked Judge James Warren to immediately stop the wedding spree and void the 2,400 same-sex marriages performed in the city since Thursday, but instead he issued a non-binding cease-and-desist order and told the city to return on March 29 and explain its legal position.

"We are extremely happy and gratified that a stay was not issued," City Attorney Dennis Herrerra said.

It wasn't immediately clear whether Mayor Gavin Newsom would abide by the non-binding court order, or tell city officials to continue issuing the marriage licenses.

Earlier Tuesday, another judge told another conservative group to return on Friday for another hearing on their challenge of the city's marriage policy.

41 posted on 02/17/2004 5:54:04 PM PST by calcowgirl (No on Propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: calcowgirl
A semicolon in EBONICS means "or"--- now continue please.
42 posted on 02/17/2004 5:54:22 PM PST by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: RightOnline

There will be another great earthquake.
43 posted on 02/17/2004 5:54:42 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: CobaltBlue
All he had to do was strike out the semi-colon with his pen, interlineate the word "or", hand it to the attorneys to initial, and enter the order.

Hell, he wouldn't even have to do that. A semicolon replaces a comma and a coordinating conjuction (and, but, or, nor, for), so, therefore, "or" is already in there, just in a different, totally legitimate fashion. This judge is just helping the Cause O' The Queers.

44 posted on 02/17/2004 5:56:10 PM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Oh boy, I can't wait to eat that monkey!"--Abe Simpson)
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To: 07055
Think about what the media coverage would be if a Republican started issuing Concealed Carry permits in a state that didn't allow their issuance---saying that the 2nd Amendment trumped the lack of a Concealed Carry law.

And what would be wrong with that? Seems to be a pretty effective way to force the issue into court. I wish some mayor *would* start issuing CCW permits in defiance of state law, citing the US contitution as precedent.

So Newsom is doing exactly what you suggest - he is challenging the law in court, just in a roundabout way.

I also just don't understand what everyone else here seems to instictively know - How does letting two gay men, or two gay women, marry one another weaken the marriage I have with my wife or the institution of marriage as a whole? Will my wife stop loving me because a couple of guys in the city love each other? Are our vows somehow compromised by this?

As far as I can tell, I woke up this morning next to my wife, just as married as I was when I went to bed yesterday, no difference. People used to predict all sorts of doom-and-gloom if a black man were to marry a white woman (gasp!), and we seemed to have survived that ok. The only downside I see if that competition for good wedding sites might be even more intense now than before. Honestly, I don't see what all the fuss is about.

45 posted on 02/17/2004 5:57:19 PM PST by clamboat
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To: calcowgirl
It wasn't immediately clear whether Mayor Gavin Newsom would abide by the non-binding court order, or tell city officials to continue issuing the marriage licenses.

Like, Duh. Since Newsom initially told the clerk to issue the marriage licenses, there's obviously no reason he would tell them to stop now.

One thing I'm not too clear on is that I heard in the news that SF planned to perform 30-40 marriages today. But, how many marriage licenses did they issue? Such licenses are usually good for 90 days.

46 posted on 02/17/2004 6:00:18 PM PST by heleny (No on propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: dinok
Has Arnold even said anything about this? He seems to be totally silent on the issue. He is being completely irresponsible by allowing these illegal acts to go forward.
47 posted on 02/17/2004 6:02:25 PM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Oh boy, I can't wait to eat that monkey!"--Abe Simpson)
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To: calcowgirl
"...depends on what the meaning of 'is', is..."

the (rotten, infested, hate-america-first...) apple dudn't fall far from da tree
48 posted on 02/17/2004 6:04:28 PM PST by CGVet58 (God has granted us liberty, and we owe him courage in return)
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To: Future Snake Eater
A semicolon replaces a comma and a coordinating conjuction (and, but, or, nor, for)

You need an independent clause after a semicolon or after a comma+conjunction. Since the phrase wasn't an independent clause, it should be "or" without a comma.

49 posted on 02/17/2004 6:04:38 PM PST by heleny (No on propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Has Arnold even said anything about this?

Yes, he issued a statement. It was something along the lines of supporting traditional marriages and civil unions and saying that this matter is for the city attorney and attorney general to handle.

50 posted on 02/17/2004 6:06:07 PM PST by heleny (No on propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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