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Censorship Is Not Solution for Trashy TV
Fox News ^ | 2/18/2004 | Wendy McElroy

Posted on 02/18/2004 10:22:05 AM PST by bassmaner

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:39:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Janet Jackson’s pop-up breast during Super Bowl halftime did not create the Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act of 2004. But it will propel passage of that Act, the consequences of which may be far worse than a bit of trashy exhibitionism on TV.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: censorship; culturewars; janetjackson; libertarians; trashtv; wendymcelroy
From the article:

Passing a law has the same appeal as drawing a gun: on the surface, it quickly stops an activity that annoys you. But drawing a gun does not solve cultural issues: it only introduces force into them.

This should serve as a warning to "social" conservatives who support in a knee-jerk fashion the legislation of morality. Examples for children should be set at home - good parenting will result in kids being inoculated against media excesses, and our precious 1st Amendment liberties will be left intact.

1 posted on 02/18/2004 10:22:05 AM PST by bassmaner
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To: gcruse; *libertarians
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2 posted on 02/18/2004 10:22:49 AM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: bassmaner
Censorship is not a solution, but boycotting sponsors sure works!
3 posted on 02/18/2004 10:25:09 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: TommyDale
Censorship is not a solution, but boycotting sponsors sure works!

Absolutely.

It worked regarding the CBS Reagan smear, and it can work again. MTV runs the Super Bowl halftime show next year? Change the channel at halftime and boycott all the advertisers. They'll get the message.

4 posted on 02/18/2004 10:28:09 AM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: bassmaner
I strongly doubt that the NFL will make the same mistake again. Heheheh.
5 posted on 02/18/2004 10:30:15 AM PST by EggsAckley ({...................troll patrol........on duty...................})
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To: TommyDale
Offer alternative networks, movie companies, radio stations, newspapers, magazines and let free enterprise win out. Support the positive and ignore the trash. Turn the channel or turn it off. It would be very helpful if we could get a comprehensive list of sponsors to boycott. Great project for an ambitious FREEPER!
6 posted on 02/18/2004 10:30:50 AM PST by Notasoccermom
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To: bassmaner
Censorship does work. It's just that everybody goes all wobbly when the name gets thrown around like a grenade. If JJ can't keep her boob under cover like any other mature woman with a minimum of good taste and class, she should be told to do so.
7 posted on 02/18/2004 10:33:33 AM PST by Thebaddog (Woof this!)
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To: bassmaner
Independent television and radio stations may be silenced. This is especially unfortunate as the application of law is not necessary to remedy the offense.

The BDEA would increase the penalties for "transmission of obscene, indecent, and profane language." Currently, the highest fine is $27,500 per offense. That maximum would be raised to $275,000 with an upper limit of $3 million for repeat offenses. Last Thursday, the Act was passed unanimously by a House of Representatives' subcommittee and moved on to the House Energy and Commerce Committee. Increased fines are clearly in the air.

Good! I completely support harsh fines and a realistic threat of license revocation for stations that broadcast objectionable material. The airwaves belong to the public at large, not the broadcast companies and standards should be enforced. First Amendment arguements don't wash with me, we've always had limits placed on non political speech and have enforced deceny laws in the past. I'm sick of constantly giving in to those who would completely debase and trash our culture.

8 posted on 02/18/2004 10:33:56 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: EggsAckley
I strongly doubt that the NFL will make the same mistake again. Heheheh.

Exactly. And it isn't the threat of new laws deterring it.

9 posted on 02/18/2004 10:37:30 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Earth first! We can mine the other planets later.)
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To: pgkdan
"Murphy concludes, 'The bottom line is that broadcasters enjoy First Amendment protection.'"

Murphy's wrong.
10 posted on 02/18/2004 10:38:07 AM PST by NYFriend
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To: Squawk 8888
Yup. Laws have nothing to do with it. Except for the laws of the free marketplace. This years stunt really backfired on them, big time. LOL!
11 posted on 02/18/2004 10:39:50 AM PST by EggsAckley ({...................troll patrol........on duty...................})
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To: Squawk 8888
I'm probably hopelessly naive, but I loved the marching band shows--they were awesome...
12 posted on 02/18/2004 10:41:10 AM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: pgkdan
I'm with you. It's pretty sad when the only place to avoid trash TV is The Animal Planet.
13 posted on 02/18/2004 10:41:14 AM PST by secret garden (Go Predators! Go Spurs!)
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To: bassmaner
Wendy is all over the word 'independent.' What's up wid dat?
14 posted on 02/18/2004 10:43:43 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: bassmaner
I agree.

I should mention that AOL considers gun rights porn......

15 posted on 02/18/2004 10:45:16 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: pgkdan
What happens in the name of 'decency' is TRASH.

I can just see a "President Kerry" appointed FCC commission censor Rush Limbaugh and others for 'indecency".

Power corrupts.

16 posted on 02/18/2004 10:46:48 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: EggsAckley
I strongly doubt that the NFL will make the same mistake again. Heheheh.

The NFL continues to put murderers, rapists and drug addicts all over the field. I find a Ray Lewis Nintendo commmercial a lot more offensive than the Super Bowl halftime. Of course, I turned the halftime off as soon as I found out that MTV was running it.

17 posted on 02/18/2004 10:50:52 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: bassmaner
This should serve as a warning to "social" conservatives who support in a knee-jerk fashion the legislation of morality. Examples for children should be set at home - good parenting will result in kids being inoculated against media excesses, and our precious 1st Amendment liberties will be left intact.

Nothing "knee jerk" about it actually. It's been building for years, and the peep show during the SuperBowl halftime show just kind of nudged some people.

I have no desire to censor the trash on MTV, Bravo and their ilk. I just don't watch it.

Here's the catch. When I pay my cable bill each month, I'm lining the coffers at MTV. Get rid of cable, you say? Ummmm, no. I have too many other stations I enjoy watching.

So, Hollywood, continue to put this garbage on, and hold me hostage to pay for it via my cable bill. I wouldn't want to tramp on someone's civil rights, by asking them to not produce and air soft porn on regular cable stations. I'll just sit here and protest in my own little way, by boycotting the sponsors. And I have a very long list.

18 posted on 02/18/2004 10:54:56 AM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I don't buy it. As objectionable as libs find Rush, they'd still agree that he's practicing political speech. The Super Bowl half time show...and half of what's on TV today is indecent and immoral. We have had a tradition of common morality in this country that has been completely corrupted in the last 30 to 40 years. I say it's time to bring back those standards.
19 posted on 02/18/2004 10:55:29 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Thebaddog
Censorship does work. It's just that everybody goes all wobbly when the name gets thrown around like a grenade.

Gee I can't imagine why, given the sparkling record of censorship and the charming people throughout history that have pushed it.

20 posted on 02/18/2004 10:55:35 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: bassmaner
Censorship is the answer, always has been.
21 posted on 02/18/2004 10:55:49 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: pgkdan
The airwaves belong to the public at large

"That's right! And always remember, communism is the positive expression of annulled private property - at first as universal private property."

22 posted on 02/18/2004 11:00:11 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: pgkdan
As objectionable as libs find Rush, they'd still agree that he's practicing political speech.

Watch the "Fairness Doctrine"

The Super Bowl half time show...and half of what's on TV today is indecent and immoral.

I don't disgree with that.

We have had a tradition of common morality in this country that has been completely corrupted in the last 30 to 40 years.

What is 'common morality'? The reason I ask is that my problem is what will be done in the NAME of it. Government thugs.

I say it's time to bring back those standards.

I saw the market should decide. I like my remote switch it gives me a choice. Not buying products is another choice.

But government, especially an unelected branch, is unworthy, and untrustworthy to make that type of decision. Up North in Canada, I see the hoopla from Don Cherry's remark on "French guys" from Quebec.

It's that law of unintended consequences that scares me.

23 posted on 02/18/2004 11:02:06 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Censorship is the answer, always has been.

That offends me. I guess you'd better be quiet now.

24 posted on 02/18/2004 11:02:08 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: pgkdan
As objectionable as libs find Rush, they'd still agree that he's practicing political speech.

.. he says, a couple months after government outlawed broadcast political messages preceding elections.

25 posted on 02/18/2004 11:06:25 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: freeeee
Gee I can't imagine why, given the sparkling record of censorship and the charming people throughout history that have pushed it.

TV has been censored since it started coming into America's living room in the 40's. The standards and practices laws did a good job of keeping the crap out of your house. I think they did have a sparkling record. With the advent of cable/satellite the standards fell and continue to fall.

Force the cable/satellite company to give me ala carte cable/satellite programming and only pay for the channels I want to see and I will do my own "censoring".

Until that happens, fine the network/affiliate stations for violating the standards and practices laws that are on the books. Censoring does work.

26 posted on 02/18/2004 11:13:39 AM PST by hattend
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To: hattend
TV has been censored since it started coming into America's living room in the 40's.

"America's living room"? Do you mean the one in the White House? I had this weird idea living rooms were owned by individual homeowners.

The standards and practices laws did a good job of keeping the crap out of your house.

Well, you're getting closer: "Your house". Seeing as it's my house, I'll be the judge of what does and doesn't come in, thank you.

And as for "crap", I couldn't think of a better term to describe the dumbed down, bland, condescending, arrogant, elitist, propagandized insult to my intelligence that passes for programming today. Good think government is there to "help" me!

Force the cable/satellite company to give me ala carte cable/satellite programming and only pay for the channels I want to see and I will do my own "censoring".

You pay for channels you don't want? Did the cable company make you "an offer you can't refuse"?

Censoring does work.

"It always worked for me!"

27 posted on 02/18/2004 11:36:43 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: pgkdan
Disagree. The Libs would not use the FCC to ban Rush per se but they use it to defacto ban him via a new fairness doctrine. If you play with fire(censorship), don't be surprised if it burns you in the end.
28 posted on 02/18/2004 11:43:11 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: freeeee
Your censorship non-sequitors notwithstanding, yes, I do pay for channels I don't watch. I have to buy the packages offered from the satellite if I wish to view the programming.

If you know of a satellite/cable company that will let you buy only the channels you want let me know which one that is. It would cut my satellite bill way down.
29 posted on 02/18/2004 11:45:01 AM PST by hattend
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To: hattend
I have to buy the packages offered from the satellite if I wish to view the programming.

You don't have to buy anything. You choose to purchase their product.

You said: "Force the cable/satellite company to give me ala carte cable/satellite programming and only pay for the channels I want to see and I will do my own "censoring"."

Satellite company owners don't have to do anything for you or anyone else, but they choose to work hard to offer you something. And in return? You want to send guys with guns to bend them to your whims, as if they were slaves on your plantation and they weren't growing your favorite crops.

30 posted on 02/18/2004 11:53:30 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: hattend
If you know of a satellite/cable company that will let you buy only the channels you want let me know which one that is.
http://www.look.ca
31 posted on 02/18/2004 11:59:37 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Earth first! We can mine the other planets later.)
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To: pgkdan
The airwaves belong to the public at large

Da, comrade!

32 posted on 02/18/2004 12:01:54 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Squawk 8888
Well, if I ever move to Canada, I'll look it up (pun not intended).

What's the difference between Look Plus and Look Super? It doesn't look ala carte to me.
33 posted on 02/18/2004 12:11:48 PM PST by hattend
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To: MissAmericanPie
Censorship is the answer, always has been.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. etc. etc. would have agreed wholeheartedly.

34 posted on 02/18/2004 12:14:57 PM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: bassmaner
Sorry, but a healthy society has laws about in your face porn on television or in the movies.
35 posted on 02/18/2004 12:52:41 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: freeeee
In your face porn sickens a healthy society. Guess you better keep it next to your toilette.
36 posted on 02/18/2004 12:54:08 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Thanks for the advice, mom. And don't worry, I brushed my teeth and did my homework. Can I have a cookie?
37 posted on 02/18/2004 1:01:14 PM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Today as we opine about this subject, there's a CINO Republican president who would most likely agree with your sentiments and support laws against certain types of speech that you may find offensive. The laws get passed. "Decency" is enforced on the airwaves by an FCC controlled by the son of the sitting Secretary of State. All is well with the world.

Then a Leftist junior Democrat senator from Massachusetts gets elected and appoints a fellow Leftist FCC chairman. Suddenly, porn reappears on TV, the so-called "fairness doctrine" reemerges, and right-wing radio talk show hosts and certain Internet web sites find themselves under investigation for "hate speech".

Think it can't happen? Maybe not this year but ...

Fast forward 4 years and replace "Massachusetts" with "New York" in the above paragraph.

The point of the story is -- be careful what you wish for when you support giving more power to the government. Maybe seeing Janet Jackson's boob on TV will not seem so bad after all ...

38 posted on 02/18/2004 1:10:15 PM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: freeeee
Your grounded, and you must write, "I will clean up my thinking for the sake of my fellow countrymen and the moral foundations from which all children have the right to spring from", 500 times.
39 posted on 02/18/2004 1:12:01 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: bassmaner
The point of the story is -- be careful what you wish for when you support giving more power to the government.

I almost wish they'd get their way, just to see the look on their faces when government beats them over the head with the stick they just handed it.

40 posted on 02/18/2004 1:12:08 PM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: All
Cafeteria plan. Doesn't violate free speech and let's ME pick who gets my entertainment dollars. Watch the sponsors move their advertising budgets around real quick.
41 posted on 02/18/2004 1:16:16 PM PST by mpreston
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To: MissAmericanPie
I will clean up my thinking for the sake of my fellow countrymen and the moral foundations from which all children have the right to spring from

Yes, Nurse Ratched.

42 posted on 02/18/2004 1:18:14 PM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: freeeee
As a nurse I feel it my duty to inform you that you are suffering from symptoms of moral decay, and most likely tooth decay as well.

Those symptoms include hatred of good, self adoration, un-natural affection, inflated pride, arrogance, disrespect, desire for instant gratification at whatever cost to the health of society, and your sarcasm level is in the red.

The cure is an entire course of antibiotics that include, selflessness, a desire to please your Maker and be all that He intended you to attain to. Moral integrity, concern for the wellfare of others. Take two doses of each and call me in the morning.
43 posted on 02/18/2004 1:36:45 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Censorship is the answer, always has been.

My remote works just fine. If yours doesn't, get new batteries.

44 posted on 02/18/2004 1:38:46 PM PST by mhking (This tag line is "3 Laws Safe." Is yours?)
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To: MissAmericanPie
As a nurse I feel it my duty to inform you that you are suffering from symptoms of moral decay, and most likely tooth decay as well.

I have to admit that cracked me up! I guess that means I can't have a cookie

45 posted on 02/18/2004 1:44:15 PM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: freeeee
;o)
46 posted on 02/18/2004 2:03:31 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: mhking
It's gone well past that point, every channel, every sitcom, and some ads are just over the top. I do use my remote and that gives me four channels, news, discovery channel, history channel, HGTV.

Unfortunately you can't use your remote on moral decay where television leads the band and society down the path to hardening of the moral conscience. It doesn't just stay on television or on the movie screen. It's in the attitudes of the kids your child goes to school with, the drugs they take the sex they engage in at a tender age, in the work place, in the highest offices of the land, and in the mugger waiting by your car for you to come out of the grocery store.
47 posted on 02/18/2004 2:10:33 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Unfortunately you can't use your remote on moral decay where television leads the band and society down the path to hardening of the moral conscience.

So to combat your perception of moral decay, you're gonna control everyone else's remote?

I hope you'll understand when I and others wish to preserve our free speech rights.

48 posted on 02/18/2004 2:14:32 PM PST by mhking (This tag line is "3 Laws Safe." Is yours?)
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To: NYFriend
"Murphy concludes, 'The bottom line is that broadcasters enjoy First Amendment protection.'"
Murphy's wrong.
It's pretty wierd when people apply for licensing from the government--then when they have government permission, call that permission a "constitutional right." A "right" which, somehow, hardly anyone has. A broadcast license is more like an unconstitutional "title of nobility" than a constitutional "right."
Why Broadcast Journalism is
Unnecessary and Illegitimate

49 posted on 02/18/2004 2:14:39 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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To: mhking
Free speech rights carry a moral responsibility not to abuse them to the harm or detriment of others. If a person or network decides to act irresponsibly, it is the duty of a healthy society to say knock it off we don't appreciate it.

It's the same with gay marriage or any other freedom one chooses to abuse to the harm of societies health.
50 posted on 02/18/2004 2:19:50 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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