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Don't Blame The Gay Lobby, Blame The American Family
Bush Country.org ^ | 2-18-04 | Bush Country.org

Posted on 02/18/2004 10:30:02 AM PST by FlyLow

Should we recognize two men or two women as married? Or should we continue defining marriage as one man and one woman? America is not dealing merely with the rights of gays. America is falling and failing with demographic replenishment and family. The war about gay marriage is only a symptom of the greater disease, which is a culture not dedicated to family and children.

There are those who blame the rise of the Gay Lobby on certain activists, or on the atheist media. There is certainly some credit in that direction. However, if family-value Americans really believed in family, gays would still be in the closet. Gays are a product of a society where gender war and divorce are common.

As long as those who oppose gay marriage don’t themselves have a truly functioning family and marital environment, no amount of protesting will solve the problem. The Bible Belt has a huge divorce rate, almost as bad as everywhere else. What, then, can be done to fight with the gays about marriage when nobody wants it?

It is time for family people to put up or shut up. If they want family, then the tooth and nail, lobbying, and rallies must be against the society and culture of fun. This is the problem, not the gay lobby. Once we have strong families, the gay lobby will go tamely back to the closet. Or quite possibly, many homosexuals may take a new look at family, and decide to join the fun. Rabbi David Eidensohn


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1 posted on 02/18/2004 10:30:02 AM PST by FlyLow
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To: FlyLow
The homosexual lobby wouldn't exist with out the support of the homosexual controlled NY Slimes, and the rest of the enabling media and government schools.
2 posted on 02/18/2004 10:33:57 AM PST by boomop1
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To: FlyLow
America is falling and failing with demographic replenishment and family

Men are wising up to the fact that they could loose EVERYTHING at the drop of a Family Court's gavel.

3 posted on 02/18/2004 10:36:57 AM PST by StatesEnemy
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To: FlyLow
You know, Rabbi....honesty doesn't seem to be a common virtue either. Perhaps that means we should just give up teaching our children that it's important?

The institution of marriage isn't the problem folks - it's the flawed human beings in it. That doesn't mean we throw the traditional marriage definition overboard, caving to the radical homosexual agenda.

4 posted on 02/18/2004 10:38:54 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: FlyLow
Once we have strong families, the gay lobby will go tamely back to the closet. Or quite possibly, many homosexuals may take a new look at family, and decide to join the fun. Rabbi David Eidensohn

Agreed. That's why President Bush is trying to strengthen marriage.
If you look at the $$$ social programs today, you'll see they're all a result of the lack of responsibility and family values. Once the moral fabric is torn, crime, dependency, disease, death, misery, and every death style you can think up rises to the surface.

People say they don't even like the 10 Commandments, but they're laws of human nature, and if followed they would eliminate government all together. There would be peace in the world. It's the natural result.

5 posted on 02/18/2004 10:43:13 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: boomop1
The queer lobby is funded by AIDS education. In other words: US!
6 posted on 02/18/2004 10:43:33 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: anniegetyourgun; StatesEnemy; boomop1; FlyLow
Maybe we can save the institution of marriage by allowing polygamy and concubinisim? Can't get more traditional and biblical then that... :)
7 posted on 02/18/2004 10:44:11 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: boomop1
The homosexual lobby wouldn't exist with out the support of the homosexual controlled NY Slimes, and the rest of the enabling media and government schools.

They can't reproduce. They need other peoples children to increase their numbers. The more they can indoctrinate, the more political power they gain.
The children are not only political prey for homosexuals , they make great sex toys for them, too.

8 posted on 02/18/2004 10:45:52 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: All
One problem is that SF mayor and judge should be in jail.
It is illegal for gays to marry each other and those individuals are neglecting their constitutional duties.
9 posted on 02/18/2004 10:45:54 AM PST by genghis
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To: Destro
May work for some, I have enough to deal with one but then she is the 3rd one. But maybe your right I am always ready but am not always received with glee, must be that senior moment thing.
10 posted on 02/18/2004 10:52:44 AM PST by boomop1
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To: Destro
Maybe we can save the institution of marriage by allowing polygamy and concubinisim? Can't get more traditional and biblical then that... :)

At least they're between man and woman, not man/dog, woman/ snake, environmentalist/ tree knots, man/man, woman/woman. It's not an unnatural sex fetish. It's a natural drive.
One honorable thing about those two groups. They're not demanding we accept them, they're not threatening us litigation for not obeying them, and they're not in schools teaching their lifestyles to the children.
And they don't kill each other with diseases the tax payers have to bust their butts to pay for.
They're much more normal than homosexuals, and I have more respect for them, even though I don't agree with them. At least they fit in with nature. At least other life forms on the planet engage in the same behavior, where you can't say the same about queers. They're freaks of nature.

11 posted on 02/18/2004 10:55:59 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: genghis
Yeah...that's one point he seemed to miss: They are ignoring laws that the American family has supported. When you get to that point, it's more than just the American families fault.
12 posted on 02/18/2004 10:57:15 AM PST by cwb (Kerry may have saved one man but he abandoned thousands of others)
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To: FlyLow
I see what your saying, but most of America's decline and problems has been due to Judicial fiat that attacks all our institutions and forces the atheist governments own relgion and morals on the unwilling masses.
13 posted on 02/18/2004 10:59:07 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: concerned about politics
Relax-it was a joke.
14 posted on 02/18/2004 10:59:22 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: boomop1
Too late to save Henry VIII's wives. :)
15 posted on 02/18/2004 11:00:14 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: FlyLow
the homosexuals are just "useful idiots" of the left. They are being used to push the ALI model divorce laws. Laws where a total stranger can claim rights to your children.

We need a conservative reformation of divorce law. (save the unworkable outlawing of divorce.) I would ask for one simple revision. Make fault part of equitable distribution. Eliminate community property, make it all equitable. Keep no fault so those who want out can get out, however non more cashout value of marriage for thieves and cheats (all forms of cheats).

Perhaps if woman (and men) realized that infidelity will result in loosing residential custody then that will be a clarifying issue.

Just a start. The ALI is an arm of the ABA. They need to be balanced because legislators have no other model laws to work off of. If you want legislators to act responsibly then you have to give them the tools.
16 posted on 02/18/2004 11:01:41 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: FlyLow
And the family is failing because individuals believe they have a right to be happy which trumps the obligation to keep promises.

It all started with Abelard.

17 posted on 02/18/2004 11:02:45 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: FlyLow
This needs a barf alert. What a steaming pile of ad hominem and flawed logic.
18 posted on 02/18/2004 11:06:51 AM PST by WOSG
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To: Destro
Relax-it was a joke.

It's true, you know. There's not one species of plant or animal on the entire planet that's homosexual.
If they even try it, they die off or get killed by the herd, flock, pack, etc. Nature will not allow them to live.
It's a wonder the envionmentalists aren't on our side on this issue.

19 posted on 02/18/2004 11:07:00 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Taliesan
And the family is failing because individuals believe they have a right to be happy which trumps the obligation to keep promises.

NOW has taken the mother out of the home. Now, she has two jobs. 8 hours at work , and the rest of the time as mother. Because NOW told her men are evil rapists, they have to do it alone.
If by chance the man is around, his job is to cater to her demands, because she's too tired to cater to his needs. If he doesn't obey her, he's worthless.

The "village" is raising the children now. They're becoming wild animals. There's no one around to teach them what love and self accountability is. They're political toys for the NEA, ALF, ELF, GLADD. They're easy prey to induct into a life of hell.

20 posted on 02/18/2004 11:13:20 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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Considering we have folks in the counterterrorism department of the FBI cheering about 9/11, and those folks have been promoted, I have to wonder how far the infiltration has occurred
When Christian leaders point out the Christian hypocricy, these leaders take a lot of flak from fellow Christians.
Barna Continues to Defend Survey Showing Divorce Rates Among Christians

The Barna Research Firm is defending a recent survey which found some disturbing statistics regarding born-again Christians and divorce.  The survey found that born-again Christians were just as likely as non-believers to divorce.  In fact,the survey found that the divorce rate is higher for Christians when compared with non-believers.

Dave Kinnamon, who is with the Barna organization, says when it comes to the attitudes of Christians and non-Christians regarding marriage, there is not much difference.

"Born-again Christians don't seem to be very different when it comes to their attitudes about marriage," Kinnamon says.  "If you look at their perspectives about what they hope to get in a marital relationship, about what level of sacrifice it takes...about whether divorce is an option they would realistically consider, their perspectives about marriage and about divorce are very similar to non-Christians."

Kinnamon believes part of the problem lies with churches and their reluctance to speak out against divorce.

"I think a lot of churches have failed to make a 'full court press' in defending marriages," he says.  "They've done everything they think they can, but I don't know that they've developed a holistic strategy about how to prepare people for marriage appropriately before they get married, how to support marriages when things are going good, and how to bolster marriages that are 'on the rocks.'"

Kinnamon says he was surprised at the harsh criticism of the survey from born-again believers.  Officials at Barna say they stand by the survey's results.
Jesus said that by our fruits we will be known.

The fruits of the American Church are not very Christian-like. Rampant use of controversial contraceptives, widespread premarital sex, high rates of divorce and even plenty of abortions.

How can we claim that Christ has had a positive influence on our lives as a group?

21 posted on 02/18/2004 11:16:12 AM PST by george wythe
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To: FlyLow
NEW YORK GAY RIGHTS BILL
TARGETS SCHOOLS
A recent press release from the National Non-Sectarian Council of Pro-Family Activists addressed New York's pro-gay "Dignity for All Students Act," officially known as State Assembly Bill A1118. According to Council director David Eidensohn, the proposed bill would have far-reaching effects.

The bill, if enacted, would place into New York schools state issued teaching materials (including textbooks) that would present such things as homosexuality and cross-dressing as normal, acceptable behavior. It would also label those who disagree with this opinion as bigoted and intolerant.

And not only would pubic schools be affected; this material would also be required teaching in the state's religious schools, conflicting with the moral and theological doctrines taught in Jewish and Christian parochial schools.

"The Bill is called 'Dignity for All Students' but does not teach dignity for religious students," said Eidensohn, who is a rabbi. He maintained that the bill would "replace discrimination against gays with discrimination against biblical and traditional family people."

The bill itself is in five sections, the ones of interest to the Council being sections two and three. Section two, which adds text to a previously enacted gay rights bill, contains an exemption for religious schools, while section three does not.

The urgency, according to Rabbi Eidensohn, is due to the fact that section three includes the requirement for all schools in New York State to teach "civility" in terms of gay rights and respecting cross dressers. With religious schools not exempt from the requirement, any parochial institution that chose not to teach the pro-homosexual, pro-transvestite material, would be violating the law.

Furthermore, parents whose children attend a school deemed in violation of the law could be arrested for encouraging truancy. As even the bill's sponsors admit that the vaguely worded religious exemptions would not survive a court challenge and, so are essentially useless, the dilemma for schools and parents is obvious.

"The...traditional family community is hiding its head in [the] sand," said Rabbi Eidensohn. "Surely, people think, this can't be for real. Nobody is going to demonize or criminalize [the] traditional family... but this is exactly what gay rights bills are doing. The gay lobby thrives," he continued "on the ignorance of the masses."
22 posted on 02/18/2004 11:16:24 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: concerned about politics
They're not demanding we accept them, they're not threatening us litigation for not obeying them, and they're not in schools teaching their lifestyles to the children.

You're joking, right? Do you live in a town with a population over 150?

23 posted on 02/18/2004 11:18:28 AM PST by grellis (Che cosa ha mangiato?)
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To: FlyLow
The World According to PFLAG: Why PFLAG and Children Don't Mix
By Linda Harvey

(Reprinted by permission from "Choice 4 Truth," www.choice4truth.com)

An examination of the values of PFLAG (Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays), a national group promoting the acceptance of "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered" lifestyles for children and teens.

December, 2002 -- PFLAG is active on a local and national level attempting to infuse its radical ideas into schools, churches, youth organizations and into national and state public policy. There is growing support for the work of this organization, which is being received cordially by some schools and even corporations.

Yet behind its rhetoric of "rights" and "tolerance" is the sordid reality of what PFLAG actually supports. As their recommended literature reveals, the world according to PFLAG would encourage children to be self-indulgent and self-centered; to reject the wisdom of parents and other authorities if they wish, even at early ages; and to engage in just about any sexual behavior imaginable.

In this literature, there is even implied approval of sexual contact between adults with minors. It's a frequent, usually "positive" theme in many resources recommended by PFLAG. For a complete listing of these resources, consult the group's publications on its web site at www.pflag.org.

Warning: Graphic sexual content follows. The following are just a small sample of the situations, opinions and themes depicted in the PFLAG brochures and in books PFLAG recommends as "resources." The passages included here are mild compared to the obscene, self-destructive, abusive, and just plain weird material that predominates. The sheer volume is grounds, we believe, for preventing this group from having any contact with minor children; nor should its ideas be adopted by teachers, counselors and parents. There is a dire need to expose this organization's roots. Schools and organizations that utilize PFLAG materials, list its web site or other contact points as resources, or allow PFLAG representatives to speak to children or other groups may find themselves ultimately exposed to criminal liability.

1. PFLAG's recommended literature encourages in sexual license for people of all ages. For children, this means that virtually any sexual activity as well as exposure to graphic sexual images and material, is not just permissible, but good for children, as part of the process of discovering their sexuality.

"I've been doing drag for about ten years, on and off....my fantasies were all about whipping. I started reading up on S/M, and it was making me interested in sex for the first time...I realized that, for what I was doing, I could be getting good money." (Interview with Minal, a young man who is a cross-dresser and works as a prostitute specializing in sado-masochism, in Revolutionary Voices, Ed. Amy Sonnie, Alyson Books, 2000, pp.171-172. Book recommended for youth by PFLAG in its brochure, "Be Yourself").

"...From a convenience store in a town thirty miles away that sold liquor to underage customers as well as porn paperbacks, I acquired a copy of a novel called Pretty Boys Must Die. It satisfied my curiosity about what homosexuals did....I was excited out of my mind....I also knew that somewhere out there, beyond Amethyst, someone had to be doing something remotely like what leather hustler Riley Jacks did to naïve young David (the "Pretty Boy")....I was ready.....But I had to wait. ...I gorged on new porn when I could get it...I was content to read for hours, and masturbate for hours..." (A man reminiscing about his youth, from Growing Up Gay/Growing Up Lesbian, ed. Bennett Singer, New Press, 1994, p.53. This book is part of recommended reading by PFLAG in its brochure for parents, "Our Daughters & Sons.")

"Except for her Adam's apple, it was hard to tell Christina was really a young male from the Philippines...My days were spent as a man and my nights as a woman...Christina introduced me to Breezy. She had started taking hormones when she was in her teens...During our physical lovemaking, Breezy was able to express her female and male energies at the same time...I was sad that our affair lasted only four days." (Memoir of transgendered youth Shu Wei Chen/ Andy, pp.179-180, in Bi Any Other Name, ed. Loraine Hutchins & Lani Kaahumanu, Alyson Books, 1991. Recommended in the PFLAG Bisexuality Resource Packet and in the PFLAG brochure for parents.)

In the novel Rainbow Boys (Alex Sanchez, Simon & Schuster, 2001), three 17-year old boys explore their homosexual attractions. Frequent themes include obtaining pornographic magazines (p.51) and movies (p.88), as well as graphic descriptions of masturbation (pp.51-52, 70, 89). The book features several scenes of explicit heterosexual sex, and a scene where one of the teen boys has anal intercourse without a condom with a 29-year-old man he has just met via the Internet (p.148). This boy's mom is an officer of the local PFLAG chapter, and comes and goes to meetings throughout the book. Rainbow Boys is recommended by PFLAG in its brochure for youth, "Be Yourself."

"...I met this guy named Reggie, who was twenty-three. I met him hanging out in the subway station....He spent the night with me a few times..." (Memoir from 'D.B.', a 15 year-old runaway and school drop-out, in Two Teenagers in Twenty, Ed. Ann Heron, Alyson Books,1994, page 81. Book recommended by PFLAG in its brochure for youth.)

"By age twelve, I had become a porn aficionado, since the couple for whom I babysat and my older brother kept copies of the magazines around. I must say that I came in touch with my bisexuality, or my bisexual feelings, through men's pornography." (Lucy Friedland in Bi Any Other Name [cited above], p.292.)

"Well, I'm politically radical...And I'm also sexually radical. I support all people's rights, all lifestyles that are consensual and not coercive. I have many friends in the S & M community and in the transsexual and transvestite communities...I'm a prostitute's rights advocate..." (Marcy Sheiner, Bi Any Other Name [cited above], p.206.)

"I am a triracial, First Nation, Two-Spirit Fairy Trans Faggot activist...I am committed to unleashing Out/rage/us Acts of Delightful Revolution." (Qwo-Li Driskill, age 22, in Revolutionary Voices [cited above], p.198.)

"'My first experience was with a much older man, a friend of Derek's [his dad]...When I was fifteen, he must have been twenty-nine, thirty...I seduced him...It was a wild night. We did everything.'" (Young man, Eliot, telling about earlier experiences in a story excerpted in Growing Up Gay/Growing Up Lesbian [cited above], p.111.)


2. "Coming out" (calling oneself homosexual or cross-dressing) at a very young age, and even beginning early homosexual sex practices, is a desirable goal in the world according to PFLAG.

"I first began to come out when I was 11. In terms of my family, I was fortunate because my parents have always been accepting of my sexual identity....So at the age of 12 I came out to my entire elementary school, which included grades K-8." (Fifteen-year-old girl writing in Revolutionary Voices, ed. By Amy Sonnie, Alyson Books, 2000, pp.43-44. Recommended for youth in PFLAG's brochure, "Be Yourself.")

"My name is Nicole, and I'm a lesbian. I'm twelve years old." (From Two Teenagers in Twenty, [cited above], p.167.)

"Young people are just as capable of exploring or asserting their sexual identity as adults." (Author Mary L Gray, in In Your Face: Stories From the Lives of Queer Youth, Harrington Park Press,1999, p.23. Book recommended by PFLAG in both its youth and parent brochures.)

"Last summer, I finally came to grips with the fact that I was gay. I had been having sex with a man since I was fourteen, but I thought it was just a phase..." (Mike Friedman, age 17, in Two Teenagers in Twenty [cited above], p.134.)

PFLAG strongly supports "transgendered" behaviors (being a transvestite or having a sex change through hormones or surgery). This includes supporting young children in their rights to dress, and to believe they are, the opposite sex. See the PFLAG brochure, "Our Trans Children," available for order on the PFLAG web site, www.pflag.org.

" I identify as bisexual, and have since I was about six or seven...I sort of experimented when I was young." (Eriq Chang, writing in In Your Face: Stories From the Lives of Queer Youth [as cited above], p.32.)

"I used to go down in the cellar with other boys...I have a twin brother, Chad, who is also gay...When I was seventeen, I came out to my brother and his lover...They were in bed, and I just came in and blurted it all out...I'd been very sexually active since I was twelve." (Kyle Dale Bynion, age 18, writing in Two Teenagers in Twenty, pp.16-17 [cited above]).


3. Bisexuality, fluid sexuality and sexual experimentation is encouraged by PFLAG. The group believes it's important for all students to learn about these options.

"At some point, almost everybody gets a 'crush' on someone of the same sex...One or two sexual experiences with someone of the same sex may not mean you're gay, either--just as one or two sexual experiences with someone of the opposite sex may not mean you're straight...many straight people have same-sex sexual experiences.....Dr. Alfred Kinsey, the world's best-known sex researcher, concluded from his research that almost nobody is purely straight or gay..." (From PFLAG brochure for youth, "Be Yourself", p.5).

"Although it's common to feel more strongly attracted to one sex or the other, many people feel at least some amount of attraction for both sexes. Alfred Kinsey, the famous researcher of sexual behavior, found that our attractions and our sexual behaviors are seldom absolute..." (Passage continues to describe the Kinsey Scale, a 0 through 6 continuum from heterosexual to homosexual, that discredited researcher Kinsey used to describe "fluid" sexuality. In Free Your Mind: The Book for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Youth and Their Allies, Ellen Bass & Kate Kaufman, HarperPerennial, 1996, pp.6-7. Recommended by PFLAG in both its youth and parent brochures.)

"My sexuality is as fluid, infinite, undefinable, and ever-changing as the north-flowing river...Sexuality is not black or white...it is gray...I know that defining myself is not so simple..." (T. Rowan, 16, in Revolutionary Voices [cited above], p.167.)

"'...You never wanted to, like, do it with a girl?' 'No, I guess I'm a Kinsey six.'" (Two boys discuss the Kinsey scale in the novel Rainbow Boys [cited above], p.95.)

"Last night, I told my friend Leslie that I am gay--after I had sex with her...." (From a homosexual man's diary of his youth, in Growing Up Gay/Growing Up Lesbian, [cited above], pp.80-81.)

"For gay liberation to have any value for youth, people must be reminded, preferably in fifth- or sixth-grade sex education classes, that gay is not only good, but probably a part of most sexual make-ups." (Bill Andriette, age 16, in Two Teenagers in Twenty, [cited above], p.171.)

"Humans are diverse, and individual sexual feelings and behavior change over time....Bisexuality threatens the accepted way of looking at the world by calling into question the validity of rigid sexual categories, and encourages acknowledgement of the existence of a diverse range of sexuality... It is important to have the freedom to choose the type of sexual and affectional relationships that are right for the people involved, whatever their sexual orientation." (PFLAG Bisexuality Resource Packet, pages 4-5.)

"I think the first time I thought about being bi or questioned my sexuality was when, under the influence, I kissed a girl. I would have been thirteen...I was really heavily into drugs and stuff like that..." (Paige, age 18, in In Your Face: Stories from the Lives of Queer Youth [cited above], p.42.)

"No one knows exactly how human sexual orientation--gay or straight--is determined." (From PFLAG youth brochure, "Be Yourself")


4. Meeting with other "gay" and "questioning" youth, usually without parental knowledge, is a frequent theme in PFLAG materials. At these community meetings, thirteen-year-olds will come into contact with college-age youth and adults practicing homosexuality.

"The night I got back from my first support group meeting, I lied to my mother about where I'd been. And I was horrible at lying because I had a good relationship with my mother..." (Dawn, age 17, in In Your Face: Stories From the Lives of Queer Youth, [cited above], p.50.)

"...I finally got up the courage to attend a meeting of PRYSM. PRYSM is a sort of support group for lesbians and gays aged twenty-two and under....That meeting was the catalyst for my new life as a lesbian...My mother is the last person I would tell...." (Robin, age 16, in Two Teenagers in Twenty [cited above], pp.131-132.)

"Jason Carillo walked around the block a third time, working up his courage to go into the brownstone....He'd read about the group for teens in his school newspaper...." (Opening scene of novel Rainbow Boys, which is about three boys who meet at a "gay" youth meeting. Cited above, p.1)

"I came out when I was fifteen. I started going to a gay youth group at the MCC church. I found an incredible amount of support there..." (Aimee Anderson, 17, in Two Teenagers in Twenty [cited above], p.50.)

"I was in sixth grade and attending a Catholic school in San Francisco when I came out to a small group of people...During this time I started attending LYRIC, the Lavender Youth Recreation and Information Center, a wonderful program and hang-out space for LGBT youth in San Francisco....The next year I was in seventh grade..." (Gina De Vries, age 15, in Revolutionary Voices [cited above], p.43)

"...I joined this youth group called Positive Images; it's the Sonoma County gay/lesbian/bisexual youth group. I got a boyfriend instantly; he picked me up right away, right when I joined the group. He was older; he was twenty-five, I was sixteen...." (Todd Fay-Long, age 17, from In Your Face: Stories from the Lives of Queer Youth [cited above], p.58.)

"Slowly but surely, I came out to my priest. I was in shock when he said, 'That's fine...' He was the most supportive person I've ever met....My priest told me about this support group in Boston where there are a lot of kids like me...I'll never forget that first day at the Boston Alliance of Gay and Lesbian Youth (BAGLY)..." (Troix Reginald Bettencourt, age 18, Lowell, Massachusetts, looking back on his high school days, in Two Teenagers in Twenty [cited above], pp.158-159.)


5. PFLAG spreads false information about the Bible, religious faith, and restoration of heterosexuality through faith. This misinformation closes the door of change for many young people, and stirs up anti-Christian and anti-Jewish bias and hostility.

"In fact, the Bible says very little about homosexuality. Amidst the hundreds of thousands of other teachings, responsibilities, laws and prohibitions, there are only a handful of statements that might possibly apply to sex between men--and none that address lesbian sexuality." (Erroneous claim that ignores Romans 1:26 and many clear passages prohibiting homosexuality, from Free Your Mind: The Book for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Youth--and Their Allies [cited above], p.279.)

"We were observant Jews--conservative...We were aware that ...the Old Testament prohibited ..gay relationships...However, we didn't have a problem reconciling these views because our kids always come first." (From PFLAG brochure, Faith in Our Families, p.2).

"My parents found out I was a lesbian and sent me to a psychologist to be 'cured.' I am presently being cured, not of my sexual orientation, but of the way I accepted my parents' every word as gospel." (Joanne, age 18, in Two Teenagers in Twenty, [cited above], p.42)

"Later that week, Kyle arrived home from school to find his mom standing in the center of his bedroom...She barraged him with questions like, Should she have done something different bringing him up? or, What about the ex-gay groups that claimed homosexuals could change? 'Mom,' he said, frustrated. 'You didn't do anything wrong and I can't change. Those groups are full of fakes...'" (From novel Rainbow Boys, [cited above] p.103.)
24 posted on 02/18/2004 11:18:34 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Destro
Maybe we can save the institution of marriage by allowing polygamy and concubinisim?

Nah...Can’t afford it. Not a bad idea, though. I guess I'll just go fishing instead.

25 posted on 02/18/2004 11:19:38 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (One sword, at least, thy right shall guard, One faithful harp shall praise thee!)
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To: concerned about politics
Oh, oops...sorry! I tought you were referring to homosexuals and their lobby as honorable. Sheesh me!
26 posted on 02/18/2004 11:20:30 AM PST by grellis (Che cosa ha mangiato?)
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To: george wythe
Barna Continues to Defend Survey Showing Divorce Rates Among Christians

Many claim to be Christians ,yet support earth worship, infant sacrifice, and abominations.
There's an apostate church in the world today. The variable is whether the poll was done on apostates, or real Christians.
Even the homosexual pedophile priest claimed to be Christians, so what's that tell you?

27 posted on 02/18/2004 11:21:51 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: FlyLow
GLSEN and Its Influence on Children
Reprinted by permission of Mission America.
Adapted from the original article
at www.missionamerica.com/agenda26.html.

By Linda Harvey

Author Linda Harvey described the ongoing work of P-FLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) in another article, "The World According to PFLAG," posted on the NARTH web site in the "Parenting and Family Issues" section. In that earlier article, Ms. Harvey detailed P-FLAG's recommendation of books to teenagers that promote obscenity and underage sexual activity. Here, Ms. Harvey takes a look at another gay organization: GLSEN.


The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network--known as GLSEN--is a rapidly growing and well-funded pro-homosexual organization. Using the schools as its primary platform, GLSEN conveys its message of cultural change through a web site, books and curricular material, teacher-training workshops, and in after-school homosexual clubs for students.

There is growing support for this organization's cause, as demonstrated by its newly publicized ties with many educators on the local level, and some very powerful national allies including the National Education Association.

Behind its promotion of "tolerance" and "safety," however, are the sordid realities of what GLSEN actually supports. Just about every type of sexual practice imaginable is "celebrated" and even graphically described in first-person stories by students in GLSEN's recommended literature. GLSEN also supports gender distortion through cross-dressing, even in books recommended for elementary school children.

Criminal, underage sexual contact between adults and minors is a frequent, casual theme in these materials. For listings of these resources, consult the group's web site at www.glsen.org .

Warning: Graphic sexual content follows. The following are just a small sample of the situations, opinions and themes depicted in the books GLSEN recommends as "resources" in its materials and on its web site. However, these selected examples are representative of the whole.

1. GLSEN's recommended literature implies the early sexualization of children can be beneficial. This means that virtually any consensual sexual activity, as well as exposure to graphic sexual images and material, is permissible as part of the process of discovering one's sexuality. Example:

"I released his arms. They glided around my neck, pulling my head down to his. I stretched full length on top of him, our heads touching. Our heavy breathing from the struggle gradually subsided. I felt --"

...and then follows a graphic description (unprintable here) of a homosexual encounter between two ten-year-old boys who are playmates, in a childhood recollection by Malcolm Boyd, an Episcopal priest, in Growing Up Gay/ Growing Up Lesbian, ed. Bennett Singer, New Press, 1994, p.100. This book is recommended by GLSEN for 7-12th grade students.

The president and founder of GLSEN, Kevin Jennings, wrote the foreword for a book for educators called Queering Elementary Education (William J. Letts IV and James T. Sears, eds., Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 1999.) One chapter is written by a woman who says she and her male partner have raised their daughter "queerly." She then goes on to describe Stephanie's attendance at several "gay" pride parades by the time she is eight.

Stephanie already has a detailed familiarity with her own female genitalia "because it gives her pleasure when she masturbates." And the mother describes one incident where she and her daughter, while observing a group of twelve- year-olds, decide they are both attracted to the same girl. (pp. 71-81)

From another book, in a story describing a boyhood sexual encounter:

"One day, on the bus to shop class, this ugly f--k of a man sat behind me....he managed to get me to follow him to a nearby restroom... [a graphic description of homosexual sex follows]... I spent a good deal of time locked in the stall, trying to clean up.... This incident should have soured me on men, but it only made me more confused and needful... The whole world of restroom sex had opened itself up to me..."

(From Queer 13: Lesbian and Gay Writers Recall Seventh Grade, Clifford Chase, ed., Rob Weisbach Books,1998, pp.43-44. Book recommended by GLSEN for adults, presumably including teachers.)

Some rather unorthodox advice is also given in the book Queer Kids: The Challenges and Promise for Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Youth ( Robert E. Owens, Jr., Ph.D., Harrington Park Press, 1998). These tips are for the "special" needs of homosexual youth who are runaways or have been kicked out of their homes, and therefore live in group homes. Teen sexual behavior is implied to be fine in these group homes, as long as it is consensual:

"Agency policies must recognize the sexual behavior of adolescents... Residential facilities should distinguish clearly between normal, healthy; and harmful, exploitative, sexual behavior regardless of the gender or orientation of the youths involved.... Within Child Protective Services Guidelines, youths should be allowed privacy and dignity regarding sexuality." (pp.157-158)

The above book is recommended for adults on the GLSEN web site.

2. "Coming out" (calling oneself homosexual) and beginning homosexual sex practices at a young age, is a normal and positive experience for youth which should be encouraged by teachers and parents, according to GLSEN:

"Despite my best efforts, someday the artifice of 'normality' had to fall away. It did, early one Sunday afternoon when I was twelve. My cousin was sixteen." The author then recounts his homosexual activities with his cousin. In Queer 13: Lesbian and Gay Writers Recall Seventh Grade [cited above], pp.86-87.

"I am a fifteen year-old dyke artist and activist. I've got flaming pink hair and a passion for gender-f--ing in both directions." (Young girl writing in Revolutionary Voices: A Multicultural Queer Youth Anthology, p.28).

Then Kevin Jennings, a former teacher and the current president of GLSEN, describes his interaction with a male student, in One Teacher in Ten: Gay and Lesbian Educators Tell Their Stories (Kevin Jennings, ed., Alyson Publications, 1994, p.25):

"Toward the end of my first year, during the spring of 1988, Brewster appeared in my office...'Brewster has something he needs to talk with you about,' [a student accompanying the boy] intoned ominously....On a hunch, I suddenly asked, 'What's his name?' Brewster's eyes widened briefly, and then out spilled a story about his involvement with an older man he had met in Boston. I listened, sympathized, offered advice. He left my office with a smile on his face...."

3. Bisexuality, "fluid" sexuality and sexual experimentation is encouraged by GLSEN as a right for all students:

"Curtis flops over the side of his bed and looks underneath....he browses his modest library of soft to medium-core pornography....Image upon image, man upon woman...Upon woman...Upon man...Curtis swims in a sea of bodies..."

There follows a very graphic story of masturbation, fantasy and actual sex in this tale about a teen boy who, after viewing homosexual porn, has homosexual fantasies and believes he's gay. His girlfriend, with whom he has been having sex, convinces him otherwise after he visits her in her bedroom. She confesses that she likes lesbian pornography, and his arousal results in their sexual encounter.

("The Cure for Curtis" in Love & Sex: Ten Stories of Truth [cited above], pp.109-126. Book recommended by GLSEN for students in grades 7-12.

Another book describes a group-sex encounter between a girl and two homosexual men (p.37) which occurs in the novel Weetzie Bat, part of a collection of several books, Dangerous Angels, by Francesca Block (Harper Collins Publishers, 1998). The heroine, Weetzie Bat, is trying to get pregnant, and turns to her two gay housemates when her live-in boyfriend doesn't want a child. A child is conceived by this teen girl and one of the three men. Dangerous Angels is recommended by GLSEN for students in grades 7-12:

"Weetzie changed into her lace negligee from Trashy Lingerie and went into Dirk and Duck's room and climbed into bed between Dirk and Duck....And that was how Weetzie and Dirk and Duck made the baby--well, at least that was how it began, and no one could be sure if that was really the night...."

In a lesson plan for students in middle school and up ("Bisexual Basics," manual published by GLSEN for educators entitled, "Tackling Gay Issues in School: A Resource Module" by Leif Mitchell. Co-sponsored by GLSEN, 1999, Planned Parenthood of Connecticut and Leif Mitchell, p.78), we read:

"Each of us should have the freedom to explore our sexual orientation and find our own unique expression of lesbian, bisexual, gay, straight, or any combination of these."

4. Meeting other "gay" and "questioning" youth, sometimes without parental knowledge, is a frequent theme in GLSEN materials. At these meetings, minors will come into contact with college-age people and adults practicing homosexuality.

5. In GLSEN material, the "cool" adults--parents, teachers and counselors--are those who encourage students to embrace homosexuality and cross-dressing. These "cool" adults also permit adult-level freedoms and let children associate with questionable teens or adults. For example:

'The first time I said anything, I was fourteen. I told this social worker. I told him I had feelings for women....He was really cool. He ran around giving me all this information and he gave me the number for the gay and lesbian center. He helped me a lot. He opened the door.'"

(From Free Your Mind: The Book for Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Youth--and Their Allies, p. 35).

"I first met Danny in my seventh year of teaching....I said I was planning to go to Santa Monica Boulevard to watch the [gay] ' parade'...Suddenly Danny said, 'Take me along!'...We made plans and waited for the day....I took Danny to dinner at a nice, gay café. We made quite an entrance with Danny looking all of fifteen and I looking all of thirty-one...."

(Gay, HIV-positive teacher Gary Dowd writing about his mentoring relationship with one of his "sexually questioning" students in One Teacher In Ten: Gay and Lesbian Educators Tell Their Stories, pp. 65-67.)

6. GLSEN resources contain many hostile, one-sided, anti-Christian vignettes and opinions, as well as misleading information about Christianity and the biblical position on homosexuality:

"In fact, the Bible says very little about homosexuality. Amidst the hundreds of thousands of other teachings, responsibilities, laws and prohibitions, there are only a handful of statements that might possibly apply to sex between men--and none that address lesbian sexuality."

(--From Free Your Mind: The Book for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Youth-and Their Allies, p. 279.)

"'God will punish you!' was my mother's favorite saying to me.... I remember going to Sunday school at a very early age--it was a 'must.' Sunday school can be heavy for a child....If you do anything that isn't right, you are terrified you'll be struck by lightning or go to hell...."

(From the recollections of a girl named 'Whitey,' who ran away from home at age thirteen to Greenwich Village, in Growing Up Gay/Growing Up Lesbian, pp.44-45)

7. The spirituality that is presented positively in GLSEN resources is not traditional religion, but witchcraft, goddess worship, and the occult:

"The creature came into the light. It had thin, pale, slightly bluish skin....'Who are you?' La felt a slice of fear, remembering her mother's tub of blood. Had her mother seen this creature? Had this been the demon who told her mother to cut herself?"

(--From the story "Blue" in Girl Goddess #9, Francesca Block, Harper Trophy, 1996, p.17. Recommended by GLSEN for students in grades 7-12)

"...What I really noticed was his aura....'One day you can be like me,' he whispered...'You saw how that girl looked at me? I'm going to have her tonight. I can get any woman I like--or any man, if I was that way inclined.....You know why? Because I was born with The Power. Power over things seen and unseen, power over folk and field, power over wind and water....You've got to keep it charged up. You've got to use it, boy! You have to feed The Power!'"

(--Love & Sex: Ten Stories of Truth, p.46,48. Recommended by GLSEN for students in grades 7-12)

"Alex...did his astrology bit. He was a believer like a lot of actors: superstitious, fascinated by the occult. "

(--Hello, I Lied, by M.E.Kerr, pp.70-71. Recommended by GLSEN for students in grades 7-12)

Because of its potential for the corruption of minors, it is our opinion that GLSEN staff and volunteers should not be permitted to have any contact with children. Schools and organizations that utilize GLSEN materials, list its web site or other contact points as resources, or allow GLSEN representatives to address students or educators may find themselves ultimately exposed to criminal liability for corruption of minors or for facilitating contacts that lead to child sexual abuse.

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28 posted on 02/18/2004 11:22:33 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: FlyLow
I'de much rather blame the gay lobby.
29 posted on 02/18/2004 11:23:31 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: FlyLow
The Bible Belt has a huge divorce rate, almost as bad as everywhere else.

Ahem. I think it's actually higher in the Bible Belt than in a lot of other places, particularly those with large Catholic populations.

30 posted on 02/18/2004 11:24:02 AM PST by independentmind
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To: concerned about politics
The variable is whether the poll was done on apostates, or real Christians.

The answer is in the article... born-again Christians.

31 posted on 02/18/2004 11:27:27 AM PST by george wythe
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To: concerned about politics
She left the home because it was more important to be happy than to keep her promises to her children.
32 posted on 02/18/2004 11:30:12 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: george wythe
Born-again Christians don't seem to be very different when it comes to their attitudes about marriage," Kinnamon says. "If you look at their perspectives about what they hope to get in a marital relationship, about what level of sacrifice it takes...about whether divorce is an option they would realistically consider, their perspectives about marriage and about divorce are very similar to non-Christians

As an evengelical Christian, this does not surprise me. It is impossible now to expect people to endure hardship to fulfill vows.

33 posted on 02/18/2004 11:33:56 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: independentmind
An example:
In "pro-family" Texas, the divorce rate is 4.1 per thousand people; and the percent of people unmarried is 32.4 percent. In "anti-family" Massachusetts, the divorce rate is 2.4 per thousand and the percent unmarried is 26.8 percent.
34 posted on 02/18/2004 11:34:11 AM PST by NC28203
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To: FlyLow

Culture War indeed Mr. Buchanan.

35 posted on 02/18/2004 11:37:03 AM PST by KantianBurke (Principles, not blind loyalty)
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To: grellis
You're joking, right? Do you live in a town with a population over 150?M

Where do you live? Babylon California?
Where are the polygamist teaching polygamy in our nations public schools? Where are they teaching them it's a right and here's how it's done? There's no mass indoctrination going on. They can have their own children, They don't need to corrupt everyone else's children to increase their numbers.

36 posted on 02/18/2004 11:42:57 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Jagdgewehr
Nah...Can’t afford it. Not a bad idea, though. I guess I'll just go fishing instead.

Why do men die before their wives? They want to.
Who needs 10 of them?

37 posted on 02/18/2004 11:45:49 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: philetus
They said all they wanted was tolerance. We gave it to them. They lied.
38 posted on 02/18/2004 11:48:09 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: concerned about politics
See post# 26...again, with my apologies.
39 posted on 02/18/2004 11:51:37 AM PST by grellis (Che cosa ha mangiato?)
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To: concerned about politics
Who needs 10 of them?

You raise an excellent point. So, I’m definitely going to go fishing. Maybe I can even get my (one) wife to pack my lunch.

40 posted on 02/18/2004 11:52:31 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (One sword, at least, thy right shall guard, One faithful harp shall praise thee!)
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To: StatesEnemy
Perhaps and some men take their chances and end up with a good marriage and a houseful of children and are happy they took the chance. I think it is important more than anything to find someone willing to work through things and hang in there since it certainly does get tough sometimes. Also important to find someone who cares for obligations and commitments and not just their fleeting "happiness" as many women quote so often. Too many men are willing to go with women who "just want to be happy" instead of pairing that up with women who also value and respect their commitments and obligations.
41 posted on 02/18/2004 11:53:29 AM PST by cupcakes
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To: FlyLow
Once we have strong families, the gay lobby will go tamely back to the closet.

You're dreaming, Rabbi. Next stop, mandatory homosexuality.

42 posted on 02/18/2004 11:53:35 AM PST by hattend
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To: Taliesan
Great minds and all that. I responded to someone else about the same thing as far as looking for something in a woman. Along the lines of it is more important to find a woman(or a man) who wants to meet their obligations and resonsibilities AND wants to be happy, not just someone who wants happiness in and of itself because then when the times get rough, what is there to keep them glued to the person they made a commitment too? Nothing, since they will fly like a feather if they aren't currently living their version of happy.
43 posted on 02/18/2004 11:59:59 AM PST by cupcakes
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To: concerned about politics
LOL--plenty of us gals are unwilling to share too--anything and everything from our husbands to our income. I'd rather hire a maid and a cook to help me out then have my husband take an extra wife;-) It would probably be cheaper in the long run anyway. Anyhoo, with taxes as they are, I think we are already supporting some WIC/welfare family somewhere as it is. Perhaps we should be getting that family's EITC?
44 posted on 02/18/2004 12:07:16 PM PST by cupcakes
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To: george wythe
The answer is in the article... born-again Christians.

By their fruits ye will know them.
(There goes that survey down the toilet).

45 posted on 02/18/2004 12:08:07 PM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: concerned about politics
BTW our joke around here about the EITC is it is missing some letters--should be the EIFP/TCTNP--Earned income from producers/tax credit to non producers
46 posted on 02/18/2004 12:10:43 PM PST by cupcakes
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To: george wythe
Fifty Percent of American Marriages Are Ending in Divorce-Fiction!

Summary of Rumor:

Marriage has deteriorated so much that half the marriages in the United States are failing. There is a 50 percent chance that your marriage will not make it.

The Truth:

This is a fascinating piece of misinformation that is so respected that it is quoted without attribution by some of the best authors, broadcasters, and writers.

Marriage is a lot of hard work and people who are putting that work into it don't need the discouraging and untrue burden hanging over their heads that their relationship has only a 50 percent chance of surviving.

The error has resulted from various misreadings of the statistics.

One is to compare the number of marriages in a given year to the number of divorces in a given year. It is true that in any given year there may be twice as many marriages as divorces. If, in your state or county, there were 100 marriages last year but 50 divorces, it would seem, at first glance, that half the marriages were ending in divorce. But that figure does not take into account all the marriages that already existed. In a year in which there were 100 marriages and 50 divorces, for example, there may have already been 1,000 other marriages that already existed. That's an entirely different picture and means that only 5 percent of the marriages ended in divorce, not fifty percent. Of course, if that continues to happen every year, there is going to be an impact on the overall number of divorces compared with the overall number of marriages.

Veteran pollster Louis Harris says that only about 11 or 12 percent of people who have ever been married have ever been divorced. That means that by his figuring, 90 percent of American marriages survive.

Researcher George Barna did a professional survey which was designed to reflect the nation as a whole. He found that 24 percent of adults who had ever been married had experienced divorce.

Regardless, there isn't any credible source that we've found to support the fifty percent divorce rate myth.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/divorce.htm

Is It Really 50 Percent? By Rich Buhler

It's been called America's most-often-cited statistic. It's so widely held to be true that it is repeated without question by authors, speakers, broadcasters, politicians, counselors and ministers.

Here are some examples from just a few Web sites on the Internet:

"Fifty percent of marriages will end in divorce." — An infidelity support group
"Fifty percent of all marriages now end in divorce." — Promotion for a book on divorce
"Fifty percent of all marriages in America end in divorce." — From the treasurer's office of a Midwestern state
"Over 50 percent of marriages end in divorce." — From a men's counseling center in California

Divorce is too common in America and that should not be taken lightly, but those who are committed to a lifetime of marriage don't need the discouragement accompanying the notion that half the marriages are going to self-destruct anyway.

I was once told by a young bride-to-be that she and her fiance had decided not to say "Till death do us part" in their wedding vows because the odds of it really happening were only 50-50.

Let me say it straightforwardly: Fifty percent of American marriages are not ending in divorce. It's fiction. A myth. A tragically discouraging urban legend.

If there's no credible evidence that half of American marriages will end up in divorce court, where did that belief originate?

Demographers say there was increased focus on divorce rates during the 1970s when the number of divorces rose, partly as a result of no-fault divorce. Divorces peaked in 1979 and articles started appearing that claimed 50 percent of American marriages were ending in divorce.

A spokesperson for the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics told me that the rumor appears to have originated from a misreading of the facts. It was true, he said, if you looked at all the marriages and divorces within a single year, you'd find that there were twice as many marriages as divorces. In 1981, for example, there were 2.4 million marriages and 1.2 million divorces. At first glance, that would seem like a 50-percent divorce rate.

Virtually none of those divorces was among the people who had married during that year, however, and the statistic failed to take into account the 54 million marriages that already existed, the majority of which would not see divorce.

Another source for the 50-percent figure could be those who were trying to predict the future of divorce. Based on known divorce records, they projected that 50 percent of newly married young people would divorce. University of Chicago sociologist and researcher Linda Waite told USA Today that the 50-percent divorce stats were based more on assumptions than facts.

So what is the divorce picture in America? Surprisingly, it's not easy to get precise figures because some states don't report divorces to the National Center for Health Statistics, including one of the largest: California.

Some researchers have relied on surveys rather than government statistics. In his book Inside America in 1984, pollster Louis Harris said that only about 11 or 12 percent of people who had ever been married had ever been divorced. Researcher George Barna's most recent survey of Americans in 2001 estimates that 34 percent of those who have ever been married have ever been divorced.

One of the latest reports about divorce was released this year by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). It is based on a 1995 federal study of nearly 11,000 women ages 15-44. It predicted that one-third of new marriages among younger people will end in divorce within 10 years and 43 percent within 15 years. That is not a death sentence, however; it's a forecast. Martha Farnsworth Riche, former head of the Census Bureau, told USA Today, "This is what is going to happen unless we want to change it."

Most important, the statistics and predictions about Americans in general don't tell the whole story about the future. There are other factors that affect a person's chances for a long marriage. The NCHS study of women, for example, shows that age makes a difference. Women marrying before age 20 face a higher risk for divorce. Marriages that have already lasted for a number of years are less likely to end in divorce. If your parents did not divorce, your chances are better than if you came from a broken home. Couples who live together before marriage are more likely to divorce.

http://www.family.org/married/youngcouples/a0021826.cfm

47 posted on 02/18/2004 12:28:04 PM PST by johnmorris886
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To: cupcakes
A newly arrived Republican appointee has pulled references to sexual orientation discrimination off an agency Internet site where government employees can learn about their rights in the workplace.

The Web pages at the Office of Special Counsel, an independent agency whose mission is to protect whistleblowers and other federal employees from retribution, has removed references to sexual orientation from a discrimination complaint form, training slides, a brochure titled "Your Rights as a Federal Employee" and other documents. (Washington post)

I guess the government sees the lawlessness in SF as a decalaration of civil war. LOL.

48 posted on 02/18/2004 12:28:04 PM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: johnmorris886
Researcher George Barna's most recent survey of Americans in 2001 estimates that 34 percent of those who have ever been married have ever been divorced.

Barna is probably right about this, as well as the fact the Christians divorce at the same rate as non-Christians.

49 posted on 02/18/2004 12:48:32 PM PST by george wythe
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To: FlyLow
I doubt this Rabbi is Orthodox.
50 posted on 02/18/2004 1:02:07 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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