The American Child After Same-Sex Marriage

CNSNEWS.com ^ | 2/18/04 | Linda Harvey

[kattracks]

Lesbian bride dolls. Fourth grade "gay" clubs. A king and king at the high school prom. Dating tips for same-sex teens. Bathroom ogling -- and sometimes quick encounters -- in the middle school boys' restroom.

These are just the first snapshots of the bizarre new world in store for American children if homosexual marriage is legalized.

Most of the major players who mold our youth have already endorsed homosexuality and even cross-dressing. The National Education Association, the nation's largest teachers' union, favors support for "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender" students and teachers, which translates into uncritical acceptance throughout the curriculum at your local school.

Ditto with the American Federation of Teachers, the American School Health Association, and the National Association of School Psychologists. The American Association of School Administrators is firmly on board, and the National School Boards Association featured a glowing article in a recent newsletter about the great benefits of "gay" clubs in schools.

The Big Brothers/Big Sisters, Girl Scouts, 4H and the Boys Clubs/Girls Clubs all have adopted policies against discrimination based on sexual orientation, as have most local public school districts in the United States.

Only the Boys Scouts have held off, and have dearly paid the price as homosexual pressure groups try to cut off their funding and bar them from meeting in schools. Once same-sex marriage is the law of the land, any group or school that does not support "equality" and full acceptance of homosexual behavior will be the targets of similar wrath - as well as defendants in lawsuits.

Once legal, these trendy new marriage "rights" are likely to trump any constitutional guarantees of free speech and religious liberty, and local parents who weren't paying attention will watch helplessly as their children are brainwashed - and seduced - into the new behaviors. The practice of bisexuality, currently popular among teens, will skyrocket.

The pro-homosexual agenda directed to children is under way now on a limited scale; all that prevents the tidal wave from sweeping over every child in our country is the official endorsement marriage would provide.

Groups like GLSEN (the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network) and PFLAG (Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) have helped start some 2,000 homosexual clubs in American schools. Most are at the high school level, with a few emerging in middle schools. GLSEN's goal is to establish clubs in as many elementary schools as possible using the rationale that these students, who they imply were probably born this way, need "support systems" to avoid harassment and discrimination.

Yet both GLSEN and PFLAG advocate book selections for youth that include positive portrayals of homosexual sex between boys, pornography use, cheating on a spouse with a homosexual lover, homosexual sex between underage youth and adults, and straight and "gay" experimentation by "uncertain" youth.

If homosexual marriage becomes equal to heterosexual unions, then equal opportunities for same-sex and opposite-sex socializing and dating must be made available to youth to avoid accusations of "discrimination." And so more experimentation - with approval by enlightened adults - can be expected to follow.

School literature will be adopted to reflect a positive view of the homosexual family as a future option for every child. Josh will learn that he can grow up and marry a girl or a boy. And since at age 6 he probably hasn't yet discovered his sexual "identity," the fair thing will be to present all angles to him in language, health, music and social studies.

The new wave of openly homosexual teachers, more than willing to fill any teacher shortages in order to interact with budding youth, are sure to help with this increased workload.

But the new paradigm won't dissolve at the schoolhouse door. Television and film, already dominated by sexual minority sympathizers, will introduce creative expressions of the new equality. Children's cartoons will present gender-bending super-heroes. Cross-dressers, feminized boys and masculine girls will appear regularly on Nickelodeon and popular sit-coms. Disney films are sure to be in front of this trend.

In the toy department, shoppers may find new "gay and lesbian" friends of Barbie and Ken, who will probably split up their long romance until group relationships for youth become the next inevitability.

And we could go on and on. The point is, with aggressive, well-funded homosexual activists already in key positions of influence in the media, education, academia and entertainment, "gay" marriage will be their turnkey to launch a brave new world for kids. Too bad so many of our children will have no choice but to live there.

(Linda Harvey is president of Mission America, which monitors the homosexual agenda directed toward youth.)

[expatguy]

The end is near.

[Starcutter]

I must agree with this article when it points out what may happen in our liberal public school system. With the mainstream media openly supporting the gay lifestyle and the schools more than willing to embrace it we are heading down a very slippery slope here. Our children are very impressionable and many will take to this kind of behavior just because it is seen as "in style". Others will embrace it because they have no parents teaching them different.

[stopem]

OMG. Hopefully President Bush will act on this today and put a stop to it all.

I doubt that what is stated in the article couldn't happen.
Shortly we will all be living in a cess pool.
Where is Falwell and Robertson when you need them?

There has to be some federal laws that can protect the general public and what about OUR rights as parents and the DOMA?

We all have RIGHTS to and they are infringing upon our heterosexual rights. Who will stand up for us?

I just wish that they would stop showing those disgusting and nauseating pictures on TV of man/man woman/woman kissing etc.
That has to be the most sickening c*ap on TV yet. So abnormal. No wonder it is an abomination to the Lord.

[Always Right]

And since at age 6 he probably hasn't yet discovered his sexual "identity," the fair thing will be to present all angles to him in language, health, music and social studies.

That's a fact the liberals know but will never admit, sexuality develops. It is an absolute lie to say that your sexual attractions are all genetic. Society and upbringing and personal experience play a key role in the development of a child's sexuality. Liberals have won this part of the gay debate, eventhough it is not true.

[garylmoore]

We will all have to resort to home schooling, which is what any decent person wanting to protect their children from all this exposure to perversion, should be thinking right now.

[DooDahhhh]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way : ).

[longtermmemmory]

bump

[GailA]

Just watch should hanoi john take the WH, activist judges will get MORE embolden and outlaw home schooling. This election is much more than about which party controls the WH, it's about which direction the soul of America goes.

2-3 Suprem Court judges will retire in the next couple of years. hanoi john will make sure they are pro-abortion and pro-usless nation plan on sexuality...which means anything is permissible, including the ilk of NAMBLA.

[DoughtyOne]

This article only touches on a part of the problems our kids will face. I don't think we have any concept of what we are about to see folks. Laugh it off at your family's risk.

While schools and the media sought to destroy whatever moral code this nation had, the fact was that as long as marriage was held to be only between a man and a woman, kids were led to beleive that was the only acceptable 'normal' course of action. Once homosexual union is recognized on an even par with heterosexual marriages, kids will be taught to see very little difference between them.

Once this takes place, the stigma that kept kids from experamenting same sex, will by and large be considered a figment of their partent's outmoded values system. The schools and the media reinforce this constantly.

I submit that people are not just 'born' into same sex lives. I submit that societal norms led boys to shun same-sex adventures because of the stigma such promescuity had associated with it. Without that societal stigma, bi-sexual (read that homosexual) experamentation would mean nothing more to kids than heterosexual experamentation would. We're just kidding ourselves if we think our kids won't be brainwashed into these types of experamentations and relationships. I can even see some of their sex education teachers suggesting, "Without experamentation, how do you know what is right for you?"

It will be open season on these kids as on-campus textbooks, teachers and homosexual clubs propagandize the kids, and implement outreach programs.

In the old days surveys were run that asked kids if they had heterosexual experiences at certain stages of their lives. Now we're going to see a skyrocketing of kids who have engaged in what heretofore would have been considered homosexual relations, by the time they leave highschool, or perhaps even middle school.

We have laughed off the MTV produced sexual and violence laden content for about two decades. Currently there are undertones of homosexual (bi-sexual) adventurism laced throughout the programming. Nothing is portrayed as more sexy these day's than to see two women going at it, on the television or the movies that are directed at our youth.

I would submit that the 1 to 2 percent of the populace that is truly inclined toward homosexuality, will mushroom to something like 10% of our society within ten to twenty years, with as much as 50 to 75% of our youth answering yes to questions of homosexual experamentation by the time they have left high school. It will be sold as 'bi-sexuality, something that is as normal in nature as heterosexuality.'

The time has come when I would not want to try to raise a decent moral child any longer. Parents haven't a snowball's chance in hell of staying the course against the full court press being mounted against them.

Someone higher up this thread said the end is near. If only it were so. I am convinced we are only seeing the beginning of the end. It's going to get very ugly folks.

[Maurice Tift]

Shortly we will all be living in a cess pool.


Yes, it's Kitchen Ken and Lesbian Wedding Barbie.

Oh, shoot. It's too late already.

[StatesEnemy]

The end is near.

Nahhhh... just the end of America.
We're simply being groomed for absorption into the One Worlder's vision.

[joesnuffy]

Twenty five years ago, I was witness to one of these lesbian "family" interactions in a Laundromat in Oshkosh, WI. (besides being home to the EAA and Oshkosh B'Gosh its a liberal state college town)

A young boy about 8yrs or so, his natural mother, and her butch partner were doing the family laundry.

Every time the dyke would tell the boy to do something the kid would promptly ignoring or defy her/him/it

I could not help but cheer (at least inwardly) for the young rebel...

Mom kept trying to tell her son that he must do what 'his dad' told him to...which just set the kid off even more in his defiance..

Finally they took him out to their van and he was forced to stay there while they finished their laundry...

I couldn't help but wonder what became of that boy....he would be in his 30s now....Imagine a society where we had majority population of adults raised as he was....(shouldn't be too difficult ..as we are nearly there)

If this boy continued on his path of righteous rebellion against an 'absurd' father figure...it's likely he would be the consummate rebel by the time he reached adulthood... If he reacted to all authority (as he did the dyke's), without a intervention miracle...he most likely ended up a career criminal..living in perpetual conflict with the law...and a problem for any community he settled in.

The child of that lesbian couple was doomed to fail....thanks to his pseudo family... A human's naturally tendency to rebel is multiplied arithmetically when raised in a climate of little legitimate parental authority let alone an illegitimate one..

imo

[Steel and Fire and Stone]

Obviously, if there is no moral or intellectual difference between marriage and sex between two men, two women, "transgendered" men and women, then what about younger men and older men. And then, when is "young" too young? If it's good for a young man to experiment with another boy, is it not wiser for him to be "mentored" on his journey.

This is not some homophobic rant. The fact is, the impetus in a relationship between a man and a woman has not, believe it or not, been a sexual destination. Not that sex was "bad", but that it was in fact both good and necessary for procreation (yes, that awful word).

I have some personal experience with gay men and women. The ultimate destination for most is not marriage, a family, and "home and hearth". It is personal fulfillment realized in sex, lots and lots of it for men, and intimacy for women, much more of it than in heterosexual relationships.

Who is the ideal mate for most normal, well adjusted heterosexual men and woman? A verile person of child bearing age (woman), and a good provider (man). Sex is an "added benefit", but not the ultimate destination. Children, home, and family are the ultimate destination.

Who is the idealized mate for a gay person. If he's a man, he wants a "boy", young, smooth, "cut", just like your average pre-pubescent teenager. All that stuff about gays being no more inclined towards young boys is absolute hogwash. Just look at the literature, and you'll understand their cultural norm. Lesbian women, to a lessor extent idealize a younger, but developed woman, about a 16-22 years old. Yes, there are more masculine "Daddy's" or Dykes, or others trend towards being "fems", but again, no gay guy is lusting after a 35 year old "boy".

The utimate destination for this gay culture trip that Liberal American is taking us on is redefinition of the concept of "child molestation". The true child molester in the brave new world of leftist American will be you and I, if we are parents, who have the audacity to raise children with "closed" minds, who object to our children "experimenting" with "mentors".

In the same manner than many in America now consider an 18 year old virgin to be a sad anacronysm, a poor child suffering from a backwards upbringing, in 5-10 years, they will see any 13 year old child who has not experience some sort of gay intimacy in the same manner. It simply has to be, if you follow the left's logical reasoning.

• Pedophilla? No, it's mentorship.

• Twisted, sick, and perverted? No, it's happy. It's "gay"!

• Conservative, sober, responsible, chaste, heterosexual and monogamous?? No, not at all. You're twisted, sexist, biased, hateful, spiteful, closed minded, and a very poor candidate for parenthood.

The state will endorse it, in fact, it already has through the Public school curicullum. Better a gay parent than a twisted Christian parent. Just a few more years, now...

SFS

[Republic If You Can Keep It]

We will all have to resort to home schooling....

The NEA knows well that home schooling & vouchers are the only things standing in the way of their agenda.

Look for repeated attempts to outlaw them both.

[searchandrecovery]

America Sucks.

[puroresu]

Yep! There was actually an EU official a few months ago who said that the UN would ultimately have to force gay marriage on the entire world. He said that with commerce being increasingly global, virtually all laws would need to be international to guarantee "fairness". He gave as an example a Dutch homosexual whose company wanted to put him in charge of a new branch in a country where gay marriage wasn't permitted. To guarantee that this man would have "freedom to travel" and "freedom to accept economic opportunities", the other country would need to be forced to accept gay marriage whether they want it or not.

I keep trying to warn some of these apathetic conservatives that the gay agenda isn't just a "live and let live" deal. The gays may sell it that way, and I saw one on TV the other night saying that all gay marriage means is that two people can do what they want in private and no one else will be affected. He also claimed that if it becomes legal in one state, the other states will be free to continue banning it.

But that isn't true. Once gay marriage is legal in even one state, it will invariably spread to the others, either through full faith & credit or equal protection claims when some gay guy in Massachusetts whines that he can't accept job or educational opportunities in Texas because that state won't sanction his Massachusetts gay marriage.

And as the article above shows, legal gay marriage will lead to a full scale assult on our kids on this issue, from kindergarten forward. As much as I hate hearing these gay activists spouting their propaganda, I hate even worse hearing supposed conservatives saying, "Well, gee, I don't see what the big deal is about allowing gay marriage....it doesn't affect me or my marriage if two gays tie the knot."

[kittymyrib]

And parents will have to be MUCH more vigilant in checking out the friends their children make at school. Visiting the home of the child inviting your child over is a must today. When my grandchildren moved to a new city recently, my daughter was gratified that several of the mothers came by to get to know her before their children were allowed to come over. That is the way every parent must be in these wicked times.

[elisabeth]

This will just fall into the pattern that keeps repeating: the left will go too far in imposing its views on others, then the right-thinking families (who don't want to put up with this crap) that make the schools good will all leave, and the schools will then deteriorate. Finally, the leftists will blame the right for the poor condition of the schools.

Same thing with any social problem-- the left blasted the right for condemning and stigmatizing teenage pregnancy, and then turns around and blames the right when it becomes an epidemic and a real social problem.

I don't care what two consenting adults do on their own time. I do care when the public schools become instruments of social indoctrination and social engineering rather than places of learning where kids can learn HOW to think, not WHAT to think.

[Always Right]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way : ).

Absolutely false. There are a lot of factors that determine sexuality, genetics at most contributes 25%, probably less. It is this lie that traps many people into this lifestyle. Anyone who has any thoughts about it is taught that they are homosexual, which is wrong. Many people are brought into this lifestyle as a result of abuse or rape and some because of a drunken horny state. Sexuality is way too complicated to blame homosexuality on genetics.

[ought-six]

None other than Clinton-appointed Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginzberg once said that the age of consent for sexual acts should be twelve years of age. Ruth Bader Ginzberg was also General Counsel for the ACLU. She is a notorious leftist, and all those Clinton apologists who tried to sell BJ Clinton as a "moderate" Democrat only need look as far as his judicial appointees to see just what kind of a Democrat -- and person -- he really was: his judicial appointees have virtually all been leftists.

[DooDahhhh]

Well, since you are "always right" guess you know! Got any gay relatives??

[Caipirabob]

*ping*

You may feel compelled to wash your hands after reading this...

[AmericanVictory]

Why do we want to promote any kind of extra-marital sexual activity among minors, much less that which to all believers of all major creeds is sinful and harmful? Why do those who promote perversion in the name of "equal rights" not get challenged on their real agenda of taking away the right of all who believe to believe that such behavior is a sin?

[lonerepubinma]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way : ).

Tell that to Ellen DeGenres after Anne Heche left her to MARRY a MAN !!!

[DooDahhhh]

Guess I should have said most of em!

[Always Right]

Well, since you are "always right" guess you know! Got any gay relatives??

Yeah, I have a brother-in-law who is 'bi'. The gay community can't stand it and try to convince he is gay and there is no such thing as 'bi'. He has stuggled because he finds women attractive but still likes to be with guys. Sexual identity and fetishes are greatly influenced by environment and sexual orgasism provide perhaps the strongest postive reinforcement mechanism that works to also shape human behavior. The scientific evidence points to lots of influences, but the 'experts' ignore all the facts. There is nothing that supports the current belief that sexuality identity is soley caused by genetics. The best evidence they show are twin studies, but even the most biased twin studies only show a 50% correlation. That leaves a lot of room for other influences.

[dfwgator]

There was actually an EU official a few months ago who said that the UN would ultimately have to force gay marriage on the entire world.

That would plant the seeds for the next World War. Countries like Poland will never accept that.

[shhrubbery!]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way

You are repeating the dogma of the leftist gay-agendists.

They insist that homosexuality is something one is "born with," in order to equate homosexuality with race -- thus, forcing an extension of all anti-discrimation laws to apply to homosexuals.

I for one don't believe this dogma is true. There may be predisposing genetic factors in many cases, but genetics cannot be the only cause: There are many effeminate men and 'masculine' women who are heterosexuals.

I believe homosexuality is caused by a combination of factors, mostly psychological, none of which by themselves would necessarily result in that particular, er, bent.

[John O]

The studies show pretty strongly that the three leading causes of homosexual behavior (Same-sex Attraction Disorder) are (1)being abused (either sexually or physically, with molestation being far and away the best indicator), (2)having an absent or insufficent relationship with one's father, and (3)relentless teasing by one's peers during the formative years. Of course not every person subjected to these horrors will contract SAD, but almost every SAD has one or more of these characteristics.

No verified study shows a genetic link.

Well, since you are "always right" guess you know! Got any gay relatives??

I have a brother who is trapped in perversion. I do not know if he was molested but I know for a certainty that he was physically abused, had no relationship with our dad and was torturously teased by his classmates.

Likewise every SAD that I know of has these same characteristics. And so do most ex-SADs which shows that environement is overcomeable.

[Devil_Anse]

I'm no scientist, but I must agree with your point about the relationship of a person with their father. All I can say is that, of the homosexuals I've actually gotten to know, I have yet to EVER meet a single one who expressed satisfaction over his/her relationship with his/her father.

I've also noticed that a large number of them seem to have had an overbearing mother.

[Jackie-O]

I have yet to EVER meet a single one who expressed satisfaction over his/her relationship with his/her father.

I have found this to be true, as well as no father in the equation at all.

[Devil_Anse]

The funny thing is that persons with SSAD are still very dependent on heterosexuals. They can't do without heterosexuals. Everything regarding sex is still defined according to masculine and feminine. While this may annoy the heck out of discontented SSAD's, as long as it takes one sperm and one egg to produce a baby, I don't see there being a departure from the masculine/feminine paradigm.

The persons who have this sad disorder still cannot produce offspring unless they (at least temporarily) deny their alleged "homosexual identity" and engage in some behavior which will cause a sperm and egg to unite. I believe that the desire to produce offspring is pretty strong, generally speaking. After all, that's what populates the world. That's what heterosexuality does for the world. What, I wonder, does homosexuality do for the world?

[Carry_Okie]

I heard a news report this morning that a class of 4th graders in a San Francisco school just sent the mayor thank you notes for instituting gay marriage.

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way : ).

I don't believe this for one second.

Your argument about homosexuality is no different than the stale old arguments of yore that asserted women were intellectually inferior to men, and couldn't follow a logical discipline like mathematics.

A person is the result of their conditioning, belief systems and environment.

[Devil_Anse]

Right! And wouldn't you know, we live in a society which has persistently de-valued the role of the father.

The so-called Great Society and its ill-advised welfare programs worked to throw the father out of the home, and replace him with The Government.

And we needn't even go into the so-called women's lib movement: a movement led by mentally ill persons who, b/c THEY felt uncomfortable around men, sought to exclude men from women's lives. I dunno, though, I look around, and it doesn't seem to me that they were too successful in getting women to live without men. Most women I know wouldn't THINK of trying to do without men in their world!

[EdReform]

Ping

What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda

Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)

[Jackie-O]

as long as it takes one sperm and one egg to produce a baby, I don't see there being a departure from the masculine/feminine paradigm

BINGO! In the end the father cannot be taken out of the equation completely.

There is an Attorney in Chicago who advertises on the radio who represents Father's rights. He states that most children who grow up without a father will either enter a life of crime or be a victim of crime/abuse. Speaking from experience, I have found this to be sad but true. I grew up without my Father because of an untimely death, and my children have lost their Father at a young age as well.

[EdReform]

Our children are very impressionable and many will take to this kind of behavior just because it is seen as "in style". Others will embrace it because they have no parents teaching them different.

Psychiatrist "Reassures" Parents About Lesbian Experimentation

"...The article describes a parent-faculty meeting at The Spence School, a private enclave overlooking Central Park, where several eighth-grade girls had declared themselves "bisexual." The school called in a Harvard-educated psychiatrist, Dr. Justin Richardson--himself a gay man--to reassure the parents that lesbian experimentation is common, and that it was too soon to know if they would be lesbians or heterosexuals.

At the all-girl Brearly School two weeks earlier, Dr. Richardson told a parent group to advise their daughters as young as nine years old that they, too, may have sex with other girls in the future. "It is a good idea," he said, "to mention that people have sex with members of the same sex sometimes, and that when they grow up they may have friends that do that--and that it may be something that they themselves do."

"A small but growing number of students," the Times article reported, "have come out at these schools, or at least say that bisexuality is stylish." Parents are concerned, and Dr. Richardson--"pedigreed, carefully-spoken, determinedly nonthreatening--has become the schools' gay issues consultant of choice" because he is "sane and clear," according to the Spence headmaster..."

[cupcakes]

Absolutely. I dont' know what the "hard way" means, but at one time I was a raving lib with many gay male friends. Many, many of those had something in their past that I think contributed to their homosexual lifestyles and a number also were enticed by those perverts who took advantage of their confusion. So many of them were high school friends and were attracted to girls. Some seemed confused and hurt because most girls were not attracted to them. It seemed to open up the door for a predator who gave them attention they never had. I'm going in all different directions, but EVERY eventually homosexual friend I have had has had something that could have been treated with therapy, spirituality, or a combination of both, but unfortunately all were trapped instead by predators in the homo community looking to cash in on young men who were in the midst of this confusion.

[cupcakes]

2)having an absent or insufficent relationship with one's father
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this is a big contributing factor in another perversion as well. Promiscuity in teenage females.

Absolutely agree with you. I like how DD tries to come back with a question meant to assume that some here don't know any homosexuals, but that would be a load of crap.
I gravitated towards men in this confusion as they were on the road towards destruction in their youth because I was one of those teen girls also hell bent on my own self-destruction ie I've known so many folks who eventually identified themselves as homosexual and I have an uncle who became an aunt and identifies "her"self now as a lesbian. He met at least 2 of your factors above(minus the sexual abuse) and many of my friends who later identified as homosexual met all three(with the abuse either physical, mental, or sexual). So, yeah, many of us have btdt that with family members and close friends and they still won't convince you and I that this is how they were born. I can't be fooled. I knew many of these folks while they were forming their "identity". I've seen them being taken advantage of by perverted older homos who helped to recruit them into the lifestyle ie I know better...

[Always Right]

Absolutely. I dont' know what the "hard way" means

And I would be afraid to even guess....

[cupcakes]

Yup, thinking of three "gay" friends off the top of my head. One actually had a very ill father and no mother(he held much of the responsibility at home), another had a father who worked constantly and another had an absent father. All had flawed relationships with their fathers when they had contact and this was in their OWN words.

[cupcakes]

You've got that right. I get mad as a hornet at my hubby, but I would never do without him. I can remember my more "liberated" days and they were lonely and I can remember praying to God to guide me to someone special. Girlfriends I know have put on this front too and deep down are craving for male companionship. It would seem especially hard for women because *most* of us thrive on social and emotional contact and interaction. To deny ourselves the social and emotional(and yes sexual) contact with men just can not be healthy long term.

[scripter]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not.

What the evidence does support is the major factor in determining homosexuality is environment. The fact that thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle further supports the scientific studies.

The following is pulled from here:

...The following is just one of the many developmental pathways that can lead to homosexuality, but a common one. In reality, every person's "road" to sexual expression is individual, however many common lengths it may share with those of others.

(1) Our scenario starts with birth. The boy (for example) who one day may go on to struggle with homosexuality is born with certain features that are somewhat more common among homosexuals than in the population at large. Some of these traits might be inherited (genetic), while others might have been caused by the "intrauterine environment" (hormones). What this means is that a youngster without these traits will be somewhat less likely to become homosexual later than someone with them.

What are these traits? If we could identify them precisely, many of them would turn out to be gifts rather than "problems," for example a "sensitive" disposition, a strong creative drive, a keen aesthetic sense. Some of these, such as greater sensitivity, could be related to - or even the same as - physiological traits that also cause trouble, such as a greater-than-average anxiety response to any given stimulus.

No one knows with certainty just what these heritable characteristics are; at present we only have hints. Were we free to study homosexuality properly (uninfluenced by political agendas) we would certainly soon clarify these factors - just as we are doing in less contentious areas. In any case, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the behavior "homosexuality" is itself directly inherited.

There are 11 additional references at the above link which I encourage everyone to read, as it's my opinion the above summarizes the homosexual factors quite well. At this time there are no scientific arguments against the above. Unfortunately we're labeled all kinds of things if we don't just tolerate homosexual behavior, but we're supposed to accept it as valid.

And that's ridiculous. Stop and think about it. Not just tolerate, but accept a behavior that results in severe health hazards. A behavior that can, and should be, changed. The madness must stop. The truth must be told.

[John O]

this (lack of father) is a big contributing factor in another perversion as well. Promiscuity in teenage females.

For precisely the same reason. Both the SAD male and the promiscuous female are trying to find "daddy's love" that was denied to them. A daddy is essential to the proper development of a child, as is a mommy. (I use daddy and mommy in this instance to distinguish them from the purely biological father and mother)

I have an uncle who became an aunt and identifies "her"self now as a lesbian

So I guess he really was a lesbian trapped in a man's body. (poor soul)

[quietolong]

EXTRA! EXTRA!! AFTER 43 years of togetherness Barbie dumps Ken for Aussie boogie boarder

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1079076/posts

[MeekOneGOP]

[TaxRelief]

People are in all likelihood not "born" with homosexuality. Men may be born "effeminate", but they are not born desiring same sex relationships (or any sex relationships).

Sexuality is shaped by experiences and poor reactions to normal "stages". Identical twin studies, (the only studies that can test for innate characteristics), have proven overwhelmingly that homosexuality is generally NOT genetic. There may be a very small percentage of self-acclaimed homosexuals that are born "wired" for homosexuality, but these cases can certainly be viewed as extremely rare.

Be that as it may, that does not mean a child or maybe even a family is responsible for an upbringing outcome that results in homosexuality. Because of resistence by homosexual lobbies, in recent years studies to determine what goes wrong during childhood have been sharply curtailed or tainted. However, we do have some solid results.

* Schwartz MF & Masters WH The Masters and Johnson treatment program for dissatisfied homosexual men. Amer J Psychiatry 1984:141;173-81.
* Homosexuality and psychiatry, Psychiatric News, Feb. 7,1992, p.3.
* LeVay S A difference in hypothalamic structure between heterosexual and homosexual men. Science 1991;253:1034-1037.
*Bailey JM & Pillard RCA genetic study of mate sexual orientation. Arch Gen Psychiatry 1991;48: 1089-1996.
* Human sexual orientation: the biologic theories reappraised. Arch Gen Psychiatry 1993:50;228-239.
* King M & McDonald E Homosexuals who are twins: a study of 46 probands. Brit J Psychiatry 1992,160:407-419.
* Belt AP & Weinberg MS Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978. /& Hammersmith SK Sexual Preference: Statistical Appendix. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981.
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* Dixon, JK. The commencement of bisexual activity in swinging married women overage thirty. J Sex Research, 1984,20,71-98.
*1993, after Broude GJ & Greene SJ Cross cultural codes on twenty sexual attitudes and practices. Ethnology 1976;15;409-430.
* Gebhard P & Johnson AB The Kinsey data Philadelphia: Saunders, 1979.

An interesting point, when Kinsey asked 1700 homosexuals in the 1940s how they "got that way," only 9% claimed that they were "born gay." In 1970, a similar percentage was recorded for 979 gays in San Francisco. But in 1983, after the gay rights movement started their recruitment campaign that included the issue pushing the biological homosexual theory, 35% of a random sample of 147 gays said that they were "born that way". Currently, push polls will show as many as 85% saying that they were "born that way".

As with all conditions that are out of the norm, it is more comfortable and less work to believe that the causes are innate and inalterable. It releases the "victim" of the need to use willpower or the pressure associated with accepting responsibility.

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You may find this thread informative. We've recently added some new information at the end of the thread. Unforuntately I've been too busy to update the database, which is getting really large as is...