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CU puts Barnett on leave (after "poor" response to rape allegations)
Denver Post ^ | 2.19.04 | Erin Emery and Jim Hughes

Posted on 02/19/2004 6:04:47 AM PST by mhking

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1 posted on 02/19/2004 6:04:47 AM PST by mhking
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

2 posted on 02/19/2004 6:06:10 AM PST by mhking (This tag line is "3 Laws Safe." Is yours?)
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To: mhking
Is Regina Cowles trying out for the place kicking job at CU ?
3 posted on 02/19/2004 6:19:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: mhking
Barnett is a total sleazeball. He nicely covered up a gambling scandal while he was head coach at Northwestern. Then there's the way he sneaked out of Evanston two days after he vowed to his Northwestern players that he would "take the Purple back to Pasadena".
4 posted on 02/19/2004 6:22:07 AM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Yup. Real dork. But someone will hire him.
5 posted on 02/19/2004 6:23:31 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: mhking
saying she was "utterly distressed" by a police report that describes Barnett as siding "100 percent" with a player accused of rape.

Was she "utterly distressed when her NOW "sisters" sided 100% with accused rapist Bill Clinton?

6 posted on 02/19/2004 6:25:01 AM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: mhking
CU is a joke of a school. Long considered the party school of all party schools why are they surprised when their students act like pigs.
7 posted on 02/19/2004 6:28:23 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: AppyPappy
No way. He's done at Division One. The key to college football is recruiting. His reputation will preceed him and I guarantee any co-ed university will have serious PR issues (read "campus women's groups") to contend with, as well. I can't believe how utterly terrible this has been handled. It's mind boggling.
8 posted on 02/19/2004 6:28:57 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever
What is it with these CU coaches, they go from one extreme (McCartney) to the other (Neuheisel, Barnett).
9 posted on 02/19/2004 6:30:33 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Rutles4Ever
What I can't believe is that this guy actually said what he said to the press. I mean, even if he really believed somehow that Hnida's ability or lack thereof was relevant, why wasn't he smart enough to keep it to himself?

I mean, "No comment" would have been far, far better than verbally attacking Hnida in the media.

10 posted on 02/19/2004 6:31:33 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Guillermo
LOL.

The obligatory FR post on any thread dealing with a woman's reaction to the report of a rape.

You can set your watch by it.
11 posted on 02/19/2004 6:32:17 AM PST by dmz
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To: mhking
I have a dim memory of a female 3rd-string place kicker at a major college that subsequently transfered to a smaller school. She then kicked and extra-point or something and everybody from Frank DeFord to Bryant Gumbel was having an orgasm over it. I also seem to recall that the reason given for her transfer was that she was harassed by another CU player -- but few details were given.

Was that Hidna? Anybody from CU know?

12 posted on 02/19/2004 6:37:02 AM PST by Tallguy (Cannot rate this Reserve Freepers fitness: Not observed on this thread.)
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To: mhking
A painful article that also left me saying Just damn.
13 posted on 02/19/2004 6:39:58 AM PST by Imal (The problem with Islam is fundamental.)
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To: dmz
I think it's a legitimate question.

If Barnett was a pro-abortion politician, with an ambitious wife, they'd be defending him.
14 posted on 02/19/2004 6:41:07 AM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: Tallguy
I'm not from CU, but Hnida is the one. She ultimately kicked two extra points for New Mexico, becoming the first woman to score points in Division I-A.
15 posted on 02/19/2004 6:41:09 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: mhking
Lisa Simpson, alleges she was gang-raped at a party at her off-campus apartment in Boulder attended by football players and recruits

Two things - first, as "Lisa Simpson" I'm sure she catches enough crap without this happening to her.

And inviting a bunch of football players to your apartment and providing intoxicants couldn't have been real smart either. Not to blame her for what happened, but women need to be smarter about putting themselves in dangerous situations.

16 posted on 02/19/2004 6:46:24 AM PST by MrB
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To: Tallguy
Ask and ye shall receive.

She transferred to New Mexico and got a chance to kick an extra point in the Las Vegas bowl.

It was blocked.

Other info on female kickers is in the article.

17 posted on 02/19/2004 6:46:47 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: mhking
I may be prejudiced, but I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the vicious treatment High School Freshman from the @$$hole Varsity football players with the gym coach encouraging their terrorism against the smaller weaker guys. So I love it when I see sports-bullies eat dirt.

I hope they prosecute and imprison with maximum sentences every single player who harassed this chick. Put them all on the sex offender registry. Post their photos in whatever communities they try to live. Make their lives the same miserable hell they gleefully inflicted on others.

18 posted on 02/19/2004 6:47:57 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand... if you are French raise both hands.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
My article said that Hnida's kick was blocked. Maybe she "scored" last year.
19 posted on 02/19/2004 6:48:38 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: dmz; Guillermo
The obligatory FR post on any thread dealing with a woman's reaction to the report of a rape.

No, it's the obligatory FR post when any of that utterly discredited group of hard left lesbians attempts to pretend she give's a rat's patoot about rape.

It's all about the hypocrisy.

Guillermo just beat me to it.

20 posted on 02/19/2004 6:49:35 AM PST by jimt
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To: AmishDude
She scored two points in a 72-8 rout of Texas State-San Marcos last year.
21 posted on 02/19/2004 6:50:48 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: AmishDude
Yes she did. In August 2003 it seems that she scored a point.
22 posted on 02/19/2004 6:51:57 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: mhking
Looks like Frank Solich might finally have a shot at a new coaching job.
23 posted on 02/19/2004 6:53:08 AM PST by shadowman99
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To: mhking
University of Colorado president Betsy Hoffman put football coach Gary Barnett on paid administrative leave Wednesday night, saying she was "utterly distressed" by a police report that describes Barnett as siding "100 percent" with a player accused of rape...
"Our decision was based on coach Barnett's recent remarks about former student Katie Hnida's athletic abilities," Hoffman said. "His remarks about her were extremely inappropriate and insensitive. Rape is a horrific allegation, and it should be taken seriously."

Umm, I understand that Barnett is a sleaze, etc., but what if the allegations were made up? Is it now "unconscionable" for a coach to stand by his players "100%" in the face of any rape accusation, even a flase one, simply because it is a serious subject? Once accused, the alleged perp and all his loved ones must immediately prostrate themselves?

24 posted on 02/19/2004 6:54:32 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Seruzawa
I hope they prosecute and imprison with maximum sentences every single player who harassed this chick. Put them all on the sex offender registry. Post their photos in whatever communities they try to live. Make their lives the same miserable hell they gleefully inflicted on others.

All you need now is a hot, steaming cauldron, and ... you'll be the next Football coach at CU.

25 posted on 02/19/2004 6:56:20 AM PST by thinktwice (The human mind is blessed with reason, and to waste that blessed mind is treason.)
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To: shadowman99
He'll probably have to beat out Barry Switzer.
26 posted on 02/19/2004 6:56:37 AM PST by TheBigB ("Flash, don't heckle the super-villain!" (John "Green Lantern" Stewart))
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To: Teacher317
I have a problem with the women NOT going to the police or a hospital to report the rape, THEN, when it is all he said/she said, alleging what is, after all, a serious offense.


27 posted on 02/19/2004 7:00:39 AM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: thinktwice
you'll be the next Football coach at CU.

Couldn't happen. I pulled my head out of my @$$ years ago.

28 posted on 02/19/2004 7:04:09 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand... if you are French raise both hands.)
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To: mhking
Fire him and move on or get over it.
29 posted on 02/19/2004 7:07:25 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig ( I went to the gun show today and saw an Sharpton for President sticker on a truck. Seriously dude.)
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To: mhking
It is almost beyond belief that Barnett could be so brain-dead as to make those comments - hasn't he been paying attention to ANYTHING besides football for the last 30 years?
30 posted on 02/19/2004 7:07:53 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: mhking
Of course all of this happened in a near vacumn, so there was no way that Hoffman could have known anything? How
does one rise to a job like that and yet operate totally clueless? Has she no eyes, no ears? Apparently no brain.
31 posted on 02/19/2004 7:10:58 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Teacher317
"Is it now "unconscionable" for a coach to stand by his players "100%" in the face of any rape accusation . . . "

The point is precisely that he WASN'T standing up for Hnida, one of his former players. When the rape accusation surfaced, he ridiculed her in public by drawing attention to her poor performance as a kicker, which is utterly irrelevant to the rape charge.
32 posted on 02/19/2004 7:11:43 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: mhking
I hope Barnett gets fired, and all of the rapists are convicted to the maximum extent of the law. Having said that, why the hell you would anyone allow a woman to kick on an college football team? What was the point? It was just asking for trouble (albeit I didn't think rape would enter the picture). Did they think this would be like Helen Hunt in "Quarterback Princess?"
33 posted on 02/19/2004 7:13:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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"Barnett is a total sleazeball. He nicely covered up a gambling scandal while he was head coach at Northwestern. Then there's the way he sneaked out of Evanston two days after he vowed to his Northwestern players that he would "take the Purple back to Pasadena"."

C'mon, give him a break - who else could have filled Neuheisel's shoes at CU? Meanwhile, at the U-Dub, fallout from the Neuheisel era continues as the UW faces possible NCAA sanctions for a variety of infractions ranging from gambling to illegal recruiting activities to abuse of prescription drugs by a team physician.
34 posted on 02/19/2004 7:16:53 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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"Regina Cowles, president of the National Organization for Women's Boulder chapter, said she thinks CU should have fired both Barnett and athletic director Dick Tharp on Wednesday. "

...and, have n all girls team; no more nasty smelling boys...

35 posted on 02/19/2004 7:17:03 AM PST by hoot2
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To: Steve_Seattle
he ridiculed her in public by drawing attention to her poor performance as a kicker, which is utterly irrelevant to the rape charge.

The poor performance could have been completely due to the rape charge, don't you think?
36 posted on 02/19/2004 7:19:25 AM PST by Texas2step (Reformed passion thread instigator ... but don't tell anyone.)
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To: dfwgator
Having said that, why the hell you would anyone allow a woman to kick on an college football team?

Two Division I-A universities did it in Hnida's case, ultimately giving ESPN the chance to highlight her "accomplishment" of kicking two extra points in a contest that was already decided. One does wonder why she was on CU's team if the coach had such a low opinion of her ability to begin with.

Barnett has proven himself to be a cluless ass who should be fired in short order.

37 posted on 02/19/2004 7:19:45 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
cluless = clueless

(When it comes to typing, I haven't a clue.)
38 posted on 02/19/2004 7:21:59 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Judith Anne
I have a problem with the women NOT going to the police or a hospital to report the rape, THEN, when it is all he said/she said, alleging what is, after all, a serious offense.

That confuses me about the article. In it they claim that Barnett responded to her “complaint” by saying he would back his player 100% if she took it forward in the criminal process, etc.

Why would you bring a rape complaint to the attention of a football coach? There’s really not much he can do IMO. It’s not his place to determine guilt or sentence someone for it. He can “investigate” in a cursory manner, I suppose. He could question the person(s) involved, assuming they want to cooperate, but they could just as easily tell him to pound sand and he has no legal authority to do anything meaningful about it.

He certainly has no authority to arrest or detain. I don’t believe he can file criminal charges on behalf of a third party… at least not in this case.

It seems to me you’d go to the PD and fill out a report. They’ll handle it from there. The coach can support the player(s) or not, but he’s not in a position to call any shots regarding a criminal investigation.

I have quite a few questions that are unanswered by this particular article.

39 posted on 02/19/2004 7:29:52 AM PST by Who dat?
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To: mhking
The comments they ran on the air were insensitive at best and despicable at worst. HOWEVER, I would have liked to have seen all his comments in their entirety. Were these yanked off the end of promises to "look into this," and "find those responsible," and blah, blah? In other words, are we getting the full story of his comments?
40 posted on 02/19/2004 7:35:10 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
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To: Seruzawa
"I may be prejudiced, but I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the vicious treatment High School Freshman from the @$$hole Varsity football players with the gym coach encouraging their terrorism against the smaller weaker guys. So I love it when I see sports-bullies eat dirt.

I hope they prosecute and imprison with maximum sentences every single player who harassed this chick. Put them all on the sex offender registry. Post their photos in whatever communities they try to live. Make their lives the same miserable hell they gleefully inflicted on others. "

the same for kobe bryant?

41 posted on 02/19/2004 7:35:28 AM PST by hoot2
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To: mhking
Couple of things while y'all are gathering the firewood to burn me at the stake....

1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.

2. College football..... 99.99999% men. If you're gonna play with the boys and try to be one of the boys, you're gonna get talked to like you're one of the boys. They sometime use foul language and call people names. GET OVER IT. Oh, I forgot, that's not PC.

3. Why don't these women report the rapes when they happen? When did we become of society of guilty until proven innocent? That evidence has no value and accusation has all value?

/rant off
42 posted on 02/19/2004 7:39:03 AM PST by Jaded (Personally, I think they should bring back flogging and burning at the stake. /so)
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To: jimt
I gather she is a member of "that utterly discredited group of hard left lesbians" simply by virtue of the fact that she works as an administrator on a college campus, or do you have any actual quotes where she specifically defended Clinton. My quick google on the topic turned up nothing, but I confess it was just a quickie.

On the basis of a statement she made about the Hnida case, she has been branded a hypocrite, because (as far I can tell), OK, I'm having trouble coming up with the "because".

So, apparently, in order to be credible, a female college administrator, when talking about sexual assault on campus, must also include the words "and I was also appalled by the allegations of rape made against Bill Clinton", or at the very least, one must be able to google quotes from the past in which she has made this comment. Silence on the topic, or lack of attributable quotes is not enough.

OK.

43 posted on 02/19/2004 7:41:44 AM PST by dmz
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1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.
_____

exactly. In a news conference about the allegations, why did he bring up her performance. as you say... "One has nothing to do with the other. "

I think the point you reference in #2 is off a bit, the allegations do not stop at foul language, the way your comment does. I don't think she alleges that she was raped with foul language.

I cannot answer your #3. I'm not a woman.
44 posted on 02/19/2004 7:53:19 AM PST by dmz
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To: hoot2
If he in fact raped her? Sure. If she's just some gold-digging loony then she's the one who belongs in jail.

I believe that people who file false criminal chareges should be given the maximum penalties that the falsely accused would have gotten if convicted.

45 posted on 02/19/2004 8:00:38 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand... if you are French raise both hands.)
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To: dmz
2 and 3 are separate. One of the complaints was the way she was treated aside from the rape accusation. I don't personally think women should play men's sports with men. Like football. Don't expect for the boys to lower the standards or hold hands and play nice so the girls can play too and feel all warm and fuzzy about themselves.


46 posted on 02/19/2004 8:01:54 AM PST by Jaded (Personally, I think they should bring back flogging and burning at the stake. /so)
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To: Jaded
1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.
Barnett explicitly connected her ability to what happened to her: "It was obvious that Katie was not very good. She was awful. You know what guys do - they respect your ability." And in Barnett's world, apparently "what guys do" when they don't respect your ability is rape you if you're a girl.

2. College football..... 99.99999% men. If you're gonna play with the boys and try to be one of the boys, you're gonna get talked to like you're one of the boys. They sometime use foul language and call people names. GET OVER IT. Oh, I forgot, that's not PC.
Are you reading the same story the rest of us are reading? Rape is not "foul language," nor is complaining about it "PC."

3. Why don't these women report the rapes when they happen? When did we become of society of guilty until proven innocent? That evidence has no value and accusation has all value?
One reason women don't report rape could be because when they do they get the kind of treatment you seem to want to give them, telling them to stop whining about "being called names." Who is (or at least was) the most powerful person at Colorado University, if not the whole state? Not the chancellor or the governor, but the head football coach. When he tells a woman that he will back his player "100%" if she follows through with a criminal complaint, her choice is to either shut up or risk getting screwed again.
47 posted on 02/19/2004 8:06:33 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: Jaded
1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.
Barnett explicitly connected her ability to what happened to her: "It was obvious that Katie was not very good. She was awful. You know what guys do - they respect your ability." And in Barnett's world, apparently "what guys do" when they don't respect your ability is rape you if you're a girl.

2. College football..... 99.99999% men. If you're gonna play with the boys and try to be one of the boys, you're gonna get talked to like you're one of the boys. They sometime use foul language and call people names. GET OVER IT. Oh, I forgot, that's not PC.
Are you reading the same story the rest of us are reading? Rape is not "foul language," nor is complaining about it "PC."

3. Why don't these women report the rapes when they happen? When did we become of society of guilty until proven innocent? That evidence has no value and accusation has all value?
One reason women don't report rape could be because when they do they get the kind of treatment you seem to want to give them, telling them to stop whining about "being called names." Who is (or at least was) the most powerful person at Colorado University, if not the whole state? Not the chancellor or the governor, but the head football coach. When he tells a woman that he will back his player "100%" if she follows through with a criminal complaint, her choice is to either shut up or risk getting screwed again.
48 posted on 02/19/2004 8:07:11 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: drjimmy
Sorry for the double post. Slow server, quick trigger finger.
49 posted on 02/19/2004 8:09:20 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: mhking
In the world of professional and college sports, skill and performance on the field is everything, and certainly trumps morality or criminality. In the eyes of many of these coaches (and the boosters, too), a rapist who is a first-rate athlete is superior. They don't want their star athletes raping and killing people, but it is primarily because if they get caught, the team might be deprived of their services.

This is the down side of a highly competetive environment where performance becomes the entire measure of the person. In business or sports, criminals and moral degenerates sometimes perform exceptionally well, and they will be protected for longer than they would be protected if they were average performers. This is natural, but not laudable or to be encouraged.

50 posted on 02/19/2004 8:10:13 AM PST by Montfort
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