CU puts Barnett on leave (after "poor" response to rape allegations)

Denver Post ^ | 2.19.04 | Erin Emery and Jim Hughes

[hoot2]

"I may be prejudiced, but I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the vicious treatment High School Freshman from the @$$hole Varsity football players with the gym coach encouraging their terrorism against the smaller weaker guys. So I love it when I see sports-bullies eat dirt.

I hope they prosecute and imprison with maximum sentences every single player who harassed this chick. Put them all on the sex offender registry. Post their photos in whatever communities they try to live. Make their lives the same miserable hell they gleefully inflicted on others. "

the same for kobe bryant?

[Jaded]

Couple of things while y'all are gathering the firewood to burn me at the stake....

1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.

2. College football..... 99.99999% men. If you're gonna play with the boys and try to be one of the boys, you're gonna get talked to like you're one of the boys. They sometime use foul language and call people names. GET OVER IT. Oh, I forgot, that's not PC.

3. Why don't these women report the rapes when they happen? When did we become of society of guilty until proven innocent? That evidence has no value and accusation has all value?

/rant off

[dmz]

I gather she is a member of "that utterly discredited group of hard left lesbians" simply by virtue of the fact that she works as an administrator on a college campus, or do you have any actual quotes where she specifically defended Clinton. My quick google on the topic turned up nothing, but I confess it was just a quickie.

On the basis of a statement she made about the Hnida case, she has been branded a hypocrite, because (as far I can tell), OK, I'm having trouble coming up with the "because".

So, apparently, in order to be credible, a female college administrator, when talking about sexual assault on campus, must also include the words "and I was also appalled by the allegations of rape made against Bill Clinton", or at the very least, one must be able to google quotes from the past in which she has made this comment. Silence on the topic, or lack of attributable quotes is not enough.

OK.

[dmz]

1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.
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exactly. In a news conference about the allegations, why did he bring up her performance. as you say... "One has nothing to do with the other. "

I think the point you reference in #2 is off a bit, the allegations do not stop at foul language, the way your comment does. I don't think she alleges that she was raped with foul language.

I cannot answer your #3. I'm not a woman.

[Seruzawa]

If he in fact raped her? Sure. If she's just some gold-digging loony then she's the one who belongs in jail.

I believe that people who file false criminal chareges should be given the maximum penalties that the falsely accused would have gotten if convicted.

[Jaded]

2 and 3 are separate. One of the complaints was the way she was treated aside from the rape accusation. I don't personally think women should play men's sports with men. Like football. Don't expect for the boys to lower the standards or hold hands and play nice so the girls can play too and feel all warm and fuzzy about themselves.

[drjimmy]

1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.
Barnett explicitly connected her ability to what happened to her: "It was obvious that Katie was not very good. She was awful. You know what guys do - they respect your ability." And in Barnett's world, apparently "what guys do" when they don't respect your ability is rape you if you're a girl.

2. College football..... 99.99999% men. If you're gonna play with the boys and try to be one of the boys, you're gonna get talked to like you're one of the boys. They sometime use foul language and call people names. GET OVER IT. Oh, I forgot, that's not PC.
Are you reading the same story the rest of us are reading? Rape is not "foul language," nor is complaining about it "PC."

3. Why don't these women report the rapes when they happen? When did we become of society of guilty until proven innocent? That evidence has no value and accusation has all value?
One reason women don't report rape could be because when they do they get the kind of treatment you seem to want to give them, telling them to stop whining about "being called names." Who is (or at least was) the most powerful person at Colorado University, if not the whole state? Not the chancellor or the governor, but the head football coach. When he tells a woman that he will back his player "100%" if she follows through with a criminal complaint, her choice is to either shut up or risk getting screwed again.

[drjimmy]

1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.
Barnett explicitly connected her ability to what happened to her: "It was obvious that Katie was not very good. She was awful. You know what guys do - they respect your ability." And in Barnett's world, apparently "what guys do" when they don't respect your ability is rape you if you're a girl.

2. College football..... 99.99999% men. If you're gonna play with the boys and try to be one of the boys, you're gonna get talked to like you're one of the boys. They sometime use foul language and call people names. GET OVER IT. Oh, I forgot, that's not PC.
Are you reading the same story the rest of us are reading? Rape is not "foul language," nor is complaining about it "PC."

3. Why don't these women report the rapes when they happen? When did we become of society of guilty until proven innocent? That evidence has no value and accusation has all value?
One reason women don't report rape could be because when they do they get the kind of treatment you seem to want to give them, telling them to stop whining about "being called names." Who is (or at least was) the most powerful person at Colorado University, if not the whole state? Not the chancellor or the governor, but the head football coach. When he tells a woman that he will back his player "100%" if she follows through with a criminal complaint, her choice is to either shut up or risk getting screwed again.

[drjimmy]

Sorry for the double post. Slow server, quick trigger finger.

[Montfort]

In the world of professional and college sports, skill and performance on the field is everything, and certainly trumps morality or criminality. In the eyes of many of these coaches (and the boosters, too), a rapist who is a first-rate athlete is superior. They don't want their star athletes raping and killing people, but it is primarily because if they get caught, the team might be deprived of their services.

This is the down side of a highly competetive environment where performance becomes the entire measure of the person. In business or sports, criminals and moral degenerates sometimes perform exceptionally well, and they will be protected for longer than they would be protected if they were average performers. This is natural, but not laudable or to be encouraged.

[grumple]

Rape is a horrific allegation, and it should be taken seriously."

unless of course you are Bill Clinton...couldn't read any further...

[MineralMan]

"Looks like Frank Solich might finally have a shot at a new coaching job.
"

Now there's a thought. What an irony if Solich coached CU to a National Title, while Callahan is trying to force the West Coast offense on a traditional power team.

After being fired for such a "terrible" 9-3 record at Nebraska, he moves to another Big 12 team and kicks Husker butt.

I'm a Husker fan from way back, but I'd almost like this.

[dmz]

From what I've read, I don't believe that Katie was playing football with the expectation that she would be held to lower standards, or so that she could feel warm and fuzzy about herself.

I mean, let's face it, we're talking kickers here. They don't exactly set the standards for big-time macho men. LOL. Listening to many pro football players comments about kickers, one might reach the conclusion that they think the kickers are all girls.

[dfwgator]

Listening to many pro football players comments about kickers, one might reach the conclusion that they think the kickers are all girls.

Or little pipsqueak furriners, like Alex Karass said, who come out on the field saying, "I keeck a touchdown."

[Aracelis]

Once accused, the alleged perp and all his loved ones must immediately prostrate themselves?

On Tuesday, after Hnida went public with the allegation she was raped, Barnett called the former CU Buffalo a "terrible" kicker who "couldn't kick the ball through the uprights." In a statement Wednesday night, Barnett said his remarks about Hnida had been misunderstood.

I think you're missing the point. Barnett, as I understood from this article and numerous radio comments, has been put on leave because of his statements comcerning Hnida.

If the allegations prove true, what do Barnett's statements say about him and his attitudes? In my mind, they mean Barnett gave at least tacit approval to his players using Hnida for the only thing she was really good for in their eyes - RAPE.

[Dead Dog]

Careful, she didn't force her way onto this team. She was #1 Invited to walk on #2 Re-invited by GB #3 Allowed to stay on and expend valuable team resources.

GB obviously didn't like having her their, but she obviously had support from someone on the team...probably her position coaches.

My take on this is, had GB not been a big pu$$y none of this would have happend!

If she truley was "horrible" then she would have been gone. If not, than Barnett was too big of a sissy to stand up to campus feminazis.

Barnett was also to much of a sissy to assert leadership to a group of impressionable youth. She wasn't raped because she had imposed herself on a male sport, she was raped because the individule though he could. The systematic abuse this woman went through gradually escallated until she eventually was raped. Had Barnett lead, and dealt with this in the beginning, it would never have happend. He allowed a vaccum in command, and 19 year olds filled it. This falls directly on Barnetts hand. We can argue for and against women in NCAA football (I'm against it), but she earned a place on the team, and Barnett failed in his responsibilites to lead.

She is also the daugher of a US Army Col. now serving in Iraq. She has as much to do with NOW as Ann Coulter. Had the daughter of anyone here, Barnett would take a bullet.

Quite Frankly, she looks pretty butch for a kicker:)

[Jaded]

Title IX

[Right Wing Professor]

Oh, for heaven's sake. He criticized her kicking; he didn't say she wasn't raped. As a Husker, I hate the Buffaloes, but this is going too far.

Why don't we just make football a single-sex sport, like women's volleyball? Women kickers come along every now again. They perform marginally, never make first string, and are always one blown snap away from a major injury.

[Dead Dog]

Because she was a hell of a good kicker in HS. And why not, very few kickers can tackle anyhow.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Title IX (which is ludicrous in my opinion) requires equality in numbers between male and female athletes at the university, it doesn't require a head coach to put a player on a team who he obviously feels doesn't have the talent to be there.