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Bush Amnesty Sparks Surge in Border Crossings
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111818,00.html ^ | February 19, 2004 | Matt Hayes

Posted on 02/19/2004 7:05:58 AM PST by VU4G10

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:39:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

On Jan. 27, the Copley News Service reported that shortly after President Bush announced his plans to amnesty millions of illegal aliens in the U.S., more than half of the Mexicans trying to sneak into the U.S. through San Ysidro (search) told authorities they were doing so to position themselves for the amnesty.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; borderpatrol; bush; illegalaliens; illegaliens; illigration; mobybait; nationalsecurity
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1 posted on 02/19/2004 7:05:59 AM PST by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10
-and who didn't see that one coming?
2 posted on 02/19/2004 7:07:58 AM PST by tioga
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To: VU4G10
bump
3 posted on 02/19/2004 7:08:18 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: VU4G10
Thanks, W. We really appreciate you encouraging more people we don't need to come here.

4 posted on 02/19/2004 7:08:49 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: tioga
"In the last several weeks, a staggering 90 percent of all illegal aliens intercepted in one sector in southern Texas claim they’ve come for the amnesty"
5 posted on 02/19/2004 7:10:00 AM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: VU4G10
Why?...why would the President who is waging a war on terror ...leave the back door open to these same terrorists to infiltrate....?

At the same time allow millions of criminals access to Americas heartland....

They are not just poor folks looking for work...these are also hard core criminals coming over as well...Methamphetamine courriers and dealers...Mexican Mafia...Central American drug cartel mules..

We got American haters from every nation on earth crossing our wide open borders....
They are even picking up Chinese crossing over from Mexico

Abre los ojos...El Presidente Jorge Arbusto.....por favor...
7 posted on 02/19/2004 7:11:31 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: VU4G10
You forgot this blurb about the author of this article.

Matt Hayes began practicing immigration law shortly after graduating from Pace University School of Law in 1994, representing new immigrants in civil and criminal matters. He is the author of The New Immigration Law and Practice, to be published in October.

Semma that Mr. Hayes is getting his order from the Kerry/Moby group.

8 posted on 02/19/2004 7:11:38 AM PST by Dane
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To: VU4G10
Misleading headline because no numbers are cited. It has the look of a liberal hit piece.
9 posted on 02/19/2004 7:11:42 AM PST by #3Fan (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073931/posts)
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To: Bikers4Bush

Vote Dubya!

Because this counry's borders NEED to be as wide open as Monica's mouth!


10 posted on 02/19/2004 7:12:01 AM PST by KantianBurke (Principles, not blind loyalty)
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To: Lady Eileen
Bring a few folks from non-border states down here to Texas. I assure you they will leave with an opinion they we already have major problems...
11 posted on 02/19/2004 7:12:41 AM PST by devane617
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To: VU4G10
How could a "PROPOSED" new immigration law be ENFORCED or NOT, when it is NOT been even debated much less ENACTED? This article is BS IMHO.
12 posted on 02/19/2004 7:12:46 AM PST by PISANO (Our troops...... will NOT tire...will NOT falter.....and WILL NOT FAIL!!!)
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To: #3Fan; VU4G10
Take a look at reply #9.

VU intentionally left out the little blurb about the author at the end of the article.

13 posted on 02/19/2004 7:13:14 AM PST by Dane
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To: KantianBurke
Because this counry's borders NEED to be as wide open as Monica's mouth!

Hi KB. An ironic quote from someone, IMO, who speakes out of his posterior oriface about anything in regards to Bush.

BTW, see reply #9 and the information that was intentionally left out.

15 posted on 02/19/2004 7:15:33 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Yep. Plus it quotes those good-'ole federal union members. :^)
16 posted on 02/19/2004 7:17:23 AM PST by #3Fan (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073931/posts)
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To: dusty99994
A liberal hit piece? IF CLINTON DID ANYTHING even close to this plan and this article came out you all would be up in arms.

No I wouldn't. Reagan granted an actual amnesty. Even Tancredo's plan offers guest-worker status like Bush's.

17 posted on 02/19/2004 7:19:00 AM PST by #3Fan (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073931/posts)
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To: VU4G10
Every year around this time the attempted crossings into our country begins to rise. The end of Feb and beginning of March alway show a spike in attempts. Common sense points to the Spring Season. Lots of farmers will be hiring cheap laborors around this time. Yes, they may say it is for the amnesty, but I believe amnesty or no amnesty, they would have still attempted to cross the border. Even without amnesty the illegals were being taken care of by our tax dollars.
18 posted on 02/19/2004 7:21:16 AM PST by AfghanIraqVeteran (IYAAYAS)
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To: devane617
Bring a few folks from non-border states down here to Texas. I assure you they will leave with an opinion they we already have major problems...

You don't have to be in a border state to see the major influx of Latino's. Here in SE Tennessee and neighboring North Georgia it is very apparent.

19 posted on 02/19/2004 7:24:08 AM PST by Thermalseeker
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To: #3Fan
You forgot this blurb about the author of this article.

Matt Hayes began practicing immigration law shortly after graduating from Pace University School of Law in 1994, representing new immigrants in civil and criminal matters. He is the author of The New Immigration Law and Practice, to be published in October.

Semma that Mr. Hayes is getting his order from the Kerry/Moby group

Exactly. As if the doors weren't open before Dubya said anything. Let's go back to thinking that doing nothing will help. Let's also look at how Massachusetts has handled the immigration issue...ever been to Lawrence? No Democrat or Republican is going to use SWAT teams to round up illegals. Sorry, ain't gonna happen. Let's not lose the war because we don't like a particular stategery on the battlefied. Let's not be "principled" Republican and help elect Kerry who will truly open the doors.

20 posted on 02/19/2004 7:24:13 AM PST by rhombus
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To: VU4G10
Predictable from the very first. I also said this would happen, because it's what happened the last time.

I still support President Bush for reelection, but this proposal was a big mistake for our country and a stupid political mistake for Bush. I hope it doesn't cost us the kind of majority in the Senate that would let Bush appoint some decent judges and make it easier for him to pursue the war on terror.
21 posted on 02/19/2004 7:24:27 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: #3Fan; VU4G10
It is quite ironic that VU, an anti-immigrant advocate, posts an article by an immigration lawyer, whose specialty is to help immigrants stay in this country.

This was posted in Fox News's view section and they appropriately stated that Mr. Hayes was an immigration advocate, while VU4G10 left that fact out.

22 posted on 02/19/2004 7:25:48 AM PST by Dane
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To: Cicero; VU4G10
See reply #9 and the information VU4G10 left out.
23 posted on 02/19/2004 7:27:02 AM PST by Dane
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To: rhombus
Let's go back to thinking that doing nothing will help.

In the context of the article, doing nothing would've been the better option.

24 posted on 02/19/2004 7:27:15 AM PST by skeeter
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To: PISANO
"The FIRST job is to secure our borders" GW Bush in his SOTU address. Is he waiting for a Nuke to come across?
25 posted on 02/19/2004 7:28:46 AM PST by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: skeeter
In the context of the article, doing nothing would've been the better option.

Agreed. Nonetheless we have to do something. We are supposed to be the party that faces reality and takes action. Unfortunately there's a lot of Rats in the road ahead.

26 posted on 02/19/2004 7:30:26 AM PST by rhombus
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To: KantianBurke
Lol!
27 posted on 02/19/2004 7:30:46 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: skeeter
In the context of the article, doing nothing would've been the better option.

See reply #9, this seems to be a Kerry/Moby tactic, given the author's chosen profession.

Here's the original link to the Kerry/Moby gambit.

Punk the Prez- Moby's - anti-Bush tricks

28 posted on 02/19/2004 7:31:39 AM PST by Dane
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To: Bikers4Bush
Lol!

Looks like the laugh is on you. See reply #9.

29 posted on 02/19/2004 7:32:56 AM PST by Dane
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To: rhombus
Exactly.
30 posted on 02/19/2004 7:45:37 AM PST by #3Fan (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073931/posts)
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To: Miss Marple; Howlin; #3Fan; VU4G10; KantianBurke; Bikers4Bush; skeeter; Cicero
See reply #8. MM and Howlin, looks like the Moby group is posting views on Fox News. That's okay but it seems that some are picking it up to give their views "conservative credibility". Of course Fox states the profession of the writer, something that VU4G10 didn't think was important.

KB, B4Bush, Skeeter and Cicero. You should be directed towards reply #8, not #9, sorry for the error.

31 posted on 02/19/2004 7:46:00 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
It is quite ironic that VU, an anti-immigrant advocate, posts an article by an immigration lawyer, whose specialty is to help immigrants stay in this country. This was posted in Fox News's view section and they appropriately stated that Mr. Hayes was an immigration advocate, while VU4G10 left that fact out.

Kinda like Buchanon when he teamed up with a socialist. lol

32 posted on 02/19/2004 7:47:21 AM PST by #3Fan (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073931/posts)
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To: KantianBurke
Is that the best you can come up with? Pathetic, but the DNC thanks you!
33 posted on 02/19/2004 7:47:37 AM PST by Howlin
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To: VU4G10
WWKD
34 posted on 02/19/2004 7:48:37 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: VU4G10
Officers of the Border Patrol have now been directed to ask a set of questions of the illegal aliens they apprehend running across the border.

By who?

35 posted on 02/19/2004 7:49:11 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Dane
How is the laugh on me if the information is true? I could care less who the messenger is, I'm concerned with the details of what is happening and if illegals are streaming across looking for the supposed amnesty we have an even bigger problem than before.

36 posted on 02/19/2004 7:52:31 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: joesnuffy
Why?...why would the President who is waging a war on terror ...leave the back door open to these same terrorists to infiltrate....?

Because Jughead needs a reichstag event just as much as Clinton (OKC) in order to hold on to his job at this point.

37 posted on 02/19/2004 7:55:06 AM PST by Jim Cane
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To: rhombus
Agreed. Nonetheless we have to do something. We are supposed to be the party that faces reality and takes action.

We sure should. What I cannot understand is why the president's policy isn't to enforce the employers sanction provisions from the last amnesty. It is the morally correct course of action & as a side benefit would be a wildly popular move - if the polls on the subject are correct.

Then we would've avoided this entire mess with NO new programs.

38 posted on 02/19/2004 8:04:00 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter
We sure should. What I cannot understand is why the president's policy isn't to enforce the employers sanction provisions from the last amnesty. It is the morally correct course of action & as a side benefit would be a wildly popular move - if the polls on the subject are correct.

Then we would've avoided this entire mess with NO new programs.

Yes, this would seem to make sense and the Rats wounld never object to heavy fines being levied on corporations. I find it hard to believe that they have such a strong lobbying influence. Is this the problem?

39 posted on 02/19/2004 8:15:09 AM PST by rhombus
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To: VU4G10
I think this will lose him more votes than anything but what is the alternative?
40 posted on 02/19/2004 8:17:32 AM PST by dalebert
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To: rhombus
Is this the problem?

Neither party's hands are clean in this illegal immigration mess.

41 posted on 02/19/2004 8:18:15 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Neither party's hands are clean in this illegal immigration mess.

Much like the war on drugs.

42 posted on 02/19/2004 8:25:43 AM PST by rhombus
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To: VU4G10
Bush is an accessory to the Illegal Alien Crime Wave
43 posted on 02/19/2004 8:26:42 AM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: Bikers4Bush
The point is that this is an article written by someone who makes his living defending illegals, and is no doubt actually far more tolerant of them than you are. Because his motive is to divide conservatives so that someone like Kerry can win the election, his facts are suspect.

The democrats are getting very clever with manipulating information and pushing our hot buttons. Dane is pointing out that the author of this may have other motives than calling our attention to the immigration problem.

44 posted on 02/19/2004 8:27:07 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: VU4G10
S U R P R I S E !!

45 posted on 02/19/2004 8:27:59 AM PST by traumer (Even paranoids have enemies)
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To: Dane; #3Fan
"the information that was intentionally left out."

So what, maybe he is just doing the job that other lawyers won't do. It says immigrants, not illegal immigrants, immigrants (legal included) need lawyers too. If they get busted for something, they can be kicked out of the country. What is wrong with specializing in a certain aspect of law? Would you rather have a lawyer that specialized in the situation you are in, thus knowing the best defense, or someone that does a little this and a little that? Doctors do it, why not lawyers or is it that just because they are lawyers? That being the case, sounds like you are stereotyping. But Daney would never do that!

"throughout the world. Mexico, it seems, is now regarded the world over as the doorway to the United States......
Along with the Nicaraguans, Brazilians, Venezuelans, Ecuadorians, and Chileans, agents of the Border Patrol now encounter Chinese, Pakistanis, and Indians."

I think this is the most dangerous point, this is why we need to protect the borders. Bush's plan does nothing for this.

" see reply #9"

Just because there are no numbers, does not mean that it is a liberal hit piece. If someone in the GOP said that something asked of people got 90% or any % of a certain responce without giving numbers, you would believe that as gospel. However, this being a lawyer, or one that specializes in immigration law, makes it a liberal hit piece. Ever think that maybe that it is true? How about you asking some border agents to see if the story is correct. I will bet that if you ask a few, they will say that the fact is that the story is correct.
46 posted on 02/19/2004 8:31:29 AM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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To: VU4G10
bump for further review
47 posted on 02/19/2004 8:32:30 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: VU4G10
I TOLD YA! Tidal Wave Alert!
48 posted on 02/19/2004 8:33:30 AM PST by winker
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To: Miss Marple
The party line doesn't get it in this situation. Bush's plan is a disaster. While the dems are worse, Bush's 'plan' only makes a terrible mess more terrible.The American people don't want this garbage. If the pubs had any sense and wanted Bush to win they would close the border and start deporting illegals.
49 posted on 02/19/2004 8:33:41 AM PST by novacation
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To: devane617
"Bring a few folks from non-border states down here to Texas. I assure you they will leave with an opinion they we already have major problems..."

I think that a few posters here should visit the border states, seems that they are in denial.
50 posted on 02/19/2004 8:33:41 AM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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