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Local Dad Shocked By Sex Charges Against Him (gave daughter condoms)
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Posted on 02/19/2004 8:40:09 AM PST by chance33_98

Local Dad Shocked By Sex Charges Against Him

Man Must Register As Sex Offender

POSTED: 6:45 pm EST February 18, 2004 UPDATED: 8:38 pm EST February 18, 2004

A man who police say provided condoms for his daughter to have sex appeared in court for a preliminary hearing Wednesday, Local 4 reported.

Mike Schrake (pictured, left) told Local 4 he was only trying to protect his 15-year-old daughter when he contacted police after discovering the man his daughter was having sex with lied about his age.

"The father believed that the suspect was only 18 years old having sex with his 15-year-old daughter. He then found out that the suspect was actually 20 years old," said Lt. Dan Kolke of the Fraser Police Department.

The teen's father went to Fraser police to file a complaint against Ronald Gossage (pictured, below), but police were apparently just as concerned with the fact that he was letting his teenage daughter have sex at all.

"You feel like you're doing the right thing. They seem more interested in jailing me than the other guy," said Schrake.

Police say Schrake allowed Gossage to sleep in the same bed as his daughter and also provided them with condoms.

But Schrake denied those allegations. He said he let Gossage stay at his house in the fall of 2003, but never consented to him having sex with his daughter.

"I gave my daughter condoms back in the summer before she even knew this guy, when I found out she was no longer a virgin since age of 14," said Schrake.

Schrake pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor, but was reportedly still having difficulty dealing with the situation because he is not permitted to see his three children.

Police say as a part of the plea agreement, Schrake must register as a sex offender. He must also continue to go through the court system so he can move back in with his family, the station reported.

Gossage, who faces three counts of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree, is expected to appear in circuit court in March.

Local 4 learned that in the state of Michigan, sex is a crime if both consenting parties aren't at least 17 years old.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: sexoffenders
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1 posted on 02/19/2004 8:40:10 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Mom takes her daughter to the dr. to get bc pills--that's just fine. Dad gives daughter condoms--toss him in jail.

This is insane.
2 posted on 02/19/2004 8:42:49 AM PST by zook
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To: chance33_98
That'll sure teach him for going to the cops to report a crime against his daughter.
3 posted on 02/19/2004 8:45:07 AM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: chance33_98
I think this guy is a lousy father, but prosecution is totally unwarranted if this article is accurate.
4 posted on 02/19/2004 8:46:54 AM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: chance33_98
It is perfectly clear that this guy is in hot water only because he is not teacher at her school.
5 posted on 02/19/2004 8:47:39 AM PST by highnoon (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: chance33_98
No man is safe. Especially in the state of Michigan. He needs to keep a tighter rope on his daughter. Sex at fifteen? Enough said.
6 posted on 02/19/2004 8:48:17 AM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: zook
Of course. Children are supposed to get condoms in their public schools. Everyone knows that.
7 posted on 02/19/2004 8:48:50 AM PST by stop_fascism
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To: KellyAdmirer
Isn't it the case that schools distribute condoms to 15 year olds all the time? Aren't they, at times, distributed freely to basically anyone?

I'd tell the authorities to go to hell. They'd just have to shoot me.
8 posted on 02/19/2004 8:49:06 AM PST by zook
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To: chance33_98
What the hell is this BS? They can hand out condoms at school but a parent can't give them to their kid?

This is completely nuts!
9 posted on 02/19/2004 8:52:45 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: chance33_98
He should have never pled, should have fought it out in court. Been said already, but he should have told the cops to go f* themselves and then go out and deal with the old guy messing with his daughter on his own.
10 posted on 02/19/2004 8:54:01 AM PST by CommiesAreDirtySlugs
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To: chance33_98
There has to be more to this story.
11 posted on 02/19/2004 8:56:41 AM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: chance33_98
A man who police say provided condoms for his daughter to have sex appeared in court for a preliminary hearing Wednesday, Local 4 reported.

What was this father thinking, only schools are allowed to hand out condoms.

12 posted on 02/19/2004 8:56:53 AM PST by The_Victor
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To: writer33
He needs to keep a tighter rope on his daughter. Sex at fifteen? Enough said.

I lost my virginity a week shy of my 16th birthday so that made me 15 when I first had sex. The experience didn't ruin my life, and I have no regrets. And if you tell your kids not to have sex until they're married or 18 or whatever and they disobey you, what do you do? Lock them up? Spank them? Send them to religious school? (BTW, I lost my virginity in the church cemetary to girl I met at church youth group.)

13 posted on 02/19/2004 8:59:16 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: writer33
No man is safe. Especially in the state of Michigan. He needs to keep a tighter rope on his daughter. Sex at fifteen? Enough said.

Actually she was having sex at 14. At 15 your parents give you the condoms to continue.

14 posted on 02/19/2004 8:59:27 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Hey Botox Boy, why the long face?)
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To: chance33_98
He should have just confronted his daughter and jacked this 20 yr olds jaw and been done with it.
16 posted on 02/19/2004 9:03:00 AM PST by BUCKSBUD
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To: chance33_98
So following the same state logic, all our public schools should be required registrants to the list of community sex offenders.

Life is strange huh?

17 posted on 02/19/2004 9:06:50 AM PST by blackdog (Churchill si veveret, ad remum dareris!)
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To: Bikers4Bush
What the hell is this BS? They can hand out condoms at school but a parent can't give them to their kid?

It's all about the State attempting to drive home the fact that they own both you and your kids.

18 posted on 02/19/2004 9:06:59 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Labyrinthos
A church cemetary???
19 posted on 02/19/2004 9:08:50 AM PST by cyborg
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To: chance33_98
Perhaps when he found out she was having sex, some family meetings or counseling would have been better. Handing out condoms wouldn't be my first move.
20 posted on 02/19/2004 9:10:32 AM PST by cyborg
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Man. I can tell you I didn't even lose my virginity until I was 17. Thank God I don't have a daughter or son. I really feel bad for parents having to deal with kids today, especially with our public screwel systems.
21 posted on 02/19/2004 9:11:34 AM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: cyborg
Under a tree near the creek, on an "unused" protion.
22 posted on 02/19/2004 9:13:46 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
I know its not an easy to reign in children. I cannot speak from that point of view. Only the point of view of my own experiences. Of course I grew up in a small town in Texas.

My father had instilled fear into me. The last thing he wanted was for me to get someone pregnant.
23 posted on 02/19/2004 9:14:14 AM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: writer33
I was 24, if I had had it at 15 my parents wouldn't have let me live to see 16.
24 posted on 02/19/2004 9:15:58 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Hey Botox Boy, why the long face?)
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To: chance33_98
But it is OK for Planned Parenthood to give yout 15 year-old daughter an abortion without your consent.
25 posted on 02/19/2004 9:18:12 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: Labyrinthos
It's not 'unused' now is it? You defiler of church property! haaaaaaahaha I can hear my very fundamentalist friends saying 'see? That's why I don't like church youth groups.'
26 posted on 02/19/2004 9:18:12 AM PST by cyborg
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To: zook
>>Mom takes her daughter to the dr. to get bc pills--that's just fine. Dad gives daughter condoms--toss him in jail....This is insane.

If dad had take daughter to the abortionist, he'd be father of the year...insane is an understatement.
27 posted on 02/19/2004 9:18:34 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (<a href="http://moveon.org" target="blank">Communist front group</a>)
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To: Labyrinthos
hmmm...was her name Bonnie?
28 posted on 02/19/2004 9:18:57 AM PST by Khurkris (Ranger On...)
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To: chance33_98
I wonder what would happen to him if he made her wear a chastity belt?
29 posted on 02/19/2004 9:19:54 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Labyrinthos
Did you go to a Catholic school too?
30 posted on 02/19/2004 9:22:00 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: chance33_98
He deserves having Bubba teach h=im the finer points of 'sex'

"I thought he was 18 screwing my 15 yr old daughter" That is called RAPE you dumb POS!

31 posted on 02/19/2004 9:23:16 AM PST by steplock
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To: chance33_98
Don't get me wrong, I find any parent promoting sex by their teenagers to be repugnant, but...to get this straight...a SCHOOL can pass out condoms and that's okay? I don't get it.

MM
32 posted on 02/19/2004 9:24:53 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: chance33_98
Only school nurses are authorized to distribute condoms to children, but only without parental knowledge or consent.

-PJ

33 posted on 02/19/2004 9:25:44 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: steplock
Funny...if it was consensual, there was a time in history where this would not be rape...it's all relative.
34 posted on 02/19/2004 9:26:39 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: zook
Mom takes her daughter to the dr. to get bc pills--that's just fine. Dad gives daughter condoms--toss him in jail.

This isn't ust about condoms. Acording to the report, he allowed and abetted an adult to have sexual contact with a minor.

35 posted on 02/19/2004 9:28:25 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: Labyrinthos
Maybe the cops were having problems not with the condoms but the other part of his statement:

>>Police say Schrake allowed Gossage to sleep in the same
>>bed as his daughter
and also provided them with condoms.

>>But Schrake denied those allegations. He said he let
>>Gossage stay at his house in the fall of 2003
, but never
>>consented to him having sex with his daughter.

36 posted on 02/19/2004 9:36:04 AM PST by StillProud2BeFree (http://www.terrorfacts.com for Al Qaeda playing cards featuring Daleel as Joker)
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To: StillProud2BeFree
If he let them sleep in the same bed, then the issue is whether that in itself is a crime or just bad parenting. Can he be charged, for example, with aiding and abetting statutory rape? But simply allowing the guy to sleep at the house is not a crime
37 posted on 02/19/2004 10:43:52 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
(BTW, I lost my virginity in the church cemetary to girl I met at church youth group.)

Fornication and desecration isn't something to be bragged about. Be penitent, not proud.

38 posted on 02/19/2004 11:03:25 AM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: CharacterCounts
"Acording to the report, he allowed and abetted an adult to have sexual contact with a minor."

He claims he did not give his permission. But all across the nation, parents give both explicit and tacit permission all the time. They don't get prosecuted. The only way this makes any sense is if the cops have some further information that they aren't releasing, e.g., actual video of the father checking the guy's id and escorting the couple to a bedroom.

39 posted on 02/19/2004 11:16:40 AM PST by zook
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To: Dumb_Ox
I'm sorry, but I just don't share your hang-ups about sex. As far a desecration of sacred ground is concerned, I agree. Most of us have stories to tell about youthful indescretions. And if someone had complained, I'm sure we would have gone someplace else.
40 posted on 02/19/2004 11:18:00 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
I'm sorry, but I just don't share your hang-ups about sex.

Oh, so *that's* what my views are, hang-ups. Thanks for enlightening me. Your analysis is too sharp for words.

41 posted on 02/19/2004 11:34:08 AM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: Dumb_Ox
To some fornication is not evil or bad...desecration/consecration...relative concepts to some.
42 posted on 02/19/2004 11:38:43 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Man. You were an old maid. :) Just kidding! That's the thought today.
43 posted on 02/19/2004 11:50:20 AM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I was 22 & newly married. ;)
44 posted on 02/19/2004 11:55:31 AM PST by madison10
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To: stuartcr
You state the obvious. Are there any conclusions you wish to draw from that?
45 posted on 02/19/2004 1:20:55 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: Dumb_Ox
Since you say it is obvious, you should perhaps change your wording to...'I believe that fornication and desecration isn't something to be bragged about, and I think you should be penitent, not proud.'

That's my conclusion.
46 posted on 02/19/2004 6:50:47 PM PST by stuartcr
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But fornication and desecration are objective moral evils. My beliefs have nothing to do with that.

If you want to argue that, say, fornication and desecration are in fact objective goods, or at least not evils, then do so. If you want to dive into ethical subjectivism and stop the discussion with a sophomoric "well, that's just what you believe" then you prove yourself unwilling to enter into argument.

Here, I'll make an argument for you to enter and to refute, if you can:

Fornication is an objective moral evil, for the following reasons:

First, it infringes upon the rights of marriage. Only spouses have the right to sex. They have this right because they have already vowed themselves to each other in a gift of self. The act of physical love is the consumation and highest expression of this full gift of self. Spouses' very body language in the conjugal act speaks marriage.

Second, fornication, no matter how well contracepted, leads to illegitimate children. These children are either killed off in the womb--another evil--or raised in domestic situations where the father is not committed to the mother--vastly inferior to married households.

Third, fornication, even contracepted fornication, is a habit of passion unguided by reason. Fornicators ignore and avoid the rational good of marriage. Though their bodies speak the language of total self-gift, they do not give themselves totally to each other by an act of willed committment. Thus they are inconsistent and irrational.

Knock my arguments down, and I'll admit my opinions are nothing more than irrational belief.

47 posted on 02/19/2004 10:54:04 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: Labyrinthos
no one gives a damn about your wonderful sex orgy with a fellow church member ..

did you give her a disease?...maybe you got her pregnant....how wonderfully Christian of you.....

a father should never make excuses for his 15 year olds to be engaging in sex, I don't care if he thought the guy was 17...it makes no differance...

I am beyond the idea of "saving it" because that might be too much to ask in our sexually charged rotten culture, but at least can we lenghten our kids childhoods so they might still enjoy their tender years before getting into all the complications of sexuality?

no one seems to care about young people anymore...we think that encouraging them to act like grown adults that we are just being good to them...

well, were not....

48 posted on 02/19/2004 11:06:51 PM PST by cherry
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To: Dumb_Ox
I have no desire to argue anything..you stated that what I said was obvious, and you asked for a conclusion.

Personally, I believe, as are most if not all moral viewpoints, that they are morally relative...not objective moral evils.

There's no arguement to be had...what is considered good/evil now, most likely was not at some time in the past and maybe in the future...that's just the way it is.

Please offer proof that only spouses have the right to sex.

Fornication that does not result in a pregnancy obviously does not lead to illegitimate children.

Please offer proof that fornication is an unguided passion, and that a willed commitment is necessary for a man and woman to be satisfied.

There's only one caveat...you can't use the bible as proof.

Your beliefs are not irrational, just the behavior you exhibit in trying to pass them off as truths, and the apparent inability to accept others beliefs that are not in agreement with yours.
49 posted on 02/20/2004 5:45:20 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: cherry
My guess is that Labyrinthos was not encouraged by adults...I bet they thought of it all by themselves!!
50 posted on 02/20/2004 5:47:28 AM PST by stuartcr
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