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Kerry's Group Met With The Viet Cong In Paris In 1971
The Winter Soldiers | 1997 | Richard Stacewicz

Posted on 02/19/2004 10:25:55 AM PST by Hon

Edited on 02/19/2004 1:14:01 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

The Vietnam Veterans Against The War (VVAW) sent their own delegation to Paris to meet with the representatives of the National Liberation Front (AKA Viet Cong) in 1971. At this time John Kerry was their spokesman and defacto leader.

This photograph is from the book "The Winter Soldiers", by Richard Stacewicz, page 284:

Caption: First peace meeting between VVAW and the NLF, Paris, 1971.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1971; 2004; kerry; kerryparis; kerryrecord; paris; sleazebag; vietcong; vietgate; vietnam; vvaw
Among other things, I believe it is against the law for private citizens to negotiate with other countries.
1 posted on 02/19/2004 10:25:58 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Who needs Hanoi Jane when you've got the VC?
2 posted on 02/19/2004 10:28:12 AM PST by TomServo ("What a day. I invented Gainesburgers and I didn't even mean to!")
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To: Hon
Can you see Kerry in the picture? I sure hope so. Heheheheh.
3 posted on 02/19/2004 10:29:19 AM PST by EggsAckley ({...................troll patrol........on duty...................})
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To: Hon
Hmmm. Thats funny, I havent heard any mention of Kerrys "Hate America" phase in the mainstream media..
4 posted on 02/19/2004 10:29:23 AM PST by cardinal4 (Terrence Maculiffe-Ariolimax columbianus (hint- its a gastropod.....)
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To: Hon
What other photos are in that book?
5 posted on 02/19/2004 10:29:53 AM PST by Dog
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To: Dog
skunk !
6 posted on 02/19/2004 10:31:13 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: EggsAckley
I don't know if Kerry went on the trip. There is very little actual description of the trip in this book or the other book about the VVAW that I am reading, Home To War.

But that one guy does look like Kerry's partner in leadership of the VVAW, Al Hubbard.
7 posted on 02/19/2004 10:32:07 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
"I believe it is against the law for private citizens to negotiate with other countries"

Wasn't that part of the original 13th Amendment? That included it being illegal to accept titles and citizenship from other countries? It reules that attornies, as Officers of the Court (a UK title) where ineligeble to also be members of the Legislative (senators & reps etc) or executive branches of govt.

The last school book I have been able to find with reference to the Original 13th amendment was dated around 1950.

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

http://www.gohotsprings.com/focus/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=685
8 posted on 02/19/2004 10:32:27 AM PST by steplock
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McCain: Testimony by Kerry and others before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against us."
U.S. News & World Report 05/14/1973 via newsmax.com


10 posted on 02/19/2004 10:34:31 AM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: Hon
We have already had two(the Clintoons)anti-Americans in the White House. We don't need or want any more.
12 posted on 02/19/2004 10:41:37 AM PST by freekitty
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To: Hon
Met with the VC in Paris --- big deal. These punks met with the frigging KBG every time they looked in the mirror.
13 posted on 02/19/2004 10:42:59 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Hon
More Treasonous Hanoi John stuff:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

http://www.25thaviation.org/johnkerry/

http://www.nojohnkerry.org/page2.htm
14 posted on 02/19/2004 10:47:26 AM PST by wadeintothem (www.NoJohnKerry.org - Stop Hanoi John!)
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To: All
On my browser the photo at the top sometimes shows up as a red x. If that happens to you, just right click on it and click on "show picture" and it should appear.
15 posted on 02/19/2004 10:47:41 AM PST by Hon
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To: Ditto
"Met with the VC in Paris --- big deal."

I know you are being facetious, but one reason this is newsworthy is because much of the reaction to the Kerry Fonda connection revealed here:

John Kerry At Valley Forge (With Jane Fonda)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1074369/posts

Was to say, so what? Jane Fonda didn't go to Hanoi and consort with the enemy until two years later--and Kerry even spoke against her at that time.

Well, it turns out that Kerry's OWN organization was consorting with the enemy--when he was the defacto head of it.

In fact, this might even be seen as more serious than what Jane Fonda did. She just posed with them and made some speeches. She didn't pretend to be negotiating with them.
16 posted on 02/19/2004 10:50:51 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
John Kerry was not dumb enough to meet directly with the Vietcong. He left that to his flunkies.But I'll bet Bill Clinton met plenty of times with commies when he "studied" in the UK and visited USSR. Clinton's blackmail file (by the Russians) may have started back then.
17 posted on 02/19/2004 10:52:29 AM PST by dennisw ("Cuz we'll put a boot in your ass it's the American way" - Toby Keith)
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To: TomServo
In-the-do-not-trust-dept: John Kerry plans to appoint Ms. Jane Fonda as Director of Homeland Securiety after taking office. Ms. Fonda, as part of an efficency effort, will outsource most computer positions to China.
18 posted on 02/19/2004 11:01:02 AM PST by BamaTalker I
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To: steplock
It reules that attornies, as Officers of the Court (a UK title) where ineligeble to also be members of the Legislative (senators & reps etc) or executive branches of govt

Attorneys are members of US courts, so it's not a foreign title. You might as well argue that beauty Queens and high school prom Kings be forever ineligible to serve in governmental positions.

Even if this so called "original 13th amendment was real, this would be a unwarranted interpretation of it. Sort of like something the Supreme Court might do.

19 posted on 02/19/2004 11:01:46 AM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: All
Here is the "People's Peace Treaty" that Kerry and the VVAW and signed on to and which they demanded the US sign with North Vietnam and the National Liberation Front:

Joint Treaty of Peace

Between the People of The United States of America, South Vietnam and North Vietnam

Preamble

Be it known that the American people and the Vietnamese people are not enemies. The war is carried out in the names of the people of the United States and South Vietnam, but without our consent. It destroys the land and people of Vietnam. It drains America of its resources, its youth, and its honor.

We hereby agree to end the war on the following terms, so that both peoples can live under the joy of independence and can devote themselves to building a society based on human equality and respect for the earth. In rejecting the war we also reject all forms of racism and discrimination against people based on color, class, sex, national origin, and ethnic grouping which form the basis of the war policies, past and present, of the United States government.

Terms of Peace Treaty

  1. The Americans agree to immediate and total withdrawal from Vietnam, and publicly to set the date by which all U.S. military forces will be removed.
  2. The Vietnamese pledge that as soon as the U. S. government publicly sets a date for total withdrawal: they will enter discussions to secure the release of all American prisoners, including pilots captured while bombing North Vietnam.
  3. There will be an immediate cease-fire between U. S. forces and those led by the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam.
  4. They will enter discussions on the procedures to guarantee the safety of all withdrawing troops.
  5. The Americans pledge to end the imposition of Thieu-Ky-Khiem on the people of South Vietnam in order to insure their right to self-determination and so that all political prisoners can be released.
  6. The Vietnamese pledge to form a provisional coalition government to organize democratic elections. All parties agree to respect the results of elections in which all South Vietnamese can participate freely without the presence of any foreign troops.
  7. The South Vietnamese pledge to enter discussion of procedures to guarantee the safety and political freedom of those South Vietnamese who have collaborated with the U. S. or with U. S. -supported regimes.
  8. The Americans and Vietnamese agree to respect the independence, peace and neutrality of Laos and Cambodia in accord with the 1954 and 1962 Geneva Conventions and not to interfere in the internal affairs of these two countries.
  9. Upon these points of agreement, we pledge to end the war and resolve all other questions in the spirit of self-determination and mutual respect for the independence and political freedom of the people of Vietnam and the United States.

Pledge

By ratifying this agreement, we pledge to take whatever actions are appropriate to implement the terms of the People to people Treaty and to insure its acceptance by the government of the United States.

http://www.davka.org/what/theleft/peoplespeacetreatyvietnam.html

20 posted on 02/19/2004 11:08:26 AM PST by Hon
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To: sirshackleton
Right Behind HanoiJane!
Its Brad Pitt!
21 posted on 02/19/2004 11:11:21 AM PST by NobleEagle2004
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To: Mich0127
BUMP!
22 posted on 02/19/2004 11:12:54 AM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7
A VVAW flier of the period claims ''American soldiers'' commit atrocities ''every day'' against ''the Vietnamese simply because they are 'Gooks.'''

http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak19.html

23 posted on 02/19/2004 11:28:30 AM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: steplock
Wasn't that part of the original 13th Amendment? That included it being illegal to accept titles and citizenship from other countries?

That's an urban legend.

24 posted on 02/19/2004 11:35:58 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Interesting Times
And more...
25 posted on 02/19/2004 11:39:07 AM PST by The Shrew (RightTalk - The New NPR)
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To: sirshackleton
John Cusak on the far left also
26 posted on 02/19/2004 11:46:54 AM PST by Range Rover (Greenpeace is a cult)
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To: Hon
I feel like Charlie Brown. All I got was a lousy red X.
27 posted on 02/19/2004 12:21:09 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: Hon
I still get a red x.
28 posted on 02/19/2004 12:22:17 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: Hon
Excellent job!
29 posted on 02/19/2004 12:26:23 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Hey Botox Boy, why the long face?)
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To: sirshackleton
I love that photo even if it's faked. Gives me Cat Ballou flashbacks every time.
30 posted on 02/19/2004 12:30:27 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Hon
Tim Graham over on the Corner:
KERRY'S GOT 'SPLAINING TO DO [Tim Graham] Marc Morano has the goods from Kerry's anti-war book.

In the book's epilogue, which begins on page 158, Kerry sums up his views on the war by writing, "We were sent to Vietnam to kill Communism. But we found instead that we were killing women and children." In the book, Kerry states that Vietnamese citizens "didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy" and he instead blamed the United States for causing chaos in Vietnam.

"In the process we created a nation of refugees, bomb craters, amputees, orphans, widows, and prostitutes, and we gave new meaning to the words of the Roman historian Tacitus: 'Where they made a desert they called it peace,'" Kerry explained...

Kerry predicted that as a result of their experiences during the war, veterans like himself "will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars...We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim," he wrote. Don't count on Kerry at those conventions this year.

Posted at 11:33 AM


31 posted on 02/19/2004 12:32:41 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: sphinx
That photo is not faked.

There was another picture, completely different, which was.

32 posted on 02/19/2004 12:33:50 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
It could be that the server hosting it is bogged down. I'm in the process of getting it on to another server.
33 posted on 02/19/2004 12:34:39 PM PST by Hon
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To: sphinx
"I love that photo even if it's faked. Gives me Cat Ballou flashbacks every time."

Thanks again, Registered!
34 posted on 02/19/2004 12:35:30 PM PST by Hon
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To: Axiom Nine
ping
35 posted on 02/19/2004 12:37:16 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: sphinx
Naw, that photo is legit....it's a different one showing Fonda and Kerry on a stage together that's the fake one...
36 posted on 02/19/2004 12:49:41 PM PST by sirshackleton
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To: William McKinley
The photo is now on a better server, and it should now be visible to you and the rest of the world.
37 posted on 02/19/2004 1:20:46 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
I see it.

I am doubtful that we will get much traction out of it though. The media is looking to ignore photos now, and on top of it the photo does not even have him in it (or any other recognizable people, for that matter).

But you are right, this clearly shows that at the time Kerry was involved with the VVAW, they were useful idiots for the VietCong.

38 posted on 02/19/2004 1:53:06 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
"I am doubtful that we will get much traction out of it though. The media is looking to ignore photos now, and on top of it the photo does not even have him in it (or any other recognizable people, for that matter).

But you are right, this clearly shows that at the time Kerry was involved with the VVAW, they were useful idiots for the Viet Cong."

Well, the photo just documents that they did indeed meet with the Viet Cong.

I still hold out hopes that some in the media can still read and do not have to be told everything in pictures. Of course the way they treated the Jane Fonda and John Kerry story has shaken my confidence in that belief.

But you know, this is pretty damn damnable. Whether the mainstream media ever pick it up or not, it should be made known somehow.
39 posted on 02/19/2004 2:08:53 PM PST by Hon
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To: Lurking Libertarian
That's an urban legend?

To ALL of you who insist this amendment is a fake? I feel sorry that you have already been brainwashed.

If this were truly an "urban legend", why the hell would I have been taught this in school back in the 50's?

I was raised outside the USA so I learned history without the progaganda of the major parties. I was taught this in school and there are some of you out there that can remember this (vaguely). I was born in 1951, so it has not been that many years ago.

Again - I feel sorry for those of you who do not remember what FREEDOM really was......
40 posted on 02/19/2004 3:13:44 PM PST by steplock
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To: All
Here is some more specific information about this meeting. It is from "Home To War" by Gerald Nicosia, p. 103. It gives a more exact time frame for when VVAW had members in Paris talking to the NLF (Viet Cong):

"Even as Shoup was speaking [March 16, 1971], VVAW had two representatives in Paris--including Native American veteran Mike Hunter, a former airborne ranger with a Silver Star--offering their apologies to the North Vietnamese for the genocide that had occurred at My Lai and elsewhere in Vietnam. Unfortunately, that private peace offering never made the papers."

42 posted on 02/24/2004 3:01:39 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
"Among other things, I believe it is against the law for private citizens to negotiate with other countries."

If one more Republican offers lamely - defensively, in response to a Lib challenger; ("are you questioning Senator Kerry's patriotism; or his war record; or his service to his country???!!! ). . .

. . .or just as a preface to his name ie. . .the 'patriotic Kerry qualifier'; I may disable my TV or damage myself in a hurl against the nearest hard surface.

Buck up Repubs there is a war going on here.

The Demrats distort and transform facts with a pathological viciousness; while at the same time, give warning of the Republican Attack Machine.

And we are afraid to just state the truth!

This MO is becoming, no doubt; a health hazard to many patient Republicans.

43 posted on 03/06/2004 6:08:08 AM PST by cricket
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To: Dog
I was there. Kilroy
44 posted on 04/07/2004 7:03:51 PM PDT by Tommie Paine
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To: Hon
You would be correct.

If you haven't been elected to office - you have no explicit authority to act for America or in America's interests. To negotiate as if you do is TREASON!!

I cannot believe democrats actually want such a person to be their president. After all .. if he's willing to do that with NO AUTHORITY .. what will he do if he has authority ..??
45 posted on 04/07/2004 7:38:17 PM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Hon

THIS NEEDS A BUMP

MEGA-

Stay Strong
Fuzzy

46 posted on 07/05/2004 3:57:58 AM PDT by fuzzy122
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To: Hon

"Build Unity to Take Back Our Country in 2004!: Defeat Bush and the Ultra Right!

by Joelle Fishman, Chair, Political Action Committee, CPUSA, 31.01.2004 00:00
The 2004 election is a turning point that will make history one way or the other. The backdrop is the mighty battle being waged by right-wing capitalist interests for hegemony over all the world's resources, markets and labor. The shocking disparity between wealth and poverty worldwide, and the never-ending search for new sources of profit, set the stage for sharp conflict."

This is on the home page of the CPUSA. Obviously, we missed something, if they "want THEIR country back" I assume this means that at some point they had it. Was this under the Clinton administration?


47 posted on 07/14/2004 6:38:58 PM PDT by Toespi (,)
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To: Toespi

excerpt from Masters of Deceit: The Story of Communism in America and How to Fight It, by J. Edgar Hoover, 1958 *
http://www.zpub.com/notes/masters.html


48 posted on 08/23/2004 10:05:50 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: wadeintothem

Check out this site-

http://www.vietnamveteransforbush.com


49 posted on 09/21/2004 7:35:51 AM PDT by Tommie Paine (Hasinhut)
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