Scholars: Crucifixion Portrayal Inaccurate

AP News ^ | Feb 19th,2004 | PETER ENAV

[MonroeDNA]

How many angels can you fit on the head of a pin?

--recovering catholic

[Steve_Seattle]

I wonder how many of the liberal scholars like Crossan complained about historical inaccuracies or unverifiable assumptions in "The Last Temptation of Christ"?

[feedback doctor]

Zias said the question of whether Jesus was nailed to the cross or simply tied to it remains a mystery. "There is no evidence whatsoever he was nailed," he said. "The Gospels say he was crucified and leave it at that."

WOW! Isn't it amazing how one gets to be a scholar. No work at all, just say what you want. I don't know if Thomas was at the crucifixtion, but now doubt he knows what happened. Here from the book of John, chapter 20 is what he says:

24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."

[IronJack]

These attempts to debate the details are sophomoric parlor exercises that (I think intentionally) miss the bigger issue. What possible difference can it make to the larger event -- the redemption of Mankind -- if Christ's cross was "T-shaped" or other?

I suspect these arguments are a supplanting of wisdom with erudition, a strategic scheme to avoid the story's eternal lesson.

[StonyBurk]

I thought Lukes Gospel ,and Johns' were both part of the Gospel accounts? Luke24:39"Behold my hands and my feet,that
it is I myself;"May not be conclusive but does beg the question why Jesus,the Resurrected ,instructed them to look at these specific parts of His resurected body?And in John20:24-29 the account of Thomas called Didymus speaks of the print of the nails(v.25) and Jesus response (v.27)
I've seen no credible evidence NOT to believe the Gospel
accounts.

[feedback doctor]

Didn't see your post before I did mine. Also, from Psalm 22 starting in verse 16:

a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. 18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.

Maybe Mr Foxman can get the Prophets and the Psalms and the law re-written too, it seems to all point to Jesus.
Mr Foxman, you had some great forefathers, and we love you because of it!

[Fedora]

> I would like to ask them UH! So could you tell me what was the depth and the width of the Sea that G-d seperated for Moses?? also what direction were the waves going in? Uh! let's see? Oh and what kind of sand was the Israelites crossing? was it wet were there fish on the ground? any sharks? maybe they have all these cozy little details...

LOL! Yeah, that's about it--I guess they expect Mel Gibson to have a time-travel machine like they do so he could get the original event on camcorder :) I hope they are equally vigorous in their protests against film biographies of Julius Caesar which depict Caesar eating, since we don't know exactly what Caesar ate.

[Maria S]

Hence the expression, "Doubting Thomas"

[Guillermo]

And what did He show Thomas to prove who He was? Ropeburns?

[Capt. Tom]

There is also a great deal of archaeological evidence to support the use of nails. Yes they were probably put through the wrists, but that is splitting hairs.

As far as supporting the body the victims were secured with ropes and sometimes in addition to the ropes nails were used. But the body weight was carried on a projecting peg from the upright beam called a sedile. That is not mentioned in the NT but has been described by Roman writers.

The foot rest was unknown, and appeared only in Christian art.

The victims were only a foot or two off the ground. So say my sources. - Tom

[LTCJ]

"Early Christians believed that Jesus was nailed to the cross," he said. "But there is absolutely no proof of this."

A jew named Paul seemed to think so.
kai auto hrken ek tou mesou proshlwsaV auto tw staurw

And John would have had to have misquoted Thomas in the original Greek, likewise.

[Old Professer]

"Always look for the Union label??"

[Maria S]

Probably already posted; I haven't read all of the comments yet....

Greek definition of crucify: staurow // stauroo // stow-ro'-o //
1) to stake, drive down stakes
2) to fortify with driven stakes, to palisade

[StonyBurk]

And I agree. Sadly we have had too many Christian movies--
and Christian sermons where the ones telling the story --
are ashamed of --or afraid of the blood.without the blood
of the lamb there is no Salvation. do hope Mel Gibsons'
movie wakes us up -shakes us up --and causes us to look up
for our Salvation is nigh.

[Chris Talk]

This article quotes the evil apostate Crossan, now a bitter enemy of anything Christian.

[Chris Talk]

Is there any hope of our getting ADL to be declared a terrorist organization?

[Doctor Stochastic]

It's Hollywood. Why should this be any more correct (or less) than other movie offerings?

[sam I am]

Thank you for posting this. You beat me to it.
Someday every knee shall bow,every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

[Constantine XIII]

LOL!

[Rodm]

Amen, Makes you wonder if these so called experts have every read the Bible. Thomas saw the nail prints in the Savior's hands and feet