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Results of NASA experiments with Spiders and Drugs
missblackwidow.com ^ | Steve Connor

Posted on 02/20/2004 9:07:21 PM PST by Destro

Results of experiments with Spiders and Drugs

Scientists at the United States National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) have turned their attention from the mysteries of the cosmos to a more esoteric area of research: what happens when you get a spider stoned.

Their experiments have shown that common house spiders spin their webs in different ways according to the psychotropic drug they have been given. Spiders on marijuana made a reasonable stab at spinning webs but appeared to lose concentration about half-way through. Those on Benzedrine - "speed" - spin their webs "with great gusto, but apparently without much planning leaving large holes", according to New Scientist magazine.

Caffeine, one of the most common drugs consumed by Britons in soft drinks, tea and coffee, makes spiders incapable of spinning anything better than a few threads strung together at random. On chloral hydrat, an ingredient of sleeping pills, spiders "drop off before they even get started".

Nasa scientists believe the research demonstrates that web-spinning spiders can be used to test drugs because the more toxic the chemical, the more deformed was the web.

The scientists believe their previous work on the goemetry of crystals will help them to devise computer programs that can analyse web-building objectively in order to predict the toxicity of new medicines. "It appears that one of the most telling measures of toxicity is a decrease, in comparison with a normal web, of the numbers of completed sides [of a web]; the greater the toxicity, the more sides the spider fails to complete", the scientists say.

Paul Hillard, spider specialist at the Natural History Museum in London, said researchers first discovered the effects of psychotropic drugs on spiders during experiments at the end of 1960s. The researchers fed caffeine to spiders in hope of making them spin webs in the late evening rather than the early dawn. The result was eccentric webs rather than earlier spinning, he said.

Article and research by Steve Connor

Results of NASA experiments with Spiders and Drugs

The normal web of a spider.

Web created while exposed to Mescaline/Peyote.

Web created exposed to LSD.

Web created while exposed to Marijuana.

Web created exposed to Caffeine.

Web created exposed to Benzedrine/Speed.

Web created exposed to Chloral Hydrat. An ingredient found in sleeping pills.


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KEYWORDS: drugs; health; nasa; wod; wodlist
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1 posted on 02/20/2004 9:07:22 PM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
Yes but did they get the urge to ear Doritos afterwards? THAT's the important question.
2 posted on 02/20/2004 9:13:40 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Destro
Makes me wonder what the scientists were ''using'' when they thunk up this experiment.
3 posted on 02/20/2004 9:18:30 PM PST by elli1
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To: Destro
"Results of NASA experiments with Spiders and Drugs."

I don't experiment with spiders. I just step on them.

4 posted on 02/20/2004 9:23:35 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: Destro
Most abnormal one looks like the caffein
5 posted on 02/20/2004 9:29:08 PM PST by Cold Heart (If you follow the government food pyramid you will look like it)
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To: Destro
I've seen this study, or something very much like it, before. When was it published? Ages ago, I believe.
6 posted on 02/20/2004 9:29:43 PM PST by KangarooJacqui (The pen is mightier than the sword... does that make the keyboard mightier than the AK-47?)
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To: Destro
Just in case they ever encounter Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.
7 posted on 02/20/2004 9:32:29 PM PST by flying Elvis
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To: Destro
Since when are third-party pages on spiders accepted as definitive information on NASA programs?

NASA does experiments on the effects of spaceflight on spiders and other creatures. I have yet to find a NASA site that indicates NASA does any sort of drug-related experiments on spiders or any other creature.

But don't take my word for it, try your own Google search. http://www.google.com/search?q=nasa%2Bspiders%2Bdrugs
8 posted on 02/20/2004 9:33:08 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: Prime Choice; Admin Moderator
Since when are third-party pages on spiders accepted as definitive information on NASA programs?

Exactly. And since when does this qualify as "Breaking news" or "Front Page News"? Expect this to be moved to the Smokey Backroom or at the very least, General Interest/Chat before too long.
9 posted on 02/20/2004 9:35:36 PM PST by KangarooJacqui (The pen is mightier than the sword... does that make the keyboard mightier than the AK-47?)
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To: Destro
YIKES. That makes me want to stop drinking soft drinks....
10 posted on 02/20/2004 9:36:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: cyborg
this is your spider..... this is your spider on drugs
11 posted on 02/20/2004 9:37:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: GeronL
*LOL* hey I was about to post to you about jolt cola :)
12 posted on 02/20/2004 9:38:10 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Destro
This is old. What's the point of posting an old article other than flamebait?
13 posted on 02/20/2004 9:38:14 PM PST by Sir Gawain (Republicans give spineless cowards a bad name)
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To: Destro
I see a new Public Service announcement for arachnids: "This is your web...this is your web on drugs."
14 posted on 02/20/2004 9:38:41 PM PST by The Radical Capitalist
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To: Sir Gawain
smokeybackroom needs a new WOD thread?
15 posted on 02/20/2004 9:38:53 PM PST by cyborg
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To: KangarooJacqui; Prime Choice
I did not know where to place this article. There is no science section that I know of. This article is just a comment on the NASA study and I thought a fun read for Freepers. Why are you freaking out about it?
16 posted on 02/20/2004 9:40:07 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Is this a real nasa study?
17 posted on 02/20/2004 9:40:28 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Sir Gawain
Who the freak would find this article flame worthy? This article is sort of in line with science pull out sections in major newspapers.
18 posted on 02/20/2004 9:41:31 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Monty22
Yea it was.
19 posted on 02/20/2004 9:42:13 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Pointing out facts is "freaking out" in your view?

You need to get out more often, kid.
20 posted on 02/20/2004 9:42:47 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: Prime Choice
Let me know what facts you feel are in contention. Enjoy the pics.
21 posted on 02/20/2004 9:45:04 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Ok, what does it prove?
22 posted on 02/20/2004 9:45:05 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Monty22
Is this a real nasa study?

Judging from the absolute lack of mention of such programs on all NASA sites I've seen, I'd have to say no.

NASA does spaceflight experiments on spiders and other creatures, but the drug stuff isn't part of it.

23 posted on 02/20/2004 9:45:42 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: cyborg
I think I will stick to bottled water for a while
24 posted on 02/20/2004 9:45:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: Monty22
No agenda - just results of a science experiment.
25 posted on 02/20/2004 9:46:29 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: KangarooJacqui
Spider web images originally appeared in A Spider's Web by Peter N. Witt, Charles F. Reed and David B. Peakall. Copyright 1968 by Springer-Verlag.

1998

Dr. Peter N. Witt

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- Dr. Peter N. Witt, widely known for his research
involving psychoactive drugs and spiders, died Tuesday. He was 80.

Witt was born in Berlin and educated in Germany and Austria. While studying
medicine during World War II, he joined an underground group of doctors who
treated civilian casualties of the Allied bombing campaigns on German cities.

After the war he moved to Switzerland, where a Life magazine article drew the
world's attention to his work involving spiders. Witt had discovered that
psychoactive drugs such as LSD, psilocybin (psychedelic mushrooms) and
marijuana caused changes in the webs of a particular arachnid, the orb spider.

Witt was named executive director of the North Carolina Foundation of Mental
Health Research in 1966 and was director of research for the State Department
of Mental Health.



26 posted on 02/20/2004 9:48:13 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: Destro
Like 23 said, this link wreaks of BS
27 posted on 02/20/2004 9:48:24 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Prime Choice
This a well known NASA study. Maybe you were on coffee when you searched the web?
28 posted on 02/20/2004 9:48:27 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
I wonder what their webs look like after consuming nicotine or alcohol. Dare to keep spiders off of drugs!
29 posted on 02/20/2004 9:49:23 PM PST by sixmil
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To: Monty22
Like 26
30 posted on 02/20/2004 9:49:27 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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31 posted on 02/20/2004 9:50:44 PM PST by RightWingAtheist
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To: Destro
Let me know what facts you feel are in contention. Enjoy the pics.

Did you even READ my original message? Go back and read it again. Then read it once more. And, for full effect, read it AGAIN.

As I pointed out from the very start, I can find no evidence to support the claim that NASA does drug tests on any animals (arachnids include) that the author of this piece claims. NASA does do experiments on weightlessness in creatures. But I challenge anyone here to find a NASA.GOV site that puts forth this information.

This third-party site should at least have some kind of footnotes on its claims, but no such data is provided. That tells me that someone's either misremembering, or they're pulling these factoids out of their butt.

32 posted on 02/20/2004 9:50:57 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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33 posted on 02/20/2004 9:52:14 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
This a well known NASA study. Maybe you were on coffee when you searched the web?

Okay, fine. Prove me wrong. Show me a NASA.GOV site that has this information and claims that it was a NASA study.

I know people who work at NASA. All of them are tired of having the NASA name attached to crackpot claims.

34 posted on 02/20/2004 9:52:24 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: Prime Choice
Did the internet exist in the late 60s?
35 posted on 02/20/2004 9:53:13 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
I've seen lots of things propped up as genuine news articles in my day...again, all without attribution. Why, there was even a brouhaha the other day about one Freeper who faked a picture of John Kerry next to Jane Fonda (caused quite a stir...I'd be surprised if you missed it).

As a conaequence, I find your image to be sorely lacking in terms of credibility.

Again...find a NASA.GOV site that holds this data or give it up.

36 posted on 02/20/2004 9:55:26 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: Destro
Did the internet exist in the late 60s?

Well if that didn't come out of left field...

Yes, the Internet existed in the late 1960s.

In fact, the Internet existed in the EARLY 1960s.

37 posted on 02/20/2004 9:57:38 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: Destro
There are things highly poisonous to bugs that don't faze humans, and vice versa. Using this as a test of toxicity to anything but spiders is fanciful at best.
38 posted on 02/20/2004 9:58:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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Destro, sorry everybody is giving you crap, freaking out with "facts" in response to your post and calling you a "kid" in an effort to appear grown up themselves.

I enjoyed this, and found it fascinating. I have to question the veracity though. It would seem that caffeine results in the worst web. I have trouble believing that caffeine was the most toxic of all the test drugs!

39 posted on 02/20/2004 10:02:29 PM PST by bluefish
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Ahhh... yes. Different creatures, different effects. Even more damning than my prior observation regarding caffeine vs. the other drugs with regards to exposing this "article." It was still a fun read.
40 posted on 02/20/2004 10:05:08 PM PST by bluefish
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To: bluefish; Destro
I googled it to death and here's what I found

MFS-28921 and comes from the April 1995 Tech Briefs...

I'm too tired to search the reams of webpages at the Marshall Flight Center
41 posted on 02/20/2004 10:05:36 PM PST by cyborg
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To: bluefish
Nothing is stated here about the dosage. A big enough slug of table salt would do to kill a spider.
42 posted on 02/20/2004 10:06:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Destro
Maybe NASA did spray Lysergic Acid Diethylamide onto
spiders. I saw these images long ago but don't recall the NASA affilliation.
43 posted on 02/20/2004 10:08:54 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: Destro
Frankly, big deal. I just asked if it was a real study or not.

They're all screwed up when on something. Does that mean anything? A spider's reactions to x drug? Does that result in any meaningful data?

Does caffeine affect a human the same as a cocaine? Or whatever?

This is a useless, weird enterprise.

I'd like to know what your agenda is.
44 posted on 02/20/2004 10:10:34 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Destro
Did the internet exist in the late 60s?

I'm not sure, but spiders have had websites for a long time.

< /rimshot>

45 posted on 02/20/2004 10:10:44 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Destro
My requests to lurking scientists:
1) Do not experiment with growth hormones and spiders
2) Do not experiment with phosphorescent spiders
3) Do not attempt to grow additional legs on spiders
4) Do not attempt to grow human ears on spiders
5) Do not do agression experiments with spiders
6) Do not give spiders hallucinogenic drugs to see what they will do
46 posted on 02/20/2004 10:10:59 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: primeval patriot
Saw a page that said he got a reply from NASA upon inquiring. They didn't conduct the experiments, but rather derived the information from a private experiement, or something like that, according to that page.
47 posted on 02/20/2004 10:14:51 PM PST by bluefish
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To: Destro









A web spun by a spider on bug spray.

48 posted on 02/20/2004 10:15:38 PM PST by Redcloak (íLIBERE EL QUESO! íLIBERE EL QUESO! íLIBERE EL QUESO! íLIBERE EL QUESO! íLIBERE EL QUESO!)
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To: Monty22
So it was a fun read. "Big deal" is right. Apparently it is, to more than the original poster, givent the generally hostile response. Laugh it off.

"Agenda?" I'm sure that Destro is plotting world domination, with this posting somehow representing the initial step in an intricate, highly developed, "well-spun" plan.

49 posted on 02/20/2004 10:18:01 PM PST by bluefish
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To: Prime Choice
"In fact, the Internet existed in the EARLY 1960s."

Impossible! In the early 1960's, the Internet's inventor - Al Gore - was only in his early teens!
50 posted on 02/20/2004 10:19:56 PM PST by ryanjb2 (</sarcasm>)
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