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I Crucified Jesus Christ, My Savior (My Response to Jews Over the Passion)
Patriot Paradox ^

Posted on 02/21/2004 6:15:29 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000

Jewish leaders are still trying to rally up their troops for the horror that is The Passion of the Christ. Why? They feel that they are being portrayed as the ones who killed Jesus, and they are the only ones that did so. They are gravely mistaken. I killed Jesus. So did you. Perhaps I held one of the nails, and you slung the hammer, and hit it with the fury and vileness of your sins. I know I had a swing at the hammer too, and there was a long line behind me, the hate and disgust dripping from the brows of each. Who took the whip to his back? I'm sure I had a swing or two in that department as well, and when the crowd chanted crucify him, I chimed in unison with people I walk down the streets with each day.

Did the Jews crucify him? Yes, as did the Romans, and the Greeks. His twelve disciples, and his mother and Joseph also played a part. The Egyptians were there, and the Gauls too. People all over the world then, and those since. The Pope was in the company, as was Hitler and Stalin. We all crucified Him, and we all owe Him the dignity to allow Him not only to die for our sins, but to accept His salvation. The blood on your hand paid for your sins. Don't wash it off, that blood is clean and refreshing, and the only thing clean on your vile body.

It's not that I am a bad person. He volunteered, but if it wasn't for Adam's original sin, He would have never been needed to make the sacrifice. Alas, what-ifs are meaningless beside the cross. The fact is that though we each have sinned, He has paid the price. Instead we should strive to live up to the sacrifice made. He paid the price, why waste the ticket?

Do you feel that you are without sin? All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. I am no better then the next person, and I may be more evil then you. Remember that when the Passion does come out, and that when you buy your ticket the people in line around you drove the nails into his left hand. The ticket lady, she held the nail. The concession people, they drove the nail in His right hand, and you may have had a hand in nailing it to the cross. and when you go in to take your seat, and see the crowd ahead of you taking theirs, imagine them jumping up and yelling, "Crucify Him!" Those on the screen, even the guy playing Jesus, they held the last nail, and drove it into His feet. And we each pierced His side, while He died for each of those that crucified Him...


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1 posted on 02/21/2004 6:15:30 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000
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To: B.Bumbleberry; prarie earth; UnklGene; Cathryn Crawford; CholeraJoe; Chad Fairbanks; ...
Ping! Let me know what you think!
2 posted on 02/21/2004 6:16:04 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000 (If it wasn't for my horse I wouldn't have spent that year in college...)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
I read your post quickly because my son wants to get on, but I'm wondering if the film makes the point you did--that we killed Jesus. Pardon me if you made the point and I missed it...I've got a teenager breathing down my neck, lol.

Great point and AMEN!
3 posted on 02/21/2004 6:21:37 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (SAVE THE BLACK FLY (This tag line is getting old...any suggestions?))
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
I'm not sure, but that is the point I feel God made, that we all are responsible with our sin.



Patriot Paradox

4 posted on 02/21/2004 6:23:43 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000 (If it wasn't for my horse I wouldn't have spent that year in college...)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
I will see the movie ASH Wednesday, I will cry I will hurt I will leave reflecting on One Jew and One Jew only: Jesus Y'SHUA the Christ who paid a penalty for a sinner like me.

5 posted on 02/21/2004 6:26:22 PM PST by missyme
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To: sonsofliberty2000
We owe much to Judaism as to the founding of Western Civilization:

Judaism’s Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism (and then Christianity) Rejected Homosexuality

It was for the uplifting of the Family.

6 posted on 02/21/2004 6:26:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Pretty much says what I think about it.

Better to talk about this, rather than hide or try to hide the facts.

They are way too anal about this.

7 posted on 02/21/2004 6:29:08 PM PST by Cold Heat (Contented for Bush 2004!)
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To: missyme
I am just amused at all the efforts to trash Gibson and this film. He overcame many demons to make this film. The liberal media may as well save their breath and their ink. Nothing will stop this film from being a success, and more importantly, having an effect on those who see it.

FYI, just heard on FoxNews that Gibson is going to be on O'Reilly Tuesday night.
8 posted on 02/21/2004 6:32:11 PM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Mel Gibson said it openly when he was asked if the Jews crucified Jesus. He said "we ALL did."

And it was HIS hand that held the nail in the film

It was MY sin that put Jesus on the cross, no single race or people, but the sins of each of us, that caused Him to suffer and die.

I'm scared to see the film, but I think we all need to.

9 posted on 02/21/2004 6:33:37 PM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
You will indeed contemplate what your role or participation may have been or is. Having seen the film, I say that without doubt.

Prairie
10 posted on 02/21/2004 6:34:10 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by The American Democratic Party, also known as Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: LisaMalia
Great! I will make sure to watch...Also tomorrow on PAX T.V there will be a special on the making of the film..

Gibson endured alot of B.S but it failed because G-d has been riding the storm with him all the way through!
11 posted on 02/21/2004 6:34:39 PM PST by missyme
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To: sonsofliberty2000
This is well written, true, and precise.
12 posted on 02/21/2004 6:36:06 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
I think the point is made in the film, albeit in a subtle manner.

Mel Gibson has a cameo in the film as the Roman soldier whose hand drives the first nail into Jesus' hand.

P.S. Don't forget the Pax TV special on the Passion Sunday night and Tuesday night.

13 posted on 02/21/2004 6:37:42 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: missyme
I read on another thread about the special on PAX. Of all the 200 plus (mostly crappy) stations I get, can't believe I don't get that one. Just wondering, what does PAX stand for?
14 posted on 02/21/2004 6:39:32 PM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: ohioWfan
I'm scared to see the film,

Me too. I had a strong reaction to Mel's interview with Diane Sawyer and the few clips of the movie which were shown.

15 posted on 02/21/2004 6:39:47 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sonsofliberty2000
I didn't kill him. I didn't have anything to do with it. And if he wanted to take the fall for my sins, well, that's on him. I never sinned in the first place. In fact, I wasn't even around at the time.
16 posted on 02/21/2004 6:40:44 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you
crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the 'stone
which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.' Nor is there salvation in any other,
for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:10-12 NIV

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of
the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being
the chief cornerstone, Ephesians 2:19 NIV

Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, "Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he
who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame." Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by
men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy
priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is also contained in
the Scripture,"Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no
means be put to shame." Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,"The
stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone," and "A stone of stumbling And a rock of
offense." They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.But you are a chosen
generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him
who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of
God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. 1 Peter 2:6-10 NIV

So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a
sure foundation; the one who trusts will never be dismayed. Isaiah 28:16 NKJV

Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: "The stone which the builders rejected Has become
the chief cornerstone. This was the LORD's doing, And it is marvelous in our eyes'? Matthew 21:42 NIV

Have you not even read this Scripture: "The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone. This was the LORD's doing, And it is marvelous in our eyes'?" Mark 12:10-11 NIV

Then He looked at them and said, "What then is this that is written: "The stone which the builders rejected Has
become the chief cornerstone'? Luke 20:17 NIV
17 posted on 02/21/2004 6:42:09 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I've seen trailers, and they're awful.

But I think it's important for everyone (especially Christians) to see this and get a better understanding of the suffering that Christ went through for us.

18 posted on 02/21/2004 6:43:46 PM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Dear Lord....this article says it ALL! My prayers for the people who don't/can't/WON'T see the message of the crucifixion.
19 posted on 02/21/2004 6:44:31 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Pray for America and Israel)
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To: BCrago66
See the film.

Jesus suffered like this, and died for YOU, whether you accept that or not.

20 posted on 02/21/2004 6:45:19 PM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: BCrago66
I'm afraid to see the movie. Are you? Are you going to see it?
21 posted on 02/21/2004 6:47:34 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Pray for America and Israel)
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To: ohioWfan
It isn't polite to going arouond accusing people you don't know of murder. Watch your manners.
22 posted on 02/21/2004 6:49:51 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: BCrago66
I said that Jesus died for you.

I also said that it was MY sin that put him on that cross.

Both statements are true, and, as you well know, have nothing to do with my 'manners.'

See the film, then read the Gospels......the GOOD news of God's love for you.

23 posted on 02/21/2004 6:53:40 PM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: BCrago66
Who was Murdered?
24 posted on 02/21/2004 6:55:32 PM PST by missyme
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To: LisaMalia
The network's owner's last name is Paxson & PAX is Latin for the word Peace.
25 posted on 02/21/2004 7:02:07 PM PST by madison10
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To: sonsofliberty2000
"Let me know what you think!"

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

Those who have life are covered by His blood for forgiveness, and partake of His body for righteousness.

26 posted on 02/21/2004 7:11:17 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: sonsofliberty2000
I think you are right on the money.

Many, many years ago I was taught who killed Christ.

To this day I will not blame only the Jews or the Romans or any single group, but ALL of mankind!

I actually thought most people understood this. I suspose most people who are unfamiliar with the story of Jesus don't understand. I pity them.

27 posted on 02/21/2004 7:33:34 PM PST by Budge (<>< .)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
I think you are right on the money.

Many, many years ago I was taught who killed Christ.

To this day I will not blame only the Jews or the Romans or any single group, but ALL of mankind!

I actually thought most people understood this. I suspose most people who are unfamiliar with the story of Jesus don't understand. I pity them.

28 posted on 02/21/2004 7:33:34 PM PST by Budge (<>< .)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
When we wonder why God would give his son for all of us we have to remember that the original Jew was willing to give his son for God.
29 posted on 02/21/2004 7:33:57 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: sonsofliberty2000
This is good. May I have permission to forward it on to my pastor? He reads these kinds of things in church often.
30 posted on 02/21/2004 7:39:16 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (The Republican Party's job is to win elections. It's our job to change minds.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Very true, and also this.....all those years ago, and ever since, had all others in this world been without sin, then Jesus died just for ME.
31 posted on 02/21/2004 7:39:22 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Guilt cannot be assigned for the fulfillment of a Divine prophecy.
32 posted on 02/21/2004 8:32:23 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Bush Bot by choice)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Absolutely right. I crucified my Lord and I weep to think of it. Jesus paid for all of our sins.No one person or group crucified Jesus. He came to die, that we might live. Amazing isn't it!!
This point was brought out in our Sunday School class last week. EXCELLENT POST!!
33 posted on 02/21/2004 8:57:33 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: pollywog
Amazing isn't it!!

The story is such a simple one, that we as humans in our stupidity.....get it all gumbled up, don't we? He died that we might live. Plain and simple.

Thank you Lord!!!!

34 posted on 02/21/2004 8:59:40 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Pray for America and Israel)
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To: BCrago66
Thats your perogative. You don't have to accept His gift to you. We were all destined for hell but Jesus died so we don't have to go. He gave us a free pass. But we don't have to take it, but we do have to suffer the consequences of rejecting that gift. It would be like if we were all heading for a cliff and you were standing in line to jump off the cliff and someone comes along and says I will jump for you so you can live. You accept it and live or you can say no thanks, I'll jump off myself. Its your choice, accept the gift of eternal life or reject it and accept eternity without God.
35 posted on 02/21/2004 9:02:26 PM PST by beckysueb (Lady Liberty is in danger! Bush/Cheney 04.)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Gramma, don't be afraid--It is OK if you are, but you don't have to be. HE had enough Courage for us all.

We should all pray to the Spirit before the movie starts that we will absorb and internalize what we see.

I firmly believe it can make us all better Christians.
36 posted on 02/21/2004 9:33:08 PM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
sonsofliberty2000, Excellent job.


I, Kevin Jeanfreau (cpforlife.org) Crucified Jesus Christ, my Savior. That is a fact.

We all have sinned. He died for my sins. He died for everyone, and for each one of us as individuals.

From what I have read about the movie, Mel Gibson IS in the film. It is his hands that drive the nails into the Hands of our LORD.

The sceen where Mary is holding Jesus after He is taken down from the cross--she stares past the camera INTO the viewer. She does not talk, but says with her eyes, "Look, look what you have done to my Son." and "Look at what He has done--for you."
37 posted on 02/21/2004 9:41:07 PM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
I know...I REALLY know. It's the SEEING it that I'm "afraid" of. The reality of it...

but that's OK. I believe we NEED to see that reality. Even though it IS a movie...it's the truth.

Thanks for the encouragement....
38 posted on 02/21/2004 9:51:52 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Pray for America and Israel)
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To: sonsofliberty2000; BCrago66
"I killed Jesus. So did you.... We all crucified Him, and we all owe Him the dignity to allow Him not only to die for our sins, but to accept His salvation. "

A thoroughly orthodox exposition. Well done.

Pay attention, that lad dozing in the back of the room.... this is basic Christianity.

39 posted on 02/21/2004 11:58:33 PM PST by Mortimer Snavely (Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
Sure. Ours does too but leave the credit for it as from patriot-paradox.com because our pastor never knows from where they come from!



Patriot Paradox

40 posted on 02/22/2004 1:26:24 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000 (If it wasn't for my horse I wouldn't have spent that year in college...)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
I'm just getting back to this thread now. I guess I did read it too quickly. For some reason, I was under the impression that you had written the piece, so that's why I worded my post (#3) the way I did. Sorry!
41 posted on 02/22/2004 5:20:35 AM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (SAVE THE BLACK FLY (This tag line is getting old...any suggestions?))
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Great article. I look forward to seeing the movie. Our girls are going with the youth group.

I'm sorry there are some Jewish leaders who have a problem with this movie, yet I won't allow them to cause me to question what happened to my Lord. And I won't apologize and neither should Mr. Gibson, no matter how unpleasent the truth may be. It wasn't just chance that is was the Jews calling for Jesus' life, to the point that Pilate simply washed his hands of the situation, it was God's plan! In my 43 years of church membership I have never heard blame placed or felt blame placed on the Jewish race, for they were doing God's will!!

I applaude Mel Gibson for bringing this to the screen. If it truly follows the Gospel, I don't care if he makes a billion dollars. His success in the Road Warrior movies, the Lethal Weapon movies etc, brought the monies that allowed him to make this epic (and from what I understand he has quite a few mouths to feed). Thru the process of having to defend the movie, I think he's become clearer in what he believes and what he knows of our Savior... and he's had a national audience all along! He may not be as fluid as Billy Graham with his words, but he's muddled thru and professed the truth as best he could. IMHO of course.

42 posted on 02/22/2004 6:21:28 AM PST by sweet_diane ("Will I dance for you Jesus? Or in awe of You be still? I can only imagine..I can only imagine.")
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To: beckysueb
I think that's a terrible analogy. I understand the point you are trying to make, but in your analogy, you selfishly let someone die in your place. A more appropriate comparison would be that you have fallen off a cliff, and miraculously, a safety net appears to catch you.
43 posted on 02/22/2004 7:20:22 AM PST by visualops (The cost of fighting the War on Terror is significant but the cost of not fighting is unimaginable.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
I showed this thread to my dad, who e-mailed the URL to the pastor.
44 posted on 02/22/2004 7:45:35 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (I make no guarantee that the above post was written by by a sane person.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Great post and AMEN!!
45 posted on 02/22/2004 1:32:58 PM PST by JonathansMommie (1 weeks and counting till the birth of my second baby)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Let's not be confused. God Himself slew Jesus Christ, just as he said he would. And it required the systematic creation of exactly the right conditions to fulfill prophecy, enabled by the mass delusion (blinding) of God's own people to accomplish it.

Remember the story of Abraham and Isaac.

Genesis 22:8; "God will provide himself the lamb for a burnt offering, my son."

Look at Isaiah 53. Every word is stark, painful and true. Then comes verse 10: Yet it was the will of the Lord to bruise him; he has put him to grief (or, made him sick); when he makes himself (or, thou makest his soul) an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring, he shall prolong his days...

Or as simply stated in John 3:16; For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.</>

Jesus was not a reluctant martyr. From the time of his transfiguration, he marched with his face "set as a flint" to the cross knowing full well what would await. His entire purpose in coming into the world was to die a sacrificial death, and to be a living Word of God.

That was the only way the sinfulness of all mankind could be atoned. All the slaughter of animals for centuries before by the Jews did nothing to absolve sins. It was all meant as an object lesson for the one real sacrifice that would be acceptible to God.

So is God cruel? No. He is holy. He can't stand sin. And without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin. He shed his own blood, as it were.

Yes, lament our own sinfulness, and repent. But above all, marvel at God's love for us in what he has done. And rejoice! Our sins are forgiven. How do we know the sacrifice was accepted? Jesus arose from the dead.

46 posted on 02/22/2004 2:40:25 PM PST by Tenega
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
I did write the post.
47 posted on 02/22/2004 3:28:32 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000 (If it wasn't for my horse I wouldn't have spent that year in college...)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
I did write the post.

Never mind...LOL! I feel like an idiot now. Nothing out of the ordinary for me, though. Great post!

48 posted on 02/22/2004 4:58:16 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (SAVE THE BLACK FLY (This tag line is getting old...any suggestions?))
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To: sonsofliberty2000
A beautifully written and moving post, thank you!

I can only tell you one thing: it's not people like you (nor apparently any of your friends --- you probably hang out with decent people) that some Jews worry about.

49 posted on 02/22/2004 10:46:16 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
This is true. I hope Jews understand those are a very small minority!



Patriot Paradox

50 posted on 02/23/2004 5:21:25 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000 (If it wasn't for my horse I wouldn't have spent that year in college...)
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