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Lockyer rejects halt to nuptials He dismisses governor's as a political ploy (CA RATS ALERT)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/21/04 | Nanett Asimov & Ryan Kim

Posted on 02/21/2004 10:55:37 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:51 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

State Attorney General Bill Lockyer on Saturday rebuffed Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's demand that he force an end to San Francisco's same-sex marriages, calling the directive political rhetoric.

"The governor can direct the Highway Patrol. He can direct the next 'Terminator 4' movie if he chooses. But he can't direct the attorney general in the way he's attempted to do," Lockyer said, adding that Schwarzenegger's written directive "was a statement designed for consumption at the Republican convention."


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Here we go. Lockyer is a RAT. He's not going to end gay marriages, won't uphold the RULE OF LAW.

This is Al Gore 2000 all over again.

1 posted on 02/21/2004 10:55:37 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: little jeremiah; PoisedWoman
ping - alert alert
2 posted on 02/21/2004 10:56:09 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (Borders, Language, Culture, Straights - now more than ever)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Just great. Does anyone in California beleive in following the laws anymore?
4 posted on 02/21/2004 10:58:16 PM PST by scarface367 (This tagline known to the state of California to cause cancer in laboratory animals)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Lockyer should be disbarred for refusing to uphold the law as it exists in the books. PERIOD.

As for the justices who keep enabling these lawbreakers, they too should face the axe and disbarrment.


5 posted on 02/21/2004 10:58:21 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Arrest Lockyer for obstruction of justice. Maybe his second in command will be more amenable to carrying out the law.
6 posted on 02/21/2004 10:58:23 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Lockyer called that statement "preposterous" and said it is the kind of "exaggerated, hot rhetoric" that risks stirring people up to commit hate crimes.

Lockyer would not be so lax about this if a mayor were giving out guns, now would he?

Funny, but there is a Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms. There is no Constitutional Right to buggery.

Lockyer is playing politics with our laws. I can only hope the Governor will have the stones to terminate his position.

7 posted on 02/21/2004 11:00:23 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
He can direct the National Guard.
8 posted on 02/21/2004 11:00:38 PM PST by Husker24
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
The fix is in, both at the judicial and AG levels. California is intended to be the trendsetter for gay marriage, as it is the trendsetter for everything else.
10 posted on 02/21/2004 11:01:27 PM PST by Publius (Die Erde ist gewaltig schön, doch sicher ist sie nicht.)
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To: William Creel
You can't impeach the AG. You can recall him, though.
11 posted on 02/21/2004 11:02:33 PM PST by Publius (Die Erde ist gewaltig schön, doch sicher ist sie nicht.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
This is beyond vile. Is there any legal remedy available for this malfeasance?
13 posted on 02/21/2004 11:02:44 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
a GAY Superior Court judge decided on Friday not to impose a temporary restraining order on the city to halt the marriages
14 posted on 02/21/2004 11:03:20 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Prime Choice
The governor can't terminate the AG or his position. He is an elected official. You cann recall him, though.
15 posted on 02/21/2004 11:03:42 PM PST by Publius (Die Erde ist gewaltig schön, doch sicher ist sie nicht.)
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To: Publius
California is intended to be the trendsetter for gay marriage, as it is the trendsetter for everything else.

I think Lockyer just threw California to Bush in November.

16 posted on 02/21/2004 11:04:12 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Under another scenario, Grodin said, the issue might jump to the federal level if another state questioned its obligation to recognize same-sex marriages authorized in California or Massachusetts.

"One way or the other, the issue of gay marriage is likely to reach the U.S. Supreme Court," he said.

So much for this being limited to a states' rights issue (not that I believed that).

Ahh, the smell of anarchy wafting off the Pacific.

17 posted on 02/21/2004 11:05:25 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: William Creel
The California Supreme Court will uphold the law, certainly. Then it will be appealed to the US Supreme Court. We'll see how that one turns out.
18 posted on 02/21/2004 11:05:44 PM PST by Publius (Die Erde ist gewaltig schön, doch sicher ist sie nicht.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Ok research time. Under CA law, can the Gov. do anything to direct the AG? It makes ZERO sense for that to be the case. Prosecutors are part of the executive. The AG should also be part of the executive and answer to the governor.
20 posted on 02/21/2004 11:07:22 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
He can direct the next 'Terminator 4' movie if he chooses.

He can direct the California National Guard.

21 posted on 02/21/2004 11:08:06 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Bush Bot by choice)
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To: longtermmemmory
The AG is elected by the voters, not hired or fired by the governor. If you think Lockyer is disobeying the law, you need to recall him. That's probably not a bad idea.
22 posted on 02/21/2004 11:08:39 PM PST by Publius (Die Erde ist gewaltig schön, doch sicher ist sie nicht.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Attorney General Bill Lockyer must be filling his pants. There is no right choice for him. He is a loudmouthed Democrat nutcase with aspirations for the Governor's job.

This is a brilliant move by Arnold. Lockyer must either enforce the state law and anger his liberal base or do nothing and allow Arnold to keep him on the hot seat. I love it.
23 posted on 02/21/2004 11:08:57 PM PST by CHUCKfromCAL
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To: Prime Choice
There is no Constitutional Right to buggery.

The US Supreme Court has recently said otherwise.

24 posted on 02/21/2004 11:09:58 PM PST by Publius (Die Erde ist gewaltig schön, doch sicher ist sie nicht.)
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To: Publius
We are the trendsetter on Recalls too!
25 posted on 02/21/2004 11:10:49 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I think Lockyer just threw California to Bush in November.

Yes indeed. The rats are utter fools to push this same-sex attraction crap right before the presidential election.

26 posted on 02/21/2004 11:11:04 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: Travis McGee; ambrose; My2Cents; FairOpinion; South40; Tamsey; doodlelady; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Well it didn't take wannabe governor Lockyer to bite and slither away. Damn him. What's next?
27 posted on 02/21/2004 11:11:07 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
enforcing the law must be some kind of weird Republican thing...
28 posted on 02/21/2004 11:11:14 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: CHUCKfromCAL
Lockyer must either enforce the state law and anger his liberal base or do nothing and allow Arnold to keep him on the hot seat.

Is Arnold setting him up for a recall? Or is this just a chess move to check his campaign for governor in 2006?

29 posted on 02/21/2004 11:11:38 PM PST by Publius (Die Erde ist gewaltig schön, doch sicher ist sie nicht.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
cannot a governor FIRE an attorney general of his own State?
If yes, do it. Do it now. Then have him brought up on charges - dereliction of duty, conspiracy to defraud (as those "marriage" licences are fraudulent and cost the gay folks some long green), and impeding justice.
30 posted on 02/21/2004 11:11:45 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: CHUCKfromCAL
"This is a brilliant move by Arnold. Lockyer must either enforce the state law and anger his liberal base or do nothing and allow Arnold to keep him on the hot seat."

That is a very good point.

31 posted on 02/21/2004 11:12:50 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: onyx
An attorney general who condones law-breaking....Keep this article for when Lockyer runs for Gov. in '06.
32 posted on 02/21/2004 11:12:53 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: King Prout
See Post #22.
33 posted on 02/21/2004 11:12:59 PM PST by Publius (Die Erde ist gewaltig schön, doch sicher ist sie nicht.)
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To: kcvl
are you sure about that? If he is a homosexual, there would be grounds for a potential recusal.
34 posted on 02/21/2004 11:13:01 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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I think we need to recall Bill Lockyer. I'm serious about this.
35 posted on 02/21/2004 11:13:01 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (Borders, Language, Culture, Straights - now more than ever)
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To: CHUCKfromCAL
The talking heads will be flapping their gums on this tomorrow.....will tick off flyover country ....and will shake loose more funding for Dubbya in November
36 posted on 02/21/2004 11:13:06 PM PST by spokeshave (She said one of the men yelled after the retreating burglar: "And that's just our womenfolk.")
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Reference article:

Judaism’s Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism (and then Christianity) Rejected Homosexuality

37 posted on 02/21/2004 11:13:44 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: scarface367
Does anyone in California beleive in following the laws anymore?

How can we follow the law? We don't know the players and we don't have a program.

Note to self: need to pick up more FMJ's

38 posted on 02/21/2004 11:14:25 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: ambrose; Torie
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39 posted on 02/21/2004 11:14:25 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: Publius
The US Supreme Court has recently said otherwise.

Don't get me started on those chumps.

40 posted on 02/21/2004 11:14:39 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Look at it in this way. Feinstein and Boxer (and are those two ever tight) both think Newsom kicking up his heels is really bad politics. Those two are shrewd operators. Therefore they must see this could lead to Boxer losing, and Schwarzenegger doing the Democrat Party some real damage.

Schwarzenegger is a very sharp cookie, and will likely play it right. I suggest that a recall is in order for Lockyer. There are real, real, opportunities here to give the Dems a drubbing they will never forget.
41 posted on 02/21/2004 11:14:51 PM PST by Iris7 (Lies have no purpose but to deceive the enemy. Lie to yourself, be your own enemy.)
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To: My2Cents

You bet we'll keep this article to smash Lockyer with his outrageous defiance of the law he is sworn to uphold.

Damn democrats. I've had enough of them, and enough of CA.
42 posted on 02/21/2004 11:14:56 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: onyx
"What's next?"

You can head up the recall committee. ;o)

43 posted on 02/21/2004 11:15:06 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I think we need to recall Bill Lockyer. I'm serious about this.

I'm with you. Count me in. This abomination has to stop.

44 posted on 02/21/2004 11:15:26 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
So Lockyer thinks Arnold's call to enforce the laws of California is a "political ploy," and he doen't acknowledge that his refusal isn't???
46 posted on 02/21/2004 11:16:10 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: dixiechick2000

From Vb? Ha! I think not. :)
47 posted on 02/21/2004 11:16:34 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: tuesday afternoon
Anarchy is right.

How long can it be before some Cali freak decides argues that murder is not wrong "to him", and that the rest of us have no business imposing our silly old-fashioned morals on him?

The knee-jerk response is that it is an issue of State interest, protecting the people and all of that, but even that argument is based on the assumption that we all favor protecting the innocent.

The idiotic "who's morality?" argument can justify ANYTHING.

I'm telling you, we're only a stone's throw away from absolute chaos and anarchy. Tolerance, they call it.
48 posted on 02/21/2004 11:17:16 PM PST by watchin
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping ---I can't stand to read this. The GA is an AH.

I am moving from the west coast. Seriously, I can't stand it here any more.

If anyone wants on or off this ping list, or wants to buy my very nice property for a cheap price, ping me.
49 posted on 02/21/2004 11:18:21 PM PST by little jeremiah (everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone isn't entitled to be right.)
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To: Publius
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 5 EXECUTIVE

SECTION 1. The supreme executive power of this State is vested in the Governor. The Governor shall see that the law is faithfully executed.

Seems pretty clear to me.

50 posted on 02/21/2004 11:18:30 PM PST by jwalsh07
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