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Teacher 'sorry' for singling out UNC student (Leftwing Prof. forced to appologize)
newsobserver.com ^ | 2/21/2004 | Jane Stancill

Posted on 02/22/2004 3:18:06 AM PST by longtermmemmory

Teacher 'sorry' for singling out UNC student

By JANE STANCILL, Staff Writer

A UNC-Chapel Hill instructor has apologized after a student said during a class discussion that he opposed homosexuality -- and found himself singled out by the teacher for hate speech. In an e-mail message sent Feb. 6 to her "Literature and Cultural Diversity" students, the lecturer, Elyse Crystall, wrote, "[W]hat we heard [T]hursday at the end of class constitutes 'hate speech' and is completely unacceptable. [I]t has created a hostile environment." Crystall went on to name the student, identified as Tim, and said he was a perfect example of the topic of discussion during class: privilege.

She referred to Tim as "a white, heterosexual, [C]hristian male" who "can feel entitled to make violent, heterosexist comments and not feel marked or threatened or vulnerable."

Crystall apologized to the class Monday, and university officials said they're monitoring the class to ensure students' free speech.

The episode is whipping up a fresh political uproar at a campus that has gained national attention for its freshman reading assignments the past two years.

On Thursday, U.S. Rep. Walter B. Jones, a Farmville Republican, called for state Attorney General Roy Cooper to look into whether the professor broke any state laws. Jones also is asking the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights to investigate.

"Had Ms. Crystall substituted the word 'black' for 'white,' 'homosexual' for 'heterosexual' or 'Muslim' for 'Christian,' she would have been suspended or fired immediately," Jones wrote in a letter to UNC-CH Chancellor James Moeser. "Instead, the student in question was forced to go to an online message board to defend himself to his classmates, his academic future left in the hands of the likes of Ms. Crystall."

The class message board is not open to the public.

In a letter to Jones on Thursday, Moeser said the university took the incident very seriously and would see to it that students in the class are treated fairly and not penalized by their views.

"At Carolina, our responsibility is to remain a vibrant intellectual community in which all viewpoints can be comfortably expressed and heard in an atmosphere of respect," he wrote. "Universities exist to promote the free exchange of ideas. As a public university, we at Carolina have a special responsibility to vigorously protect the right of everyone to be heard."

The student, contacted late Thursday, asked that his name not be used. Crystall did not return phone calls or e-mail.

Corrective measures

English Department Chairman James Thompson said he had spoken with the student and the lecturer on several occasions, persuaded Crystall to apologize, and appointed a faculty member to monitor the class for the rest of the semester. That person occasionally will sit in and make sure grading is fair, Thompson said.

"We investigated the situation and corrected it, and that was sufficient," Thompson said.

On Monday, Crystall sent an e-mail apology to her students. "I regret that my e-mail to you last week crossed a line and inhibited free discussion," she wrote. "And I am sorry if anyone was offended by my e-mail; my intention was to promote respectful conversation among us, not to censor anyone. We should not make specific examples of anyone, and I should not have named anyone."

The episode has been criticized by conservative activists and a student newspaper columnist, who wrote, "The Chapel Hill Thought Police are at it again."

Some students say the incident reflects a hostility to conservative ideas at UNC-CH.

"I do think it's indicative of a larger atmosphere on campus," said junior Laura Thomas, a member of the College Republicans and a recent candidate for student body president. "It shows the bias that some professors hold."

Staff writer Jane Stancill can be reached at 956-2464 or janes@newsobserver.com.


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This is significant given the debate about homosexuals going on right now. This professor is doeing what all leftist are going to do in the comming months. They are going to try and silence opposition by "pointing and shouting hate speech" essentially calling opponents nazi.

Notice the way this student was forced to defend himself. If this was years ago, the student would have no defense.

1 posted on 02/22/2004 3:18:06 AM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory; Constitution Day
More NC Academia arrogance:

Conservatives need not apply? < "stupid people are generally conservative ">

2 posted on 02/22/2004 3:33:39 AM PST by martin_fierro (O Tempora! O Mores! O Canada!)
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To: longtermmemmory
"a white, heterosexual, [C]hristian male" who "can feel entitled to make violent, heterosexist comments and not feel marked or threatened or vulnerable."

"....my intention was to promote respectful conversation among us, not to censor anyone."

Dunno' what specifically the kid said, but since his remarks weren't "violent" (as indicated by UNC's actions), he should sue for libel.

He should also lodge a lawsuit for the racist, sexist, and religious attack made in writing by this b**ch.

I'm gonna' guess that UNC's attorneys saw their terrific legal exposure, which is why they took any action against her.

3 posted on 02/22/2004 3:56:04 AM PST by angkor
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To: longtermmemmory
What amazes is me is how the tip end of the tail has wound up wagging the bull.

How in the world did one or two percent of the population wind up controlling the agenda of the rest of us?
4 posted on 02/22/2004 4:02:29 AM PST by auntdot
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To: longtermmemmory
This professor is lucky I wasn't there because I' have backed the kid up.
5 posted on 02/22/2004 4:05:20 AM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270)
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To: auntdot
They are used the same way hitler used them to gain power. The homosexuals molded into hiler's brownshirts. He used them then folded them into is regular army.

HOmosexuasl are used by the left and the tool they used was thought crime, hate speech, and forbidding certain subjects.

For example one of the Judges in the two cases of the SF homosexual marriage is a homosexual. Judges in that district have agree any BoyScout connect judges would recuse themselves. Yet this homosexual judge, did not disclose or recuse himself on this case where he has an obvious bias.

The left have been allowed to fester a moral arrogance and they have believed their own PR. There has been no way to oppse them cohesivly until Rush and then the internet.

This poor student had to rely on computers to fight back, not administration, or lawyers.
6 posted on 02/22/2004 4:11:35 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: martin_fierro
You know we live in a sick society when a particular group is given special privleges and considerations simply because they love to eat s**t sticks.
7 posted on 02/22/2004 4:28:30 AM PST by EAGLE7
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To: longtermmemmory
At least someone is admitting that classes on "diversity" are really indoctrination for extremist views, and diversity of opinion is unwelcome.
8 posted on 02/22/2004 4:30:02 AM PST by Gianni (Now I've seen Everything!)
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To: longtermmemmory
You ought to see a copy of the original e-mail this professor sent. The punctuation, grammer and spelling are about at a third or fourth grade level. Methinks this Prof didn't get her job based on qualifications.
9 posted on 02/22/2004 4:45:29 AM PST by joebuck
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To: auntdot
How in the world did one or two percent of the population wind up controlling the agenda of the rest of us?

Cause there are a HELL OF A LOT of voters who are against this crap and many other left wing policies that STILL vote democrat cause that is the way they always voted

Point that out to them and you get a blank stare
10 posted on 02/22/2004 5:21:50 AM PST by uncbob
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To: angkor
He should also lodge a lawsuit for the racist, sexist, and religious attack made in writing by this b**ch.

I did some research and found you can file a compliant w/DOE's 'Civil Rights Division' So I did against the Prof and the Dep't Head. Let's see what action if any is taken.

She managed in one sentence to to attack him based on race, sex and religious beliefs. Let's see if the Civil Rights Division is color blind or they check first to see if he's a legitimate target; the white male.

Actually I expect othing to happen. But then again, some Nat'l press has resulted out of this. Therefore, some press should pick up the follow up story that the DOE Civil Rights group did nothing here, whereas they would have had the student been black, hispanic, muslim.

THAT story will find it's way to a Congressman who sits on appropriations for DOE. With some luck, the Civil Rights Division may be dinged financially. (Why do we fund these people when they thenselves discriminate) Wack 'em 10%; that's what gets their attention.

The UNC English Dep't hires racist, sexist, anti-religious bigots. We'll see if DOE Civil Rights Div. sanctions it.

11 posted on 02/22/2004 6:10:57 AM PST by Swanks
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To: auntdot
"Had Ms. Crystall substituted the word 'black' for 'white,' 'homosexual' for 'heterosexual' or 'Muslim' for 'Christian,' she would have been suspended or fired immediately," Jones wrote in a letter to UNC-CH Chancellor James Moeser. "Instead, the student in question was forced to go to an online message board to defend himself to his classmates, his academic future left in the hands of the likes of Ms. Crystall."

I'm not sure I know the answer to why TWENTY FIVE % of the population came to control the rest of us but I for one am sick of the double standards, and I'm sick of watching this country go down the tubes. Heck we don't even have government by the people when our "representatives" vote against the majority on immigration, homosexuality, ad infinitum, because they are gertting paid off by corporate interests.

Revolution anyone??? I didn't think so. Then we shall get what we deserve.

12 posted on 02/22/2004 6:23:57 AM PST by Indie (That earthling has stolen the Iludium 238 explosive space modulator!!)
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To: joebuck
You ought to see a copy of the original e-mail this professor sent. The punctuation, grammer and spelling are about at a third or fourth grade level.

Many third or fourth graders can spell "grammar" correctly.

13 posted on 02/22/2004 6:31:30 AM PST by SedVictaCatoni (You keep nasty chips.)
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To: Indie
I'm not sure I know the answer to why TWENTY FIVE % of the population came to control the rest of us but I for one am sick of the double standards, and I'm sick of watching this country go down the tubes. Heck we don't even have government by the people when our "representatives" vote against the majority on immigration, homosexuality, ad infinitum, because they are gertting paid off by corporate interests.

"DITTO"
14 posted on 02/22/2004 7:05:03 AM PST by garylmoore (It is as it was)
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To: longtermmemmory
Universities exist to promote the free exchange of ideas.

They used to. Now Universities exist to politically indoctrinate young minds with far left wing propaganda.

15 posted on 02/22/2004 7:06:22 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Now Universities exist to politically indoctrinate young minds with far left wing propaganda.

That's the 1960's to 1980's model. The new model, deomonstrated here by the facist Crystall and the racist Thompson, is to indoctrinate while shutting down any counter views and opinions. Alternate views are hate crimes and noting them publically is creatiing a hostile environment.

They can't win in the exchange of ideas, so they try and stack the deck and criminalize the counter view. Liberals are the most prolific champions of intolerence and against free expression. Left with enough power - there is no doubt they would jail people like this kid in class.

16 posted on 02/22/2004 7:20:06 AM PST by Swanks
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To: longtermmemmory
She referred to Tim as "a white, heterosexual, [C]hristian male" who "can feel entitled to make violent, heterosexist comments and not feel marked or threatened or vulnerable."

This statement is racist, sexist and anti-Christian.

17 posted on 02/22/2004 7:33:37 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: martin_fierro
Hmmm.. "House Education and Workforce Committee"
Rep. John Boehner 8th - OH - Chair
Rep. Cass Ballenger, 10th - NC ( http://edworkforce.house.gov/committee/welcome.htm )

Me thinks some coorespondence here may be appropriate. Esp. in 'watching the DOE Civil Rights watchdogs'. Suppose they have some appropriations oversight on DOE's budget. (Who has some oversight on racist University English Departments...

18 posted on 02/22/2004 7:36:27 AM PST by Swanks
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To: angkor
Probably just tangled with another hairly legged jilted lezzie.......

They are such angry folks that no one loves em......

The university is not taking any action, an apology, sheesh. Had she said a "black" or Muslim or "gay" crack she could apologize all day.

The tide is turning on this but its slow and will take another 10-15 years.
19 posted on 02/22/2004 7:39:51 AM PST by festus
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To: festus
The university is not taking any action, an apology

I would imagine they had their attorneys work this one out.

That anything happened at all means the university took it pretty darned seriously. They saw their legal exposure, which at minimum was libel and three technical violations of antidiscrimination statutes. It's irrefutable, right there in the email, sent to the entire class.

IMHO, the student didn't have good legal counsel (or none at all). He should have negotiated pass credit, money damages, refund of tuition, and the "lecturer's" head on a silver platter.

20 posted on 02/22/2004 7:59:07 AM PST by angkor
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To: The_Media_never_lie
This statement is racist, sexist and anti-Christian.

Oh, but that is okay because this student is white, male and heterosexual.

We can't have people like THAT running around loose you know.

21 posted on 02/22/2004 9:15:52 AM PST by Budge (<>< .)
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To: longtermmemmory
If I were Tim, I'd make sure that I keep METICULOUS records of my grades. Get "real" A's, not A's based on a "curve" or anything like that. And then at the end of the class if there is any discrepencies between his calculations of what his grade should be in the class, and what he received, then he should protest, using the evidence he's accumulated.

Either that, or Tim should drop the class now, because either way, it's going to be an uphill battle for him to get any grade other than an F in that class.

Pathetic but true.
22 posted on 02/22/2004 9:20:43 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
No, he should not drop becasue he did nothing wrong. I suspect by the end of the semester the Racist Crystall will not be posting grades, her replacement will.

Not because the Dept Head will do the right thing, but she will be an albatross around his neck and his career.

He too I beleive thinks white Christian males are scum and deserves worse than what he got; but only feels that way until his career is in jeopardy.

I did my part. I wrote the Inspector General, DOE, for an investigation as to why this person remains on staff. I filed a complaint with the DOE Civil Rights Divison. And I wrote to Cass Ballanger - R-NC who sits on a House Education Appropriations committee to please monitor not UNC, but DOE - as they (maybe) respond to the complaint.

If they don't then they are inept, or worse, condone attacks against white Christian males. Because there is not a more egregious, blatant attack, with audit trail, anywhere.With luck, someone who watches the $'s will ask why they should be funded to the amount they are, when they do nothing on a case as acute as this. THAT is the only language ($$$'s) they understand.

23 posted on 02/22/2004 9:30:39 AM PST by Swanks
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To: longtermmemmory
Well, this might be an indication that we have turned the corner and finally loosened the left's death grip on thought, speech and language in academia. She censors the kid and then says she didn't mean to interfere with free speech. Shine a little light on the cockroaches of communism/socialism and see them try and dance their way out.

Hopefully, an important benchmark...thanks for posting.

24 posted on 02/22/2004 9:35:03 AM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy
bttt
25 posted on 02/22/2004 9:43:29 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: SedVictaCatoni
"Many third or fourth graders can spell "grammar" correctly."

Then make them professors at UNC - there certainly won't be any drop off in the qualilty of education.

26 posted on 02/22/2004 10:21:04 AM PST by joebuck
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To: Indie
It's getting closer to the time to decide.
27 posted on 02/22/2004 11:39:19 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: FourtySeven
Either that, or Tim should drop the class now, because either way, it's going to be an uphill battle for him to get any grade other than an F in that class. Pathetic but true.

Today he has a fighting chance at least.

There are good reasons why some of the new rules are in place. They get abused but they do allow genuine victims a chance to take on a professor that is abusing their authority and win.

28 posted on 02/22/2004 12:03:33 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Don't try to tug at my heart strings. I have no heart and it will make me suspicious of your motives)
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To: longtermmemmory; martin_fierro
Thanks for the ping, martin!
Also discussed here:

Teacher 'sorry' for singling out UNC student

29 posted on 02/23/2004 5:37:52 AM PST by Constitution Day (NLC™)
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