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FREEREPUBLIC NET LAUNCHES WEB SITE ON “WINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION”
JOHNKERRYFORPRESIDENT.INFO ^ | 2/23/03 | Diotima

Posted on 02/23/2004 4:18:08 AM PST by diotima

***NEWS RELEASE***

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE February 23, 2004
Contact: Scott Swett (frn@freeper.org) (703) 863-8033

FREE REPUBLIC NETWORK LAUNCHES WEB SITE ON "WINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION" AND KERRY SLANDER OF U.S. TROOPS IN VIETNAM

(Washington, DC) The Free Republic Network today announced the unveiling of www.WinterSoldier.com, a new web site to provide news, analysis and research material regarding the false claim by John Kerry and others during the Vietnam era that atrocities were routinely committed by America's military.

In 1971 former Navy Lt. John Kerry testified before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations about American "war crimes" in Southeast Asia, which he described as "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command". Free Republic Network Director Scott Swett released the following statement:

"John Kerry played a key role in the leftist disinformation campaign that undermined support for the war by slandering a generation of American soldiers as mass murderers of civilians. Kerry testified before the Senate that the United States committed war crimes in Vietnam as a matter of military policy, citing claims of atrocities made at the discredited 'Winter Soldier Investigation' -- an event primarily funded by Jane Fonda."

"The truth is that atrocities were the exception in Vietnam, not the rule."

"Since Senator Kerry has made the strength of his military record a key issue in his pursuit of the Presidency, it is important for voters to have access to a more complete picture of his actions than is available from the Kerry campaign or the media. WinterSoldier.com will document and analyze the activities in which Kerry and others participated during the Vietnam era."

The site features a section on Kerry's hard-to-find 1971 book "The New Soldier" and covers the activities of the group Vietnam Veterans Against the War and its sponsors. New information will be added as it becomes available. Readers are invited to provide feedback, submit editorial pieces, and provide relevant material. The site will go live on Monday, February 23, 2004.

The Free Republic Network www.FreeRepublic.net is a 501(c)(4) public service corporation whose mission is to organize, train and support conservative activists nationwide. It provides information and organizational services to more than 50 regional and issue-based chapters around the country, and serves as the activism arm of the Free Republic Forum www.FreeRepublic.com.

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To: Rebelbase
Seems the truth got under your skin a tad.

A person with a pure conscience indeed should not be on FR.

51 posted on 02/23/2004 6:25:07 AM PST by cynicom
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To: diotima; 1riot1ranger; Action-America; Aggie Mama; Alkhin; Allegra; American72; antivenom; ...
*FRN PING!*

As always, a FReep mail will get you on or off this Houston topics ping list.

52 posted on 02/23/2004 6:25:20 AM PST by Flyer (Don't abandon our military - Re-elect President Bush!)
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To: Godfollow
NEVER FORGET


JOHN KERRY called American Soldiers fighting for Freedom in Vietnam ..Terrorists.


.........VS...........


MEL GIBSON decided to do his "PASSION of the CHRIST" while he was filming "WE WERE SOLDIERS" about American Soldiers fighting for Freedom in Vietnam.


NEVER FORGET
53 posted on 02/23/2004 6:26:19 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: Chad Fairbanks; cynicom; diotima
Compare the two lines of the article: This one is from the 1st paragraph:

"The Free Republic Network today announced the unveiling of www.WinterSoldier.com, a new web site to provide news, analysis and research material regarding the false claim by John Kerry and others during the Vietnam era that atrocities were routinely committed by America's military."

and this one is from the 3rd paragraph:

"Kerry testified before the Senate that the United States committed war crimes in Vietnam as a matter of military policy, citing claims of atrocities made at the discredited 'Winter Soldier Investigation' -- an event primarily funded by Jane Fonda.""

The first line implicates all soldiers, which is misleading.

The 2nd line is more accurate. It was Kerry's accuastion that it was military policy to allow war atrocities.

Military policy is what this is about, not the soldiers themselves.

I suggest correcting the first paragraph to reflect "military policy", not "military"....if disproving that is was "policy" is the intent of the investigation.

54 posted on 02/23/2004 6:29:33 AM PST by Rebelbase (The gravy train makes unscheduled stops.)
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To: diotima
YEA! YEA! YEA!

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

GO! GO! GO!

SOCK IT TO EM! SOCK IT TO EM!

I think every media event about Kerry should BEGIN WITH A STANDARD QUESTION:

WHY WON'T KERRY RELEASE HIS MILITARY RECORDS?

All the more so after the idiot on fox this morning bragging about how Kerry released his tax returns every year and was for openness etc. Gag me with a thought!

Thanks for this!
55 posted on 02/23/2004 6:31:33 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
The polaroid of an ear string I saw back in 78' wasn't faked.
56 posted on 02/23/2004 6:32:51 AM PST by Rebelbase (The gravy train makes unscheduled stops.)
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To: Rebelbase
Parsing words to cover ones previous tracks is indicative of an insecure person. Throwing up a smokescreen to hide what you originally posted is indeed questionable.
57 posted on 02/23/2004 6:35:50 AM PST by cynicom
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To: diotima
Just announced on WDRC radio in CT, went over 4 stations on their network,

dont ask me what they are! :)

But, there is 4 stations on their local network, WDRC 1360, 1240 AM, 1470AM and one other
58 posted on 02/23/2004 6:39:47 AM PST by RaceBannon (John Kerry is Vietnam's Benedict Arnold: Former War Hero turned Traitor)
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To: diotima; 1Mike; 3catsanadog; ~Vor~; ~Kim4VRWC's~; A CA Guy; A Citizen Reporter; abner; Aeronaut; ...
Got get 'em!!
59 posted on 02/23/2004 6:44:01 AM PST by Howlin
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To: diotima

60 posted on 02/23/2004 6:46:25 AM PST by Helms (To Paula Zhan @ CNN- is that Botox or is someone/thing beating your cheeks up?)
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To: diotima
Thanks
61 posted on 02/23/2004 6:47:57 AM PST by Eva
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To: cynicom
I take that to mean you agree with the first line, which makes you descpicable, IMO.
62 posted on 02/23/2004 6:48:28 AM PST by Rebelbase (The gravy train makes unscheduled stops.)
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To: Howlin
The Washington Times is one of the few media outlets to understand that Kerry is lying about how he portrayed our soldiers all those years ago.

The lamestream media doesn't understand the concept of research, preferring instead to fulfill their DNC stenographic duties.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm
63 posted on 02/23/2004 6:49:06 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: RaceBannon
Do you mean that wintersoldier.com got mentioned on the radio???
64 posted on 02/23/2004 6:50:10 AM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: All
Everyone should call in to their local radio stations NOW and announce the site!
65 posted on 02/23/2004 6:51:01 AM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: diotima
bttt
66 posted on 02/23/2004 6:53:35 AM PST by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: diotima
Bump!


67 posted on 02/23/2004 6:55:47 AM PST by TheGrimReaper ((o)(o) - Longest-running tagline on FR)
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To: Rebelbase; cynicom; ALOHA RONNIE; WorkingClassFilth; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; diotima; brityank; ..
Like it or not, John Fonda Kerry is about to be done like no Demonrat has ever been done. It might have been more fun to crush Mad Howard Dean but it will cut deeper when we crush "moderate" John Fonda Kerry. This payback is thirty years overdue.

Fondaboy was militantly antiwar as Speaker of the Yale Political Union before he ever saw the inside of a uniform. He asked his draft board to extend his student deferment to allow him to attempt to wait out the war in grad school for "necessary grad work" and his draft board disagreed with that "necessity" and so, like most who were advised that the Navy was safer and you got to take showers and got three square meals a day, Fondaboy enlisted in the Navy (no knock on naval service) but then found out that you really can be at war in the Navy no matter what the street-corner "wisdom" might have been and he found himself in the truly nasty river war in Vietnam. His track record for good fortune was not impressive. If he didn't have bad luck, he would have had no luck at all. Then to extend his nightmare in which he might be called upon to shoot and kill fellow "progressives in a hurry Viet Cong division," lest they shoot and kill him (not recognizing his own "progressive credentials" since he could not wear a Ho Chi Minh or Jane Fonda patch on his uniform), he was INJURED (!!!!), actually injured even though his father had been ambassador to Switzerland and even though he had graduated a good prep school and even though he was a Yale man!!!!! Nicked three times without losing a moment to medical care, he received purple hearts, a bronze star and a silver star. His commander must have been a preppie too or at least a "progressive in a hurry."

Then John Fonda Kerry's luck turned better. After four months in Nam, he asked for and received an early discharge no more honorable than Dubya's so that Fondaboy could run for Congress. First things first, however, and he got somebody else's medals to throw over the fence at the White House, keeping his own in reserve just in case political lightning might strike thirty + years later. He founded Viet Nam Veterans Against the War to lie about our country, its military and better men than himself and to solicit others to lie with him in the "Winter Soldier" fiasco. Some perjured themselves before Congressional committees for sensationalist anti-American coverage and to guarantee the people of Viet Nam a future of communist slavery, repression, torture and summary firing squads. Joan Baez has apologized for being a dupe and a fool whose efforts led to such results. She asked her antiwar comrades to apologize as well to America and to the people of Viet Nam. She took out full page ads in the New York Times to do so at great expense. Fondaboy kept his mouth shut then to "maintain his political viability" as Slick Willie used to say. His mentor, Hanoi Jane attacked Joan Baez.

John Fondaboy Kerry's unoriginal campaign mantra is ripped off from Dubya: "Bring it on!" Well, Fondaboy, that is exactly what we have begun to do and you have only seen the tip of the iceberg. Fondaboy will experience the entire iceberg when he is safely trapped in the Demonratic nomination. What is going to happen to Lurch shouldn't happen to a human and it won't. If Fondababy is squealing like a stuck pig over the mild material tossed his way so far, he ain't seen nothin' yet! He is going to make his former boss, Michael "Snoopy" Dukakis, look like a competent candidate.

68 posted on 02/23/2004 7:03:58 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: diotima

69 posted on 02/23/2004 7:03:59 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: diotima
Wonderful!
70 posted on 02/23/2004 7:07:13 AM PST by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com < go there or be square!)
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To: BlackElk
Like it or not, John Fonda Kerry is about to be done like no Demonrat has ever been done.

Bump -- GREAT rant.

71 posted on 02/23/2004 7:08:23 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: diotima; All
Thank you FR-network.
72 posted on 02/23/2004 7:09:27 AM PST by hoosiermama (Ask Kerry to list the major pieces of enacted legislation he has authored in his career.)
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To: Rebelbase
I suggest that you return to reality and stop joining Fondaboy and his comrades (political not military) in slandering and libeling our nation, its military policies, its military leaders and knock off what amounts to the mantra du jour of anti-American left like the Demonratic candidates for president, International ANSWER, Ramsay Clark, Susan Saranwrap, the dope to whom she is married, Sean Penn and the rest of that trash: "Oooooh, I support the TROOPS but, I oppose the war."
73 posted on 02/23/2004 7:10:32 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: diotima
Very naughty little re-direct there, Dio.

Party on - Excellent! ;)

74 posted on 02/23/2004 7:11:44 AM PST by Libertina (Praavda not challenging enough? Enroll in Abcnbccbscnbccnn Comrade College)
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To: Rebelbase; cynicom
Hey, don't let cynicom hog all the credit, deserving though he may be. I want you to despise me too and for the same reasons! It will be a badge of honor that I will wear proudly. Any other volunteers out there?
75 posted on 02/23/2004 7:13:35 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: diotima
What You Don't Know about John Kerry
76 posted on 02/23/2004 7:13:37 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Rebelbase
LMAO. There is no way to spin this, if you think searching for US "war atrocities" to make Kerry out to be a liar is an admirable quality, I question your morality...its just plain wrong.

I'm not sure you're following this...

The intent of the site is to counter the grotesquely exaggerated claims of atrocities made by Fonda, Kerry, the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and others, with the truth. And the truth is that atrocities did occur, as they occur in all wars, but they were neither widespread nor done as a matter of military policy. Some of the "veterans" who told horror stories at the Fonda / VVAW "Winter Soldier Investigation" never served. Others served but were never assigned to Vietnam -- including members of the VVAW leadership. At least one admitted that his testimony was written for him.

The Winter Soldier propaganda effort trashed the reputations of the overwhelming majority of American servicemen in Vietman, who served honorably. We think it's important for people to know that what John Kerry told the Senate in 1971 was, in fact, a lie.

77 posted on 02/23/2004 7:13:40 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: diotima
Very nice work, yes indeed!

(The re-direct URL is cool, too.)
78 posted on 02/23/2004 7:14:06 AM PST by absalom01
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To: jackbill
Some interesting stuff about Kerry protesting the National Guard in John Podhoretz's column in the NY Post today.

Check it out... the VVAW minutes Podhoretz mentioned showing that Kerry was at the meeting where the RAW event was planned are posted at WinterSoldier.com, in the documents section.

79 posted on 02/23/2004 7:17:32 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: BlackElk
The fist paragraph of the article is mileading. There is a world of difference between using the term "military" and "military policy".

If you can't understand that then you need to look here.

80 posted on 02/23/2004 7:17:40 AM PST by Rebelbase (The gravy train makes unscheduled stops.)
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To: Rebelbase
mileading = misleading
81 posted on 02/23/2004 7:18:14 AM PST by Rebelbase (The gravy train makes unscheduled stops.)
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To: Cboldt; BlackElk
And then there is this side of Kerry:

The Deadly Dozen

Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians

Kerry [Catholic} says he'll filibuster Supreme Court nominees who do not support abortion rights

PETITION TO EX-COMMUNICATE PRO-ABORTION CATHOLIC ELECTED OFFICIALS

Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

Kerry says he alone hasn't 'played games' on abortion

AS KERRY EMERGES, SO DOES CONCERN THAT AS PRESIDENT HE MAY BE DENIED COMMUNION

Archbishop [Raymond Burke] Would Refuse Communion To John Kerry

Kerry raps Pope: Senator fuming over gay marriage order

(re Kerry & Kennedy) Boston Bishop O'Malley Says "It Is Not Our Policy To Deny Communion"

Catholics Attack Kerry on Abortion Stance

KERRY & GAY MARRIAGE

Kerry tells off the Pope

Kerry dodges constitutional ban question (Gay Marriage)

Kerry Signed Letter Endorsing Homosexual Marriage

Kerry Signed Letter Backing Gay Marriage

John Kerry: A Call To Service Excerpt (on being a practicing Catholic)

82 posted on 02/23/2004 7:19:16 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Rebelbase
That ear string must have been four years' old at least and must have been very ripe. Is there a problem with strings of ears taken from Viet Cong or NVA? As I understand it the crack White Tiger Division of the Army of the Republic of Korea, took and wore such ear strings to prove their kills in case the ROK soldier was killed so that his fellow soldiers and family would know he had done well.
83 posted on 02/23/2004 7:19:20 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Elk...

Any time a person stakes out the moral high ground as his domain, the rest of us should give his remarks their just reward. This gentleman made his statement, loud and clear, and now he has to live with it.

84 posted on 02/23/2004 7:20:18 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Rebelbase
If you will not support: Your country, the military, the leadership of the military, military policy and efforts to expunge communism from Vietnam then and Saddamism from Iraq now, you need your silly graphic appended to your eyeballs and, in any event, you leave us to wonder what on earth you are doing at a conservative website. Troll, be gone!
85 posted on 02/23/2004 7:22:44 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
He founded Viet Nam Veterans Against the War to lie about our country, its military and better men than himself and to solicit others to lie with him in the "Winter Soldier" fiasco.

This is inaccurate; Kerry was not a founder of the VVAW.

86 posted on 02/23/2004 7:22:55 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: cynicom; Rebelbase
That was no gentleman. That was rebelbase trashing his country and our military.
87 posted on 02/23/2004 7:24:11 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: diotima

88 posted on 02/23/2004 7:24:15 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Interesting Times
Who did and who served on the board of directors, particularly at the beginning?
89 posted on 02/23/2004 7:25:09 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Salvation
Did you notice at the www.wintersoldier.com web site, there is a lot more of the book posted?
90 posted on 02/23/2004 7:27:30 AM PST by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com < go there or be square!)
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To: Interesting Times
Also: Check out Salvation's link at #76. VVAW Organizer? VVAW Founder? Very little difference.
91 posted on 02/23/2004 7:29:51 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
The VVAW was founded by a guy named Jan Barry Crumb, who later dropped the "Crumb" part. See the current VVAW web site (which is also linked from the front page of WinterSoldier.com) for details. Note that the VVAW of Kerry's day included not only the modern VVAW, but what became the group "Vietnam Veteran Against the War Anti-Imperialist" (VVAWAI).

Those folks are seriously disturbed.

93 posted on 02/23/2004 7:31:17 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: BlackElk
Are you related to Henry the Fifth? Great rant.
94 posted on 02/23/2004 7:31:58 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Rebelbase
This is from the book "Stolen Valor" by B.G. Burkett:

One of them was John Kerry, Vietnam Navy veteran and aspiring politician who had been among those who organized the protest. Kerry flung a handful of medals -- he had received the Silver Star, a Bronze Star Medal, and three Purple Hearts -- over the fence. Kerry spoke later that week before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, putting a face on the antiwar movement far different from the one seen before -- the scruffy hippie or wild-eyed activist. Kerry represented the All-American boy, mentally twisted by being asked to do terrible things, then abandoned by his government.

From start to finish, the public took Dewey Canyon III at face value, not understanding that they were watching brilliant political theater. Kerry, a Kennedy protege with white-hot political aspirations, ascended center stage as both a war hero and as an antiwar hero throwing away his combat decorations. His speech, apparently off the cuff, was eloquent, impassioned.

This is posted on the website WinterSoldier.com

"during the Vietnam era that atrocities were routinely committed by America's military."

The Senate Investigations brought about by "The Winter Soldier Tribunals" failed to substantiate the claims made by Kerry and the others involved. The site has the information in great detail or links to further sites for research.

If you're concerned about the Vietnam Veteran and how he was portrayed after the war this site is vital to a more complete view than the one given out by the media - during the 1960-70's. The image of the Vietnam Veteran as portrayed by Hollywood, and the mainstream media was hugely influenced by the "Winter Soldier" tribunals. It was an inaccurate impression.

Regards,

TS

95 posted on 02/23/2004 7:32:10 AM PST by The Shrew (RightTalk - The New NPR)
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To: diotima
I have been here from the early stages, but FR never ceases to amaze me. This is outstanding!
96 posted on 02/23/2004 7:32:41 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: The Shrew
Thanks for the link.
97 posted on 02/23/2004 7:33:10 AM PST by Rebelbase (The gravy train makes unscheduled stops.)
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To: BlackElk
Also: Check out Salvation's link at #76. VVAW Organizer? VVAW Founder? Very little difference.

Thank you.

It makes a big difference. Our opponents will seize on any minor mistake to discredit what we're doing -- the way they're using the fake Kerry/Fonda photo to discredit any claim that they worked together on behalf of North Vietnam. If anyone finds factual errors on the site, please let us know.

98 posted on 02/23/2004 7:34:57 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: diotima
"The Winter Soldier Investigation was organized by an array of celebrity leftist activists, including Jane Fonda, Dick Gregory, and Donald Sutherland. Musicians Graham Nash, David Crosby and Phil Ochs gave benefit concerts before and during the hearings, but the primary source of funding was Jane Fonda, who had already made multiple visits to Hanoi and was actively working in support of the North Vietnamese regime."

This is not true. Fonda had not gone to Vietnam by this time. This and some of the other claims on that page are not accurate.

It doesn't look like a lot of research has gone into that page. You might want to read some of the books available on the subject, such as those I have cut and pasted excerpts and photos from:

Winter Soldiers, by Richard Stacewicz
Home To War, by Gerald Nicosia

99 posted on 02/23/2004 7:36:41 AM PST by Hon
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To: diotima; SittinYonder
ping
100 posted on 02/23/2004 7:37:03 AM PST by eyespysomething (There is no threat. The Communists are not about to take over our McDonald hamburger stands. JFK '71)
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