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Doonesbury and the Winter Soldier (Free Republic Network)
Townhall ^ | 2-24-04 | Scott Swett

Posted on 02/24/2004 8:56:49 AM PST by Bob J

"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" reads a Doonesbury cartoon character aloud.

"Who said that?" asks the reader’s roommate.

"John Kerry. To the Senate Foreign Relations Committee..."

"Too little, too late," replies the roommate; thinking the quote refers to Iraq.

"...in 1971," finishes the reader.

The message from Doonesbury creator Garry Trudeau is obvious enough: America's military action in Iraq is a mistake, like our failed effort in Vietnam. Our soldiers there are dying for nothing. The decent thing to do is bring them home immediately. And John Kerry, a fellow Yale alumnus who happens to be the probable Democratic nominee for the Presidency, was a visionary, a man ahead of his time. It's just one more installment of Trudeau’s daily political sales pitch.

But there is a story connected to this particular cartoon that will never appear in Doonesbury.

In February of 1971, an event billed as "The Winter Soldier Investigation: An Inquiry into American War Crimes" was held in Detroit by the group Vietnam Veterans Against the War. More than one hundred veterans gave testimony about their experiences in Vietnam during the three-day meeting, as video cameras rolled. The men described being trained and ordered to murder civilians, to torture and kill prisoners, and gave eyewitness accounts of hundreds of atrocities, including group rapes and the burning of entire villages.

In early April, Senator Mark Hatfield asked for the Winter Soldier transcripts to be entered into the Congressional Record and called for an official investigation into American war crimes in Vietnam.

From April 18 - 23, more than a thousand VVAW members staged an "invasion" of Washington D.C. Members of the group held memorial ceremonies, met with sympathetic members of Congress, camped on the Mall, performed "guerilla theater" -- re-enactments of atrocities against civilians, complete with fake blood -- on the Capitol steps and in front of the Justice Department, and held a candlelight march around the White House carrying an upside-down American flag. A number of the veterans threw military medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the Capitol in a gesture of contempt. One of them was John Kerry.

On April 22, Kerry represented the VVAW protestors before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. It was there that he delivered the "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" quote used by Garry Trudeau in Doonesbury. That was not all John Kerry had to say to the Committee, however.

Echoing the talking points of the North Vietnamese leadership, Kerry labeled the Vietnam conflict "a civil war" and called the South Vietnamese government "a corrupt dictatorial regime." He said that the besieged South Vietnamese “only wanted to work in rice paddies without helicopters strafing them and bombs with napalm burning their villages.“ Kerry called racism "rampant in the military," claimed that "blacks provided the highest percentage of casualties," and accused America of placing "a cheapness on the lives of Orientals."

Kerry described the Winter Soldier event in Detroit as “an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.” The veterans, said Kerry, “had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam.” He accused America of being "more guilty than any other body of violations of [the] Geneva Conventions; in the use of free-fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search-and-destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam." Kerry referred to war criminal Lt. William Calley as "a man who followed orders and who interpreted those orders no differently than hundreds of other men in Vietnam," and concluded by calling on his fellow veterans to "conquer the hate and the fear that have driven this country these last ten years and more."

Most of Kerry's remarks before the committee were published later in 1971 in the book "The New Soldier," credited to “John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against The War.” The book also included a timeline and photographs of the march on D.C. and excerpts from the Winter Soldier testimony. A documentary of the Detroit event was later released as "Winter Soldier," winning awards at the Cannes and Berlin film festivals.

Whether in print, on film, before microphones or on the street, the efforts of Kerry and the VVAW focused on a single objective: to convince the public that America’s military was committing vast numbers of atrocities in Vietnam; that they did so casually and routinely, as a matter of policy.

And they succeeded. Many American soldiers returned home from the war to find they were spat upon in the streets, reviled as baby-killers, and treated as pariahs by former friends. For decades the standard media image of a Vietnam veteran -- murderous, filthy, addicted, and too damaged psychologically to cope with civilian life -- was taken directly from the dark canvas painted by John Kerry and the VVAW in 1971.

But strangely, all those horrific accounts of rape, torture, arson and slaughter that the VVAW had recorded in Detroit seemed to evaporate once the real investigation demanded by Senator Hatfield began. As recounted in Guenter Lewy's 1978 book “America in Vietnam,” few witnesses agreed to talk with military investigators, even after being assured that they would not be asked about their own crimes. Many of those who did permit interviews turned out never to have been in combat. Some of the most gruesome claims came from men who were imposters using the names of real Vietnam veterans. One Marine who had been in combat eventually told investigators that a member of the Nation of Islam had helped prepare his statement, and admitted that he had never witnessed any of the atrocities he had testified to in Detroit. In the end, the Navy was unable to verify any of the hundreds of war crimes alleged by the Winter Soldier Investigation. Neither has anyone else during the 33 years since, including journalists, historians, and military and Congressional investigators.

In fact, the entire Winter Soldier Investigation that John Kerry represented so memorably before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was a fraud; a propaganda effort designed to horrify America into abandoning the war in Vietnam by poisoning public opinion against a generation of American soldiers.

The anti-war movement intensified rapidly during the months following the VVAW march on Washington. By January 1973, Congress had voted to eliminate funding for military operations in Indochina. The Nixon Administration signed the Treaty of Paris a few days later, and the first American prisoners of war were released by North Vietnam in February. They had been starved, beaten and tortured by their captors, in an effort to make them sign documents in which they admitted to committing war crimes and atrocities.

All American military personnel left Vietnam by April 1973. North Vietnam initiated minor probing attacks into South Vietnam during the fall of 1974, in violation of the Paris treaty. There was no military response by the United States. In early 1975, North Vietnam launched a massive invasion of South Vietnam. Saigon fell on April 30. The victorious communist regimes, which did in fact commit atrocities and mass murder as a matter of policy, celebrated with a killing spree throughout Southeast Asia. Over the next several years, an estimated two million Cambodians were slaughtered, as were tens of thousands of South Vietnamese. One million South Vietnamese were imprisoned in “re-education camps,” and two million more fled the country.

There is no record that John Kerry spoke out, then or ever, against these war crimes.

In his 1998 book “Stolen Valor,” which documented in detail the results of 10 years of research, B.G. Burkett finally laid the false stereotype to rest. He discovered that Vietnam veterans were actually more successful and psychologically healthy than their civilian contemporaries, and showed that black and white soldiers suffered casualties in about the same proportion as their relative populations in America. Burkett has also used service records from the National Archives to expose thousands of phony Vietnam vets. One was Al Hubbard, executive secretary of the VVAW in 1971 and a primary organizer of the Winter Soldier event who had claimed a heroic combat record as an Air Force pilot wounded in Vietnam. Burkett found that Hubbard was neither a pilot nor an officer, was never wounded, and was in fact never assigned to Vietnam at all.

Court martial records show that American war crimes did occur in Vietnam but were quite rare. The U.S. Army convicted 201 soldiers of serious offenses against Vietnamese, 95 of them homicides. Seventy-seven Marines were convicted, 27 for homicide. About one quarter of the total homicides occurred during combat operations. From 1965 through 1973 about 2,600,000 Americans troops served in Vietnam. In 1971, the year of the Winter Soldier Investigation, there were 690 homicides in Detroit, Michigan, population 1,500,000.

Today America faces a familiar choice: to continue our military operations overseas, or give up and bring the troops home. Does this country have the will to fight a protracted war against the terrorist networks and regimes that planned the mass murder of our citizens, even at the cost of ongoing casualties? Around the world, many people await the answer to that question with keen interest. Not all of them are our friends.

Garry Trudeau’s Doonesbury tells us that John Kerry's words from 1971 are more relevant now than ever; that the War on Terror, like our struggle in Vietnam more than 30 years ago, is immoral and doomed to fail. But history does not always repeat itself, as Saddam Hussein has discovered. It’s not nearly as easy to smear America’s military with false atrocity charges – or to hide a politician’s ugly past -- in the Age of the Internet.

This time, let’s make our choice from the facts.

Not from bloodstained lies.

-- Scott Swett is a director of the Free Republic Network, sponsor of www.wintersoldier.com

©2004 Scott Swett


TOPICS: Editorial; Free Republic
KEYWORDS: 1971; 2004; auto; doomsberries; doonesbury; frn; frncc; hughhewitt; kerry; militaryrecord; scottswett; stolenvalor; swett; thenewsoldier; vietnam; warcriminal
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1 posted on 02/24/2004 8:56:50 AM PST by Bob J
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To: Bob J
How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" reads a Doonesbury cartoon character aloud.

"Who said that?" asks the reader’s roommate.

"John Kerry. To the Senate Foreign Relations Committee..."

"Too little, too late," replies the roommate; thinking the quote refers to Iraq.

"...in 1971," finishes the reader.

I picture:

The bombing of the World Trade Center
The bombing of the Cole
The destruction of the World Trade Center (with people jumping to their deaths to escape the inferno)
The attack on the pentagon
The mass grave of Iraq
The rape rooms of Iraq
The torture rooms of Iraq
The 6000 Kurds killed by chemical weapons

2 posted on 02/24/2004 9:01:43 AM PST by 2banana
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To: Bob J; kattracks; JohnHuang2; Cannoneer No. 4; archy; SAMWolf; RaceBannon; RightOnline; Skeet; ...
In his 1998 book “Stolen Valor,” which documented in detail the results of 10 years of research, B.G. Burkett finally laid the false stereotype to rest. He discovered that Vietnam veterans were actually more successful and psychologically healthy than their civilian contemporaries,

A Salute to our Vietnam Veteran's! Ping your friends to this thread and hit the site!

Outstanding Job!

TS

3 posted on 02/24/2004 9:02:33 AM PST by The Shrew (RightTalk - The New NPR)
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To: Bob J
Very good article. You should submit it to the Washington Times and elsewhere.
4 posted on 02/24/2004 9:06:08 AM PST by GulliverSwift (Keep the <a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/">gigolo</a> out of the White House!)
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To: abner; DoughtyOne; Nick Danger; Bob J; Seeking the truth; MinuteGal; diotima; Libertina; ...
ping!
5 posted on 02/24/2004 9:07:19 AM PST by diotima
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To: Bob J
The message from Doonesbury creator Garry Trudeau is obvious enough: America's military action in Iraq is a mistake, like our failed effort in Vietnam. Our soldiers there are dying for nothing. The decent thing to do is bring them home immediately.

I'm trying, but I can't seem to find a good line of argument to explain how Trudeau's efforts differ from Tokyo Rose's efforts. Maybe that's because there is no discernable difference?

6 posted on 02/24/2004 9:09:06 AM PST by The Electrician
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To: Bob J
Garry Trudeau is an ass, bump
7 posted on 02/24/2004 9:09:18 AM PST by SAMWolf (You've got to be really scummy to make Clinton look honest. - (Samwise, describing John Kerry))
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To: Dog; Howlin; MeekOneGOP
Ping!
8 posted on 02/24/2004 9:09:31 AM PST by diotima
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To: Bob J
Thank You for such a clear cut, logical piece. It lays it all out in a logical, well written way that even the 'mainstream media' can understand. Additionally, I would gladly be the last to die, if it saves our children and way of life.
9 posted on 02/24/2004 9:10:33 AM PST by pc52 (pc52)
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To: SAMWolf
Concur bump
10 posted on 02/24/2004 9:11:55 AM PST by nobody_knows
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To: Bob J; PhilDragoo; snippy_about_it

11 posted on 02/24/2004 9:24:43 AM PST by SAMWolf (You've got to be really scummy to make Clinton look honest. - (Samwise, describing John Kerry))
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To: Bob J
Hey, Kerry spent his whole summer vacation in Nam before he arranged to come back and do what wealthy triators do to keep themselves amused. He says he got medals; let's see the paper work to make sure he didn't just buy them in a surplus store. Benedict Arnold had medals, too, from before he was a traitor. We got to examine the records before we assume the Kerry served honorably during the brief time he was in Nam before he finagled himself out.
12 posted on 02/24/2004 9:26:16 AM PST by Tacis
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To: Bob J
OUTSTANDING!
13 posted on 02/24/2004 9:27:21 AM PST by semaj ("....by their fruit you will know them.")
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To: Bob J; diotima; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; ...
Doonesbury and the Winter Soldier
(Free Republic Network)


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


14 posted on 02/24/2004 9:33:14 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Bob J
Islamofacist Oliphant Garry Trudeau!
15 posted on 02/24/2004 9:37:18 AM PST by .cnI redruM (At the end of the day, information has finite value and may only come at a significant price.)
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To: SAMWolf
One of my coworkers is a diehard Kerry supporter. I need to get one of these stickers and put it on his locker.
16 posted on 02/24/2004 9:38:35 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Eagle Scout class of 1992.)
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To: Interesting Times; Bob J
Good essay.
17 posted on 02/24/2004 9:41:33 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: Bob J; MeekOneGOP

WOW. Bookmarked.

Thanks for the ping, Meek.
18 posted on 02/24/2004 9:42:17 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: leadpenny; Dave Dilegge; Taxman
Ping!
19 posted on 02/24/2004 9:43:22 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: SAMWolf
That's great!!! Good job Sam. That's one everyone can understand.
20 posted on 02/24/2004 9:49:00 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: The Electrician
I can't seem to find a good line of argument to explain how Trudeau's efforts differ from Tokyo Rose's efforts

I haven't read him lately, but Trudeau did have the best Gulf War coverage out there.

21 posted on 02/24/2004 9:50:34 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bob J; Interesting Times; archy; Squantos; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; Cannoneer No. 4
Ping!

TS

22 posted on 02/24/2004 10:01:27 AM PST by The Shrew (RightTalk - The New NPR)
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To: Interesting Times
Outstanding Essay!

Regards,

TS

23 posted on 02/24/2004 10:02:15 AM PST by The Shrew (RightTalk - The New NPR)
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To: sauropod
Thanks. Maybe we can make it into an email virus...
24 posted on 02/24/2004 10:02:28 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Bob J; Interesting Times
Scott, you just gave me goosebumps as well a few tears.

You are a man of many talents.

Freeper Stuff

25 posted on 02/24/2004 10:05:05 AM PST by Seeking the truth (Some oldies/newbies are really full of themselves, aren't they?)
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To: Interesting Times; Bob J
Great article, Scott.

Thanks for posting this, Bob J.
26 posted on 02/24/2004 10:07:39 AM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: Bob J
Thank you. John Kerry should be accountable and punished for his lies.
27 posted on 02/24/2004 10:09:26 AM PST by Ruth A.
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To: Bob J; Interesting Times
Outstanding?

Nah, Just more of the run of the mill stuff that I've come to expect from you.

Concise, yet thorough, well researched and well written and easy to understand, and guaranteed to be ignored by the mainstream media.

Oh. . . I guess that that is OUTSTANDING!
28 posted on 02/24/2004 10:11:16 AM PST by Badray (Make sure that the socialist in the White House has to fight a conservative Congress.)
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To: Interesting Times
Excellent!
29 posted on 02/24/2004 10:17:35 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Tacis
He was an officer in the US military with a fine military record.

He was a war hero, wounded more than once in battle.

Married twice, his second marriage brought him social status.

He was accused of extravagant living.

He sought to betray his country into the hands of its enemy.

He was notorious for working with Clinton to destroy America.

His name?






Benedict Arnold


30 posted on 02/24/2004 11:49:06 AM PST by watchin
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To: Bob J; CapandBall
See also the OLD Doonesbury/Kerry connection, from:

Doonesbury does John Kerry... 1971
Doonesbury.com ^ | Oct 21-23 1971 | GBT

Posted on 02/04/2004 9:31:32 PM PST by CapandBall

October 21, 1971

October 22, 1971

October 23, 1971

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31 posted on 02/24/2004 12:10:31 PM PST by RonDog
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To: doug from upland; ALOHA RONNIE; DLfromthedesert; PatiPie; flamefront; onyx; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Irma; ...

"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" reads a Doonesbury cartoon character aloud.

"Who said that?" asks the reader’s roommate.

"John Kerry. To the Senate Foreign Relations Committee..."

"Too little, too late," replies the roommate; thinking the quote refers to Iraq.

"...in 1971," finishes the reader.

The message from Doonesbury creator Garry Trudeau is obvious enough...

That would be the NEW Doonesbury/Kerry connection, from 2/12/04:

32 posted on 02/24/2004 12:18:07 PM PST by RonDog
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To: diotima
In February of 1971, an event billed as "The Winter Soldier Investigation: An Inquiry into American War Crimes" was held in Detroit by the group Vietnam Veterans Against the War...
See also:

FREEREPUBLIC NET LAUNCHES WEB SITE ON
"WINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION"

JOHNKERRYFORPRESIDENT.INFO ^ | 2/23/03 | Diotima
Posted on 02/23/2004 4:18:08 AM PST by diotima

***NEWS RELEASE***

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE February 23, 2004
Contact: Scott Swett (frn@freeper.org) (703) 863-8033

FREE REPUBLIC NETWORK LAUNCHES WEB SITE
ON "WINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION"
AND KERRY SLANDER OF U.S. TROOPS IN VIETNAM

(Washington, DC) The Free Republic Network today announced the unveiling of www.WinterSoldier.com, a new web site to provide news, analysis and research material regarding the false claim by John Kerry and others during the Vietnam era that atrocities were routinely committed by America's military.

In 1971 former Navy Lt. John Kerry testified before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations about American "war crimes" in Southeast Asia, which he described as "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command". Free Republic Network Director Scott Swett released the following statement:

"John Kerry played a key role in the leftist disinformation campaign that undermined support for the war by slandering a generation of American soldiers as mass murderers of civilians. Kerry testified before the Senate that the United States committed war crimes in Vietnam as a matter of military policy, citing claims of atrocities made at the discredited 'Winter Soldier Investigation' -- an event primarily funded by Jane Fonda."

"The truth is that atrocities were the exception in Vietnam, not the rule."

"Since Senator Kerry has made the strength of his military record a key issue in his pursuit of the Presidency, it is important for voters to have access to a more complete picture of his actions than is available from the Kerry campaign or the media. WinterSoldier.com will document and analyze the activities in which Kerry and others participated during the Vietnam era."

The site features a section on Kerry's hard-to-find 1971 book "The New Soldier" and covers the activities of the group Vietnam Veterans Against the War and its sponsors. New information will be added as it becomes available. Readers are invited to provide feedback, submit editorial pieces, and provide relevant material...
CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

33 posted on 02/24/2004 12:29:15 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
I wasn't aware of the latest Doonesbury drivel, which masquerades as political commentary. But the significance of the cartoon, perhaps unintentionally, is that Kerry is undermining our war effort now by his characterization of our liberation of Iraq as being unnecessary, and yes, a mistake.

What message does this send to our troops in Iraq now? Do we want them to feel that their sacrifice is a mistake? What message does it send to our enemies? Will it raise their hopes that the US will cut and run like we did in Vietnam?

Kerry should be asked this question, "Senator Kerry, you voted for the Iraq War and now you believe it was a mistake. How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

34 posted on 02/24/2004 12:36:03 PM PST by kabar
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To: 2banana
And the more recent murder of an American Green Beret in the Philippines and the wounding of another in which a diplomat at the Iraqi consulate had a hand. That took place just before the invasion of Iraq.
35 posted on 02/24/2004 12:36:41 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Hon
On April 22, Kerry represented the VVAW protestors before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. It was there that he delivered the "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" quote used by Garry Trudeau in Doonesbury.

That was not all John Kerry had to say to the Committee, however...

See also:

KERRY'S TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, APRIL 22, 1971
Senate Testimony ^ | N/A | N/A
Posted on 01/21/2004 4:07:29 PM PST by Hon

VIETNAM WAR VETERAN JOHN KERRY'S TESTIMONY
BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE,
APRIL 22, 1971

Editorial Notes by Dr. Ernest Bolt, University of Richmond

 

By April 1971, with at least seven legislative proposals relating to the Vietnam war under consideration, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee chaired by Senator William Fulbright (Democrat-Arkansas) began to hear testimony. On the third day of hearings, six members of the committee heard comments by John Kerry, a leader of the major veterans organization opposing continuation of the war. Kerry was the only representative of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) who testified on April 22...

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36 posted on 02/24/2004 12:36:44 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Bob J
Anybody who votes for Kerry, or backs his supporters like Hanoi Jane,
isn't worthy of being called an American.
REAL Americans know the truth.
Commies like Kerry and Hanoi Jane don't!
37 posted on 02/24/2004 12:37:35 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Thank You Troops, Past and Present)
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To: mondonico
See also:
Hugh Hewitt on Kerry's VVAW Testimony, via Instapundit [my title]
Instapundit ^ | February 18, 2004 | Glenn Reynolds
Posted on 02/18/2004 1:51:04 PM PST by mondonico

HUGH HEWITT played John Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony on Vietnam on his radio show yesterday and remarks:

I played John Kerry's 1971 testimony on the radio program, and the response was intense. The first two hours brought scores of calls and e-mails which denounced Kerry for his slander of the military that served in Vietnam and for his understanding of the war. Kerry has thus far successfully dodged a discussion of the specifics of his testimony, and it was very hard to find the audio --it took my producer Duane considerable digging to find the tape.

The impact of actually hearing Kerry slander the military--his accent is unbelievable, and his tone of arrogance and condescension repulsive-- is powerful, and I do not believe he can serve successfully as Commander-in-Chief given the reactions I heard from veterans and currently serving military.

Hewitt links to a text version, but unfortunately the audio isn't available. I hope that someone will put the audio online so that more people can listen and decide for themselves...

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38 posted on 02/24/2004 12:41:46 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
The impact of actually hearing Kerry slander the military--his accent is unbelievable, and his tone of arrogance and condescension repulsive-- is powerful...
Kerry's condescending "New England" accent on that old 1971 audio reminds me of THIS guy:



Natalie Schafer and Jim Backus as
Mr. and Mrs. Howell on "Gilligan's Island"

39 posted on 02/24/2004 12:46:40 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Bob J
Powerful article my FRiend. Bookmark bump.

We can't afford to have this pampered lump of blind political ambition screw this country once again. The stakes are far too high this time around.

40 posted on 02/24/2004 1:06:32 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: TXFireman
ping
41 posted on 02/24/2004 1:15:20 PM PST by Jonx6
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To: Bob J
Geez, I've got so many of these Kerry articles bookmarked, I'm afraid I'll overload my storage.

Great article.
42 posted on 02/24/2004 1:33:38 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: Bob J; Interesting Times
Very nice Mr. T.
43 posted on 02/24/2004 2:09:03 PM PST by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com < go there or be square!)
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To: abner; The Shrew; LurkerNoMore!
Thanks!
44 posted on 02/24/2004 2:41:52 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Bob J
Kerry and Trudeau must have really good security details.

Otherwise they'd have been publically shamed by some of our citizens from South Vietnam
who survived the benevolent "re-education" camps of Kerry's allies.

(end bitter sarcasm)
45 posted on 02/24/2004 3:32:33 PM PST by VOA
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To: Bob J
As a Viet Nam veteran long aware of the treachery of Mr. Kerry and his fellow travelers let me thank say thank you for presenting the facts of their treachery in so clear and succinct a fashion. I have not previously seen the case against them made so well as you have done it here!
46 posted on 02/24/2004 3:53:31 PM PST by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: Bob J
In essense, John F*ing Kerry was saying there are NO VALUES worth dying for...including freedom.

That's the way Libs think.
47 posted on 02/24/2004 4:08:06 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: RonDog
He must NOT get ANYwhere NEAR the White House!!!
48 posted on 02/24/2004 4:22:23 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: MeekOneGOP; SAMWolf; Bob J; RonDog; snippy_about_it; onyx; The Shrew; autoresponder; Grampa Dave; ..
The victorious communist regimes, which did in fact commit atrocities and mass murder as a matter of policy, celebrated with a killing spree throughout Southeast Asia. Over the next several years, an estimated two million Cambodians were slaughtered, as were tens of thousands of South Vietnamese. One million South Vietnamese were imprisoned in “re-education camps,” and two million more fled the country.

There is no record that John Kerry spoke out, then or ever, against these war crimes.

Kerry slandered all two and a half million American fighting men in Vietnam as "war criminals, murderers, rapists".

Yet, ironically, the ONLY war crime Kerry personally witnessed was his self-confessed killing of the Vietnamese mother with child and his murder of the wounded combatant.

Kerry harvested three grape-colored Band-Aids and the undying gratitude of Vo Nguyen Giap and Colonel Bui Tin.

AID AND COMFORT: JANE FONDA IN NORTH VIETNAM, Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer, page 80:

Here is an exchange between The Wall Street Journal and Col. Bui Tin, a dedicated Communist for most of his life, and one of the first officers of the North Vietnamese army to enter Saigon on the day it fell.

Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

A: It was essential to our strategy. Support for the war from our rear [from China] was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda. . .gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses.

KERRY 2004
AntiDefense
AntiIntelligence
AntiAmerican Since 1971

49 posted on 02/24/2004 5:07:38 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Bob J; Congressman Billybob; BillF
Great essay, Scott! Thanks for posting, Bob.

One wonders if there is a statute of limitations for perjuring oneself before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations?

Hanoi John Effing Kerry (and the others who testified) certainly lied, and if they did so under oath, they should be brought up on charges.

Any FReeper Attorneys want to address that question?
50 posted on 02/24/2004 5:35:11 PM PST by Taxman
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