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FR MOVIE REVUE: THE PASSION OF CHRIST (post your comments here)
2/24/04 | FR MOVIE REVIEWERS

Posted on 02/24/2004 11:28:50 AM PST by Liz

All the world is waiting for the powerful message in Mel Gibson's ground-breaking film, The Passion of Christ.

Post here your own personal reactions after seeing the film set to open tomorrow, Ash Wednesday. Passion has previewed in some areas.

Also post reviews and pertinent comments from your state and area's newspapers and publications.


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To: PoisedWoman
Wow..excellent review!

I must say that I hadn't thought about it before, but another poster said in the thread that to them each lashing of the whip represented a single sin being whipped away for all mankind. I haven't seen the film, and I'm grateful to those who have for not posting complete theatrical spoilers. :)

I'm not entirely sure I'll see the movie in it's theatrical run, I may end up just waiting it out for the DVD.

101 posted on 02/24/2004 6:28:17 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Liz
TSL is a wonderful satirical work. I seem to come back to read it every few months and I am getting to the point where I can almost remember which "letter" it is that applies to a particular situation.

I received TSL and Mere Christianity as a Christmas gift a few years back. Alas, we were invited to a Birthday celebration and I suggested that a nice gift would be TSL or "MC". A hectic time didn't allow us to get to the store; my wife saw that I had cracked open TSL and not "MC" so my copy of "MC" became the gift. LOL - I haven't yet received my promised replacement...

RG
102 posted on 02/24/2004 6:30:29 PM PST by RippinGood
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To: MineralMan
I'm just offering the reason I'm not going to see it.

I guess what I find odd is why you would think we would care one way or the other why an atheist would or would not want to see this film. I came to this thread to read reviews about the film, not wade through self-absorbed posts by atheists who supposedly don't give a rip about religion yet are drawn to religious threads like bears to honey.

103 posted on 02/24/2004 6:30:42 PM PST by plain talk
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To: gatorgriz
You disgust me... You truly do...

Why might that be? Because he doesn't believe what you believe, and even though he says it politely, the very concept offends you?

104 posted on 02/24/2004 6:31:39 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Mamzelle
"re: CS Lewis
Anglican Catholic convert? He was Anglican, I thought...?"

Correct!
105 posted on 02/24/2004 6:32:57 PM PST by walden
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To: BigSkyFreeper
A little friendly advice. Try approaching subjects or individuals you disagree with sometime with an open mind. You and everyone around you will be a lot better off.

It seems to me that "approaching subjects with an open mind" is precisely why he writes, "Because of that and because of the large numbers of people who believe that myth to be true, I'm always interested in depictions of the story."

I'm interested in how you could interpret it in the exact opposite manner.

How much of an "open mind" do you have towards "individuals you disagree with", like him for example?

106 posted on 02/24/2004 6:35:59 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: MineralMan
Mel's film features a key character who is the personification of that almost inaudible voice of deception whispering in our ear. (Mel refers to Lewis' book in his narration of how he went about making the film).

Just as an aside, in a newer revised version of STL (at Barnes and Noble) there's a notation inside about a country minister who remarked that after reading the book, he could have almost believed the devil wrote it. LOL. The genius of Lewis.

107 posted on 02/24/2004 6:36:32 PM PST by Liz
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To: Mamzelle
"Anglican Catholic convert? He was Anglican, I thought...?"

You are correct.

108 posted on 02/24/2004 6:36:38 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: MineralMan
If you don't get it, you won't get it.
109 posted on 02/24/2004 6:36:53 PM PST by CroftonFreeper (Liberals are the problem.)
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To: Liz
Bump for later.
Seeing the movie at 6:15 tomorrow night.
110 posted on 02/24/2004 6:37:08 PM PST by Thinkin
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To: MineralMan
As you can see from my tagline, I'm an atheist

However, from my many readings of the Gospels, this film appears to tell just part of the story of Jesus...the ugliest part.

LOL!!!

It is the MOST BEAUTIFUL PART!!! He died for us, He KNEW He was going to, and He did so willingly! He LOVED us that much!

The night before Jesus died, He spoke to His disciples and said to them:

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

John 15:13

Where you see UGLINESS.. we see only BEAUTY.

I will pray that one day you will know the peace, beauty, forgiveness, and LOVE of Christ!

111 posted on 02/24/2004 6:40:04 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: MineralMan
"For me, the Jesus story is an archetypal myth, one repeated in several mythologies. Because of that and because of the large numbers of people who believe that myth to be true, I'm always interested in depictions of the story."

I am an atheist too, but you just seem scared to watch the movie. Sorry, but it is kind of obvious. I will watch the movie because I want to support Mel Gibson for going against the establisment and risking his own wealth in doing so.

Another reason I will see the film is because all the liberals are attacking it. I hope it is the biggest hit of the year.

112 posted on 02/24/2004 6:40:10 PM PST by Crispy
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To: Liz; Sir Valentino; Bush_Democrat
A new FReeper review here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1084810/posts

The poster, Sir Valentino, has been asked to re-post his review on this thread. I hope he will...it's a good one.

113 posted on 02/24/2004 6:43:54 PM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: MineralMan
For me, the Jesus story is an archetypal myth

Granted that you qualify it as applying to yourself, but the reporting of the events surrounding Jesus are nothing like an archetypical myth.

Time, dates, places and people are cited in the reporting, which is contemporaneous -- and deemed so by standard scholarship -- and from multiple sources.

114 posted on 02/24/2004 6:44:01 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: Irene Adler; walden
Lewis' writings are used as a textbook example of exemplary Catholic teaching. The teachings are almost identical regarding divorce, abortion, homosexuality. More recently after many years of discussion, the Anglican church reached rapproachment with Rome.
115 posted on 02/24/2004 6:44:53 PM PST by Liz
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To: lonevoice
Thanks for the link. I'm looking forward to his contribution to the thread.
116 posted on 02/24/2004 6:46:23 PM PST by Liz
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To: Fury
It sure shouldn't. From what I've heard even Jewish leaders who've seen it respected that it is a CHRISTIAN movie about our faith, and said it was a moving experience.

Lets see how many people can show "religious tolerance" when it comes to our faith!

It is wise to remember that Jesus was a Jew and a Rabbi! Christianity began with HIM!

117 posted on 02/24/2004 6:47:00 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: AppyPappy
"I can't imagine that it would be any interest to anyone but a Christian. From a non-spritual aspect, it's a depiction of a man being tortured to death. If you don't know the background, it would seem rather pointless. "

I am going with my brother and 2 friends who are not Christians to watch this movie. I think this movie is going to be popular to a wide range of people.

118 posted on 02/24/2004 6:47:22 PM PST by Crispy
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To: Ichneumon
Read the thread... It speaks for itself. I'm not going to do it for you!
119 posted on 02/24/2004 6:48:44 PM PST by gatorgriz ("The world is full of bastards - the number ever increasing the further one gets from Missoula, MT")
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To: Crispy
I will watch the movie because I want to support Mel Gibson for going against the establisment and risking his own wealth in doing so. Another reason I will see the film is because all the liberals are attacking it. I hope it is the biggest hit of the year.

Right on, baby. That's what we like to hear on this forum.

120 posted on 02/24/2004 6:48:46 PM PST by Liz
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To: plain talk
I guess what I find odd is why you would think we would care one way or the other why an atheist would or would not want to see this film.

I found it interesting.

I came to this thread to read reviews about the film,

Clearly this thread is intended to be not merely a clipbook of reviews, but also discussions of the impressions that Freepers have about those reviews. Many believers have already commented on the public reviews, are you going to complain about them too?

not wade through self-absorbed posts by atheists who supposedly don't give a rip about religion

Where did he say that he "didn't give a rip about religion"? On the contrary, he made it entirely clear that he was quite interested in it.

yet are drawn to religious threads like bears to honey.

No more so than the Christian creationists who swarm into almost every science thread to "explain" how wrong mainstream science is.

And I wasn't aware that film reviews were somehow a "religious" topic, regardless of the subject matter. Should only Southerners be allowed to express opinions on "Gone With The Wind"?

And could some folks be a bit less defensive, please?

121 posted on 02/24/2004 6:49:18 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Thinkin
Look forward to your review.
122 posted on 02/24/2004 6:50:34 PM PST by Liz
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To: gatorgriz
Read the thread... It speaks for itself.

I did, and I found nothing "disgusting" about the poster you have attacked.

I'm not going to do it for you!

You're not going to defend your insults either, I see.

123 posted on 02/24/2004 6:51:08 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: commish
Thanks for not flaming me. Posting my review made me nervous - I sincerely don't want to offend anyone - but it's the truth, for me at least.

To answer your questions:

Was the film moving? The first third of the movie was interesting because the violence wasn't overwhelming. I felt as though I was learning something.

The whipping scene was moving because it was so unjust and graphic. From then on, the film became grueling to sit through. If I didn't have to watch it for work-related reasons I would've left.

So the film began as both interesting, educational, and moving but as it went on, became monotonous, difficult, and numbing.

To answer your second and third questions: it was very interesting to see a portrayal of the crucifixion done in a contemporary style. I think a retelling of Jesus' life that included Jesus' teachings, done with Hollywood-style production values could make for a fascinating film.

As it stands now, "The Passion" doesn't leave a great impression. Simply put, I was repelled by the violence, and there wasn't much more to the film beyond the violence. To be fair, I'm sure that there will be non-believers who will want to learn more. Especially since the film raises far more questions than it answers.

Hope this helps.
124 posted on 02/24/2004 6:52:27 PM PST by ReasonGuy
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To: Crispy
I am an atheist too, but you just seem scared to watch the movie. Sorry, but it is kind of obvious.

I don't find that "obvious" at all. What do you believe he would be "afraid" of?

125 posted on 02/24/2004 6:55:20 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: SamAdams76
Some liberal columnist up here in Boston wrote a column in the Boston Herald that anybody taking their child to see this movie should be arrested for child abuse.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but I think it's irresponsible. Someone on another thread said he's taking his 6 yr old daughter this weekend (based on seeing it already). I don't care how "mature" or well-schooled in the gospel, no child that age should be watching this film.

126 posted on 02/24/2004 6:55:27 PM PST by workerbee
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To: Liz
More recently after many years of discussion, the Anglican church reached rapproachment with Rome.

Canterbury's position on ordination of women slowed things down considerably, and the more recent USA Episcopal Church "consecration" of a practicing homosexual as "bishop" has effectively killed any hope of reconciliation between the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church.

127 posted on 02/24/2004 6:56:17 PM PST by Martin Tell (I will not be terrified or Kerrified.)
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To: Martin Tell
Thanks for all your great contributions to the thread.

BTW I never meant to imply Lewis was a Roman Catholic. Anglican and Catholic beliefs are similar on key issues. Lewis' work is used by Catholics as an example of Catholic teachings. In recent years, the Anglican church--after many years of discussion---reached rapproachment with Rome.

128 posted on 02/24/2004 6:58:47 PM PST by Liz
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To: Martin Tell
I think there is a separationist Anglican church forming over the homosexual issue.
129 posted on 02/24/2004 7:00:49 PM PST by Liz
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To: Ichneumon; gatorgriz; plain talk; BigSkyFreeper
Ichneumon,

It would be much easier if you could enumerate in advance what we are allowed to think and post here. It is embarrassing that some are so impertinent as to post inaccuracies which you must then labor to correct.

Please, share with us little, unenlightened proles your monumental wisdom and mammoth powers of open-mindedness BEFORE we make such mistakes in front of the whole world.

Basking in your blindingly enlightened presence,

Skooz
130 posted on 02/24/2004 7:01:17 PM PST by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: ReasonGuy
Interesting posts, thanks.
131 posted on 02/24/2004 7:02:09 PM PST by Jhensy
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
[this film appears to tell just part of the story of Jesus...the ugliest part.]

LOL!!! It is the MOST BEAUTIFUL PART!!! He died for us, He KNEW He was going to, and He did so willingly! He LOVED us that much!

While choosing to sacrifice can be a beautiful thing, that doesn't make the actual physical event itself beautiful (consider someone falling on a hand grenade, for example), which I believe was his point, especially if the film's focus seems to be more on the gruesome aspects than on the spiritual ones, as quite a few reviews have asserted.

Where you see UGLINESS.. we see only BEAUTY.

I've read several dozen reviews of the film, and even the most complimentary reviews indicate that the depictions of the violence are indeed not "only beauty".

132 posted on 02/24/2004 7:03:05 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Liz
If advertising content or MTV has no potential adverse impact on the social fabric, why has anyone raised any objection to whatever is included in the presentation by Mel Gibson? Is there a special decoder ring to "tell" the average bubba-viewer when okay-PC material is headed our way? If so, please send me the address so that I can subscribe.
133 posted on 02/24/2004 7:03:53 PM PST by pointsal
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To: pointsal
Nice, very nice, take. Love your allusion to the "decoder ring." LOL. It's all about hypocrisy. That is all.
134 posted on 02/24/2004 7:06:52 PM PST by Liz
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To: MineralMan
I hope it proves valuable to others, but I'll not be there.

Since most people on this thread are too kind, I will say it. I wish you weren't here. Basically, you're the turd in the punch bowl, uninvited on this thread. Who cares what a so-called "Godless Athiest" thinks about the The Passion of Christ. I don't and I doubt many others do either.

This movie has touched people of faith in a profound way, please let them bask in its glory. There are too few movies from Hollywood that don't degenerate Christianity, let them enjoy this one.

As a personal side note, I am also fearful of seeing this movie. That says a lot about the power of it.

135 posted on 02/24/2004 7:07:29 PM PST by BushCountry (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity! Oh yea, rub her feet.)
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To: Ichneumon
Well, it seems you are the one being quite defensive and I wasn't even posting to you, whoever the heck you are (what? yet another atheist sniffing at the honey?)
136 posted on 02/24/2004 7:09:00 PM PST by plain talk
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To: ReasonGuy
To answer your second and third questions: it was very interesting to see a portrayal of the crucifixion done in a contemporary style. I think a retelling of Jesus' life that included Jesus' teachings, done with Hollywood-style production values could make for a fascinating film.

I've heard that Gibson has said if this movie is a success he may do more movies based on Bible stories. A movie, produced by Gibson, about Christ's life and/or movies based on Old Testament stories would be fascinating.

137 posted on 02/24/2004 7:15:06 PM PST by alnick
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To: ReasonGuy
Hope this helps

It does, very much. Thank you again.

I think a retelling of Jesus' life that included Jesus' teachings, done with Hollywood-style production values could make for a fascinating film.

Maybe mel will get message's like this and make a "prequel" so to speak ;-)

Seriously though, If you are interested, check out "The Greatest Story Ever Told" -- It is a great movie which covers much more than just Jesus teachings. Another good one is "Jesus of Nazereth".

Finally, if you can put up with 5 hours worth of movie, "The Gospel According to John" is a magnificent retelling of Jesus life and ministry.

138 posted on 02/24/2004 7:15:06 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Skooz
It would be much easier if you could enumerate in advance what we are allowed to think and post here.

Anything you like. As am I.

It is embarrassing that some are so impertinent as to post inaccuracies which you must then labor to correct. Please, share with us little, unenlightened proles your monumental wisdom and mammoth powers of open-mindedness BEFORE we make such mistakes in front of the whole world.

Oh, puh-lease... When I have a question about someone's post, I ask it. If their reply helps me better understand their position, great, that's how I learn. Or if they find they don't have a good answer and reconsider what they've written, that's fine too. Either way we gain a fuller appreciation of the ideas and views being talked about.

This is called "discussion". Surely you've heard of it.

Basking in your blindingly enlightened presence,

Sighing at your attempt to shut down discussion by being defensive and sarcastic.

139 posted on 02/24/2004 7:15:41 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: workerbee
I don't care how "mature" or well-schooled in the gospel, no child that age should be watching this film.

Roger Ebert's review said that if it had been anyone besides Jesus depicted on that cross, it would have unquestionably been rated NC-17.

I imagine that the film will bring out the best and the worst in people, much like this thread has done.

140 posted on 02/24/2004 7:15:43 PM PST by hunter112
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To: Liz
I saw this movie tonight, courtesy Campus Bible Fellowship at UNC Charlotte. So here comes my review.

The movie is phenomenal. The flow is good, and not hindered at all by the subtitles. The acting was fantastic. I don't know where Mel got these people, but he did a good job with the talent. The scenery is also good. You feel as if you're in ancient Israel.

Now for the two important keys. Will it inspire anti-semitism? Nope. You'll be ticked at the Jews. Then you'll HATE the Romans mocking him. Then, when Jesus asks for forgiveness for all who have wronged him (forgive them for they know not what they do), you realize how pointless hate is. Very powerful stuff.

Second important point. Is it true to the gospel, and a powerful performance? Yes it is true to the gospel, and it is the most powerful movie I have ever seen. When the credits came on, nobody even moved a muscle. The whole theater sat there in silence. When people did start leaving, the only noise you heard was sobbing. Yup, that kind of movie. Two thumbs up, according to the Black Knight, a must see.

141 posted on 02/24/2004 7:23:16 PM PST by The Black Knight
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To: plain talk
Well, it seems you are the one being quite defensive

About what, exactly?

and I wasn't even posting to you, whoever the heck you are

Neither was MineralMan posting to you, "whoever the heck you are", but you still felt the desire to critique his post. So why do you object when I respond to yours?

(what? yet another atheist sniffing at the honey?)

I again suggest that some folks would benefit from being less defensive -- and add to it the advice that trying to force discussions into an "us versus them" viewpoint usually isn't a good thing either.

142 posted on 02/24/2004 7:24:48 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: King Black Robe
I saw the movie last night. The point of the movie is that perfect sinless Jesus, God's Son, submitted himself (thousands of angels could have rescued Him if He asked) to mindless torture and execution to tell you and me how very much God loves each one of us! He paid the price for our sin for all time. The penalty for sin is eternal death. Jesus died for me.........I don't have to die.......He saved me because I accepted His gift of eternal life.
143 posted on 02/24/2004 7:25:39 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: Ichneumon
Sighing at your attempt to shut down discussion by being defensive and sarcastic.

Sarcastic, yes. But no one here but you is "attempt[ing] to shut down discussion." You have belittled and ridiculed post after post because they failed to grovel at the feet of your atheistic brother.

I have had discussions with MineralMan before and he is quite capable of handling himself. He doesn't need an incomprehensibly smug and superior fellow atheist flaming those who have posted disagreements with his words.

Smugly dismissing someone's faith, for which they would die, as a mere "myth" is deeply offensive to some. The fact that they would have the audacity to post that within your eyesight is no invitation for a wannabe-intellectual smackdown. We have all come to this thread to read reviews by those who have seen the movie. You came here to be a hall monitor to keep the small-minded little superstitious Christians in line.

144 posted on 02/24/2004 7:26:17 PM PST by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: The Black Knight
Thank you for an excellent review.
145 posted on 02/24/2004 7:27:32 PM PST by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: commish
Seriously though, If you are interested, check out "The Greatest Story Ever Told" -- It is a great movie which covers much more than just Jesus teachings. Another good one is "Jesus of Nazereth". Finally, if you can put up with 5 hours worth of movie, "The Gospel According to John" is a magnificent retelling of Jesus life and ministry.

Movie reviewer Jeffrey Westhoff has written a very good overview of all available prior "life of Jesus" films here: "Screen Savior: Films about Jesus have ranged from sacred to profane ... to downright silly."

146 posted on 02/24/2004 7:28:45 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Skooz
Scarborough just asked a rabbi, point blank, which part of the movie was factually incorrect, or unfairly harsh to the Jews... He stumbled and said "I'm not a Christian scholar but"... He didn't see the movie, doesn't know the teachings of the bible... He should just STFU.
147 posted on 02/24/2004 7:29:35 PM PST by NYC Republican ("LIE after LIE after LIE after LIE" - TK. GOP Reaction? {{{{{crickets}}}}})
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To: Ichneumon
Another "debater" attempt to hone his 'skills'. Ah jeez.
148 posted on 02/24/2004 7:31:14 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Blake#1
It's called poetic license & Suspension of Disbelief. It's a movie. The church burning was put in for dramatic effect and to instill a greater hatred of the British.
149 posted on 02/24/2004 7:32:38 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: The Black Knight
Whoa. Thank you for your wonderful review. I find myself already reaching for the kleenex box when I read some of these early reviews, such as yours. Better take two boxes to the movie.
150 posted on 02/24/2004 7:32:48 PM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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