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FR MOVIE REVUE: THE PASSION OF CHRIST (post your comments here)
2/24/04 | FR MOVIE REVIEWERS

Posted on 02/24/2004 11:28:50 AM PST by Liz

All the world is waiting for the powerful message in Mel Gibson's ground-breaking film, The Passion of Christ.

Post here your own personal reactions after seeing the film set to open tomorrow, Ash Wednesday. Passion has previewed in some areas.

Also post reviews and pertinent comments from your state and area's newspapers and publications.


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To: Liz
"Perhaps you would be good enough to post your excellent review on this thread."

Ask and ye' shall receive....

I saw the movie last night,,, The movie wasn't violent in the "normal" Hollywierd sense...no gratiutous violence, just unrelenting barbarity agains one man.....

The movie was indeed powerful and I was surprised how much of Satan was woven into the film. Every key scene where Jesus is under severe stress, Satan appears either in the foreground or background.....

The movie truly reflected the Stations of the Cross... It helped visulize the first communion and capturedthe essence of the time.

The whipping scene was gruesome but when they brought out the scourgers, this scene was very intense and I would not not allow my kid's until they were at least ten years old.

NeverGore :^)

201 posted on 02/25/2004 6:26:28 AM PST by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: Liz
There are a ton of reviews of the film at the RottenTomatoes.com page for it.

(RottenTomatoes is *the* internet resource for film reviews.)

202 posted on 02/25/2004 6:31:54 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Blake#1
One caution however, Mr. Gibson's "hatred" of all things Protestant English makes him exagerate. One example, the British burning the congregation in a church in the film "Patriot". Never happened!

That scene caused a minor furor. The initial reaction from what turned out to be uninformed commentators was that it never happened.

However, long after it was out of the public eye, published reports came out documenting that it did. These reports provided the details, all the way down to a specific church burned with congregation inside.

203 posted on 02/25/2004 6:32:42 AM PST by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever.)
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To: nevergore
I saw the movie last night,,, The movie wasn't violent in the "normal" Hollywierd sense...no gratiutous violence, just unrelenting barbarity agains one man.....

Gibson said last night that he tried to give the audience "escape hatches," like flashbacks, to deal with the violence. Did you notice that?

204 posted on 02/25/2004 7:03:10 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Ichneumon
Thanks for the link.

Did not expect this from the Dallas Morning News.


"Controversy aside, it is dramatically intense, skillfully constructed and often harrowing, in ways that should have an impact on people of any or no particular faith." -- Chris Vognar, DMN

205 posted on 02/25/2004 7:53:06 AM PST by Liz
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I saw The Passion of the Christ last night. Yes, it is very violent but the violence doesn't "stick" with you..how that's done is the most interesting thing about the movie, cinematically. A very beautiful movie with subtle allusions to various views of the atonement. I'll definitely see it again. My favorite scene was when Christ was being lifted on the cross: the music swells triumphally, Mary and others stand up and one senses the victory over sin and death. While I'm on themes perhaps more eastern orthodox/methodist than roman catholic/reformed, tho it went by quickly, it also seems that the Holy Spirit was said to "come from the Father."
206 posted on 02/25/2004 8:09:25 AM PST by tdunbar
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To: keats5
Thanks for the post. I have a ticket for a 5 pm showing today. My wife and I have talked about the movie with our sons (12 and 10). They both are interested in seeing it. I am pretty sure the 12 year old would do fine, but I'm not so sure about the 10 year old. I know I'll have a better idea after I see it, but I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to reply with your family's experience.
207 posted on 02/25/2004 8:10:32 AM PST by Boss_Jim_Gettys (I am one of Bush's henchmen.)
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To: Doctor Don
The point of the movie is that perfect sinless Jesus, God's Son, submitted himself (thousands of angels could have rescued Him if He asked) to mindless torture and execution to tell you and me how very much God loves each one of us! He paid the price for our sin for all time. The penalty for sin is eternal death. Jesus died for me.........I don't have to die.......He saved me because I accepted His gift of eternal life.

Wow! Worth repeating.

208 posted on 02/25/2004 8:12:38 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: BushCountry
"Since most people on this thread are too kind, I will say it. I wish you weren't here. Basically, you're the turd in the punch bowl, uninvited on this thread. Who cares what a so-called "Godless Athiest" thinks about the The Passion of Christ. I don't and I doubt many others do either."

Sorry for the delay in responding to your post. I left my office for the day, shortly after posting.

You're very clear in believing that no non-Christian should have any opinion about this film. That's very short-sighted, in my opinion. I'm not discouraging anyone else from seeing it...that's everyone's personal choice. I merely said that I would not see it, despite my interest in the Jesus story.

I gave my reasons for that decision, but did not comment on Christianity at all. Since I am an atheist, of course I refer to the story of Jesus as a myth. Sorry, but that's my belief. The mythology of societies is one of my primary interests. I'm as interested in the myths of the Roman gods as I am in the myths of Jesus. Myth is my word, since I simply don't believe in the supernatural side of the story. The real side of the story is more than adequate for me to find it interesting, and I don't doubt that a man named Jesus or Joshua was executed for being a religious and political troublemaker. The story has great power, obviously, since it has survived over 2000 years and has accumulated a huge mass of followers.

I'm happy for anyone who has some sort of religious belief, and wish them the best.

I began by commenting on this film and gave the reasons why I wouldn't see it. You respond by telling me to go away. I will not go away. In this nation, and here on Free Republic, I have the right to my viewpoint, as long as I express it in a way that does not break the rules of the forum and of society.

I'm being polite; I'm denigrating nobody. I'm in no way suggesting that people skip the movie. I'm sorry you don't appear able to accept the fact that not everyone agrees with you on every topic.
209 posted on 02/25/2004 8:15:56 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Ichneumon
If you ever wanted to see the ignorance of the Hollywood Media, it's all on display with those reviews. Only a true secularist could call the movie unaccressible. The backstory is the gospels and I'd highly recommend anyone seeing the movie giving John a once over before attending.

The guy who said the movie was the most anti-semtic thing since Nazi Germany has an agenda and is not interested in the truth.

210 posted on 02/25/2004 8:19:25 AM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: MineralMan
I wish you would see the movie. Your comments would provide a great perspective to a film that is limited in its scope.
211 posted on 02/25/2004 8:22:37 AM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: Fury; Religion Mod; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
Must agree. But I don't think this thread needs to go that direction.

Prayers that it will stay a review thread.
212 posted on 02/25/2004 8:27:32 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: af_vet_1981
"That is one reason why it is so important he publicly repudiate his father Hutton's teaching and comments about Holocaust Denial and Antisemitism."

Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee," Exodus 20:12

I think for Mel to publicly repudiate his father would not be to honor him. Devout as Mel is, I doubt he wants to violate the commandment even if he disagrees strongly with what his father says. That's just my scarcely educated $.02, though.

213 posted on 02/25/2004 8:35:21 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: ReasonGuy
No one took his life, he gave his life.
214 posted on 02/25/2004 8:41:51 AM PST by eyespysomething (I'm thinkin', I'm thinkin'!! Hold yer horses.)
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To: bigeasy_70118
"I wish you would see the movie. Your comments would provide a great perspective to a film that is limited in its scope.
"

I'm not currently planning to view the film, but it's possible that I may change my mind, or at least view it when it appears on DVD. My wife is leaning toward seeing it, so that may be another factor.

If I do see it, I'll post my thoughts on the film.
215 posted on 02/25/2004 8:57:06 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: T.Smith
Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee," Exodus 20:12 I think for Mel to publicly repudiate his father would not be to honor him. Devout as Mel is, I doubt he wants to violate the commandment even if he disagrees strongly with what his father says. That's just my scarcely educated $.02, though.
    If that is your position (it is not mine; you honor your parents by obeying them as they obey G-d; if they sin you correct them; otherwise you do not love them and you enable and perpetuate shame and dishonor on them and the entire family)

      Given your assertion that if a father publicly teaches antisemitism the son should remain silent to obey the commandment
    1. Does you mean that if a father publicly teaches abortion the son should remain silent to obey the commandment ?
    2. Does you mean that if a father publicly teaches adultery the daughter should remain silent to obey the commandment ?
    3. Does you mean that if a father publicly teaches treason the son should remain silent to obey the commandment ?
    4. Does you mean that if a father publicly teaches perjury the daughter should remain silent to obey the commandment ?

216 posted on 02/25/2004 8:59:08 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Yes, the flashback scenes were skillfully interwoven with the barbarity and cruelty Jesus was suffering. Whenever the brutality became numbing, Jesus would find a single person in the crowd, either a disciple or Mary and a flashback of a better time would occur. The same occurred for Mary and Peter as they viewed either the crucification or his "trial".

Particularly poignant was the scene when Jesus fell carrying the cross as Mary watched from the crowd. She flashed back to when Jesus was a toddler and fell down on the ground and as any good mother she ran to help, nurture and hold Jesus. The same as when he fell carrying the cross.....

NeverGore
217 posted on 02/25/2004 9:05:57 AM PST by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: EternalHope
As a retired history (USA) teacher I would like more information on the "Church Burning". Could you possibly point me in the direction of getting to some facts on the subject? Thanking you in advance...

Blake#1 (only because there is already a Blake)
218 posted on 02/25/2004 9:06:10 AM PST by Blake#1
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To: af_vet_1981
As I stated, it was suggested as a posibility and just "my scarcely educated $.02". I don't care to debate the post with you.

Have a nice day.
219 posted on 02/25/2004 9:08:07 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: OldFriend
That is NOT what King said at all! He was talking about people who hate Christians -- believe it or not there are such people
220 posted on 02/25/2004 9:08:16 AM PST by MizRiz9
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To: MineralMan
You're very clear in believing that no non-Christian should have any opinion about this film.

Without getting in a shouting match, you actively seek out religious threads just to flaunt your "Godless Atheism". As if it were a "Badge of Courage". I am not deeply religious, but I cringed when you stuck your head in this thread for no other reason then to once again proclaim your Atheism (the cliff notes).

Again, this is a deeply inspiring movie for people of faith and those who need inspiration. Two many movies attack the Christian faith and portray them as lunatics. Hell, you have the news media doing that now. All I was asking, is that for you to let these threads be, wear your badge another day. Let the faithful enjoy this God-Inspired movie without interference.,p> This is a powerful movie that has moved the faithful and soon will inspired countless millions on a deeply religious level, which is something a "Godless Atheist" cannot comprehend. I don't understand it either, but I know not to stick my head where it don't belong.

221 posted on 02/25/2004 9:10:39 AM PST by BushCountry (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity! Oh yea, rub her feet.)
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To: T.Smith
As I stated, it was suggested as a posibility and just "my scarcely educated $.02". I don't care to debate the post with you. Have a nice day.

I see you are a fan of (The Hobbit, J.R.R. Tolkien)

"Good Morning!" said Bilbo, and he meant it. The sun was shining, and the grass was very green. But Gandalf looked at him from under long bushy eyebrows that stuck out further than the brim of his shady hat.

"What do you mean?" he said. "Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not; or that you feel good this morning; or that it is a morning to be good on?"

"All of them at once," said Bilbo.

...

"Good morning!" he said at last. "We don’t want any adventures here, thank you! You might try over The Hill or across The Water." By this he meant that the conversation was at an end.

"What a lot of things you do use Good morning for!" said Gandalf."Now you mean that you want to get rid of me, and that it won’t be good till I move off."

222 posted on 02/25/2004 9:17:48 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: nevergore
Particularly poignant was the scene when Jesus fell carrying the cross as Mary watched from the crowd. She flashed back to when Jesus was a toddler and fell down on the ground and as any good mother she ran to help, nurture and hold Jesus. The same as when he fell carrying the cross.....

Oh, that is heartrending ...

223 posted on 02/25/2004 9:19:24 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: BushCountry
"Without getting in a shouting match, you actively seek out religious threads just to flaunt your "Godless Atheism". "

This is not a "religious thread." It is a discussion of a movie. The movie has a religious theme, but the thread is about the movie.

I gave an opinion about why I was not planning to see this film. Several people responded in kind, discussing why they were or were not planning to see the film.

Others questioned my sincerity. I am very sincere about this topic. I'm not making fun of anyone's religious beliefs; I'm discussing a film.

I am an atheist. That's my personal lack of belief only. I would never attempt to discourage anyone from their own beliefs, but I will explain my atheism or direct people to my profile, where I explain it.

Being an atheist is not a crime. It is just a personal lack of belief. My atheism is not the reason I am not planning at this time to skip this movie. I've studied all the major religions of the world because I am interested in the social reasons religions exist. To that end, I read a great deal of scripture and discussions of scripture. It's an interest of mine, and that's the reason I get involved in threads dealing with religion.

My tagline is there to make it clear that I am not a believer in any religion. I'm not masking anything, and folks are free to draw whatever conclusions they wish.

Again, I am not against any religion or any believer.

This is a thread about a movie.
224 posted on 02/25/2004 9:22:20 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Aquinasfan; ILBBACH
ping
225 posted on 02/25/2004 9:27:03 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: EternalHope
However, long after it was out of the public eye, published reports came out documenting that it did. These reports provided the details, all the way down to a specific church burned with congregation inside.

Let me know if you find a source for it.

As far as a church burning massacre, there is no record of one taking place during the Revolutionary War. The most famous case of such an event took place in Oradour, France on June 10, 1944. Nazi SS soldiers herded the town's entire population of women and children into the church and burned the church down. The men were taken to another town building and shot. The SS spent several hours carrying out their destruction of the town.

There may have been an empty church burned and perhaps this is where he derived his artistic license from.

226 posted on 02/25/2004 9:27:36 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
No, I am not. This is as much of Tolkien as I have read.

That is a very cute and original way to insult me, BTW. But, your proddings not withstanding, I'm still not interested in a debate. My post was just me "thinking out loud". My convictions are not firm enough, nor my insights deep enough, for me to carry on about it.

Good day.
227 posted on 02/25/2004 9:29:27 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: MineralMan
This is a thread about a movie.

You made my point, it is not about a movie! It is about a regilious event in a turbulent time for people of faith. That is why you don't belong, it is beyound your comprehension because of your conviction to "Godless Atheism".

I think this movie is a MIRACLE inspired by devine intervention, its appearance coming in the midst of our moral decline (gay marriage debate, etc...). This is coming from someone who is not strong in faith and has been touched by this movie without ever seeing it.

228 posted on 02/25/2004 9:34:02 AM PST by BushCountry (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity! Oh yea, rub her feet.)
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To: eyespysomething
I have only seen the ads for this film and already I am profoundly affected. It has forced me to examine my faith.
I will never look at a crucifix the same way again.
229 posted on 02/25/2004 9:34:25 AM PST by Fishface
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To: T.Smith
That is a very cute and original way to insult me, BTW.

Insult ?

I did not call you Lobelia, Otho, or Lotho of the Sackville-Baggins clan. That would be an insult. Being compared with Bilbo Baggins is an honor.

230 posted on 02/25/2004 9:40:28 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: BushCountry
FR MOVIE REVUE: THE PASSION OF CHRIST (post your comments here)

Above is the title of the thread. It is a thread about a movie. The movie is about one aspect of the core beliefs of Christianity. If you remember, I said that the reason I wasn't planning to attend was because it covered just that single aspect. I did not say that people shouldn't go to it. I didn't say that it wasn't a powerful film. I said that I, personally, was not planning to attend.

The movie itself is not a miracle. It is a movie. It was created by a film-maker, not by any deity.

Even Christians disagree about the value of the film. For me, it's just a personal reason that I'm not going to see it. That's unusual for me, since I have seen every film I know of about Jesus. I've read dozens of books about Jesus and Christianity.

I'm just not planning to see this film, for the reasons I offered at the very beginning of this thread, which _is_ about the movie.
231 posted on 02/25/2004 9:40:53 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: EternalHope
However, long after it was out of the public eye, published reports came out documenting that it did. These reports provided the details, all the way down to a specific church burned with congregation inside.

There were a multitude of errors in the movie, not unusual, of which the Church burning was most prominent. If there was an incident, Mel clearly didn't know about, or he would have offered the explanation.

I be curious the hear the details of the incident.

232 posted on 02/25/2004 9:41:21 AM PST by SJackson (Visit http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Blake#1
"....the British burning the congregation in a church in the film "Patriot". Never happened!

Your source(s), please.

233 posted on 02/25/2004 9:41:26 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Mel could speak out and express his own opinions on those issues without directing his comments towards his father. In other words, Mel's father (and I'm horribly paraphrasing to make the point clear) says "I don't believe in the Holocaust." Mel says "I do believe in the Holocaust". I think that addresses your concern about being "silent".

What Mel doesn't have to do is say "I disagree with my father about the Holocaust". Anyone obviously can draw that conclusion because of the difference in their opinions, but Mel himself does not directly denigrate his father.

234 posted on 02/25/2004 9:41:31 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: BushCountry; MineralMan
This is a thread about a movie. You made my point, it is not about a movie! It is about a regilious event in a turbulent time for people of faith. That is why you don't belong, it is beyound your comprehension because of your conviction to "Godless Atheism".

I thought those were the people the film was destined to influence?

235 posted on 02/25/2004 9:42:55 AM PST by SJackson (Visit http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: af_vet_1981
Not being a fan maybe it's over my head.

I actually interpreted it to mean that you thought I had "Kerry-fied" the verse. That perhaps you were accusing me of using the verse to mean whatever I wanted it to mean at whatever point I decided to use it. And, that you were further suggesting that, having been caught, I was refusing to clarify my meaning.

Did I read too much into it?
236 posted on 02/25/2004 9:44:44 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: SJackson
"I thought those were the people the film was destined to influence?"

Hmm..do you mean non-believers? If so, then I have to disagree. This film probably was not aimed at them. Since it presents only a small portion of the story of the Gospels, it doesn't seem to me to be that great a film for converting the unconverted.

The death of Jesus is just one part of the story. I know that the film does touch on the Resurrection briefly, but that's not it's focus.

I think Gibson intended the film to be one which would reinforce the beliefs of those who are already Christians. I'm sure it will have that effect on the Christians who attend.

Films like "The Greatest Story Ever Told," would seem to be a better overview for the non-Christian.
237 posted on 02/25/2004 9:46:52 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Interesting to hear the comments from an atheist...even if you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, you can still be astonished by the impact made by this one man...

"Here Was A Man"
(To be spoken--Johnny Cash-like--over a lonely keyboard version of "Joy to the World")

"Here was a man...a man who was born in a small village, the son of a peasant woman. He grew up in another small village. Until He reached the age of thirty, He worked as a carpenter; then, for three years, He was a travelling minister. But He never travelled more than two hundred miles from where He was born, and where He did go, He usually walked. He never held political office, He never wrote a book, He never bought a home, He never had a family, He never went to college, and He never set foot inside a big city, yet...here was a man.

Here was a man...though He never did one of those things that you usually associate with greatness, He had no credentials but Himself. He had nothing to do with this World, except through the Divine Purpose that brought Him to this World.

While He was still a young man, the Tide of Popular Opinion turned against Him. Most of His FRiends ran away...one of them denied Him, one of them betrayed Him and turned Him over to his Enemies. Then, He went through the mockery of a Trial and was nailed to a Roman Cross between two thieves. And even while He was dying, His executioners gambled for the only piece of property He had in this World, and that was His robe, His Purple Robe. When He was dead, He was taken down from the cross and laid in a borrowed grave, provided by a compassionate FRiend.

More than Nineteen Centuries have come and gone, and today He's the Centerpiece of the Human Race, Our Leader, and the Column to Human Destiny. And I think I'm well within the mark when I say that All of the Armies that Ever Marched, All of the Navies that Ever Sailed, All of the Legislative Bodies that Ever Sat, and All of the Kings that Ever Reigned...All of Them Put Together have not affected the Life of Man on this Earth so Powerfully as that One Solitary Life...

Here was a man."

FReegards...MUD

238 posted on 02/25/2004 9:48:58 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: T.Smith
I actually interpreted it to mean that you thought I had "Kerry-fied" the verse. That perhaps you were accusing me of using the verse to mean whatever I wanted it to mean at whatever point I decided to use it.

No. I think you sincerely offered your opinion on the verse and the reason for Mel's silence. I offered mine in return.

239 posted on 02/25/2004 9:50:33 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
Then I apologize for jumping to conclusions. Maybe I'm just too accustomed to being down range.

Cheers.
240 posted on 02/25/2004 9:52:12 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: MineralMan
Films like "The Greatest Story Ever Told," would seem to be a better overview for the non-Christian.

You're obviously right in that the Passion is not an "overview". It's about as focused as you can get.

What I do think is important even from a secular perspective is to understand exactly what kind of suffering Jesus knowingly endured. Most modern folk have no real conception of the horrible things that can done to the human body, and that were done throughout history. But people back then knew because they saw it, which is one of the things that makes Jesus' sacrifice so powerful to them. I mean, enduring that abuse and forgiving the people who did is in incredibly powerful.

Actually seeing what Jesus endured voluntarily in a far more graphic manner than the sanitized version that traditionally has been portrayed gives the viewer a better perspective on why Jesus' sacrifice had such an impact. And I think that's true regardless of whether or not one approaches the movie from a religious perspective.

I suppose the analogy may be how Saving Private Ryan and the more "modern" wave of war movies helped non-veterans better understand exactly what "war" is, and the scope of the sacrifices made by the guys who fought.

241 posted on 02/25/2004 9:57:05 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead
How difficult is it to say, "He's my dad. I love him. He's wrong about this (the Holocaust and Antisemitism). I love him anyway, just like Jesus loves me."

I'm left thinking that Yeshua of Nazareth has not yet reached Mel with a full impact.

    Instead he says
  1. "My dad taught me my faith and I believe what he taught me. The man never lied to me in his life," he said, when asked about Hutton's controversial comments. "He lost his mother at two years of age. He lost his father at 15. He went through the Depression. He signed up for World War Two, served his country fighting the forces of fascism. Came back, worked very hard physically, raised a family, put a roof over my head, clothed me, fed me, taught me my faith, loved me. "I love him back. So I'll slug it out, until my heart is black and blue, if anyone ever tries to hurt him."
  2. In one statement bound to add fuel to the fire of anti-Semitism charges, Gibson accused "modern secular Judaism" of trying "to blame the Holocaust on the Roman Catholic Church." "It's a lie. And it's revisionism," said Gibson, a follower of Traditionalist Catholicism that still performs the Latin Tridentine mass. "And they've been working on that one for a while."
  3. About Frank Rich, the New York Times columnist who implied Gibson's father is "a Holocaust denier," the director had some choice – and inflammatory – words: "I want to kill him. I want his intestines on a stick. I want to kill his dog." Gibson said: "He never denied the Holocaust. He just said there were fewer than 6 million."
  4. As proof of his desire to avoid confrontation, Gibson cited his decision to cut a scene in which Caiaphas says "his blood be on us and on our children" soon after Pontius Pilate washes his hands of the captive Christ. "I wanted it in," he said. "My brother said I was wimping out if I didn't include it. But, man, if I included that in there, they'd be coming after me at my house. They'd come to kill me."

242 posted on 02/25/2004 9:58:42 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: T.Smith
Maybe I'm just too accustomed to being down range. Cheers

I understand that feeling. Cheers.

243 posted on 02/25/2004 9:59:20 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: MineralMan
"I thought those were the people the film was destined to influence?"...Hmm..do you mean non-believers? If so, then I have to disagree. This film probably was not aimed at them.

I'd tend to agree with your analysis, it's not a complete picture, and IMO likely difficult to understand without some background. However rightly or wrongly the expectations for the film as an evangelical tool are very high.

244 posted on 02/25/2004 10:00:27 AM PST by SJackson (Visit http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Liz
Here's a balanced review in today's San Francisco Comical of all places.

Thanks, but no thanks. It sounds like another non-Hollywood extravaganza, shallow, vulgar, violent, just like the Hollywood extravaganzas it tries to outhollywood!

245 posted on 02/25/2004 10:01:21 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Mudboy Slim
"Interesting to hear the comments from an atheist...even if you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, you can still be astonished by the impact made by this one man...
"

Indeed, and that's the basis of my interest in the overall story. Christianity has, arguably, been the most influential religion in history, since Western civilization has, over the past few hundred years, made the most progress in most areas.

Still, Christianity is the religion of only about 1/3 of the world's population. Islam is second. Hinduism, Buddhism, and secularlism follow, although not necessarily in that order.

Each of the religions has made a powerful impact on the societies which embrace it. That is the reason religion is a central interest of mine...one that I have studied, now, for almost 40 years.

246 posted on 02/25/2004 10:03:09 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: BushCountry
"Who cares what a so-called "Godless Athiest" thinks about the The Passion of Christ."

I--for one--am interested...you don't have to believe in the divinity of Christ--which I do--to recognize him as a great and influential man. How this movie affects an atheist is interesting to me.

Hope that don't make me a turd, too...LOL!!

FReegards...MUD

247 posted on 02/25/2004 10:03:22 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: MineralMan
Thanks fer adding yer thoughts to this thread...MUD
248 posted on 02/25/2004 10:04:43 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: XJarhead
What Mel doesn't have to do is say "I disagree with my father about the Holocaust". Anyone obviously can draw that conclusion because of the difference in their opinions, but Mel himself does not directly denigrate his father.

I understand his silence, but Hutton has pushed his son very close to the line, particularly to the extent that he and his ilk use use the movie promote his views.

The "Honor thy Father" issue is a straw man, I can't imagine his faith requires or even allows him to commit a transgression (not saying he's there yet) on that basis.

Other public figures associated with or commenting on the film who refuse to condemn Hutton and his antisemitic beliefs (which Mel characterizes as a sin)should be condemned.

249 posted on 02/25/2004 10:07:59 AM PST by SJackson (Visit http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Mudboy Slim
"Thanks fer adding yer thoughts to this thread...MUD"

Thanks for hearing what I'm actually saying, rather than what you think I'm thinking. I hope that makes some sense. [grin]
250 posted on 02/25/2004 10:08:36 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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