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FR MOVIE REVUE: THE PASSION OF CHRIST (post your comments here)
2/24/04 | FR MOVIE REVIEWERS

Posted on 02/24/2004 11:28:50 AM PST by Liz

All the world is waiting for the powerful message in Mel Gibson's ground-breaking film, The Passion of Christ.

Post here your own personal reactions after seeing the film set to open tomorrow, Ash Wednesday. Passion has previewed in some areas.

Also post reviews and pertinent comments from your state and area's newspapers and publications.


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1 posted on 02/24/2004 11:28:51 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
It was the most amazing thing I've ever experienced and I highly recommend it to all but the most cynical Christian haters. I do recommend caution regarding children. It is very difficult to watch. Boys will be able to handle it at a younger age than girls.
2 posted on 02/24/2004 11:32:33 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: Liz
Liz,

Thanks for posting this. I am hoping to see it right after work tomorrow. I have two sons (10 and 12) and would also appreciate FReeper comments on the suitability of the movie for the younger crowd.

Boss_Jim

3 posted on 02/24/2004 11:35:29 AM PST by Boss_Jim_Gettys (I am one of Bush's henchmen.)
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To: Liz
As you can see from my tagline, I'm an atheist. That, however, does not mean that I am not familiar with the story of Jesus.

I've been reading reviews of this film for a few days now, trying to decide whether or not I will attend. At this point, I do not plan to see this film.

Not because I am uninterested; I am. However, from my many readings of the Gospels, this film appears to tell just part of the story of Jesus...the ugliest part.

It seems to neglect much of what Jesus taught. Yes, the Gospels tell of Jesus' crucifixion at the hand of the Romans. It tells much more, though, and only the Passion is depicted in this film. That's fine, of course, and is Mr. Gibson's particular emphasis.

I will be interested in reading what others write about the film.
4 posted on 02/24/2004 11:37:59 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: King Black Robe
KBR, thanks for your post. Knowing that it depends on the child, what age range (boys for me!) would you think able to handle the movie?
5 posted on 02/24/2004 11:38:37 AM PST by Boss_Jim_Gettys (I am one of Bush's henchmen.)
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To: King Black Robe
So you assume that if we're not christian than WE are the haters.......have you read some of the comments from the posters on these threads?
6 posted on 02/24/2004 11:42:41 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: MineralMan
I can't imagine that it would be any interest to anyone but a Christian. From a non-spritual aspect, it's a depiction of a man being tortured to death. If you don't know the background, it would seem rather pointless.

Such a strange way to Save the world.
7 posted on 02/24/2004 11:44:21 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: OldFriend
Learn to read
8 posted on 02/24/2004 11:44:46 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: OldFriend
So you assume that if we're not christian than WE are the haters

That may have been what you heard but that's not what he said.

9 posted on 02/24/2004 11:45:31 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys
This movie could be a wonderful reawakening for this Christian nation. One caution however, Mr. Gibson "hatred" of all things Protestant English makes him exagerate. One example, the British burning the congregation in a church in the film "Patriot". Never happened! Why would he put it in the movie?
10 posted on 02/24/2004 11:46:02 AM PST by Blake#1
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys
I think many boys could handle the movie (they will cry, but so did I) as young as eleven. I think 14 is closer to an acceptable age for most girls. Of course it depends on the individual child, but that's my general thought on the subject.

Make them aware that it is very graphic before you go, but that it illustrates the very high price Jesus paid for the sins of mankind. And He did rise again.

11 posted on 02/24/2004 11:46:23 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: King Black Robe
I'm going tomorrow at 6:15 PM with my wife, my 15 yr old and 12 yr old boys. We're leaving home the 10 yr old, 5 yr old, and 2 yr. old.
12 posted on 02/24/2004 11:46:43 AM PST by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
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To: Solson
Smart. That sounds like perfect judgement to me.
13 posted on 02/24/2004 11:47:31 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: Liz
Let's hope this thread does not turn into religion "war", as it has on several other threads which asked for opinions on the movie.
14 posted on 02/24/2004 11:47:52 AM PST by Fury
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To: Liz
This film apparently is also of interest to at least some non-Christians. A couple I know who are not involved with religion (but respect different relgions) said that after reading reviews they are looking forward to seeing it.
15 posted on 02/24/2004 11:52:15 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Liz
Liz, I applaud your effort to gather FReeper reviews on one thread. Unfortunately, I've yet to see a thread about The Passion of the Christ that hasn't devolved into a contentious theological debate. It's really getting wearisome! It seems that some people who have no interest in seeing this movie just can't resist dropping inflammatory posts into these threads. Maybe we can get some moderator assistance to keep at least one thread from drifting off the topic that you've proposed here?

I, for one, would love to read a thread of reviews and discussion by FReepers who have actually seen the movie and will be following your thread hoping for that.

16 posted on 02/24/2004 11:52:41 AM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: MineralMan
Of course the movie doesn't tell everything about Christ - It is about the last twelve hours.
17 posted on 02/24/2004 11:53:10 AM PST by roylene
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To: MineralMan
It seems to neglect much of what Jesus taught. Yes, the Gospels tell of Jesus' crucifixion at the hand of the Romans. It tells much more, though, and only the Passion is depicted in this film.

From a Christian's standpoint, Jesus as Rabbi and Teacher has been done in every conceivable fashion. Jews and Muslims recognise "Christ as a great teacher who taught us all to love." That we should be nice to each other, that we should take care of each other; these are important concepts...and they are ideas that many other regular humans have proposed again and again.

Gibson's vision of the project is to show that Christ died for our sins, and rose again. Most of us in the faith know that Christ was treated horribly, but there is a difference from "reading about it in a book" and actually standing on a streetcorner in Jerusalem watching the bloody man go by on the way up the hill.

For the potential "Great Awakening" factor in this, many supposed Christians today were innoculated into the Church. Many modern Christians that see this were "raised in the faith", and wear it like a shabby overcoat that is comforting to own, but never take it out and look at it and consider what it really is. The fact that God would take the form of man, live our life with its joys and fears, and like the Lamb of Hebrew sacrifice, lay down and experience a physical death, something that God had not and could not before do, so that by God's rules, humankind could be made clean...that is a remarkable singularity that occurs nowhere in the religions that Man has invented to work his way to Heaven. Gibson's point is that God would undergo this horrific death to reach down to man as a bridge to something greater and more pure than we in the flesh can earn.

Christ as teacher? Been there, done that, bought the tunic. Christ as savior? This movie is going to expose people who would be scared to walk into a church to the Grace of God. "Come for the novelty...stay for the Salvation."

18 posted on 02/24/2004 11:56:59 AM PST by 50sDad (OK, I give in. Visit my website! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: Fury
Let's hope this thread does not turn into religion "war", as it has on several other threads which asked for opinions on the movie.

Perhaps we can all agree on this: Christ, as part of God, died a physical death to pay for our sins, and all that accept this are made part of God's Family. Does this work for everyone?

19 posted on 02/24/2004 11:58:38 AM PST by 50sDad (OK, I give in. Visit my website! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: Solson
"I'm going tomorrow at 6:15 PM with my wife, my 15 yr old and 12 yr old boys. We're leaving home the 10 yr old, 5 yr old, and 2 yr. old."

I plan to see the movie tomorrow evening and decide whether or not to take my 10 and/or 12 year old boys to see the film. I would be interested in the the reaction of your sons, especially the 12 year old, if you are willing to post.

20 posted on 02/24/2004 11:59:04 AM PST by Boss_Jim_Gettys (I am one of Bush's henchmen.)
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys
I am going to see the movie tomorrow morning at 11 am and will post afterwards Not taking my kids ages 11 and 8 until I see it and then I will decide ...
21 posted on 02/24/2004 12:04:41 PM PST by alisasny (John Kerry is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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To: roylene
"Of course the movie doesn't tell everything about Christ - It is about the last twelve hours."

Yes, I understand that. I'm not criticizing the film. I'm just offering the reason I'm not going to see it. I'm not suggesting that anyone else not see it. I'm not bashing Christians or Christianity.

For me, the Jesus story is an archetypal myth, one repeated in several mythologies. Because of that and because of the large numbers of people who believe that myth to be true, I'm always interested in depictions of the story.

22 posted on 02/24/2004 12:08:04 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Liz
I have gotten the chance to see a private showing tonight at 7:30 pm est. I am glad I am going with friends and family.
23 posted on 02/24/2004 12:08:16 PM PST by smokeyb
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To: Liz
A sampling of "professional" reviews is a bit perplexing:

Ebert and Roeper enthusiastically liked this film. Each acknowledged the violence but sincerely saw beyond that.

All the other reviews seem to be fixated with the violence, and are rating it anywhere from one to three stars because of the violence and their incredible assertion that there is little or no story. What story is more recognizable and well known that the story of the crucifixion?

Meanwhile, Lord of the Rings and Braveheart were both tremendously violent, yet the same reviewers were slobbering over themselves (rightfully) trumping Braveheart's 'authentic' battle scenes and LOTR's 'intensity'.

The media just does not get it. Aside from Ebert and Roeper, the film critics' circle seems to be wringing its hands over a story that failed to reach them on any level deeper than a Tomb Raider sequel. How incredible a discrepancy is it where routine stories of weeping general audience members can be contrasted with a bunch of professional filmgoers who are suddenly disturbed by blood and gore?

I've said it a million times: Hollywood will not allow this film to win any critical acclaim or industy accolades. It is venomously anti-Christian (especially anti-Catholic) and it will remain that way...

24 posted on 02/24/2004 12:10:21 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys
I'll be happy too. My 12 year old has actually asked to see it and is excited about it. He hates blood and gore so his reaction will indeed be interesting...
25 posted on 02/24/2004 12:11:20 PM PST by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
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To: MineralMan
I think the movie portrays the most neautiful part of Christ's ministry. That is His willingness to die and bear all that pain and humiliation for US. We are not worthy.
26 posted on 02/24/2004 12:12:58 PM PST by copwife
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To: MineralMan
I think the movie portrays the most neautiful part of Christ's ministry. That is His willingness to die and bear all that pain and humiliation for US. We are not worthy.
27 posted on 02/24/2004 12:13:09 PM PST by copwife
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To: MineralMan
I think the movie portrays the most neautiful part of Christ's ministry. That is His willingness to die and bear all that pain and humiliation for US. We are not worthy.
28 posted on 02/24/2004 12:13:37 PM PST by copwife
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To: MineralMan
However, from my many readings of the Gospels, this film appears to tell just part of the story of Jesus...the ugliest part.

Actually this is the most beautiful part of the Gospels. Every one of those lashes represent one of my sins that he had to die for. In the end he forgives me for the sins I put on the most perfect sacrifice. He is the living God the beginning and the end. I used to be an atheist and found I didn't have the faith to follow that religion and began to wonder if there was a God and who Jesus was. I would recommend going and watching. I have my ducket for tommorrow and am leaving my 12 year old son for 2 more years.

Keep an open mind to God and his love and mercy for you and me. God Bless!

Pray for W and The Truth

29 posted on 02/24/2004 12:14:30 PM PST by bray (Commrade Kerry handcuffed our intellegence agencies!)
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To: Liz
My son just got home from school and was all excited about this movie. He told me about a couple of young men that my son attends HS with work at our local theater. They were allowed to see the movie early ( one of their "perks" ). One of them has been telling all of the students at my son's HS to see the movie. This one gave his life to Christ last night after viewing the movie and is telling everyone about what Jesus did for "him". My son said the other young man was quieter today than normal and not so much a cut up as he normally is. I can't say for sure as I don't know the boy but, my son speculates that what he saw on the movie screen last night has stayed with him throughout today. My son said that there is a large group of his friends that have agreed to get together this weekend and see the movie. Funny thing is they aren't all going at night like they normally do. They are all getting together for the 10:00AM matinee Saturday morning. My family will be seeing this tomorrow night with our church. I can't wait.
30 posted on 02/24/2004 12:15:33 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: AppyPappy
I can't imagine that it would be any interest to anyone but a Christian.

I'm not a Christian. Neither are the others who are going with me to the noon showing tomorrow.

31 posted on 02/24/2004 12:22:57 PM PST by per loin
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To: lonevoice; Liz
It seems that some people who have no interest in seeing this movie just can't resist dropping inflammatory posts into these threads.

Just a suggestion, but as a kick-off to the season of Lent, and the attendant pressure it puts on all Christians to act in a Christian manner, and to offer up sacrifice, let all of us Christians who are willing refuse to engage those hurling the insults or seeking to enflame.

It's as simple as not responding; granted, not altogether easy to do but worth it in the end. This non-respnse has a two-fold advantage: it strengthens the will and the mind of the person refusing to trade insult for insult, and it leaves the insulter soley sullied.

Again, just my 0.02 worth, and is certainly what I intend to do. Unless there is a flagrant abuse of civility, don't appeal to the moderators, let the dead bury the dead.

32 posted on 02/24/2004 12:25:45 PM PST by AlbionGirl ("Ha cambiato occhi per la coda.")
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To: AlbionGirl
Does it qualify if we just respond with a message that says, "I gave up flaming for Lent"?
33 posted on 02/24/2004 12:31:42 PM PST by Bush_Democrat (Now EX-democrat!!)
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To: 50sDad
WOW! What a great post!
34 posted on 02/24/2004 12:34:26 PM PST by dixierose (American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God)
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To: MineralMan
... this film appears to tell just part of the story of Jesus ... the ugliest part....

... and the most beautiful part. That's one of the greatest marvels and mysteries about "the cross" -- in it we see both the wrath of God against sin, but also the gracious love of God toward people like me who've fallen very short.

When I watch the film this weekend, I will be thinking of what kindness the Lord has shown by taking the punishment I have earned for my rebelliousness and selfishness.

35 posted on 02/24/2004 12:37:34 PM PST by Theo
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To: Rutles4Ever; All
Movie Review: Mel Gibson`s Passion
SeaMax News | 2/24/2004 | Fr. Michael Reilly


If art conveys beauty, truth, and powerful emotions, then Mel Gibson is the Michelangelo of the twenty-first century.

Gibson and his crew used powerful imagery, artistic imagination, and expert cinematography to accurately portray the sufferings of Jesus as recounted in the Gospels and in tradition.

"It is as it was," in the words of Pope John Paul II. The movie opens with Jesus in the Garden of Gethsamane and concludes with his resurrection.

Some pointed features:

• To emphasize the centrality of Jesus' passion, the rest of Jesus' life is recounted only in flashbacks. For example, as Jesus is forgiving the Roman soldiers who brutalized him, there is a flashback to Jesus teaching about love of enemies.

• As the Stations of the Cross reflect Jesus' suffering through the eyes of Mary, Gibson shows us Mary's reaction to everything that happens to Jesus. After Jesus, Mary is the most important person in the film.

• Gibson shows the devil moving behind the scenes to engineer the death of the Messiah, only to be duped into engineering his own defeat.

• Unique details from each of the four gospels are used as well as unique details from the Stations of the Cross, such as Jesus meeting his mother, Veronica wiping his face with her veil, and his several falls while carrying the cross. This allows for a very rich portrait of the Passion that can touch many people.

Who is guilty of the crime of killing Christ? Everyone. The devil orchestrates it. Judas betrays him. Peter denies him. The leaders of the Jews hand him over. Pilate orders it and the Roman soldiers carry it out with fierce brutality. But Gibson emphasizes that the guilt extends beyond the characters in the movie to each of us as we kill Christ with our sins. Mel actually holds the nail which pierces Jesus’ hand.

Will this film inspire ant-Semitism? I can't see how. The film evokes deep and powerful emotions, but anger and hatred are not among them. No one who watches this film could be moved to hatred of anyone, but rather the viewer is moved to practice Jesus’ message of love.

Are the Jewish leaders the villains? Caiphas the High Priest and his cohorts are villains, but Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea defend Jesus at his trial. Gibson also embellishes the role of Simon of Cyrene, a Jew who helps Jesus carry the cross and is visibly moved by Jesus’ suffering.

In point of fact, the sheer brutality and sadism of the Roman soldiers is far more striking than the role of the Jewish leaders.

In short, Mel Gibson has given us a very moving and powerful image of Jesus’ crucifixion and death, a portrait that will make a deep and lasting impression for generations to come.


36 posted on 02/24/2004 12:39:54 PM PST by Liz
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To: PleaseNoMore; Liz
I saw The Passion last night and wrote the following to a close friend who's debating whether to go. Here are my comments...I'm not going to debate your comments on my comments, so just take them as my opinion and personal reactions and move on, please.

I'd seen the hour-long special The Making of the Passion before seeing the movie....good thing I knew about plastic wounds and hands being nailed, or I'd have left or barfed or both. Definitely deserves that R rating. Do NOT bring the children.

However, I give Gibson an A+ for art direction, which always makes or breaks a movie for me. . He talked in "Making" about being taken with Caravaggio, running around Rome viewing all of his paintings--exactly what I'd done in Rome too. Some are in dank little churches where you have to put a lira in a meter to get three minutes of light shining on them. But the hassle was worth it every time. Same with the movie. Somehow Mel brought forth Caravaggio as his art director.....visually it's arresting with impossibly luminous faces coming out of the blackness that envelops all of us.

Also, his depiction of Satan is the smartest I've ever seen.....and has meaning for me that I'll explore for a long time. No horns, nothing too obvious ----A shade, a shadow, seduction oozing from every pore saying you can't, you don't need to, when you know you must to fulfill your personal destiny, to use your God-given gifts, to become what you know in your heart you were meant to be. That ever-present negative inner voice so subtle and pervasive you are not aware how it runs your life. Writer's block and more. Thank you, Mel.

I tuned out of the scourgings beatings and crucifixion scenes..though my friend in the next seat was fully engaged emotionally. But she always is and I'm not. But who said religion was about emotion? I was actually quite detached.

Today, detachment is uppermost in my mind. How did I manage that? ...Detachment is sometimes a good quality but I think I've taken it to extremes during this long life and it's produced avoidance, cost me much. Hmmmm.. apparently the movie reaches into deep corners of one's psyche, churns up long-buried stuff, shines perhaps a ray of different understanding on it.

Might be interesting to poll an audience 24-hours after viewing this film to see where it really took them. I think it will have some deep effect on everyone.

The sturm und drang about Jews is ridiculous and totally misses the point. It's probably intended to deflect attention away from the point, come to think of it.

The point for me IS the churning. The movie, the death of Jesus will churn everyone's soul. Today I examine my ongoing engagement in some inner tug of war between urges, whisperings, hopes, fears, loves, hates, darkness and light I grapple with in trying to live out my life, sometimes but not always striving to be the best person I can be. Almost always, the positive and negative balance perfectly at 50-50, leaving me stranded and ineffective. And detached. .....Wouldn't it be wonderful if God would help? Dare I ask? I might if I believed that God loves me . After long, serious religious education, I'm not so sure. The problem has always been that dark, heavy, oppressive GUILT that the Passion was MY personal fault.

I wish the movie had started with the Last Supper, shown more miracles, and lasted two minutes longer to depict the Resurrection more fully. Jim Caviezel, who played Jesus, was amazingly convincing as one who loved humanity in scenes with his mother and the apostles. Being whipped, scourged, and crucified for us has always turned me off.....what a peculiar way to demonstrate love.
37 posted on 02/24/2004 12:45:05 PM PST by PoisedWoman (My other tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Liz
I saw the movie last night. I'll state for the record that I am a baptised believer in Christ, and I saw the movie with my wife and 16 year old son and his girlfriend of the same age.

The theater was packed - in fact, so many showed up for this pre-viewing that the cinema operator (in a mall) had to open another of it's theaters to capture the overflow.

The movie was graphic, intense, breathtaking, and brutal. I'm sure that all of these adjectives could be applied to the actual event. Yes, the movie covers the last twelve hours of Jesus' life, starting in the Garden of Gethsemene and ending with his resurrection. What happens in between... well, you just have to see it. I recommend that if you have young children (younger than 13, at least) you do not take them. Watch it first as a parent, then decide if your youngster is mentally and emotionally equipped to see it. By watching it first, you can anticipate questions and reactions. Be forewarned - this could be a scary thing for young kids..

During the movie, the scenes transition from the "present" to memories of Jesus' "past". The "present" scenes are horrific, and the "past" scenes are more or less peaceful. Often, when the movie shifts from the "past" to the "present", it happens so abrubtly and with such force that you literally jerk in your seat or cry out. This happened several times to me and to people around me in the movie.

Satan is depicted in a very interesting way - androgenous. You'll just have to see it - the evil one definitely eminates evil.

By the end of the movie I was drained - emotionally spent. Many were in tears. There was some scattered applause, but more than anything wlse, there was a sense of shock, awe, and stunned silence. For me, as a Christian, I sat there out of breath; transfixed by the horror of what Jesus did out of his love for me.

At the end of the show, a couple of guys with guitars came to the front of the theater and led us in a series of praise songs. The singing was subdued but heartfelt. Praise and adoration were definitely being lifted to the One who made us, in thanks for His son our Lord.

E-mail me if you have specific questions, and I'll answer in a day or so..

Hope this helps and God bless!

38 posted on 02/24/2004 12:46:16 PM PST by slouch-no-more
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To: AppyPappy
Such a strange way to Save the world.

Yes! Very.

Try this link: Passion Prattle

Hank

39 posted on 02/24/2004 12:53:23 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: PoisedWoman
I have no words...wow...
40 posted on 02/24/2004 12:54:04 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: Blake#1
This movie could be a wonderful reawakening for this Christian nation. One caution however, Mr. Gibson "hatred" of all things Protestant English makes him exagerate. One example, the British burning the congregation in a church in the film "Patriot". Never happened! Why would he put it in the movie?

Artistic license to inflame the audience against the British

41 posted on 02/24/2004 12:57:07 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: slouch-no-more
Good review, thank you.
42 posted on 02/24/2004 12:58:28 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: MineralMan
We welcome your contributions to the thread.

Please don't take this as a criticism or a put-down....it's merely an observation. Many people who consider themselves believers go through periods of questioning and indecision.

One of the books I recommend to those looking for answers is The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis. Offers an interesting perspective on what makes the world work, and the vagaries of human nature.

You don't have to be a believer to read it and it does not proselytize Christianity, or any religion for that matter, although Lewis was an Anglican Catholic convert.

43 posted on 02/24/2004 1:05:01 PM PST by Liz
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To: PoisedWoman
....(Mel's) depiction of Satan is the smartest I've ever seen.....and has meaning for me that I'll explore for a long time. No horns, nothing too obvious ----A shade, a shadow, seduction oozing from every pore saying you can't, you don't need to, when you know you must to fulfill your personal destiny, to use your God-given gifts, to become what you know in your heart you were meant to be. That ever-present negative inner voice so subtle and pervasive you are not aware how it runs your life. Writer's block and more. Thank you, Mel.....

Sounds like for that characterization Mel read CS Lewis' The Screwtape Letters

44 posted on 02/24/2004 1:11:24 PM PST by Liz
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To: MineralMan
I was thinking about you analysis and how you decided to go or not to go. I wanted to add another thought to put into your decision making. It is true that the torture and death are not the whole story. But neither was his sinless life and ministry. In addition, his ministry after the resurrection is a major part of the truth as he is today the head of the church which is his body.

But here is my point to you - his sinless life and ministry did not save us - it was his sacrifice of himself as an offering for our sins that saves us. He died FOR OUR sins. (CAPS for emphasis only, not really yelling) His sinless life gave virtue to his sacrifice. So in conclusion it really is the sacrifice of his sufferings that is a key point and very worthy of watching:

Looking forward in time to the crucifixion Isaiah said "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

Looking backward to the finished work of Christ Peter said "24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."

45 posted on 02/24/2004 1:13:30 PM PST by artios
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To: MineralMan
The movie would be hours and hours and hours long if it included everything. Besides, Gibson wanted to focus on the great suffering Jesus endured so that we'd better appreciate the sacrifice and the gift of salvation that came with it.
46 posted on 02/24/2004 1:13:47 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Liz
Sounds like for that characterization Mel read CS Lewis' The Screwtape Letters

Aha! Yes, now that you mention it, I believe he mentioned that in the "Making" film. But I've never read Lewis, so didn't pick up on it.....I think I have a copy, will put it on top of the to-read pile. Thanks.

47 posted on 02/24/2004 1:25:26 PM PST by PoisedWoman (My other tagline is in the shop.)
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To: PoisedWoman
Please read it ASAP. Once you read TSL, life becomes less inexplicable, and interacting with antagonists in your life becomes easier. I've done a couple FR threads on The Letters.

And thanks for your delicious review.

48 posted on 02/24/2004 1:36:32 PM PST by Liz
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To: artios
"I was thinking about you analysis and how you decided to go or not to go. I wanted to add another thought to put into your decision making. It is true that the torture and death are not the whole story. But neither was his sinless life and ministry. "

Thanks. I'm very, very familiar with the story and what it means to Christians. I'm not a Christian, so it hasn't the same meaning for me. It is similar to numerous similar myths in several cultures, and I have a great interest in such mythology.

However, in deciding which movies I attend, a lot of factors come into play. While I have no doubt that this film graphically depicts one aspect of Jesus, it only depicts one aspect of the myth, and that's enough for me to skip the film.

I hope it proves valuable to others, but I'll not be there.
49 posted on 02/24/2004 1:44:19 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Liz
Will this film inspire ant-Semitism? I can't see how. The film evokes deep and powerful emotions, but anger and hatred are not among them.

So you have seen it?

50 posted on 02/24/2004 1:46:24 PM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
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