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For Sensible Gun Safety (BARF ALERT)
The Washington Post ^ | February 25, 2004 | Masthead Editorial

Posted on 02/25/2004 1:33:48 AM PST by neverdem

FOR THE FIRST time in years, the Senate is to vote on gun safety measures that lawmakers in both parties and gun owners everywhere can and should support as common-sense anti-crime measures. The first is renewal of the current ban on certain assault weapons -- weapons needed by no one except criminals. The other is the closing of a big bull's-eye loophole that allows firearms to be sold by unlicensed sellers at gun shows without any background checks. These two vital protection proposals are being offered as amendments to a third gun-related measure that is opposed by a number of gun-control groups, and with good reason. A top priority of the National Rifle Association, this third proposal would grant firearms manufacturers civil immunity from lawsuits. It amounts to an excessively large and unnecessary special-interest shield, but if it is to pass -- as head counts indicate -- it should carry with it the two safety proposals that are needed now, not in another year or more. That is the choice being packaged, and the amendments should be kept in the mix.

The assault weapons ban, which will expire in September unless renewed, has posed no hardship on hunters, only on criminals who find the quick-firing capability handy. The renewal amendment, being advanced by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), John W. Warner (R-Va.) and Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), is supported by a broad coalition of law enforcement groups, including the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the Major Cities Chiefs of Police and -- in a letter to Virginia Sen. George Allen (R) and Mr. Warner -- a long list of Virginia law enforcement authorities. Mr. Allen changed his position in 2000 to support the renewal, and if his support holds it could be pivotal.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: New York; US: Ohio; US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: awban; bang; banglist; georgeallen; guncontrol; gunprohibition; gunsafety; johnwarner; secondamendment
In addition to the usual suspects, it seems Warner, Allen and DeWine are useful idiots or useless.

The remainder of the editorial stated GWB is willing for another 10 year extension.

1 posted on 02/25/2004 1:33:48 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Funny how the libs find a constitutional right to gay marriage, but they ignore the constitutional right to bear arms!
2 posted on 02/25/2004 1:40:48 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: NYCVirago
Funny how the libs find a constitutional right to gay marriage, but they ignore the constitutional right to bear arms!

The assault weapons ban, which will expire in September unless renewed, has posed no hardship on hunters...

You've got it all wrong...the Second Amendment only applies to hunting.

3 posted on 02/25/2004 1:55:07 AM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: NYCVirago
Funny how the libs find a constitutional right to gay marriage, but they ignore the constitutional right to bear arms!

I'm glad someone enjoys the humor. At the same time that gay marriage is being advocated to subvert traditional culture, mindless of its effects on the prevalence of sexually transmitted diseases, especially HIV/AIDS, these fools want to curtail the right of self defense.

It's a bit late now, but the number of people who die from AIDS, the majority of which acquire it through homosexual transmission in this country, is much greater than the number of folks who commit suicide with firearms, which is greater than the number of homicides by firearms, and that the justifiable homicides by civilians is 4 - 5 times greater than the police.

One of my oldest friends recently died, and I have other priorities. If I forget, please remind me as these numbers are available on the Internet.

4 posted on 02/25/2004 2:35:02 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
All the anti's have on there side is lies if they ever told the truth they could not stand.
5 posted on 02/25/2004 3:04:46 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: neverdem
someone help here. I thought the AWB is dead by itself.
Feinstein is pushing for an amendment to abolish the sunset of the AWB making the AWB permanent.

There is no seperate AWB renewal and the anti-sunset rider was NOT added to the gun maker liablity bill.

A rider that is NOT in the house version BTW.

Did I miss something?
6 posted on 02/25/2004 3:11:30 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: neverdem
Barf alert my royal rear end! I have only read the first two sentences, I will go back after posting this comment and continue. This is far, far worse than a barf alert, this is a full fledged double secret projectile vomit alert. I have been labeled a criminal in the second sentence, and if memory serves, and so far it still does, so have many of you. Excuse me while I go read the rest of it, but don't ask me why.
7 posted on 02/25/2004 3:27:21 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: riverrunner
the Senate is to vote on gun safety measures that lawmakers in both parties and gun owners everywhere can and should support as common-sense anti-crime measures.

ANything that doesn't keep criminals in jail, or that takes guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens does NOTHING TO STOP CRIME.

8 posted on 02/25/2004 5:14:35 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: ActionNewsBill
You've got it all wrong...the Second Amendment only applies to hunting.

I suppose that could be the case; did tyrants get added to the varmint list?

9 posted on 02/25/2004 5:38:45 AM PST by Technogeeb
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To: Technogeeb
...did tyrants get added to the varmint list?

If not, they should be. No limit.

10 posted on 02/25/2004 6:02:56 AM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: neverdem
This is how they view free Americans; "no one except criminals"
11 posted on 02/25/2004 6:08:55 AM PST by Clean_Sweep
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To: *bang_list
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
12 posted on 02/25/2004 6:14:04 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: neverdem
The first is renewal of the current ban on certain assault weapons -- weapons needed by no one except criminals.

Does the Post do any research at all, or is the Ed board just a mouthpiece for the anti-gun crowd? Criminals don't favor these weapons, but lots of gun fanatics like myself do. Perhaps the Post thinks criminal means anyone who owns a gun.

13 posted on 02/25/2004 7:04:15 AM PST by cruiserman
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To: cruiserman
Also, it misses the point that it doesn't matter what weapons are used by criminals. Why should law abiding gun owners be inconvenienced and stigmatized by what criminals do? The Post won't be happy until all gun owners are in jail and their weapons confiscated.
14 posted on 02/25/2004 7:18:01 AM PST by cruiserman
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To: neverdem
"The first is renewal of the current ban on certain assault weapons -- weapons needed by no one except criminals. "

Keep talking that way lefty.. Alienate us. We love it.

Guess I'm a criminal to this 'person'
15 posted on 02/25/2004 7:19:42 AM PST by Monty22
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To: longtermmemmory
I believe the rider IS on the bill, and the senate is going to pass it.. TODAY!
16 posted on 02/25/2004 7:22:28 AM PST by Monty22
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To: NYCVirago
Our rights do not come from the constitution. Your comment is ignorant at best.
17 posted on 02/25/2004 7:24:51 AM PST by Durus
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To: Durus
Our rights do not come from the constitution. Your comment is ignorant at best.

Huh?

18 posted on 02/25/2004 9:29:24 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: NYCVirago
Funny how the libs find a constitutional right to gay marriage, but they ignore the constitutional right to bear arms! Libs "find" the constitutional right to marry, intimating that the it isn't explicitly listed in the constitution they don't have that right?

Do you think the government "gave" us the right to keep and bear arms? We had that right before there was ever any government. Do homo's need the validation of government to co-habitate with their chosen uhhh whatever, with same right that normal people have? Clearly they don't.

The more government gets involved with this issue the worse things are going to turn out.

19 posted on 02/25/2004 10:32:30 AM PST by Durus
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To: Durus; river rat; PoorMuttly; harpseal; Dead Corpse
One of these two is going to be made into larger hi-res car stickers. Which text do you prefer?


20 posted on 02/25/2004 6:08:17 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
I like the RKBA one better
21 posted on 02/25/2004 6:35:15 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Travis McGee
It's too bad both can't be on the sticker...
Some folks are too damned stupid to know that the 2nd Amendment was written to guarantee citizens the Right to Keep and Bear Arms..

If only one --- The Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

Whichever you choose --- I want to order a dozen.

Semper Fi
22 posted on 02/25/2004 7:03:38 PM PST by river rat (Militant Islam is a cult, flirting with extinction)
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To: neverdem
The AWB is directly about the RKBA.

Gun grabbers are increasingly trying to separate the right to keep and bear arms from its constitutional underpinnings. To everyone but many liberals and gun grabbers the word militia implies a body organized for military use. The Supreme Court Miller decision of 1939 held that the militia was 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."

To begin with, only the national government was represented at the trial. With nobody arguing to the contrary, the court followed standard court procedure and assumed that the law was constitutional until proven otherwise. If both sides were present, the outcome may have been much different.

However, since only one party showed up, the case will stand in the court records as is. As to the militia, Mr. Justice McReynolds related the beliefs of the Founding Fathers when commenting historically about the Second Amendment. He stated that, ". . .The common view was that adequate defense of country and laws could be secured through the militia- civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.

"The significance attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense.

It is clear that the firearms that are most suited for modern-day militia use are those semi automatic military pattern weapons that the yellow press calls "assault weapons". Since nations such as the Swiss trust their citizenry with true selective fire assault rifles, it seems to me that this country ought to be at least able to trust its law-abiding citizenry with the semi automatic version.

Self-defense is a vital corollary benefit of the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. But its primary constitutional reason for being is for service in the well-regulated militia which is necessary to the security of a free state. Don't let the gun grabbers and their politician allies separate us from the constitutional reason for the right to keep and bear arms.

PostScript: In the vernacular of the founders well-regulated meant well drilled and organized.
23 posted on 02/25/2004 7:13:05 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: neverdem
The assault weapons ban, which will expire in September unless renewed, has posed no hardship on hunters...

It has posed even less on criminals.

24 posted on 02/25/2004 9:23:36 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: river rat; harpseal
So far it's RKBA on top in a landslide.

Do you think it would be too cluttered if

THE SECOND . . . . . . . . . AMENDMENT

was put across one of the middle white stripes, on either side of the crossed snake and rifle?

25 posted on 02/25/2004 9:48:11 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: DMZFrank
Right on bro! Exactamundo! Well said!
26 posted on 02/25/2004 9:49:07 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
I think three lines could be too cluttered on a bumper sticker...
It deprives the slow reading mouth breathers of their final warning....

2nd Amendment - is shorter but perhaps more difficult to align..

Semper Fi
27 posted on 02/26/2004 12:54:36 AM PST by river rat (Militant Islam is a cult, flirting with extinction)
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To: Travis McGee
Muttly vote for "The Second Amendment"...

...because liberals think that RIGHTS are debatable, negotiable, removable. They are legalists...and this is already our FOUNDATIONAL LAW...so we should remind them of that...and that WE are not their problem...the true and original and functional "ecosystem" of AMERICA is....and we remember...and will not give it up without a big, bad, righteous FIGHT !!!
28 posted on 02/29/2004 4:06:11 PM PST by PoorMuttly (The price of Freedom is eternal Muttly)
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To: neverdem
"The first is renewal of the current ban on certain assault weapons -- weapons needed by no one except criminals."

Criminals, huh?


29 posted on 02/29/2004 10:55:47 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: PoorMuttly
They'd better get a clue, because they have no idea of the $#!+storme they're going to bring down.
30 posted on 02/29/2004 10:58:28 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: neverdem
From the article: The first is renewal of the current ban on certain assault weapons -- weapons needed by no one except criminals.

So, now the peons are only "allowed" to have what they need?

Maybe, the Libs should just quit pussyfooting around and say what they really mean: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Oh yeah, that's right, they can't. They haven't banned everything except slingshots yet.

31 posted on 02/29/2004 11:51:03 PM PST by schmelvin
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To: DMZFrank
An English dictionary from 1814 I obtained defines the Militia as simply "the army". Regulated is defined as "controlled". It is esential to control the army in order for a free nation to be secure as a free state, hence, the people retain the right to keep and bear arms to deter any attempt at a military takeover. This was discussed in the Federalist papers as well.
32 posted on 03/01/2004 12:00:06 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (As the oldest generation dies, the memory of liberty fades into obscurity, replaced by an impostor)
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