Zogby American Values Survey I 2004

email from Carl Pearlston ^ | John Zogby

[tkathy]

Zogby is a Muslim with an agenda.

[GaConfed]

... I'm buying more foil stock!

Well, you'll be making a mistake. I use Saran wrap. Don't have any use for foil. Oh yea, your your hero Woodrow Wilson did just about as much to destroy our glorious Constitution as Lincoln did. One more thing, just in case you're one of them, Nothing Sucks Like a Big Orange.:)

[DentsRun]

Do you have the original poll? I'd like to look at the methodology and population sample.

I'm sorry to say I don't. My post came to me as a group email from Carl Pearlston who was (or still is) director of Toward Tradition, Rabbi Lapin's organization up in Vancouver. I have tried searching for the report on the Zogby site without success (it only shows a values survey from 2000). My guess is that you have to buy the report and that's what Pearlston did and then excerpted the parts I posted.

[DentsRun]

Zogby is a Muslim with an agenda.

I don't know anything about his faith. I just say though that any pollster with an agenda is not going to last very long. His agenda will invariably color his results, as happened for instance with the LA Times poll when it egregiously predicted that the Gray Davis recall would fail at the voting booth (and of course Davis was recalled overwhelmingly). Now, as a result, many people read LA Times poll results with the same amused scepticism as they do the astrology charts. How have Zogby predictions panned out in recent elections (Schwarzenegger versus Bustamante, Bush versus Gore) compared to other pollsters?

[Fledermaus]

One more thing, just in case you're one of them, Nothing Sucks Like a Big Orange.:)

Ha ha, you fail again! lol

I hate the Big Orange!

[raloxk]

"The final surprise. Everyone thinks concealed carry laws are a good idea."

I cant believe that Jews think that.

[raloxk]

"I wonder if these were jews by religion or heritage?"

Most Jews in America are jews by heritage. If you want to see Jews who are Orthodox and vote conservative go to Australia.

I know Jews who go to Temple regulary and who are athiests and nihlists: revolting

[edwin hubble]

"Zogby is a Muslim with an agenda."

Actually, Zogby may be an Arab with an agenda (Lebanese).

I think his religious heritage is Christian (like most Americans of Arab descent).

His biography on the speakers bureau notes his affiliation with Catholic organizations.

[GaConfed]

I know Jews who go to Temple regulary and who are athiests and nihlists: revolting

I agree, and it is revolting, however, I know a lot of mainline Protestants, some are my kinfolks, who you can say the same about.

[Krodg]

I agree, the fact that so many Jews and Muslims converged in opinion was suprising

Why the surprise? Both have denied our Lord's message.

[GaConfed]

So, tell me, how does it feel to believe in nothing except aquiring money and power over other people? What a sad, soulless, shallow minded existence!!

[edwin hubble]

"Zogby is a Muslim with an agenda."

Here is an excerpt of an interview of John Zogby, (Christian Lebanese) (from article in American Enterprise, April-May, 2002)

(John Zogby quote):
I'm a child of the first wave [of Arab immigration]. It's predominantly Lebanese and predominantly Christian.

The second wave is much more mixed. The first wave ended in 1940, with the onset of World War II. The second wave didn't really begin until after the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, so you have a big hiatus between the two groups. People in the second wave wanted to be recognized as minorities in cities like Dearborn, Michigan, Los Angeles, and Brooklyn.

On the other hand people of my generation were saying, "No, we're white ethnics." Some of that tension is Christian-Muslim and some is first wave vs. second wave. Some of it is status anxiety too. Folks of my generation are saying, "Me, a minority? Look at what I've achieved. I did this without any government help."

With that said, there still is some affinity even among assimilated Christian Arabs toward Pakistanis and toward Indians and toward people of Muslim or Third World background. I feel it myself.

You know, a Pakistani American walks by and I say, "My folks are from Lebanon." And we begin to chat with each other. It's not unlike identifying yourself as a European of some sort.
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