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Heavenly body gives Bush a close call
The Guardian ^ | Thursday February 26, 2004 | David Adam

Posted on 02/26/2004 2:42:23 PM PST by presidio9

January 14 could have been a bad day for George Bush. As the president was preparing to announce America's return to the moon in a speech at the headquarters of Nasa, he was almost asked to deliver a very different message: that the Earth could suffer a devastating asteroid strike within 24 hours. Astronomers have revealed that during a "nine-hour crisis" the night before Mr Bush's speech they believed there was a one in four chance an asteroid would hit the planet in 36 hours. Had it not been for a break in the clouds that allowed an amateur astronomer to give the all-clear, the scientists say they were on the verge of calling the White House.

"A preliminary analysis of the discovery data for this object yielded a possible impact with the Earth in less than two days' time," said David Morrison, an asteroid and comet impact hazard expert at Nasa's Ames Research Centre. "And if a possibility of an impact in two days existed, what should we do about notifying governments or the public?"

The scientists could only say they thought the 30-metre asteroid would strike somewhere in the northern hemisphere; at that size it would have exploded well before reaching the ground, though it could have killed thousands if it broke up over a big city.

The object - named 2004 AS1 - turned out to be around 500 metres across, and passed the Earth at a safe range of about 12m km: some 32 times the distance between the Earth and the moon.

Details of the events of January 13 were revealed this week by a veteran sky-watcher, Clark Chapman, at a planetary protection conference in California. He said the object had first been spotted in four grainy images taken by two automated telescopes set up to watch for asteroids in New Mexico. It had been impossible to calculate its orbit accurately from the images, but when the information was posted on the internet an amateur astronomer noticed the mystery object was predicted to get 40 times brighter by the same time the following day, bringing it six times closer to the Earth.

Astronomers confirmed that the asteroid could be on a collision course, but the telescopes that could see the relevant part of the sky were obscured by cloud.

Several hours after the scare began, an amateur astronomer, Brian Warner in Colorado, saw through a gap in the clouds and confirmed the area of sky was empty.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: annakournikova; asteroid; asteroids; astronomy; bushhaters; chickenlittle; heavenlybodies; meteor; neardeath; neardeathexperience; nearzotexperience; quacks; scientists; theskyisfalling; thisisseries
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1 posted on 02/26/2004 2:42:23 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Whoa.

Half a klick wide.

2 posted on 02/26/2004 2:46:03 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: presidio9
>>...set up to watch for asteroids in New Mexico...<<

Shouldn't they be watching for asteroids in SPACE, not in New Mexico.

3 posted on 02/26/2004 2:46:10 PM PST by FReepaholic (Never Forget: www.september-11-videos.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Paging Bruce willis, Bruce willis, white courtesy phone...
4 posted on 02/26/2004 2:46:45 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: presidio9
Ooops...sorry....I thought this was a Salma Hayek thread.
5 posted on 02/26/2004 2:48:32 PM PST by 12B
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To: presidio9
Now, if they have a FO on Neptune, we could really be in for it when they adjust fire.
6 posted on 02/26/2004 2:48:40 PM PST by .cnI redruM (At the end of the day, information has finite value and may only come at a significant price.)
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To: presidio9
It kinda makes you wonder just what would Pres. Bush HAVE told us?? What's the plan for an asteroid hit?
7 posted on 02/26/2004 2:49:28 PM PST by bonfire
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To: presidio9
This one is almost a classic. "Asteroid Passes Near Earth. Blame George W. Bush."
8 posted on 02/26/2004 2:50:01 PM PST by .cnI redruM (At the end of the day, information has finite value and may only come at a significant price.)
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To: presidio9
"January 14 could have been a bad day for George Bush."

These boofers really are obsessed with Bush. Presumably, if an asteroid hit the earth, it would be a bad day for a lot of people other than George Bush, including dainty boy David Adam.
9 posted on 02/26/2004 2:50:08 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: presidio9
This one is almost a classic. "Asteroid Passes Near Earth. Blame George W. Bush."
10 posted on 02/26/2004 2:50:18 PM PST by .cnI redruM (At the end of the day, information has finite value and may only come at a significant price.)
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To: 12B

Was this more like what you were expecting?

11 posted on 02/26/2004 2:53:37 PM PST by presidio9 (FREE MARTHA)
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To: bonfire
"It kinda makes you wonder just what would Pres. Bush HAVE told us??"

You can be sure that whatever Bush did, in the aftermath (if there was an aftermath), the dainty boys would say Bush should have done the opposite. If he announced an impending asteroid hit, they'd say he unnecessarily frightened people in a situation where there was nothing anyone could do. If he failed to announce it, they'd say he denied people their "right to know."
12 posted on 02/26/2004 2:55:33 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: .cnI redruM
In today's Bush bashing climate, had this asteroid hit earth, sooner or later, the bashers would have been pointing fingers that he had known, and he should have warned Americans to go to the tornado cellers.
13 posted on 02/26/2004 2:55:43 PM PST by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Presumably, if an asteroid hit the earth, it would be a bad day for a lot of people other than George Bush, including dainty boy David Adam.

This is how it would be reported:

Asteroid to Destroy Earth: Women and Minorities Hardest Hit


14 posted on 02/26/2004 2:56:04 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: presidio9
500 meters across

If I'm not mistaken, an asteroid anywhere near that size would have a devastating impact, much larger than any atomic weapon and possibly enough to kill millions and disrupt the earth's atmosphere for months or even years.
15 posted on 02/26/2004 2:59:30 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: AreaMan
Or Molly Ivins: "While a deadly asteroid hurtled towards earth, President Bush chose to spend his time pontificating about the evils of gay marriage."
16 posted on 02/26/2004 3:01:29 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: presidio9
Astronomers have revealed that during a "nine-hour crisis" the night before Mr Bush's speech they believed there was a one in four chance an asteroid would hit the planet in 36 hours. Had it not been for a break in the clouds that allowed an amateur astronomer to give the all-clear, the scientists say they were on the verge of calling the White House.

This sounds series.

Nothing that the astronomers did averted the asteroid. They were ready to go into full panic mode (A) over something which they had no control and (B) over something that they admittedly had incomplete information regarding.

17 posted on 02/26/2004 3:01:52 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: presidio9
Yes! That is the type of Heavenly Body I had in mind! ;-)
18 posted on 02/26/2004 3:02:22 PM PST by wjcsux (A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: .cnI redruM
This one is almost a classic. "Asteroid Passes Near Earth. Blame George W. Bush."

You forgot: "Women and children most affected."

19 posted on 02/26/2004 3:03:19 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: weegee
You're right. I was phallocentric and Caucasoid in my bias during that last post.
20 posted on 02/26/2004 3:04:45 PM PST by .cnI redruM (At the end of the day, information has finite value and may only come at a significant price.)
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To: 3catsanadog
In today's Bush bashing climate, had this asteroid hit earth, sooner or later, the bashers would have been pointing fingers that he had known, and he should have warned Americans to go to the tornado cellers.

And Howard Dean would have found those reports "very interesting."

21 posted on 02/26/2004 3:05:13 PM PST by presidio9 (FREE MARTHA)
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To: presidio9
Man, there have been a LOT of these recently. I think we are in a shooting gallery.
22 posted on 02/26/2004 3:05:39 PM PST by Grig
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To: presidio9
That could land on my lawn anytime it felt good and ready to! ;)
23 posted on 02/26/2004 3:06:04 PM PST by .cnI redruM (At the end of the day, information has finite value and may only come at a significant price.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
>>500 meters across

If I'm not mistaken, an asteroid anywhere near that size would have a devastating impact, much larger than any atomic weapon and possibly enough to kill millions and disrupt the earth's atmosphere for months or even years.<<

And doesn't it bother you that we would have had only a couple of days notice? In all the movies we have MONTHS to get our affairs in order.
24 posted on 02/26/2004 3:09:52 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: bonfire
What's the plan for an asteroid hit?

"Heads up, folks."

25 posted on 02/26/2004 3:10:31 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: presidio9
January 14 could have been a bad day for George Bush. As the president was preparing to announce America's return to the moon in a speech at the headquarters of Nasa, he was almost asked to deliver a very different message: that the Earth could suffer a devastating asteroid strike within 24 hours.

'Bad day for Bush?' How would it be worse for him than for any of us? Was the asteroid possibly heading for him in particular? Is this just a very very slanted story, or do news writers just not realize the stupid things they say?

New York Times headline: "World to end tomorrow, Women and Minorities Hardest Hit."

26 posted on 02/26/2004 3:15:13 PM PST by atomicpossum (Only Hillary Will Lick Bush in '04!)
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To: presidio9
The object - named 2004 AS1 - turned out to be around 500 metres across, and passed the Earth at a safe range of about 12m km: some 32 times the distance between the Earth and the moon.

GREAT SCOTT! That thing only missed us by about 7,644,800 miles! It's interesting that an amateur astronomer was able to give the "all-clear." The global warming nonsense has recently been losing steam. Is this the new "crisis" that the left and the UN will demand billions of dollars to study, evaluate, and lie about? They're kooks.
27 posted on 02/26/2004 3:17:38 PM PST by Jaysun (COVER THY PALE LEGS AND SHUT UP.)
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To: .cnI redruM
Since this is a thread about remarkable assteroids, I thought that photo might be appropriate. Inrique seems to think so too:


28 posted on 02/26/2004 3:17:43 PM PST by presidio9 (FREE MARTHA)
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To: Steve_Seattle
If I'm not mistaken, an asteroid anywhere near that size would have a devastating impact, much larger than any atomic weapon and possibly enough to kill millions and disrupt the earth's atmosphere for months or even years.

Since 500m is about 1/4 mile for those who prefer the English units, you're right. That would be bad, but not necessarily catastrophic. Depends on where it hits: the ocean could probably accept that without major catastrophe. That's not to say we wouldn't notice.

The famous Barringer "Meteor Crater" in Arizona, which is about 1.6 km in diameter, was reportedly (on one Web site) formed by a meteor about 25m in diameter.

Found a reference that says the crater diameter is roughly 10x the impactor diameter. If the estimate about Barringer Crater is right, then the crater should be 250m in diameter -- and it's actually 1600m in diameter, which is a factor of 64. So let's use those as the lower and upper bounds.

For a 500m impactor, the lower bound for the crater diameter is: 5000m (5km, 3miles).

The upper bound for the diameter is 32 km, 19.2 miles. I'm sure there's a scaling factor, but I would think it's reasonable to say that a 500m-diameter object would make a crater several miles in diameter. That's gotta hurt a bit.

29 posted on 02/26/2004 3:20:19 PM PST by cogitator
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To: presidio9
"A preliminary analysis of the discovery data for this object yielded a possible impact with the Earth in less than two days' time,"

Just enough time to panic, vomit, cry, and kiss your ass goodbye...

30 posted on 02/26/2004 3:23:04 PM PST by pabianice
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To: bonfire
It kinda makes you wonder just what would Pres. Bush HAVE told us?? What's the plan for an asteroid hit?

On less than 24 hours' notice? Not much more than "Duck!". The best we could have done was wait until an accurate trajectory was calculated and then, if it happened to be headed for a populated area, tell them to run like hell. Or, if it was to land in the ocean, to evacuate coastal cities to whatever extent possible.

Which probably wouldn't be much. Basically you'd just have mass panic and gridlock.

And, of course, a 500-meter asteroid would be a hell of a lot worse than a 30-meter one.

31 posted on 02/26/2004 3:28:14 PM PST by Timesink (Smacky is power.)
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To: presidio9
Why does this paper assume that if an asteroid hits, it will hit the US? Because America, in its view, is uniquely evil?

The surface of the earth is about 200 million square miles, of which 57 million or so are continents. The land area of the US is about 3.5 million square miles. Chances are an asteroid will land in an ocean, or hit some other country. (Something hit Siberia in 1908, maybe an asteroid.)

Of course, that won't stop it from being Bush's fault.

32 posted on 02/26/2004 3:28:40 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: presidio9
That's Anna and she sure needs a brush off!

Does this warrant a "ping list?"

33 posted on 02/26/2004 3:44:56 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: presidio9
"The object - named 2004 AS1 - turned out to be around 500 metres across, and passed the Earth at a safe range of about 12m km"

You know, I thought I felt the wind kick up a little stronger than usual that day...

34 posted on 02/26/2004 3:54:39 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: presidio9
HA !

very good :o)
35 posted on 02/26/2004 4:24:57 PM PST by traumer (Even paranoids have enemies)
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To: Timesink
>>It kinda makes you wonder just what would Pres. Bush HAVE told us?? What's the plan for an asteroid hit?

On less than 24 hours' notice? Not much more than "Duck!".

"Duck" works.
Several other things also come to mind:

"Repent! The end is near!"

and

"Kiss your ass goodbye."

As an aside, this line from the Toho Japanese monster movies never seemed to do much good:
"Remain calm. Leave the town in an orderly fashion. Don't panic!"

36 posted on 02/26/2004 4:44:22 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: Jaysun
More people voted for President Bush than voted for Clinton/Gore in 1992 or 1996 but somehow he doesn't have a "mandate" since Al Gore Junior got 0.52% more of the vote (in absence of a national recount).

The statisticians are feeling neglected. Hyperbole rules the day.

37 posted on 02/26/2004 4:47:24 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: presidio9
Seems to me that all that space travel and nuclear technology might come in handy, IF we prepare now.

Why should we let ourselves be wiped out by a brainless chunk of rock?

38 posted on 02/26/2004 4:48:27 PM PST by LibKill (My sigil: Two crossed, dead, Frenchmen emblazoned on a mound of dead Frenchmen.)
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To: AreaMan
What did Halliburton know and why is Dick Cheney so silent on the subject?!?

Sorry, I thought this was the Howard Stern Thread.

39 posted on 02/26/2004 4:53:00 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness (1)
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If I said you had a heavenly body, would you hold it against me???

40 posted on 02/26/2004 4:53:31 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: LibKill
Wesley Clark was interested in exploring time travel possibilities (you can search for the thread).
41 posted on 02/26/2004 4:55:18 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: weegee
Wesley Clark was ridiculed for his belief in time travel and for his cocksure assertion that he would prevent any terrorist attacks from hitting the US if he was President. In fact, the two are linked: he would use time travel to go into the future and learn about the attacks, then backtrack to just before the attacks and nab the would-be perpetrators. Couldn't fail.
42 posted on 02/26/2004 5:03:08 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: weegee
I said SPACE travel, not TIME travel.

Do 20 pushups and call me in the morning! :)

43 posted on 02/26/2004 5:06:11 PM PST by LibKill (My sigil: Two crossed, dead, Frenchmen emblazoned on a mound of dead Frenchmen.)
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To: presidio9
I wonder how many times the President is told he might have to announce something of this magnitude. All the intelligence on terrorists, enemies, information on impending plagues, ...

"Mr President. There's a 50% chance the end of the world in near. We'll know better this afternoon."

"Well, we'll write up a speech. Just let us know by 4:00."
44 posted on 02/26/2004 5:07:23 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
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To: LibKill
Sorry. That's what I get for multitasking threads, freepmail, email, and skimming as I read.
45 posted on 02/26/2004 5:16:12 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: gitmo
I hear that during the moon missions there was a contingency speech to address the "tragedy" of not being able to get the astronauts off the moon.

Don't know if it was true. Some catastrophies cannot be planned for. Other times, it is just too hard to fathom how great a tragedy is until it occurs (meaning that you cannot write a speech to address such an issue until it happens).

46 posted on 02/26/2004 5:19:03 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: presidio9
I paid 157 gazillion for a flying space telescope and no one could spin the damned thing around to take a look?

There are space stations and shuttles and with all the "scientific tools" on board no can find some sort of telescope to look out the frickin window?

Weve spent more on getting a rover to Mars than the GDP of some countries but a planet killer could be missed because clouds obscured some amatuers line of sight?

These people are useless...

47 posted on 02/26/2004 5:28:44 PM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: weegee
Sorry. That's what I get for multitasking threads, freepmail, email, and skimming as I read.

I'd give you a whalloping forum spanking! Except that I have done the same thing.

FReegards, Friend!

48 posted on 02/26/2004 5:31:38 PM PST by LibKill (Ketchup-Boy is more French than the French!)
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To: presidio9
Did Asteroid And Comets Change The Tides Of Civilization?
49 posted on 02/26/2004 5:42:34 PM PST by blam
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To: bonfire
It kinda makes you wonder just what would Pres. Bush HAVE told us??

Uh, heads up...

What's the plan for an asteroid hit?

I don't need to be told by the government what to do, or how to prepare. A heads up would do me just fine.

50 posted on 02/26/2004 6:18:44 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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