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1 posted on 02/27/2004 7:13:16 AM PST by hinterlander
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To: hinterlander
Vietnam was America's war. It was part of the bigger Cold War.

Vietnam was the last time national leaders in the Democratic and Republican parties acted together in the nation's best interest.

By teh end of the Vietnam War, liberals decided that America should not use its military for its own nation interests. Liberals now think the military should be exclusively used when America's national interests are not at stake (Kosovo, Bosnia, Somalia, Haiti).

2 posted on 02/27/2004 7:18:05 AM PST by SolidSupplySide
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To: hinterlander
We freepers have been noting for weeks Kerry's use of the phrase "Nixon's War" and we have been pointing out the falseness of this statement, plus analyzed the reasons Kerry uses this phrase.

3 posted on 02/27/2004 7:21:14 AM PST by cyncooper ("Maybe they were hoping he'd lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: hinterlander
Slime, disgrace, dishonor - they must be talking about Democrats again.
4 posted on 02/27/2004 7:21:19 AM PST by Enterprise ("Do you know who I am?")
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To: hinterlander
You can go back to Truman for the seeds of the war. Ho Chi Minh went to WashDC after the war to offer Cam Ranh Bay as an American Naval base if Truman would keep Roosevelt's promise to refuse to help European nations from reclaiming their colonies. Truman refused to meet Ho and instead supported the French return to Vietnam. In hindsight a horrible blunder.

This and the Koreran War, another Democrat blunder, for some reason get left out of any discussion about the great Truman.

6 posted on 02/27/2004 7:24:07 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand... if you are French raise both hands.)
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To: hinterlander
if athe war belonged to anybody, I'd have to say it was LBJ. he was certainly the most hawkish about it.
7 posted on 02/27/2004 7:25:35 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: hinterlander
That whole 60's era was screwed up by liberals. We need a complete do over, as far as I'm concerned. Give us a chance to change it for the better.

Even my father, a lib, has no respect for the John Kerry liberal. My father has too much respect for the uniform, whether he hates President Bush or not.
8 posted on 02/27/2004 7:26:13 AM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: hinterlander
Every so often, Pat manages to get good wood on the ball.
11 posted on 02/27/2004 7:36:08 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: hinterlander
They call it "Nixon's War" because Nixon is the only republican president they can link it to without having to go back before John Kennedy. It's just more dishonesty from the people that can't exist without dishonesty.
12 posted on 02/27/2004 7:52:08 AM PST by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: hinterlander
Has the "conventional wisdom" ever been so wrong about anything as it is about the Vietnam War?
14 posted on 02/27/2004 7:54:54 AM PST by Califelephant
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17 posted on 03/03/2004 8:07:04 PM PST by SJackson (The Passion: Where were all the palestinians?)
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To: hinterlander
I have had idiots try to blame Nixon for the war by saying that it was his fault for not getting us out faster.
18 posted on 03/03/2004 8:26:41 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: hinterlander
John Kerry surrounded himself with liars...

Excerpt from: Nixon thought Kerry was a phony..thread here at FR.

Kerry relied upon phonies and wannabes for support. His prominence has allowed current phonies and wannabes to continue the unsubstantiated allegations made all those years ago and which Kerry appears to condone even today. For example:

Elton Mazione, claiming Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) credentials, Kerry's original organization, along with his friends, John Laboon, Eddie Swetz, and Kenneth Van Lesser. They claimed to kill children and remove body parts as part of the notorious Phoenix program. They were neither in Phoenix nor in Vietnam.

Kerry's VVAW leader friend from 1971, Al Hubbard, lied about being an officer, Vietnam Veteran, and sustaining war injuries. Michael Harbert, another VVAW crony of Kerry, lied about his Vietnam service.

Frank Dux: He charged many recognizable Vietnam vets with using techniques bordering on war crimes. Dux was a fraud and non Vietnam Veteran.

Yoshia K. Chee claimed we in Vietnam routinely resorted to the most hideous forms of torture, threw people out of helicopters, and decapitated prisoners. He was a phony.

Mike Beamon, an alleged SEAL and Phoenix assassin, was never in the military.

The Senator's own VVAW and similar groups relied upon people like: K. Barton Osborn, a Vietnam veteran and testifier of atrocities to Congress. He told of prisoners being thrown out of helicopters, a woman starved to death, a prisoner being killed by a six inch dowel pushed through his ear. Osborn was not in Phoenix, refused to name names, and provided no documentation.

Lieutenants Francis Reitemeyer and Michael J. Cohn. Both sought conscientious objector status because of Phoenix. Reitemeyer testified to being assigned to Phoenix as an adviser and maintained a kill quota of fifty bodies a month. They became famous as My Lai hit the news. Neither served in Vietnam, in Phoenix, or had any first hand information. Reitemeyer later denied receiving any assassination training. Both were at Ft. Holabird when I underwent my intelligence training there.

26 posted on 01/20/2004 2:30:55 PM PST by Light Speed

21 posted on 03/03/2004 10:20:39 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: hinterlander
In April 1970 Nixon ordered the enemy sanctuaries in Cambodia, from which U.S. troops were being attacked, cleaned out. Two months after the incursion, U.S. casualties fell by 50%.

Nixon did manage (despite the 5th column) to negotiate a peace that may well have held if Congress had not undermined it and abandoned our obligations to South Vietnam, but Nixon was faced with a nearly impossible strategic situation, and the above passage illustrates why: North Vietnam was ensconced in Laos and Cambodia, which gave them nearly unrestricted access to insert supplies for their insurgents, and/or North Vietnamese troops or agents, almost anywhere along South Vietnam's entire Western border.

Eisenhower understood how untenable this would be, and informed Kennedy during the transition that defending Laos was the strategic key to defending the rest of Indochina. Arguably Kennedy lost the war -- or made it virtually unwinnable -- nearly eight years before Nixon came to office, by refusing to defend Laos (where strong indigenous anti-Vietnamese sentiment would have made the kind of insurgent war conducted against us in South Vietnam nearly impossible). Kennedy then compounded his error by refusing to commit the forces his generals told him were necessary to win the insurgent war.

23 posted on 03/04/2004 12:49:56 PM PST by Stultis
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