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FreeRepublic, Amateur Radio's Cousin?

Posted on 02/27/2004 8:06:33 AM PST by rightcoast

I have been an amateur radio operator since 1999. For those unfamiliar with amateur radio -- 'ham radio' as it is more casually termed -- it is an FCC-licensed section of radio spectrum (i.e. radio frequencies) that is set aside for civilian use. Amateur radio operators (or 'hams') use two-way radios to talk on these frequencies for purposes ranging from idle chat, all the way up to and including assisting authorities in emergency and crisis management.

I mention amateur radio on this forum, because although it may not seem so on the surface, there are many similarities between amateur radio and FreeRepublic (FR).

Amateur radio has been around for nearly a century, and it's largest organizing force has been around since 1914. That organization -- the Amateur Radio Relay League (ARRL) -- administers licensing exams for the FCC, and maintains and organizes several civilian emergency communications services.

In many ways, FR is like the ARRL. Use of amateur radio is free, and you do not have to be an ARRL dues-paying member to enjoy the benefits of an FCC-issued amateur radio license. However, it is to an amateur radio enthusiast's advantage to support the ARRL financially, as it keeps the service alive and vibrant.

In the same way, periodically donating to FR (or becoming a monthly donor) contributes to the success of the forum and keeps it going.

There are other similarities. FR members must be registered, and no anonymous posts are allowed. Similarly, amateur radio operators must have a license and use their call sign (much like a CB 'handle' but more formal) at all times. Abuse of rules in amateur radio is largely self-policed, as it is here in FR.

Another surprising similarity between amateur radio and the FreeRepublic is membership. I don't have any exact numbers in front of me, but my most recent understanding is that FR has about 100,000 registered members. This is not far off from the approximately 175,000 licensed amateur radio operators in the U.S.

Finally, amateur radio is used by many for casual conversation of current events, or just friendly chat. It's most active use, though, can be seen in the establishment of local ARRL chapters and volunteer services. Local chapters (amateur radio clubs) connect local hams, in much the same way as FR has its own local chapters. ARRL volunteer efforts include civilian communications services to the military, local and state governments, and civilian organizations.

Of course, FR has its own wide range of volunteer efforts, largely labeled here as 'activism.' FReepers stage local rallies and protests, and help others get involved in our common interest: a free and strong republic.

I'm not promoting amateur radio or the ARRL here. I simply wanted to state my observation for a simple purpose. The ARRL has been a thriving organization for 90 years, and it wouldn't hurt to emulate it's successful model. Obviously there are differences, but with some luck and continued participation, maybe this little slice of the web could be on its way to lasting as long, with a similar positive impact.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Free Republic; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: amateurradio; freerepublic; hamradio
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1 posted on 02/27/2004 8:06:33 AM PST by rightcoast
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To: rightcoast
Ham Radio Bump.

What do you think about the possible license class changes?

2 posted on 02/27/2004 8:17:01 AM PST by Johnny Gage (God Bless our Firefighters, our Police, our EMS responders, and most of all, our Veterans)
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To: Johnny Gage
I can see the similarities between FR and amateur radio too. A good place to "rag chew" as they say. By the way, the last time I checked the ARRL/FCC records, I believe there are close to 600,000 amateur radio operators in the US.

So we need a lot more FR members to equal that number!

As for the license changes, I guess it's one way to keep the hobby alive, since computers and the internet have had a severe impact on new amateur operator applications in the last 10 years.
3 posted on 02/27/2004 8:44:59 AM PST by PCRit
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To: Johnny Gage
Well, it's a little jarring for there to be license class changes proposed so soon. I was granted my Technician (no-code) license in 1999, before the license changes that came the next year. That change eliminated the Novice class license and reduced Morse Code requirements.

These newly proposed changes would eliminate my Technician license class and the Advanced class, reinstate a Novice (or similarly-named) class license, and increase HF privileges on all three license classes. A Morse Code requirement of only 5 wpm would be applicable only on the highest license class of Extra.

Personally, I'm for the license class changes for two reasons: one selfish, and one practical. The selfish reason is that since I have a no-code Tech license, I would be "grandfathered" into a General class license and instantly have HF privileges that I don't have, because I have been too lazy to learn Morse Code. The practical reason is that since I would suddenly enjoy HF privileges, I will definitely be playing around with HF bands, and I have no doubt that this would lead me to wanting an Extra class license. This would be the motivation I needed to learn Morse Code.

I firmly believe that the Morse Code requirement should always be in place at the highest license class level, and even at 5 wpm, it will be enough for people to be able to pass it easily, and play around with code as a curiosity, and maybe even learn to love it as many have.

I think that while this license changes could be perceived as hurting Morse Code in the short run, I actually think they will help curb Code's death in the long run, and certainly they will be a benefit to the long-term health of amateur radio as a hobby.

4 posted on 02/27/2004 9:01:57 AM PST by rightcoast
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To: rightcoast
DE W4EX, Ham since 1958, previous to W4EX (1998) I was K4ZKZ
5 posted on 02/27/2004 9:10:03 AM PST by AlexW
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To: rightcoast
Ham radio bump de KØVJ.
6 posted on 02/27/2004 10:28:52 AM PST by Denver Ditdat
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To: rightcoast
You echo the same sentiments as I have about this.

I too, have a 'no code' Tech license and am interested in the increase in the frequency privelegs the changes would bring.
7 posted on 02/27/2004 11:28:18 AM PST by Johnny Gage (God Bless our Firefighters, our Police, our EMS responders, and most of all, our Veterans)
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To: 4mer Liberal
N0INC bump!
8 posted on 02/27/2004 11:34:47 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: rightcoast

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9 posted on 02/27/2004 11:41:14 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: rightcoast
Anyone know Dr. Detroit in L.A.?
I get his Ham transmissions on every station on every AM radio in my house and thru my computer speakers.

Is that a common occurance? He lives within blocks of me.

10 posted on 02/27/2004 11:45:12 AM PST by PRND21
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To: Tijeras_Slim
-.-. .... . .- - . .-.

CGI Morse Code Translator

11 posted on 02/27/2004 11:47:24 AM PST by rightcoast
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To: rightcoast
Cool! I haven't heard anything about the new license changes. I got my Tech Plus in 1992, renewed it a few years ago, and would be really interested if I got more HF privileges than just the tiny morse bands and once voice band on 10 meters.
12 posted on 02/27/2004 11:50:09 AM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: freefly
ping.
13 posted on 02/27/2004 1:42:56 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: rightcoast
A big QSL bump!
14 posted on 02/27/2004 1:47:12 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The way that you wander is the way that you choose. The day that you tarry is the day that you lose.)
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To: PRND21
Anyone know Dr. Detroit in L.A.?

Seriously? That sounds like a CB'er using illegal power, and not an amateur radio operator (a.k.a. 'radio ham').

15 posted on 02/27/2004 3:05:26 PM PST by Zeppo
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To: Zeppo
Very serious. I can only hear him talk, no other transmission comes through.
Makes it tough to listen to Dodger games in the basement.
16 posted on 02/27/2004 3:08:41 PM PST by PRND21
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To: rightcoast
I'm a no code tech also.

Guess I'll have to go to the Kenwood site. (G)

And plan a visit to my SIL in Columbus, Universal Radio doncha know!

17 posted on 02/27/2004 3:24:41 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: PRND21
Even though this guy is not a ham radio operator, the technology that he is using to transmit is similar to that used by hams, and so the remedies will also be similar. While there are measures that could be applied to the guy's transmitter (in addition to his not using illegal power) which would reduce the chance that his transmissions would interfere with your reception, it's unlikely that you will be able to fix things that way (a complaint to the FCC might possibly work, though).

Instead, you could look into adding some inexpensive measures (such as electronic filters) on your end to get rid of his interference. The American Radio Relay League (ARRL - www.arrl.org) referred to by the original poster has a lot of informative material that may help you. Some of it is on the web, and they also sell a book that goes into more technical detail on curing problems.

The problem is called "RFI", or "radio frequency interference". Here are a few web links that may help you, while a google search on RFI should bring up tons more: (it is possible that some of those links are only available to ARRL members, sorry if that is the case)

RFI Info

FCC RFI info

FCC Interference Handbook

The ARRL RFI Book

18 posted on 02/27/2004 3:30:01 PM PST by Zeppo
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To: Zeppo
Thanks a ton for the info.
I don't want to bust the guy, but I'd like my AM radios and sound card to work properly.
19 posted on 02/27/2004 3:34:12 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Tijeras_Slim; All
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20 posted on 02/27/2004 7:39:28 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. )
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To: rightcoast
Well, IF the changes come through, stay away from 3.853 and 14.313!
21 posted on 02/27/2004 7:40:44 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. )
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To: rightcoast
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22 posted on 02/27/2004 7:54:51 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: rightcoast
I don't think FR has 100,000 members.
23 posted on 02/27/2004 11:53:14 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: rightcoast
What do know about Micro-Broadcasting radio stations?? (I know its off-topic)
24 posted on 02/27/2004 11:55:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: rightcoast
I got an Expert license in 2000. But, if it wasn't for the rules changes, I probably never would have gotten any license.

I had a hell of time learning code even at the wimpy 5 wpm requirement. I spent about three times as much time listening to code as I spent studying for the technical exam.
25 posted on 02/28/2004 5:58:11 PM PST by RatSlayer
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To: rightcoast
I wonder how O'Reilly picked up radio jargon, which he uses frequently. His "wat say u", and "wat sa old man" are terms used in morse code radio ops for decades.

Watsaom?
26 posted on 02/29/2004 12:47:25 PM PST by petertare (truth, justice and the American way)
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To: rightcoast
Bump.... de KF4TE
27 posted on 02/29/2004 5:31:22 PM PST by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign visit W-04.com for FREE STICKERS)
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To: rightcoast
A No-Code Tech Bump

I feel guilty about not relearning code. I did get the alphabet down many years ago while in High School but didn't test for tech license until many years later when unused code was long forgotten.

de KD5AIU
28 posted on 02/29/2004 7:22:55 PM PST by TLOne (All the terrorists want is for us to bow and worship their god. Oh, and let them rule.)
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To: rightcoast
KZ3S bump
29 posted on 03/01/2004 7:27:35 PM PST by rockprof
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To: rightcoast
If FreeRepublic has a "Morse Code" type requirement, it would cut out most disrupters. .
30 posted on 03/01/2004 7:37:53 PM PST by GOPJ (NFL Fatcats: Grown men don't watch hollywood peep shows with wives and children.)
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To: rightcoast
Lurker
de November 7 Delta Bravo
6M op in CN85
bump
31 posted on 03/02/2004 9:23:40 AM PST by Blue_Spark
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To: Johnny Gage
Tech since 1993. We really ought to use the responses to this and similar threads as the basis for a FR hams list.

-archy-/-
32 posted on 03/03/2004 4:35:57 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: petertare
I wonder how O'Reilly picked up radio jargon, which he uses frequently. His "wat say u", and "wat sa old man" are terms used in morse code radio ops for decades.

He listens to Art Bell?

[W6OBB, usually on 75 meters]

33 posted on 03/03/2004 4:38:56 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Some of us learned as railroad telegraphers, also taught Vail Morse as standard by the US Army until 1965. This slows up the process of picking up international Mores by ear somewhat.

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34 posted on 03/03/2004 4:49:04 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: rightcoast
73 de KK5RZ

35 posted on 03/03/2004 8:10:38 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: RatSlayer
What's your call sign?

de KK5RZ
36 posted on 03/03/2004 8:12:30 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Johnny Gage
What do you think about the possible license class changes?

Two classes:
Extra: Code and all current theory. Full frequency and power priveledges.

Genetal (Novice, Tech, whatever): No code and all theory through current general. Full priveledges above 30MHz. Limited voice priveledges on 10, 15, 40 and 80 meters.

I see no reason to split hairs any further. BTW my license is Extra now.

37 posted on 03/05/2004 3:19:43 PM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
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To: rightcoast
If FR is a parallel to Ham Radio then Creationism must be the Parallel to Morse Code. :-)

I have had a General Ticket since July, 1979. This OM is soon to be an Old Timer.

38 posted on 03/05/2004 3:35:59 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (LWS - Legislating While Stupid. Someone should make this illegal.)
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To: rightcoast
KA3WRW since 1990. B-) Technician class with 5 WPM
39 posted on 03/05/2004 6:48:38 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: JoJo Gunn
Well, IF the changes come through, stay away from 3.853 and 14.313!

Ya' mean K1MAN isn't a good guy? /sarcasm

40 posted on 03/05/2004 7:05:16 PM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
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To: archy
et tu Archy.

73
41 posted on 03/05/2004 7:07:30 PM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
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To: msdrby; Wneighbor; AnAmericanMother
FReeper Ham ping
42 posted on 03/05/2004 7:08:53 PM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
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To: AlexW
DE W4EX, Ham since 1958, previous to W4EX (1998) I was K4ZKZ

DE K4ZDZ, also Ham since 1958... (no need for a vanity call sign since the "K4ZDZ" has both a phonetic and code lyrical rhythm!

43 posted on 03/06/2004 10:13:04 AM PST by ExSES
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To: Professional Engineer
Genetal (Novice, Tech, whatever): No code and all theory through current general. Full priveledges above 30MHz. Limited voice priveledges on 10, 15, 40 and 80 meters.

Now THAT'S an interesting designation for a licensing class....

44 posted on 03/06/2004 12:40:13 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
ROFLMAO I didn't see THAT one!
45 posted on 03/06/2004 12:46:45 PM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Keep your amperage REAL low, fella....
46 posted on 03/06/2004 12:54:04 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
Keep your amperage REAL low, fella....

sure thing. My HF rig is QRP only!

47 posted on 03/06/2004 1:04:39 PM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
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To: rightcoast
I've never done ham radio, but I am interested in the political implications of FCC regulation.

It is my thesis that FCC broadcast licenses are unconstitutional "titles of nobility", in that the FCC stipulates that the license operates in the public interest--which means that the FCC essentially certifies the licensees to be truth-tellers.

And that is just the sort of thing that the First Amendment says is outside the purview of government.

As to the comparison of FreeRepublic with ham radio, I think that the Internet in general is the free press grown up--it is "the poor man's soap box" with a global reach. In a way it might be thought of as taking the sport out of DXing . . . and it gives the "operator" the ability to make his text and images accessible globally.

The other difference between ham radio and FR is that ham radio has relatively few channels to operate on, I think--whereas the Internet has basically unlimited capacity to allow people to establish their own addresses for the rest of the world to access. Again, the broadcast licensee has the right to talk, and we-the-people have the right to listen--and the duty to shut up, as far as the licensed bands are concerned. That turns the First Amendment principle on its head.

Why Broadcast Journalism is Unnecessary and Illegitimate

48 posted on 03/06/2004 5:35:34 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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To: rightcoast
QRZ DE KA0IXI Spence.
Advanced licensed since 1980.
Ham radio bump
FR has take over my all of spare time.
49 posted on 03/06/2004 7:31:18 PM PST by hambran
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To: archy
[W6OBB, usually on 75 meters]

Art was active last night - on 3.840 (MHz) - close to a group I talk with once in awhile.

Art's got a new antenna system too; it involves scads of harware cloth (for use as a ground plane) and a large 'loop' for use on "eighty" (meters that is) ... signal reports he's getting have been good - incuding 59 reports at 20 dB over S9 in Alaska ...

50 posted on 03/08/2004 4:24:02 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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