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Firing on U.S. Citizens.
Vanity | Fithee

Posted on 03/01/2004 5:18:27 AM PST by Fithee

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To: G.Mason
With all due respect, I was replying to a statement made by Consort earlier in the thread.

Sorry, I must have misunderstood the purpose of your initial post to me.

41 posted on 03/01/2004 6:59:43 AM PST by steve50 ("Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." -H. L. Mencken)
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To: Eastbound
How old was this cop at the time?
42 posted on 03/01/2004 7:29:02 AM PST by B4Ranch (Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.--Eleanor Roosevelt)
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To: RockChucker; American_Centurion
"How many would fire on people declared 'terrorists' by their superiors?"

What percentage of 'new Americans' do we have in Iraq now? I recall reading the figure was something around 25%. What percentage of these 'new Americans' understand the Constitution, specifically the 2nd Amendment?

43 posted on 03/01/2004 7:33:46 AM PST by B4Ranch (Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.--Eleanor Roosevelt)
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To: steve50
> Consider the following statement:
>
> "I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of
> firearms banned by the United States government."

The police are nearer to doing that than the US military. What do you think the answers to that question would be if asked of the police? After all, they do it already in many parts of the US. My guess is 90% or more of the police would fire on civilians who would not give up their guns.

A few might take early retirement. Fewer still might refuse their orders and get fired. But most would do what the police in New York, Washington DC, Chicago, much of California and other places do right now. Fire on gunowners.
44 posted on 03/01/2004 7:34:32 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Diogenesis
That pretty much sums it up for anyone with doubts.
45 posted on 03/01/2004 7:40:16 AM PST by templar
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To: jim_trent
I agree jim. With the current moves to federalize city/state/county police in local matters they'll have the needed command structure as well.
46 posted on 03/01/2004 7:41:14 AM PST by steve50 ("Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." -H. L. Mencken)
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To: steve50
"Sorry, I must have misunderstood the purpose of your initial post to me.

Not at all.

Quite frankly I erred in posting to you and others who have stated your preference not to vote for GWB.

I have opinions, like all of us here, but I have no right to hold you up to ridicule.

For that I apologize.

47 posted on 03/01/2004 7:45:24 AM PST by G.Mason ("We will never seek a permission slip to defend the United States of America" G.W. Bush)
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To: upchuck
"MOLON LABE"
48 posted on 03/01/2004 7:47:32 AM PST by JamesA (Stand up, stand together or die as one.)
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To: steve50
You and jim are both correct imo. Instead of Peace Keepers we have Law Enforcers working for a "criminal" justice system.
49 posted on 03/01/2004 7:48:19 AM PST by BabsC
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To: georgia outlaw
" ....... Why complain about the Presidential Election when Congress is America's biggest enemy? ......."

Boy, you said a mouthful, brother!

50 posted on 03/01/2004 7:49:20 AM PST by G.Mason ("We will never seek a permission slip to defend the United States of America" G.W. Bush)
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To: American_Centurion
If you don't know what a person stands for and believes you shouldn't vote for them.

Voting is done by considering party affiliation, not principles. At least for themajority. Those who put principle above party are far too few in number to make any significant difference in an election.

51 posted on 03/01/2004 7:49:28 AM PST by templar
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To: G.Mason
I have opinions, like all of us here, but I have no right to hold you up to ridicule. For that I apologize.

Not a problem G. I understand how divisive the party/principle threads are here and try to limit myself to addressing issues lately.

52 posted on 03/01/2004 7:51:11 AM PST by steve50 ("Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." -H. L. Mencken)
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To: Fithee
bttt
53 posted on 03/01/2004 7:53:19 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: BabsC
Instead of Peace Keepers we have Law Enforcers working for a "criminal" justice system

Going to get a lot worse, imo. The PTB have the so called right and left hating each other so much they'll accept about any action of government as long as it's directed at the opposition. In the end it gives them increased power over us all, which of course is the goal to start with.

54 posted on 03/01/2004 7:59:49 AM PST by steve50 ("Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." -H. L. Mencken)
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To: B4Ranch
About 25.
55 posted on 03/01/2004 8:02:49 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: steve50
In the end it gives them increased power over us all, which of course is the goal to start with.

Total CONTROL of the people is the goal.
56 posted on 03/01/2004 8:11:16 AM PST by B4Ranch (Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.--Eleanor Roosevelt)
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To: BabsC
"Instead of Peace Keepers we have Law Enforcers working for a "criminal" justice system."

I don't think justice is even in the picture anymore.

57 posted on 03/01/2004 8:14:15 AM PST by B4Ranch (Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.--Eleanor Roosevelt)
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To: Fithee
Subject:
-> The Pentagon has Classified the results of a survey taken last May 10 at
-> a southern california Marines Corps base to determine if the servicemen
-> would
-> be willing to "fire upon U.S. citizens" in a Federal program to
-> confiscate privately-owned firearms. In addition, claims by the Navy
-> that the survey was given only to Marines at the California base appears
-> to be false.

-> 300 TOOK SURVEY

-> The 300 Marines who took the survey - on a voluntary basis according to
-> Hoffman {Judge Advocate at the base} - were asked whether they agreed,
-> disagreed or had no opinion regarding a number of situations or
-> scenarios, outlined on the survey, most of which dealt with serving in
-> multi-national or United Nations commands.
-> The final statement ,however, shocked Americans when they learned about
-> it (SPOTLIGHT, July 25).
-> The statement was : "The U.S. Government declares a ban on the
-> possession, sale and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty
-> (30) day amnesty is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to
-> local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen
-> groups refuse to turn over thier firearms.
-> Consider the following statement: "I will fire upon U.S. citizens who
-> refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S.
-> government."

-> WHY A SECRET
-> The question which now arises from the incident is why the details of a
-> student's post-graduate studies, if indeed they are so "innocuous", have
-> been CLASSIFIED {ed-emphasis} by the Navy and the Marines.

-> The Navy claims that the survey was given only to Marines at Twentynine
-> Palms. However, last January the SPOTLIGHT and Modern Gun magazine
-> reported that a survey posing the same question about servicemens
-> willingness to shoot at American citizens in a gun confiscation program
-> was given to
-> elite Navy SEAL's. >From Army Special Forces sources, the SPOTLIGHT has
-> determined that the survey was first presented to Navy SEAL Team Six
-> last Sept. 15 and then to other SEAL units through the rest of
-> September and then in October {1993}. Last January 22 {1994} the
-> Internet,the huge nation wide computer network, carried a message
-> from SEAL Team Six Petty Officer 2nd Class, W. Kelly to a D.Hankins.
-> In the Internet message Kelly said the survey had been given to
-> determine, "if we would follow the orders of commanding officers
-> without question." "If you wish to find out how I answered," Kelly
-> continued, " I said YES, I WOULD FIRE AND KILL ALL PERSONS ATTEMPTING
-> TO RESIST. WE AREN'T AROUND TO BE THE GOOD GUYS.
58 posted on 03/01/2004 8:27:24 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: templar
Voting is done by considering party affiliation, not principles. At least for the majority.

I agree with you, in fact I am in that majority on almost all Federal elections. But that is because I am convinced that the Dems are truly enemies of freedom and the Republic.

The sad part is that corruption and lying are, at least to a certain extent,accepted characteristics of pols. Even when honesty and character are visibly displayed large numbers of people will readily believe that the pol is a liar.

59 posted on 03/01/2004 9:40:14 AM PST by American_Centurion (Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Anyone STILL think that the WOD is worth it?

Just the WOD people. No price is too great to pay, no loss of liberty too extreme, to fight the WOD in their minds.

I flatly don't understand the WOD mindset, but I see no real difference between it (the WOD mindset) and the anti-gunner mindset.

60 posted on 03/01/2004 9:50:52 AM PST by templar
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