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Arnold seeks to revamp license bill
Washington Times ^ | 3/02/04 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 03/01/2004 10:06:25 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:13:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is working with state Democrats to revamp a bill that would allow illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses, a politically fractious issue that contributed to the ousting of his predecessor.

Three months after securing a repeal of Senate Bill 60, the highly criticized bill approved by former Gov. Gray Davis, Mr. Schwarzenegger is working to craft substitute legislation, which would address national security concerns and ensure that drivers carry insurance, with Democratic state Sen. Gil Cedillo.


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; calgov2002; driverslicense; gilcedillo; immigrantlist; sb1160; schwarzenegger

1 posted on 03/01/2004 10:06:26 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
I have a brilliant idea:

Instead of a valid California driver's license, let's give illegal aliens a photo I.D. that says "PLEASE ARREST AND DEPORT ME IF YOU FIND ME CARRYING THIS CARD".

Since it is in the hated english language, they won't know what it says.

2 posted on 03/01/2004 10:21:51 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: kattracks
Schwarzenegger is working to craft substitute legislation, which would address national security concerns and ensure that drivers carry insurance, with Democratic state Sen. Gil Cedillo.

The wording of this tells me it is a total sham. In Kali, insurance is carried on the car, not on the driver. If I lend my car to someone else & they have an accident, my insurance company or I am responsible for the damage to others' property, or their injuries.

3 posted on 03/01/2004 10:43:08 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: BushMeister
"Republican" Governor???? Are we really sure about the "Republican" part???

His wife is a cardcarrying Dem.
4 posted on 03/02/2004 3:47:52 AM PST by stopem
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To: kattracks
Those who support driver's licenses for illegals argue that the issue boils down to public safety. Illegal immigrants are going to drive no matter what...

Illegal immigrants are going to break the law no matter what.

"And I think they want to comply with the law where they can." [Mr. Savage said.]

And I think they only comply with the law when it's convenient for them to do so.

5 posted on 03/02/2004 4:06:28 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster; madfly
ping
6 posted on 03/02/2004 6:54:43 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: kattracks
"With the jobs and hours these folks work, they really don't have a choice but to drive,"

folks....How about brazen law breakers

7 posted on 03/02/2004 7:20:39 AM PST by sangoo
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
ping
8 posted on 03/02/2004 9:03:51 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: kattracks
We'll take this bill to a referendum if it passes. And we'll vote out of office ANY Republican who votes to license illegal aliens.
9 posted on 03/02/2004 9:06:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: gubamyster
I'm so disgusted with myself for voting for Benedict Arnold.
10 posted on 03/02/2004 9:10:57 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: kattracks
Mr. Schwarzenegger signaled support for new legislation at a luncheon in January in Sacramento, when he said he was "absolutely positive we'll come up with a great bill"

To be immediately followed by the clatter of the governor's popularity rating as it smashes into the ground.

WHat will it take to convince the elites that Californians don't WANT this bill.

Good thing Arnold's bond measures are being voted on today, 'cause he won't be able to influence the election of dog catcher after the 'new, improved' SB60 gets passed.

11 posted on 03/02/2004 10:39:35 AM PST by skeeter
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To: kattracks
Arnold - just another lying RINO.
12 posted on 03/02/2004 10:44:18 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: kattracks; Sabertooth; Rabid Dog
"I told you so" bump to the top. Saber, I wish more in Cali had read and heeded your posts.
13 posted on 03/02/2004 10:57:51 AM PST by truthkeeper
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To: kattracks
"With the jobs and hours these folks work, they really don't have a choice but to drive,"

They have the choice to move home where they belong. They chose to break a laundry list of laws out of self interest. Why should anyone - especially the state - be interested in assisting them?

It's a short drive to the border. They can even take their cars with them; Mexican registration is a joke. Hell, they can just tell the Federal Judicial Police that they stole it in Los Angeles - that ought to get a few congratulatory backslaps.

14 posted on 03/02/2004 11:09:31 AM PST by Regulator
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To: kattracks; Bella_Bru; goldstategop; Sabertooth; TatooChick; Impeach98; evilsmoker; ElkGroveDan; ...
Well.

This is nice news.

Who could have seen this coming??

(Join Arnold... Or Else)
15 posted on 03/02/2004 11:44:06 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: StoneColdGOP
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is working with state Democrats to revamp a bill that would allow illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses,

What is there to revamp? Isn't this a rather simple decision? There are 2 choices: 1)Illegals get licenses or 2)Illegals do NOT get licenses.

And doesn't Arnie-poo understand that the license issue was a major factor in Gumby getting the boot?

16 posted on 03/02/2004 11:57:28 AM PST by Bella_Bru (Arnie and Vicente...what a cute couple.)
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To: CurlyDave
The wording of this tells me it is a total sham. In Kali, insurance is carried on the car, not on the driver. If I lend my car to someone else & they have an accident, my insurance company or I am responsible for the damage to others' property, or their injuries.

Yep, but it makes a good soundbite, doesn't it. You said it... "Total Sham"
The "background checks" are equally vacuous. How exactly are they going to check background, on what information will they rely, and how much would that cost?

17 posted on 03/02/2004 12:08:26 PM PST by calcowgirl (No on Propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: kattracks
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is working with state Democrats to revamp a bill that would allow illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses, a politically fractious issue that contributed to the ousting of his predecessor.

At least when Davis WASN'T under political pressure, he voted AGAINST Gil Cedio.

Any chance we can get Gray Davis circa first term back????

Seriously, this actor actually sent propoganda to my house before the recall because I am a registered Repub, with a checklist. One of the 3 things was the repeal of SB60.

I was 90% certain this was carefully crafted flim flam for the suckers in the GOP and voted for McClintock, now I am 100% certain. This politician is resurecting the same bill betraying his constiuency before a single year has passed? Am I the only one outraged by this?

18 posted on 03/02/2004 2:40:12 PM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Treason doth never prosper, for if it does, none dare call it treason)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
No!!!
19 posted on 03/02/2004 4:23:22 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: StoneColdGOP
(Join Arnold... Or Else)

Now we begin to see the destruction that is "Or Else"


20 posted on 03/02/2004 4:30:27 PM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Treason doth never prosper, for if it does, none dare call it treason)
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To: kattracks
Mr. Savage said. "We didn't want that, because it would be akin to having a scarlet letter that could alert police [and others] to their status

Oh no! We wouldn't want to alert the police that they were dealing with a lawbreaker, now would we?

21 posted on 03/02/2004 4:34:55 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: Regulator; All

22 posted on 03/02/2004 4:45:01 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ("Do not come to America to live off the law-abiding American taxpayer." -- Newt Gingrich)
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To: kattracks
Those who support driver's licenses for illegals argue that the issue boils down to public safety. Illegal immigrants are going to drive no matter what, and allowing them to apply for licenses will ensure that they learn the rules of the road and acquire insurance.

I really hate this argument. So, illegal aliens are going to break the law anyway by driving without a license, so we might as well accomodate them by giving them a license? What if a 10-year-old kid said "I'm going to drive anyway so you might as well give me a license". Should we give him a driver's license. What if a person with poor eyesight, who couldn't qualify for a driver's license because of his eyesight, said "I'm going to drive anyway so you might as well give me a license". An illegal alien without a driver's license is no different than an American without a driver's license. If you don't have a license, stay the heck off the roads! That's the best way to make the roads safer for all licensed drivers.

23 posted on 03/02/2004 4:48:18 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: truthkeeper; StoneColdGOP; Mercuria; SixString; ambrose; Pelham; Joe Hadenuf; Torie; RonDog; ...

**"I told you so" bump to the top. Saber, I wish more in Cali had read and heeded your posts.

**Who could have seen this coming??

Anyone who read Arnold's campaign website.


24 posted on 03/02/2004 7:10:36 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Sabertooth
Maybe the grand compromise is to have a driver's license that has "illegal alien" stamped on it. What do you think?
25 posted on 03/02/2004 7:16:12 PM PST by Torie
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To: CurlyDave
In Kali, insurance is carried on the car, not on the driver.

Wrong. Liability and Damage are on the driver and are required to be carried by the driver whether or not the car is insured. The insurance on the car is only for damage to the car. They just assiociate it with the car for convenience. For example, if you rent a car and get in an accident and do NOT take the rip-off supplemental insurance, your auto insurance is on the line for damage to property and people (but not the car itself).

26 posted on 03/02/2004 7:22:17 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Everyone is stupid! That is why they do all those stupid things! -- H. Simpson.)
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To: kattracks
This RINO is growing a horn
27 posted on 03/02/2004 7:29:23 PM PST by novacation
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To: Bob
May I get some help here?: Why is Arnold against referendum to repeal illegals' drivers licenses? ^ Posted by Bob to churchillbuff On The Smokey Backroom ^ 09/29/2003 10:41:05 AM PDT #3 of 239 ^

A few of us have been trying to get a coherent answer to this question for a week or so. The only "answer" appears to be that Arnold will somehow find a way to overturn SB60 but nobody seems to have any idea how.

Hey Bob...looks like we finally got an answer to the question!

28 posted on 03/02/2004 8:16:55 PM PST by truthkeeper
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To: goldstategop
>> We'll take this bill to a referendum if it passes. And we'll vote out of office ANY Republican who votes to license illegal aliens. <<

Fat chance in the Land of Riordan.

RINOs run the state now. California is the NY of the west coast. Get ready for more Tom Campbells, and remember, you voted for it!

29 posted on 03/02/2004 8:33:00 PM PST by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term....without parole.)
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To: freedumb2003
Wrong. Liability and Damage are on the driver and are required to be carried by the driver whether or not the car is insured.

Look it up somewhere, or ask a lawyer. I know whereof I speak. Insurance is carried on the car. There is usually a clause about covering the owner of the car if he is driving someone else's car, but that is primarily to cover an uninsured car.

When any of my kids got a license, there was no insurance requirement for them, but the insurance on my cars went up. If a kid is the primary driver of a vehicle the rates are astronomical, but the insurance is still on the car.

From the California DMV web site:

"Vehicle owners are required to submit evidence of liability insurance to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) when renewing the registration of a motor vehicle. Trailers, off-highway vehicles, and vessels are excluded from this requirement. Acceptable paper evidence of current liability insurance is an insurance identification card issued to vehicle owners by insurance companies."

30 posted on 03/02/2004 9:27:31 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: truthkeeper
Hey Bob...looks like we finally got an answer to the question!

Yes, we did. And Oh My, what a surprise. </sarcasm>

31 posted on 03/03/2004 8:03:17 AM PST by Bob
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To: Bob
I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!
32 posted on 03/03/2004 8:28:32 AM PST by truthkeeper
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To: DumpsterDiver
The Save Our State Initiative (a revised Prop 187) could help alleviate the illegal alien problem.

It amends the California Constitution to require providers of public benefits to verify whether applicants are lawfully present in the United States.

It prohibits the state and its political subdivisions from accepting identification documents not issued by a state or federal jurisdiction.

It requires the state to verify driver's license applicant's identity and lawful presence in United States.

Unlike Prop 187, SOS is a constitutional amendment and thus, if approved, could not be challenged on the grounds that it conflicts with the state constitution. But this also means that more signatures (598,000 total) are required to get SOS on the November ballot than it took to get Prop 187 on the ballot nine years ago. Supporters have until April 15 to do it.

Their website is: http://www.save187.com/

Unfortunately, I think it's a dead initiative, since they have only collected 155,000 signatures so far. But if you wish to help, you can download the petition from their website to print the form and gather signatures. You might also consider forwarding the website link to like-minded friends and relatives.
33 posted on 03/03/2004 3:15:37 PM PST by Equusphile
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To: Equusphile
Unfortunately, I think it's a dead initiative, since they have only collected 155,000 signatures so far.

It's easy to suffer from burnout here what with the continuing influx of illegals, the overturning of the original Prop 187 and then gay marriages after passing Prop 22 (??). Voters get discouraged.

But if you wish to help, you can download the petition from their website to print the form and gather signatures.

I've already done that. Maybe things will pick up again between now and November.

34 posted on 03/03/2004 5:12:10 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: CurlyDave
Ahem.

From the California Vehicle Code (emphasis added):

CALIFORNIA CODES VEHICLE CODE SECTION 34630-34634

16020. (a) Every driver and every owner of a motor vehicle shall at all times be able to establish financial responsibility pursuant to Section 16021, and shall at all times carry in the vehicle evidence of the form of financial responsibility in effect for the vehicle.

I know because many moons ago I got berated (but not nailed because the law was new) for driving a car when I wasn't insured. Even if you don't own a car, you MUST have insurance to even drive in California.

35 posted on 03/03/2004 6:17:38 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Everyone is stupid! That is why they do all those stupid things! -- H. Simpson.)
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To: DumpsterDiver
If the Save Our State Initiative fails, Californians only have themselves to blame when their taxes, tuition, and healthcare costs go up. According to the Los Angeles Daily News:

Even with the $15 billion bond issue, California is heading for a $7 billion deficit in 2005-06, according to state Legislative Analyst Elizabeth Hill.

Source: http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~1992997,00.html

Of course, illegal immigration is not the only reason for the enormous budget deficit. But it certainly plays a big part in it.
36 posted on 03/04/2004 3:26:48 PM PST by Equusphile
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