Report: Israel broke Iranian code

Jerusalem Post ^ | Mar. 2, 2004 | Yaakov Katz

[Alouette]

A secret Israeli intelligence unit, known as Unit 8200, broke a sophisticated Iranian code enabling Israel to monitor communications, including contacts with Pakistan regarding the development of Iranian nuclear weapons, the New Yorker magazine reported on Tuesday.

"On a trip to the Middle East last month, I was told that a number of years ago the Israeli signals-intelligence agency, known as Unit 8200, broke a sophisticated Iranian code and began monitoring communications that included talk between Iran and Pakistan about Iran's burgeoning nuclear-weapons program" Investigative reporter Seymour M. Hersh wrote in the article.

According to the report, Israeli intelligence has created strong ties in Iran over the year, some of which exist till today. Hersh writes that the investigation by the International Atomic Energy Agency (I.A.E.A.) into Iranian nuclear capability was spurred by Israeli intelligence findings which were relayed to the atomic agency via the National Council of Resistance of Iran.

According to the report, the findings, which showed that senior officials in Teheran and Islamabad had frequent conversations regarding the I.A.E.A. investigations, were also shared with United Sates intelligence services.

"The interpretation is the issue here," a former intelligence official is quoted as saying in the report. "If you set the buzzwords aside, the substance is that the Iranians were saying, 'We've got to play with the I.A.E.A. We don't want to blow our cover, but we have to show some movement. There's no way we're going against world public opinion—no way. We've got to show that we're cooperating and get the Europeans on our side.'"

Hersh reports that he met with a senior Israeli intelligence officer in Tel Aviv who has access to the secret Iran-Pakistan contacts and was told that Israel remains convinced that "the Iranians do not intend to give up the bomb.

"What Iran did was report to the I.A.E.A. the information that was already out in the open and which they cannot protect. There is much that is not exposed," he said.

[Alouette]

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel ping list.

WARNING: This is a high volume ping list

[Samwise]

bump

[Just mythoughts]

Would be lovely to know if more than JFKerry are in communication with IRAN.

[ConservativeMan55]

Bump! This doesn't suprise me!

Israel has the best intel of anybody.

[ex-Texan]

*BUMP*!

[Gunslingr3]

This doesn't suprise me! Israel has the best intel of anybody.

U.S.S. Liberty

[Tree of Liberty]

Smells like psy-ops to me. First, how would the JP find out about this? Second, why would they print it since it puts the news staff in direct danger of Iran? Third, if true, wouldn't the JP face serious criminal charges? If I'm not mistaken, Israel does not have the same liberalness of the Freedom of the Press as we do.

[Alouette]

If I'm not mistaken, Israel does not have the same liberalness of the Freedom of the Press as we do.

The Israeli press is dominated by the left, even more so than in this country. Leftist media outlets (like "Ha'aretz") routinely incite all manner of pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel propaganda, while right-wing organs (like Arutz Sheva) are in danger of being shut down.

Secondly, if you read the article, this story first broke in the New Yorker.

[aynrandfreak]

If that's the first thing that comes to your mind when Israel is brought up, then I think you're a Jew-hater.

[cspackler]

My first reaction is that this is BS. If it were true, OBL would have been in the bag a long time ago. Or maybe... Nah.

[adam_az]

"U.S.S. Liberty"

Sounds to me like you have your own intelligence problems.

[kinghorse]

The First Rule of Fight Club is You Do Not Talk About Fight Club
The Second Rule of Fight Club is You Do Not Talk About Fight Club

[Gunslingr3]

If that's the first thing that comes to your mind when Israel is brought up, then I think you're a Jew-hater.

Israeli's strafe the crap out of a U.S. flagged vessel in international waters and knowing that fact makes me a 'Jew-hater'? 34 Americans killed and 172 injured and knowing that makes me a 'Jew-hater'! Your effort to forget the truth by trying to disparage me with racist labels is lame.

"So likewise, a passionate attachment of one Nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite Nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest, in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter, without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite Nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the Nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained; and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens, (who devote themselves to the favorite nation,) facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation."

"As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent Patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practise the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the Public Councils! Such an attachment of a small or weak, towards a great and powerful nation, dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter."

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defence against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation, and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests."

Call me America-lover, if you need a label...

[kinghorse]

IF it gets too hot in here, I suggest using paper to defeat rock. Scissor won't work. Here's your card. In a pinch, It'll trump arguments of other liberal oppressee's.

You can't dump on me like that, I'm {blank}

[Tree of Liberty]

You're right. I skimmed over that bit. Apologies.

[kinghorse]

"this story first broke in the New Yorker."

Well that's all the proof I need that it's legit.

hooohay.

[Numbers Guy]

Seymour Hersh is wrong more often than he's right, plus he has a left-wing agenda. I'd just as soon believe DEBKA.

[aynrandfreak]

David Duke considers himself an America-lover too. In fact, even the obvious America-haters won't admit they hate America, but they only want to focus on America's flaws (slavery, Indians, etc). That's their whole view of America. And when someone's biggest issue is bringing up the Liberty whenever Israel is mentioned, to me doesn't like Israel. Israel had no motive to hit the Liberty, and they stopped on their own once they realized it wasn't an enemy ship. My experience has taught me that most of those same people that have visceral dilike towards Israel, don't like Jews.

You keep calling yourself an America-lover. I stand by my judgment.

[OldFriend]

Ugh, have no trust in Hersch at all.

[Mr. K]

David Duke... now there is a blast from the past- whatever happened to him? Last I heard he was back with some racist organization- after repeatedly professing that he renounced his past during his attempt to get elected.

[aynrandfreak]

I think he's in jail for defrauding fellow racists (but I'm sure he blames it on a Jewish conspiracy)

[freedomson]

A+Bert ?

Admiral Kimmel ?

[SJackson]

Given the fact that you selectively quote Washington, without regard to context or his admonitions that existing relationships must be adhered to, aynrandfreak might be on to something.

[Gunslingr3]

Israel had no motive to hit the Liberty, and they stopped on their own once they realized it wasn't an enemy ship.

"So likewise, a passionate attachment of one Nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite Nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest, in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter, without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite Nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the Nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained; and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens, (who devote themselves to the favorite nation,) facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation."

Tell me, Aynrandfreak, what has America purchased with the blood of several thousand citizens and the expense of billions of U.S. taxpayer proceeds to be part of the Middle East's wars?

[Eala]

"Of interest despite the USS Liberty war here" ping

[Gunslingr3]

Given the fact that you selectively quote Washington, without regard to context or his admonitions that existing relationships must be adhered to, aynrandfreak might be on to something.

Existing relationship? Tell me, before Jimminy Carter tried to buy 'peace' between Egypt and Israel with annual payments of billions of dollars from the U.S. taxpayer, what was the 'existing relationship' with Israel that caused us to lose thousands of Americans and spend billions of dollars being a player in Middle Eastern wars?

[SJackson]

Existing relationship? Tell me, before Jimminy Carter tried to buy 'peace' between Egypt and Israel with annual payments of billions of dollars from the U.S. taxpayer, what was the 'existing relationship' with Israel that caused us to lose thousands of Americans and spend billions of dollars being a player in Middle Eastern wars?

Dwight Eisenhower, had to get the Sinai and the canal back for our Egyptian allies. And now it's a priority to get a state for our palestinian allies.

Sorry you have such a problem with Israel, oh well. Do you have anything to add to the topic of the thread?

[null and void]

Didn't we get the Nazi's to change a code we couldn't break to one we could, by leaking that we had broken the code?

[Gunslingr3]

Dwight Eisenhower, had to get the Sinai and the canal back for our Egyptian allies.

Peter Golden in his "authorized biography" of Max M. Fisher "Quiet Diplomat" (1992) relates that in October 1965 Fisher met with President Eisenhower in Gettysburg to get agreement to accept the U.J.A. medal for his role in the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps twenty years earlier. French General Pierre Keonig leader of the French Resistance and British Field Marshall Alexander were also to be honored. Golden reports that toward the end of the visit Eisenhower "wistfully commented 'You know, Max, looking back at Suez, I regret what I did. I never should have pressured Israel to evacuate the Sinai'" (all references are to pages xvii and xvix).

Maybe the Israeli's were pissed to be fighting over the same territory we forced them to give back once before. Our 'existing relationship' before Jimminy Carter started shovelling the Middle East our money and getting terrorists in return was to tell Israel what to do?

And now it's a priority to get a state for our palestinian allies.

The 'allies' that danced in the streets and passed out candy on 9/11? It be funny if it wasn't my money and my friends being wasted on that craphole called the Middle East.

[doug from upland]

"We've got to show that we're cooperating and get the Europeans on our side."
===================================

That is obviously an incomplete sentence. Let me correct it. "We've got to show that we're cooperating and get the Europeans and DEMOCRATS on our side."

[Sam's Army]

Yeah, but what does that have to do with the topic of this thread.

Perspective, son.

[aynrandfreak]

...America purchased with the blood of several thousand citizens and the expense of billions of U.S. taxpayer proceeds to be part of the Middle East's wars

Careful, you're true colors are coming through. So you blame Israel for "Middle East wars". Did Israel make Saddam invade Kuwait? You imply that our support for Israel "caused" 9/11. Now you're a justifier of terrorism too. If we'd only let the Islamists take over Israel & Kashmir & Europe, then the Islamists wouldn't have any gripe with us? And you dare claim to love America?

[VeniVidiVici]

We've got to show that we're cooperating and get the Europeans on our side.'"

Damn! You beat me to it! Exactly what I was going to say! As long as this thread's going off topic, how 'bout them Marlins? ;-)

[ASA Vet]

OBL would have been in the bag a long time ago

Would dead before Dec 13th, 2001 suffice?

[wattsmag2]

We've got to show that we're cooperating and get the Europeans on our side.'"

Shouldn't be too hard of a trick to turn.

[cspackler]

Would dead before Dec 13th, 2001 suffice?

That's where the "Or maybe... Nah" comes from...

[ASA Vet]

That's what I supected it indicated. ;-)

[Gunslingr3]

Careful, you're true colors are coming through. So you blame Israel for "Middle East wars".

No. I blame American presidents for involving the U.S. in them.

Did Israel make Saddam invade Kuwait? You imply that our support for Israel "caused" 9/11. Now you're a justifier of terrorism too.

I didn't say it was justification. If I step on your toe and you sock me in the eye, you might have something you hold up as a cause or reason for your action (my having stepped on your toe), but that doesn't justify your action. The U.S. was attacked on 9/11 for the same reason it was attacked by AQ throughout the 90's. Funneling U.S. tax dollars to Israel (we get absolutely zero credit for the billions funnelled to the despot in Egypt) and U.S. troops on Saudi soil.

If we'd only let the Islamists take over Israel & Kashmir & Europe, then the Islamists wouldn't have any gripe with us?

Newsflash - Israel has nukes, India has nukes, and European states have nukes. Why do you think Americans must be bled and taxed to defend them?

And you dare claim to love America?

Yes. If I lived in Europe I'd fight for it, if I lived in Israel I'd fight for it, if I lived in India, I'd fight for it - I wouldn't expect the Americans to do my fighting. You still haven't told me what we've purchased with the thousands of American lives and billions of American tax dollars poured into the Middle East.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

This can't be true since our intelligence was all wrong about WMD's. /sarcasm

[tubavil]

Good morning.

'Liberty' thread!

[jrlc]

JaneFondaKerry is being heavily funded by Iranians -- check out how Gore was funded by the Chinese in 2000. May not come out until after the election but when it comes to JustForKerry the old rule applies in every aspect of his life -- "FOLLOW THE MONEY."

[montag813]

U.S.S. Liberty

U.S.S. Vincennes

[montag813]

Israeli's strafe the crap out of a U.S. flagged vessel in international waters and knowing that fact makes me a 'Jew-hater'?

So where do you go from here? Should we abandon Israel as an ally? Cut off relations? Support Hamas? It is rather tiring to see people say "USS Liberty" or "Remember the Liberty" and nothing else. Yes it was tragic, but WHAT NOW?

[ryanjb2]

I agree with you Gunslingr3.

[aynrandfreak]

If you believe that the Islamists are reacting to our policies then you're as dangerous to this country as the dems. They attack us because they want to take over the world. Too often I hear people that want to co-opt the terrorist's agenda; "the terrorists attack because of... lack of socialism, support for Israel, etc" You are the western fuel that terrorists need to justify their actions. You're more responsible for 9/11 than Israel or our support of it. The terrrorists need people in the West with your attitude of justification and rationalization.

[SevenofNine]

COOOL rack itt
WOuld that be something Alouette there is report that freepers broke few weeks ago that Kerry campaign in Iran for some stupid reason

OH I want read communication between Iran and Kerry camp that be classic

[Professional Engineer]

ping

[HRoarke]

Subsequent posts notwithstanding, deciding from a two word post that someone is a "Jew Hater" is a little much. Posting a message calling someone that is worse. It would be much like my deciding that since you are an "aynrandfreak" that you are anti-religion. My guess is that that isn't true either.

Now that the grenades are being thrown back and forth, and everyone's back is up there's little chance that anyone will know what he meant by "USS Liberty." When I first read it, I figured from the context that he was saying that Israel's intel wasn't always top notch, as evidenced by that tragedy. Much like someone else pointed out with our similar failings in the Vincennes tragedy (better justified IMHO however).

I hate to see this place devolve into a DU name calling contest.

[Gunslingr3]

So where do you go from here? Should we abandon Israel as an ally? Cut off relations? Support Hamas? It is rather tiring to see people say "USS Liberty" or "Remember the Liberty" and nothing else. Yes it was tragic, but WHAT NOW?

Having friendly relations with the nation of Israel does not make it incumbent upon U.S. taxpayers to send her money. Israel has nukes, and more than enough military might to whip her neighbors if need arose. I'd suggest we step back and let them solve their own problems.