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To: aynrandfreak
If that's the first thing that comes to your mind when Israel is brought up, then I think you're a Jew-hater.

Israeli's strafe the crap out of a U.S. flagged vessel in international waters and knowing that fact makes me a 'Jew-hater'? 34 Americans killed and 172 injured and knowing that makes me a 'Jew-hater'! Your effort to forget the truth by trying to disparage me with racist labels is lame.

"So likewise, a passionate attachment of one Nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite Nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest, in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter, without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite Nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the Nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained; and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens, (who devote themselves to the favorite nation,) facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation."

"As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent Patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practise the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the Public Councils! Such an attachment of a small or weak, towards a great and powerful nation, dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter."

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defence against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation, and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests."

Call me America-lover, if you need a label...

14 posted on 03/02/2004 6:58:31 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
IF it gets too hot in here, I suggest using paper to defeat rock. Scissor won't work. Here's your card. In a pinch, It'll trump arguments of other liberal oppressee's.

You can't dump on me like that, I'm {blank}

15 posted on 03/02/2004 7:04:49 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: Gunslingr3
David Duke considers himself an America-lover too. In fact, even the obvious America-haters won't admit they hate America, but they only want to focus on America's flaws (slavery, Indians, etc). That's their whole view of America. And when someone's biggest issue is bringing up the Liberty whenever Israel is mentioned, to me doesn't like Israel. Israel had no motive to hit the Liberty, and they stopped on their own once they realized it wasn't an enemy ship. My experience has taught me that most of those same people that have visceral dilike towards Israel, don't like Jews.

You keep calling yourself an America-lover. I stand by my judgment.
19 posted on 03/02/2004 7:12:03 AM PST by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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To: Gunslingr3
A+Bert ?

Admiral Kimmel ?

23 posted on 03/02/2004 7:34:40 AM PST by freedomson (Baruch Habba B'Shem Adonai)
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To: Gunslingr3
Yeah, but what does that have to do with the topic of this thread.

Perspective, son.

32 posted on 03/02/2004 8:08:39 AM PST by Sam's Army (Why is the left suddenly full of Biblical Scholars?)
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To: Gunslingr3
Israeli's strafe the crap out of a U.S. flagged vessel in international waters and knowing that fact makes me a 'Jew-hater'?

So where do you go from here? Should we abandon Israel as an ally? Cut off relations? Support Hamas? It is rather tiring to see people say "USS Liberty" or "Remember the Liberty" and nothing else. Yes it was tragic, but WHAT NOW?

44 posted on 03/02/2004 8:39:17 AM PST by montag813
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To: Gunslingr3
At this juncture in time, I would call you a jihadist enabler.
61 posted on 03/02/2004 11:42:03 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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