JOHN KERRY VOTED FOR KENNEDY's ban on ALL CENTERFIRE AMMO (63-34 defeated) - Yeas and nays

Thomas ^ | 3-2-03 | Ted Kennedy

[Dan from Michigan]

TEXT OF AMMO BILL

YEAs ---34
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (D-FL) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---63
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT) Bennett (R-UT) Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO) Breaux (D-LA) Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Campbell (R-CO)
Chambliss (R-GA) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH) Dole (R-NC) Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Jeffords (I-VT)
Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-NE) Nickles (R-OK)
Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK) Sununu (R-NH) Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)

Not Voting - 3
Domenici (R-NM) Edwards (D-NC) Johnson (D-SD)

[Dan from Michigan]

I just called Debbie Stabenow's office as well. She needs to be offed politically in 06. Same with Lenin in 08.

And look at Rockefeller and Byrd's vote. In West Virginia? How many hunters there. And Feingold is two faced as always. Votes against the AWB, but gets the low profile ammo ban(WORSE) in. Kohl's at least consistantly bad. Bob Graham and BILL Nelson suck as usual. Dayton showed his true colors as well. The rest are the usual suspects.

This one is so hard-core, even Bingaman, Daschle, DeWine, and LEAHY voted against it.

Kerry (D-MA) - AYE

Kennedy - In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.

Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.

Link here

Kerry - I'm going to kick your sorry ass all over Michigan.

[Dan from Michigan]

BOOM

[KQQL]

Kerry showed up @ the senate..

The whole senate did a flip flop on the bill and killed it

[Dan from Michigan]

I know. Only 8 voted for the final bill.

YEAs ---8 Breaux (D-LA) Daschle (D-SD) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lugar (R-IN) McCain (R-AZ) Pryor (D-AR) Voinovich (R-OH)

[Dan from Michigan]

BTW - Let me clarify. ALL CENTERFIRE AMMO the AG says can penetrate body armor.

Maybe .22's would still be allowed under this........

[Texas Federalist]

What a freaking boob Chafee is! Will someone get him to switch parties. He's useless.

[Centurion2000]

Hmm ... they would not be stupid enough to try and confiscate that much ammo.

[Sir Gawain]

This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.

Cool! Makes me love my Winchester even more. Up yours, commies!

[Shooter 2.5]

Maybe .22's would still be allowed under this........

Until they call .22 cartridges, "Saturday Night Special Ammunition".

[Ancesthntr]

Kerry showed up @ the senate..

The whole senate did a flip flop on the bill and killed it

Kerry took a break from campaigning on the most important campaign day of the year to fly in a rush to DC to vote:

a) For the AWB renewal;

b) For ending gun shows as we know them; and

c) For a ban on most/all centerfire rifle ammo.

Let's shout from the hilltops that Kerry hasn't cast a recorded vote for about a YEAR, because he's been so busy trying to get Bush's job...but banning guns and ammo is even more important to him than becoming President!!!

The best part is that the stupid scumbag then voted against the whole bill, even with the AWB and gunshow-killing amendments, and therefore showed up for NOTHING! His vote never even made a difference (even his and Edwards' together meant nothing on any of the votes cast).

Kerry is a big loser on this day, no matter what happens at the polls. He lost among those gun owners who harbored any hope that he was pro-gun because he awkwardly killed a pheasant dressed in brand-new hunting clothes whil using someone else's very expensive shotgun.

[Dead Dog]

7.62Xwhat? What a bunch of dumb f'&*s. .30x30? (That's a 7.62, as is all .30 cal). Yah, only because every freakin' self respecting 'neck has one (his grandaddy gave it to him). I've got two, one was my Grandads.

[Dog Gone]

I hate to demonstrate my ignorance for all to see, but what is centerfire ammo?

I own 7 guns, including a mini-14 that would have been effected by this amendment, but what makes its ammo "centerfire"?

[demlosers]

Let's shout from the hilltops that Kerry hasn't cast a recorded vote for about a YEAR, because he's been so busy trying to get Bush's job...but banning guns and ammo is even more important to him than becoming President!!!

Looks like an excellent RNC campaign commercial in the making. LOL! Hello Eff'n Kerry, do you remember the 1994 mid-term elections? You anti-gun-freaks got rolled. :)

[Gringo1]

.22 is rimfire in most cases.

[KQQL]

He served in NAM ...you can't question his voting record...don't you know that by now???

[Indy Pendance]

These senators Kohl and Feingold are disgusting. Gad, they are losers! Why do the people of Wisconsin keep electing these liberals? argh! Let's investigate Kohl's gayness.....

[alaskanfan]

what is centerfire ammo?

Any cartridge that has a primer in the center as opposed to rimfire ammo. Yes your mini-14 would have been effected.

[WorkingClassFilth]

The primer is centered in the base of the case. Rimfire is not.

[deport]

Look at the back of your ammo..... where the firing pin strikes the ammo.... center or rim

[demlosers]

but what is centerfire ammo?

See the circle(cup) in the center of the cartridge:

[Centurion2000]

I hate to demonstrate my ignorance for all to see, but what is centerfire ammo?

Centerfire ammunition is any ammunition that uses a percussion cap in the base of the shell/cartridge casing to ignite the powder. This allows you to pop out the percussion cap and use the casing over when you reload ammunition. Pretty much 98% of all rifle ammunition and any pistol ammunition above .22 caliber with few exceptions.

The other type of cartridge ammo is called rimfire because there there is no percussion cap in the center. .22 Long Rifle and .22 Short are the biggest sellers in rimfire ammo. You also cannot easily reload this ammunition.

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[xsysmgr]

I hate to demonstrate my ignorance for all to see, but what is centerfire ammo?

Centerfire ammo is ammo which fires when it is struck in the center by a firing pin (all modern ammo except .22's) as opposed to rimfire ammo which fires when it is struck on the rim by the firing pin (no modern ammo except .22's). Your Mini-14 is centerfire.

[Dan from Michigan]

Tough to explain, except that it's almost all ammo outside a 'rimfire .22'. All ammo where the primer is hit in the center.

That includes the mini-14, as well as a .30-30 Winchester, AK-47 ammo, the .308, .30-06, .243, 9mm, 10mm, 8mm, .243, .357, .300 win mag.....and on and on and on.

[Dog Gone]

Thanks everyone!

Your Mini-14 is centerfire.

Every gun in my house is centerfire except for my son's plinker .22 rifle. Gosh, I suppose my shotguns are also, and I wasn't even counting them.

[demlosers]

I suppose my shotguns are also

Yup...

[HBAR223]

Just to celebrate, I think I'll order some more.

[Doctor Raoul]

Give McCain a pink tutu and let him do a Jeffords.

[mystery-ak]

According to Kerry, his voting record is sacrosanct and not an issue in this election...all that matter is that he's a VN hero.

[RightthinkinAmerican]

Basically, you'd be allowed to keep your .22 - then when all criminals had was .22's and the statistics showed that .22's caused all the injuries, they'd take them too.

[GhostofWCooper]

"In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers."

These are the most commonly available calibers in law enforcement and the military, and the type most patriots will want to keep. Ammo for other rifles might become scarce.

[RightthinkinAmerican]

The way they'd slip it by is to stop the manufacture of new ammo. That way it wouldn't be an outright confiscation, and people would think "Oh well, I have quite a bit of ammo in supply." A false sense of security. Then, it would slowly dwindle until you had none left, or it was so "stale" that it was worthless. Now you're unarmed.

[Cobra64]

I own 7 guns, including a mini-14 that would have been effected by this amendment, but what makes its ammo "centerfire"?

If ya don't know, you should probably sell the hardware. Two types of primers. Rimfire, as in a .22, which is struck by a firing pin on the edge of the cartridge case; and cannot be reloaded. Or a centerfire primer which is struck by a firing pin in the center of the cartridge case. Hence the expression "rimfire or centerfire."

[Dog Gone]

Thanks for the info, but I'm not selling. I thought Kennedy was singling out some special ammo for this amendment. In fact, he was singling out virtually all ammo.

[chainsaw]

The 7.62 is a .32 cal. projecile.

[GhostofWCooper]

7.62 is .30 caliber. As in .30-06, .308, 300 magnum, etc.

[Beelzebubba]

7.62 is .30 caliber. As in .30-06, .308, 300 magnum, etc.

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And the ubiquitous 7.62x51mm NATO caliber is essentially indentical and fully interchangeable with the the classic .308 Winchester civilian cartridge.

[GhostofWCooper]

Yep.

It's a shortened .30-06, which was developed to cycle faster in automatic rifles, and to allow the use of shorter bolt actions.

I prefer the '.06, but it's about obsolete in combat arms.

[alaskanfan]

Time to buy that new Dillon press. I've been it putting off for too long.

[Reactionary]

Kerry is just another gun-grabbing socialist puke.

Let's dress him up in a BATF uniform and have him set fire to the Constitution.

[jaz.357]

YEA-Clinton (D-NY)......

Because she likes RIM FIRE over centerfire?

[glock rocks]

Kerry took a break from campaigning on the most important campaign day of the year to fly in a rush to DC to vote:

a) For the AWB renewal;

b) For ending gun shows as we know them; and

c) For a ban on most/all centerfire rifle ammo.

no, J F'n K flew in to help shitcan tort reform on gun manufacturers.

[Standing Wolf]

Dukakis.

[TigersEye]

In fact, he was singling out virtually all ammo.

Well not all ammo. Just centerfire rifle ammo. Your shotgun and pistol ammo would be safe. ... From that bill anyway.

[Dog Gone]

I don't think handgun ammo was exempted from the amendment. Not from the link posted at the top of this thread, anyway.

[TigersEye]

no, J F'n K flew in to help shitcan tort reform on gun manufacturers.

I'm sure you are quite right about his true motivations (can anyone say 'trial lawyer campaign cash?') but it would still be true and fair to say 'Kerry voted for the Kennedy .30-30 Win. ban.'

[TigersEye]

I didn't read the Kennedy amendment. I just assumed that any so-called AP ammo would have to at least pierce body-armor. Most pistol ammo won't. Some pistols shoot high power rifle ammo.

[plain talk]

I'll ask the obvious question that so far no one has volunteered an explanation for. I understand its a ploy to grab guns etc But what I want to understand is the public rationale for which they were attempting to sell this ban of "centerfire" ammo.

[unspun]

Dear Mr. Kerry,
Say "goodbye" to the following Gore states:
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Missouri, Iowa.
Maybe Michigan and Main, too.
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