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Homosexuality and the Corruption of a Culture
California Republic.org ^ | 02/27/04 | John Mark Reynolds

Posted on 03/03/2004 11:22:00 AM PST by AreaMan

Contributors John Mark Reynolds- Contributor

John Mark Reynolds is the founder and director of the Torrey Honors Institute, and Associate Professor of Philosophy, at Biola University.

Homosexuality and the Corruption of a Culture San Francisco is only the beginning... [John Mark Reynolds] 2/24/04

“Traditional marriage is hard to defend. Why shouldn’t two people in love be allowed to get married? Aren’t we small government conservatives interested in maximizing liberty? Isn’t this just another civil rights struggle?”

The people asking these questions then propose an alternative reality. In this reality, children do not need fathers and mothers. We are told to imagine a libertarian paradise: small government that stayed out of our front and back pockets. Sexuality is deemed a private act, mainly centered in pleasure. Character is not formed by sexual action. This paradise will come to pass only if the law is defied and marriage is redefined.

As long ago as Plato, such utopian dreaming was evident as folly. The most important public act my wife and I have performed is to leave our nation four healthy, thriving children. Raising such children demands great sacrifice of time and treasure. For the nation to sustain itself, it must encourage such labor. To fantasize that anything other than a husband and wife will have the significant number of multiple births per couple a culture needs is to deny reality. Only a man and a woman can make a child without resorting to the expensive, and morally questionable, baby boutiques where homosexual couples can purchase their single designer baby.

In any case, it is difficult to see how it can be good for a child, overwhelmingly likely to be sexually normal, to be raised in a same-sex household. The transition to sexual maturity is difficult enough for most young adults without the added pain of being raised by persons who define themselves by their sexual proclivities.

Even if performed in private, sexuality is a profoundly public act, as San Francisco is once again proving. It is also one of the most powerful human impulses. It can elevate or corrupt men and women. Sexuality can turn into a trap or it can be a great blessing. The time consumed by millions of men on pornography saps the productivity of the nation while producing nothing, not even much pleasure in the end. Regulation of sexuality has been the cornerstone of every free society. Why? Free societies depend on the self-regulation of free men and women to allow government to remain small. Sexuality shapes men and women at a very basic level. Deviant sexuality produces character in need of social intervention and care. Big state governments and over regulation are not found in Alabama, but are found in San Francisco.

This explains in part why nations with “advanced” views of sexuality have become welfare states. Infantile adults who spend large amounts of time building their lives around their sexual preferences (whether biological or homosexual) will never make the time to grow up. Sexual libertines can never have full political liberty. Of course, regulation of sexuality by itself does not lead to liberty or Moslem societies would all be free. Sexual restraint is a vital, necessary, but not sufficient characteristic of free men and women.

A sign of a dysfunctional society is when one is asked to prove the obvious. Homosexuality is not natural. Sexual relations, and the body parts that go with them, are designed for reproduction and for pleasure. The two functions are joined. Males and females are quite literally made for each other. Any other form of sexuality is deviant in the sense that it is not natural, not part of God’s design plan for human beings. Humans are bi-sexual.

The usual response to this obvious fact is for someone to claim that biological sex is not natural to them. They are attracted to people of the same sex. However, this proves nothing. “Natural” is not determined by the inclinations of individuals, but by the obvious design plan placed in human beings by their creator. Homosexuality defies this design plan and is a sad deviation from it leading, as most deviations for design do, to a reproductive dead end. Such persons should be left alone, if they do not wish to be helped, but they should not receive social approval for their vice. There is no societal good to be gained from approving of actions that have no future.

But isn’t homosexuality harmless? How could we measure such harm? Studies on this topic are fraught with bias and political motivation. No matter what the result the study receives more scrutiny and critical attention than would be the case in normal science. However, there does seem to be some evidence that homosexuality is not good for most persons involved in it. (http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/homosexuality/maf/a0028248.cfm) Unlike race or ethnicity, homosexuality is defined by a behavior or a desire for a behavior. Therefore, outside of sexual expressions it seems incapable of producing any unique culture.

Of course, at the moment no one is talking about making wicked sexual practices illegal in California. There is an argument to be made for laws against adultery and public homosexual practice, but this is not what is at stake in California. California is being asked to confer benefits on homosexual couples. Californians are being asked to approve of homosexuality, not tolerate it. This places a much higher burden on the homosexual couple to prove why society should grant them this approval.

“Love” is usually taken as the justification for giving benefits to couples. However, “love” is not why biological couples are given benefits. In fact, if love is defined as a passion, then it is hard to see why the fact that someone loves someone else shows that it is good that they do so. It would not be hard to cite examples of “loves” that are deemed inappropriate by everyone, including the homosexual activist. Great crimes, as well as great goods, have been done in the name of love.

The state has no reason to give benefits to people in love as love does no societal work. In the end, it will be biological couples that will carry the great burden of securing the future of California and civil marriage benefits are designed to help them do so. Nothing stops homosexual couples from getting religious marriages, by far more meaningful, if they desire to join a church that allows them. In fact, this already happens. Most of the benefits of “couples” most pushed for by homosexual couples, such as hospital visitation rights, should be granted on grounds other than the relationship in question. For example, hospitals have for too long been insensitive to patient needs and wants. A signed card giving permission for hospital visitation in the event of emergency to anyone chosen by the cardholder would alleviate such concerns. State marriage is not necessary.

A lack of natural desires, in fact deviant desires, in a person in one area may not lead to deviant desires in any other area. Persecution of people burdened with the sterile love of homosexuality is not conducive to their healing. However, giving public approval to it is even more unlikely to help. This is as true of “special rights” as of the sanction of marriage.

Giving “homosexuals’ protected status, and marriage rights, under the law will prove impossible. Homosexual activists must prevent themselves from being defined by their sexual actions. Therefore, many have argued that they “are homosexual” in the same way people are male or female. Homosexuality is not something one does, but that one “is.” Only then can their status even remotely be compared to race or ethnicity. People may even engage in biologically normal sexuality and still be “repressed homosexuals.”

However, this means that anyone can simply declare that they are homosexual, marry anyone else, and gain the rights of marriage and protected legal status. One need not engage in homosexual behaviors, in fact would could never have homosex, and still declare oneself to be “homosexual.” Homosexuals make a great point that one cannot “pick out” a homosexual person by external factors (as one can with race). What if every person in California opposed to protected status for homosexuals simply began to declare on state forms that they were homosexuals? How would a court determine that they were not, in fact, homosexuals? If two men wanted to “marry” to protect the other from testifying about a business partnership in which they were engaged, then how could the court determine if their marriage was a sham? Sex as a test is out, or homosexuality is reduced to what iis, a behavior. The state will accept the declared sexuality of the partners. Gay marriage and protected status for homosexuals depends on the questionable notion that non-homosexuals will not think of such tricks.

Usually, at this point, some hapless soul brings up laws forbidding interracial marriage in the United States. These laws were always unnatural. The very arguments I have been using show this to be the case. The biology of persons of color is not different in any relevant manner to that of Caucasians. Unlike “male” and “female” the distinctions between races were arbitrary and artificial. However, the very internal and genetic structure of men and women are different. Here is no small basis on which to reasonably discriminate.

Finally, religion is also not a private thing. Traditional religions like Christianity claim to know things, to be knowledge traditions. This means that they make assertions about reality that can be tested.

Christianity claims to have heard from God. One may reject these claims, but should do so only with study and care in the same manner that one would choose to reject the authority of scientists when they proclaim in their areas of specialization.

Ethics is uniquely unfit for science to determine “right and wrong.” Just because humans want to do a thing, and can do it, does not mean they should. The end of human action is hard for humans, mixed up in the passion of it, to see. Human behavior is not easy to study. Science has made certain proclamations that things are “harmless” or “bad” in the past. Scientist who posture in public on this issue are talking outside their area of expertise. Priests and pastors are not.

If God who made humans has spoken to us, then this knowledge would be invaluable. Christianity has always taught that homosexual relations are sinful. Is Christianity really hearing from God on this issue? (Since traditional Judaism and Islam agree, with almost all the other world religions on homosexuality, the question is of more than parochial importance.)

If Christianity is true, then God views homosexuality as wicked. He judges wicked nations as well as wicked men. For a nation to allow private wickedness is one thing. For it to call it good and reward it is another. It may be old fashioned to say it, but America runs the risk of falling under the wrath of God.

To what end? The couples being married in San Francisco do not look to be underfed or oppressed. Unlike poor Judge Roy Moore who tried to place the Ten Commandments in the courthouse in Alabama, the mayor of San Francisco does not face impeachment for defying the law. Then why press on an unwilling state, homosexual marriage? And do not be deceived. The demands will not end there. Soon religious colleges will lose the right to student money for their students, if they do not approve of homosexuality. Canada demonstrates that even in the pulpit, traditional religious teachings will not be safe. Anti- homosexual “rights” will not long be tolerated, but will soon be officially proclaimed as evil in public school textbooks. The sad case of the Anglican Church shows the steps clearly. The process is all too familiar to those who have seen their own church fall to the spirit of our age. First, Californians are asked to tolerate the homosexualist. Second, they are cajoled into muting condemnation of what once had been wrong. Finally, they are forced, even in their own institutions, to applaud homosexuality. The love that used to dare not speak its name will now force all of us to talk about it ceaselessly and with politically enforced care. Soon all California will be shaped after the pattern of San Francisco. The left will prosper and the right decline. Libertarians obsessed with simplistic slogans and thinking will approve at first from their fringe, but look in terror as the nanny state grows as it always does. They will not have meant to do so, but the libertarians will have delivered California to the libertines. All so that a small, wealthy, but influential segment of the California public can still for a moment their own consciences and defy nature and nature’s God.

copyright 2004 John Mark Reynolds


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; homosexuality; marriage; prisoners; ruleoflaw
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1 posted on 03/03/2004 11:22:01 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan
Great article! And it's very accurate in noting that sexually libertine nations become bloated welfare states.
2 posted on 03/03/2004 11:35:50 AM PST by puroresu
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To: AreaMan
The most important public act my wife and I have performed is to leave our nation four healthy, thriving children.

Do it for the Fatherland, fraulein!

3 posted on 03/03/2004 11:39:20 AM PST by steve-b
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To: AreaMan
He has constructed a logical discourse on the corruption of homosexuality, but few will change their thinking as a result.
4 posted on 03/03/2004 11:39:41 AM PST by rj45mis
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To: AreaMan; little jeremiah; EdReform
Bump and ping.

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5 posted on 03/03/2004 11:44:57 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: AreaMan
But isn’t homosexuality harmless?

Sure! It is just coincidence that homosexuals commit suicide at a far greater rate than heterosexuals. It is just coincidence that homosexuals are much more likely to use illegal drugs and overdose than heterosexuals. It is also just a coincidence that they get AIDS, STD's, hepatitis, and many other diseases at many times the rate of heterosexuals. And it is just coincidence that they tend to have much shorter life spans than heterosexuals.

6 posted on 03/03/2004 11:48:09 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: steve-b
Or at least practice at it ;^)
7 posted on 03/03/2004 11:48:47 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: AreaMan
"Californians are being asked to approve of homosexuality, not tolerate it."

We all are...and this is one of the keys to this issue. We have gone way beyond being asked to tolerate homosexuality: We are now being asked to accept it. This is an effort at validation, so they not only feel better about themselves, but so they can also silence anyone who may disagree with them.
9 posted on 03/03/2004 11:49:07 AM PST by cwb (Kerry may have saved one man but he abandoned thousands of others)
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To: AreaMan
The love that used to dare not speak its name will now force all of us to talk about it ceaselessly and with politically enforced care. Soon all California will be shaped after the pattern of San Francisco. The left will prosper and the right decline. Libertarians obsessed with simplistic slogans and thinking will approve at first from their fringe, but look in terror as the nanny state grows as it always does. They will not have meant to do so, but the libertarians will have delivered California to the libertines. All so that a small, wealthy, but influential segment of the California public can still for a moment their own consciences and defy nature and nature’s God.

Well done!

10 posted on 03/03/2004 11:50:44 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: AreaMan
Soon religious colleges will lose the right to student money for their students

Once the money is correctly identified (as the taxpayers' money), it becomes evident that they never had any such "right" -- and indeed ought to adamantly reject any assertion of such a supposed "right" as a blatant violation of one of the Ten Commandments.

11 posted on 03/03/2004 11:51:12 AM PST by steve-b
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To: AreaMan
Since this is the Philosophy section, I have philosophical questions. The ontology underlying this post seems to be one of Two Worlds. The epistemology is a combination of faith and appeal to reason. The ethics is altruistic: Do the right thing for the sake of society. The politics is not republican, but statist: The state should regulate social behavior for the good of Society, rather than concentrate exclusively on protecting individual rights from aggression and fraud. I question the article's conclusions, because I reject the underlying philosophy.
12 posted on 03/03/2004 11:56:22 AM PST by BurgessLau (www.aristotleadventure.com)
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To: AreaMan
Queers don't procreate; queers recruit.
13 posted on 03/03/2004 12:04:58 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: BurgessLau
Worse than that, it's downright incoherent in the way it entangles the concepts of "state" and "society" like the tentacles at an octopus orgy. I'm not sure whether this is an inadvertent result of sloppy thinking or a deliberate attempt to obfuscate advocacy of Platonic totalitarianism.
14 posted on 03/03/2004 12:06:45 PM PST by steve-b
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To: AreaMan
Libertarians obsessed with simplistic slogans and thinking will approve at first from their fringe, but look in terror as the nanny state grows as it always does.

LOL! I guess every cloud can have a silver lining.

It is amazing how some people who claim to love our Republic have nothing but disdain for the moral traditions that not only allowed it to come into existence but to continue to exist until now. And the fools expect us to stand idly by while they destroy it all.

15 posted on 03/03/2004 12:10:57 PM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

This looks to be a very good read, I have to save it until later :-(

Let me know if you want on or off this (very) busy ping list.
16 posted on 03/03/2004 12:13:47 PM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: BurgessLau
Clearly, you've made a logical error in equating society with the state and you attempt to use them as interchangeable concepts when they are, in fact, quite different.

The state is expected to support society and the moral traditions that allow it to exist. The left want the state to destroy those myriad aspects of the society that they do not like, never realizing they are opening the door to anarchy....with the exception of those who do realize it but are stupid enough to think this would be desirable.
17 posted on 03/03/2004 12:15:21 PM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: FormerLib
you've made a logical error in equating society with the state

Er, BurgessLau didn't write the article. Somebody named "John Mark Reynolds" did. Take it up with him.

18 posted on 03/03/2004 12:17:10 PM PST by steve-b
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To: AreaMan
Cross-link:

-A Gay ( or not! ) Old Time- GM links--

19 posted on 03/03/2004 12:20:51 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: AreaMan; onyx; Tamsey
Bookmarked

Wonderful, thoughtful arguments.
Well-stated and classy.

"There is no societal good to be gained from approving actions that have no future."

"Unlike race or ethnicity, homosexuality is defined by a behavior or desire for a behavior. "

Like someone said on a recent thread (I'm so sorry not to rember who):

"Homosexuality is not a life style. It's a death style."

20 posted on 03/03/2004 12:23:08 PM PST by b9
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To: Libertina; CyberCowboy777; Eala
Ping!
21 posted on 03/03/2004 12:36:14 PM PST by SW6906
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To: SW6906
Thanks.

even in the pulpit, traditional religious teachings will not be safe.

We're getting close to that, I fear.

22 posted on 03/03/2004 12:46:33 PM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: FormerLib
Individual and governmental morality (which means politics) should be based on a philosophy of reason -- not on fideism, Biblicism, traditionalism, dictation by the majority ("democracy"), consensus (majoritarianism), pragmatism, or multiculturalist averaging. On the issue of "gay marriage" my position is this: I see no justification for government getting involved in *any* marriages -- homosexual or heterosexual. To do so is socialism. The state's only function here should be to adjudicate contract disputes in case of dissolution.
23 posted on 03/03/2004 12:52:46 PM PST by BurgessLau (www.aristotleadventure.com)
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To: scripter
Bump


An excerpt from "Culture of Vice"

"The homosexual cause has moved naturally from a plea for tolerance to cultural conquest. As Robert Reilly notes a society can withstand any number of person who try to advance their own moral disorders as public policy. But it cannot survive once it adopts the justifications for whose moral disorders as its own. This is what is at stake in the culture war...

The homosexual movement's rationalization is far more widely advanced in its claims. According to Jeffrey Levi, former executive director for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, “We (homosexuals)_ are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a right to protection from wrong. We have a right - as heterosexuals have already - to see government and society affirm our lives.” Since only the act of sodomy differentiates an active homosexual from a heterosexual, homosexuals want “government and society” to affirm that sodomy is morally equivalent to the marital act. “Coming out of the closet” can only mean an assent on the level of moral principle to what would otherwise be considered morally disordered....


The Stamp of Normality

The American Child After Same-Sex Marriage

What "Gay" Marriage Will Mean for our Children

24 posted on 03/03/2004 12:58:19 PM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: BurgessLau
"I see no justification for government getting involved in *any* marriages -- homosexual or heterosexual. To do so is socialism."

If this were the case, who or what enforces the laws that hold in check the destructive behaviors of a depraved society?
25 posted on 03/03/2004 1:22:14 PM PST by rj45mis
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To: BurgessLau
"Individual and governmental morality (which means politics) should be based on a philosophy of reason -- not on fideism, Biblicism, traditionalism, dictation by the majority ("democracy"), consensus (majoritarianism), pragmatism, or multiculturalist averaging."

I disagree. Individual morality is not based on politics, rather, politics is based on morality. If God-fearing individuals relied on a philosophy of reason (as you suggest) we would, of all people, to be pitied. You are speaking from a secularistic mindset and it doesn't match up with Scriptures.
26 posted on 03/03/2004 1:30:12 PM PST by rj45mis
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To: BurgessLau
Do you believe government should protect children?
27 posted on 03/03/2004 1:30:33 PM PST by b9
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To: BurgessLau; steve-b; FormerLib
I question the article's conclusions, because I reject the underlying philosophy.

The articles conclusions are correct for the same reason that your reasoning is defective.

People are not robots made out of meat.

28 posted on 03/03/2004 1:31:37 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: BurgessLau
The state's only function here should be to adjudicate contract disputes in case of dissolution.

And in doing so the government courts become the enforcers of the marriage contract. Do the people have a right to decide which contracts their government courts will enforce? I say that they do; clearly you say that they do not.

29 posted on 03/03/2004 1:34:55 PM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: steve-b
I was referring to the comments made by BurgessLau, not the article by John Mark Reynolds.
30 posted on 03/03/2004 1:37:50 PM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: rj45mis
The problem arises when they confuse a secularist mindset with an American one. They are actually quite incompatible.

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports." --George Washington
31 posted on 03/03/2004 1:40:42 PM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: BurgessLau
"philosophy of reason"

That's been tried. I believe it was called the Reign of Terror.

32 posted on 03/03/2004 2:04:03 PM PST by Pietro
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To: rj45mis
He has constructed a logical discourse on the corruption of homosexuality, but few will change their thinking as a result.

Unfortunately you are right.

Ultimately I don't think people can refute the logic so they chafe at the moral reasoning. People just don't like being told how to behave even if the rules come from God.

33 posted on 03/03/2004 2:06:29 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan
I have to admit that after reading this article I, for the first time, wondered: Other than moral implications, what really changes if gays are permitted to marry?
34 posted on 03/03/2004 2:07:45 PM PST by imfleck
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To: imfleck
Other than moral implications, what really changes if gays are permitted to marry?

The definition of marriage as understood and passed down to me by my parents, grandparents, great-grandparents...etc.,etc.,etc.

35 posted on 03/03/2004 2:22:14 PM PST by kanawa (Nine times out of ten....trepidation leads to jubilation)
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To: imfleck
"Other than moral implications, what really changes if gays are permitted to marry?"

Other than "light", what defines sunshine?
Other than "harmony", what defines music?
Other than "truth", what defines honesty?

Other than "gravity", what holds the world in place?
What kind of a universe do you live in?

36 posted on 03/03/2004 2:25:40 PM PST by b9
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To: AreaMan
You really need to take a look at this comic and think about where your priorities should be directed: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1089897/posts
37 posted on 03/03/2004 2:27:04 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: imfleck
Other than moral implications, what really changes if gays are permitted to marry?

I can sympathize with that. But bear in mind all of our laws utlimately relate to the common good. Homosexuality is destructive to the common good.

For example, I don't want to live in a society where homosexuality is outlawed but neither do I want to live in one where I am forced to call it equal to heterosexuality.

In other words I can tolerate homosexuality just don't promote it or make me promote it.

One more thing.
Saying ,"...other than moral implications..." about something that affects family and society, is like saying what's wrong with jumping off a cliff "other than the abrupt stop at the end"

38 posted on 03/03/2004 2:28:03 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan
One more thing. Saying ,"...other than moral implications..." about something that affects family and society, is like saying what's wrong with jumping off a cliff "other than the abrupt stop at the end"

worth boldly repeating

39 posted on 03/03/2004 2:33:43 PM PST by b9
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To: Paul C. Jesup
You really need to take a look at this comic and think about where your priorities should be directed

Yes, I've seen it. Witty but deceptive.

You know, I thought Libertines, Automatons (aka Autonomists), and those that regard Christianity as a tribal superstition were great devotees of Heinlein.

Wasn't it Heinlein that wrote in one of his books, through his character, that,
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -- Lazarus Long

We can handle the Persians AND the radical left. We are multitaskers, not insects.

40 posted on 03/03/2004 2:37:02 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: Motherbear
Within twenty years--possibly ten--religious persons who oppose homosexuality will be looked upon as white supremists. It probably won't be illegal as in Canada, but Christians will be marginalized and on the fringes of society.

Doubt it. Homosexuality will always carry with it the biological revulsion it warrants. Even cultured pagans look at the assembly of sickos on the San Francisco court steps as freaks. That's not going to change.
41 posted on 03/03/2004 2:37:20 PM PST by farmer18th
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To: doodlelady
worth boldly repeating

Even a blind pig stumbles upon a truffle now and then.

42 posted on 03/03/2004 2:38:32 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: Motherbear
Within twenty years--possibly ten--religious persons who oppose homosexuality will be looked upon as white supremists. It probably won't be illegal as in Canada, but Christians will be marginalized and on the fringes of society.

If we as a people don't turn from our wickedness, this will become reality, Motherbear. The threat of another civil war looms large on the horizon.

43 posted on 03/03/2004 2:42:16 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It is not , however, coincidence that they expect other people to pay for a lifestyle that results in such elevated physical and mental problems.
44 posted on 03/03/2004 2:45:27 PM PST by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
You really need to take a look at this comic and think about where your priorities should be directed:

If our priorities were properly "directed", NONE of this would be happening, Clinton would never have been elected...TWICE...and activist judges would not be tolerated.

People are finally waking up. Maybe it's too late. I don't care which alarm is finally ringing loudly enough, but it's great to see that folks have HAD it with terrorists of every ilk, at home and abroad.

45 posted on 03/03/2004 2:47:02 PM PST by b9
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To: AreaMan
And do not be deceived. The demands will not end there. Soon religious colleges will lose the right to student money for their students, if they do not approve of homosexuality. Canada demonstrates that even in the pulpit, traditional religious teachings will not be safe. Anti- homosexual “rights” will not long be tolerated, but will soon be officially proclaimed as evil in public school textbooks. The sad case of the Anglican Church shows the steps clearly.L

I think it's worse that that. The rebellion that manifests itself as homosexuality will seek other forms once homosexuality is normalized. Prostitution, beastiality, Pedophilia, Polygamy will follow. Eventually, even the German sicko who ate the person he met from the internet will be celebrated and his activity will be normalized.

46 posted on 03/03/2004 2:48:45 PM PST by DannyTN
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And do not be deceived. The demands will not end there.

Maybe I should re-post that thing on Necrophilia?

47 posted on 03/03/2004 2:53:04 PM PST by AreaMan
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We can handle the Persians AND the radical left. We are multitaskers, not insects.

Again, the best! LOL

and it ain't no truffle, neither!

48 posted on 03/03/2004 2:55:05 PM PST by b9
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BTTT
49 posted on 03/03/2004 3:09:51 PM PST by SW6906
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Soon religious colleges will lose the right to student money for their students, if they do not approve of homosexuality. Canada demonstrates that even in the pulpit, traditional religious teachings will not be safe. Anti- homosexual “rights” will not long be tolerated, but will soon be officially proclaimed as evil in public school textbooks.

I think this is the endgame. The suppression by government force of dissenting opinions on homosexual behavior. Just my opinion.

50 posted on 03/03/2004 3:31:42 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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